[css-d] Site check please - DAC
Hi *Peter, I am new member and I am still finding my feet in this forum. I happen to have a similar problem, have tried everything and even though I am just a placement student , the professional staff doesn't know how to deal with this as well. so I created this website and no matter whether I use the super sleight (generating other bugs such as no use of links, problem with google maps on location.html etc) I ended up with the google code. My problem is that even though I am using conditional coments for each version of IE it still parses the default .css style, so I can't style the page accordingly really!! here is the website link: http://kiltennel.ie.4pm.ie/index.html I would appreciate any comments or suggestions thank you in advance! * -- Calliope Georgousi BSc Multimedia Technology Design Brunel University, Uxbridge www.calliopemuse.net Tel: +353(0) 87 698 1991 skype name: calliope8 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Z-index and IE
I'm experiencing a problem with a left-hand menu that uses css to hide/display submenu items on a particular page which gives certain content items a z-index setting. The problem is corrected in Firefox by adding a higher z-index to the submenu uls. However, this does not work in IE. If someone could take a look and suggest a fix, I'd be very appreciative. Page in question: http://www2.usarice.com/~usarice/index.php?option=com_phocagalleryview=categoriesItemid=190 Site still under development with plenty left to do. :) Thanks, Denise __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Image replacement? -- link provided
Page in question: http://hank.org/image.html Question: What's the best way to move text off screen and allow a background image to still show? And done with accessibility in mind? I've been messing with this for a while today and now ask for help. ;) I have javascript that finds date input fields, adds a span element after the input so I can use a background image of a calendar icon, and then attaches an event to the span for a pop-up calendar. I'd like to have the span be something like: spanClick to select a date/span so I have some text, but move it off screen so only a calendar icon shows. Of course, it would also be best if screen readers would read the text. I don't want the javascript to add a img tag -- mostly because the javasccript is shared between applications and doesn't know the path to the image -- so I do want to use a background image via css. If I give up having any text in the span I can make it work in Firefox, but then in IE I could not get it to display the background image (even setting width). Can someone help with the markup and css? Thanks, -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from my iMutt __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] condensing css
Generally when I want borders on 3 sides of something I write:
div.className {
border-top: 0;
border-right: solid 1px #91a7b4;
border-bottom: solid 1px #91a7b4;
border-left: solid 1px #91a7b4;
}
But I'm wondering if the following is better:
div.className {
border: solid 1px #91a7b4;
border-top: 0;
}
Any opinions on this?
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Re: [css-d] condensing css
You can also do this way:
div.className {
border:solid 1px #91a7b4;
border-width:0 1px 1px 1px; /* T R B L (easily remembered as Trouble) */
}
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Subject: [css-d] condensing css
Generally when I want borders on 3 sides of something I write:
div.className {
border-top: 0;
border-right: solid 1px #91a7b4;
border-bottom: solid 1px #91a7b4;
border-left: solid 1px #91a7b4;
}
But I'm wondering if the following is better:
div.className {
border: solid 1px #91a7b4;
border-top: 0;
}
Any opinions on this?
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Re: [css-d] condensing css
About 90% of the time I do the border-top:0 method, but I have found myself using the 0 1 1 1 method as well. I don't really see anything wrong with it. Maybe in the future we'll have: border:0 1px 1px 1px solid blue; __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Pop-Outs on Leftnav Menu Only Happening in IE7
Ladies and Gentlemen, This is my first post to this forum. I have gained a lot of insight and knowledge reading your posts here, so I'm hopeful I may get some input on a problem I am having with my website. I am using a CSS/Javascript-based design for my left-nav menu, incorporating pop-out menus for lower level lists. However, the popouts (menu buttons with blue right border) are only occurring under IE7. I have done what I could to compare my code against the source site, with no obvious discrepancies. Any input that can be provided would be greatly appreciated. http://www.popcostamesa.com Many thanks. == Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Balboa Insurance Group, Inc.or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. == __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] :active with display: none
I want to make it so that an active link makes the parent element disappear. The element does disappear when I place an :active pseudo-class on the parent element to change the display to none, however the link ceases to function (i.e. - clicking on it does nothing). Working example: http://www.cssprovingground.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :active with display: none
Jack Blankenships wrote: I want to make it so that an active link makes the parent element disappear. The element does disappear when I place an :active pseudo-class on the parent element to change the display to none, however the link ceases to function (i.e. - clicking on it does nothing). Working example: http://www.cssprovingground.com First: you're killing the child so it can no longer support its parent, which is slightly different from what you describe but of course has the same effect. Only, the effect is immediate, and that makes it fail for links. The :active pseudo-class takes effect first - while the link is activated, and the link isn't followed until it has being released _after_ :active, and by then the link has disappeared and can't be followed. If Firefox you can hold a link :active for ages without anything happening. Once you release the link it will be followed. So, :active can be used to give visual cues - like changing background or similar, but not for much else. Use script for the effect you're after. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Image replacement? -- link provided
You can try the following For SEO purposes try display: none on the text span, SEO bots will take it, others wont Or you can use the text-indent property and set it to something like -2000px; OR you can set the text with a font-size1 and make the text have the same color as the background image (this is done via Alpha transparency, background: transparent or something. (dont know if the last method is viable but the other 2 have been used by me) --- Alexandru Dinulescu Web Developer (X)HTML/CSS Specialist Expert Guarantee Certified Developer XHTML: http://www.expertrating.com/transcript.asp?transcriptid=1879053 CSS : http://www.expertrating.com/transcript.asp?transcriptid=1870619 RentACoder Profile: http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/DotNet/SoftwareCoders/ShowBioInfo.aspx?lngAuthorId=6995323 MainWebsite: http://alexd.adore.ro Portofolio: http://alexd.adore.ro/project_page.php On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Page in question: http://hank.org/image.html Question: What's the best way to move text off screen and allow a background image to still show? And done with accessibility in mind? I've been messing with this for a while today and now ask for help. ;) I have javascript that finds date input fields, adds a span element after the input so I can use a background image of a calendar icon, and then attaches an event to the span for a pop-up calendar. I'd like to have the span be something like: spanClick to select a date/span so I have some text, but move it off screen so only a calendar icon shows. Of course, it would also be best if screen readers would read the text. I don't want the javascript to add a img tag -- mostly because the javasccript is shared between applications and doesn't know the path to the image -- so I do want to use a background image via css. If I give up having any text in the span I can make it work in Firefox, but then in IE I could not get it to display the background image (even setting width). Can someone help with the markup and css? Thanks, -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from my iMutt __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Standrards Compliance -fine-tuning
apologize for the cross post. I created a page (pages) for a client and they will be used mostly for SEO This is the (very simple) page: http://www.constructweb.com/seo/ It validates! - anything else that be suggested from the css/html (maybe SEO if it's not too OT) perspective that would make this page even more web standards compliant? Thanks Neal life is certain death is short ~furry lewis __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Standrards Compliance -fine-tuning
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.constructweb.com/seo/ It validates! - anything else that be suggested from the css/html (maybe SEO if it's not too OT) perspective that would make this page even more web standards compliant? Thanks Neal As far as the Web Standards stuff is concerned: 1/ The document is valid so you're good to go on that. 2/ It uses CSS instead of tables for layout so you're good to go on that, too. 3/ Whether it is properly structured and semantically marked up-- I'll leave that to others, and the other list you posted on, to answer. 4/ Works in any Web browser. Hmm, guess that might depend on how one defines works and exactly what means by any. As far as what works my opinion is, your page should: -- make sense with css disabled -- not let the header links become hidden from view with font-scaling. -- not allow heading h1 to become hidden from view with font-scaling. -- not set primary content less than user default -- make sense with images disabled -- A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :active with display: none
How does that kill the child? If the link has display: none, why does that have any effect whatsoever on the clickability or the link or the resulting action? Doesn't display none simply not show it on the page but allow it to exist in the DOM? On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Blankenships wrote: I want to make it so that an active link makes the parent element disappear. The element does disappear when I place an :active pseudo-class on the parent element to change the display to none, however the link ceases to function (i.e. - clicking on it does nothing). Working example: http://www.cssprovingground.com First: you're killing the child so it can no longer support its parent, which is slightly different from what you describe but of course has the same effect. Only, the effect is immediate, and that makes it fail for links. The :active pseudo-class takes effect first - while the link is activated, and the link isn't followed until it has being released _after_ :active, and by then the link has disappeared and can't be followed. If Firefox you can hold a link :active for ages without anything happening. Once you release the link it will be followed. So, :active can be used to give visual cues - like changing background or similar, but not for much else. Use script for the effect you're after. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Image replacement? -- link provided
Bill Moseley wrote: Question: What's the best way to move text off screen and allow a background image to still show? And done with accessibility in mind? Answer: Sorry, but from what I've seen there is no _good_ way to do this, with current standards and implementations. Your robust choices are: 1. Just leave the text on-screen. 2. Failing that, use an IMG element with ALT, since this is a widely supported technology. so I have some text, but move it off screen so only a calendar icon shows. Of course, it would also be best if screen readers would read the text. I wonder if you're conflating accessibility and screen reader access. Don't forget people with colorblindness or other visual impairments who need to use their own color settings: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#visual-audio-contrast Using your own colors typically requires background images be overridden. But nothing shifts off-screen text back into position. Not even overlaying text with an element with a background-image is robust, since user background colors may apply to that element. You can experiment with these sort of scenarios using, for example: * Windows High Contrast settings and IE7 * Firefox 3 Options (set and enforce your own colors) * Opera 9.52 View options (try the High Contrast view) background-image and position hacks don't work, but future CSS standards may include features for image replacement: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-content/#inserting3 -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :active with display: none
Jack Blankenships wrote: How does that kill the child? If the link has display: none, why does that have any effect whatsoever on the clickability or the link or the resulting action? Doesn't display none simply not show it on the page but allow it to exist in the DOM? You can no longer interact with the link since it isn't there anymore once you press the key, and no interaction means no link to follow. Browsers don't memorize dynamic actions, so the browser has no idea what caused the link to disappear - only that it is gone. To the browser that's the same as if you move the mouse-pointer away from the dropdown. You have to keep the link visible and in focus until a microsecond or so _after_ you have released the mouse-key, so that the key-release gets registered and acted upon by the browser. Only then will it follow the link. Test for yourself - without 'display: none' but with a background-color for :active state: In Firefox you can press the mouse-key and move the mouse-pointer away from the link, any link on any page, before you release the mouse-key, and see that nothing happens other than that you smear the link around on the screen a bit while pressing the key. Other browsers reacts in similar ways and only the smearing part is different. They won't follow the link unless the mouse-pointer is focused on the link the entire time until the key is released. That should make it clear enough how it works, and why you get no link-action when the link disappears on link-press with 'display: none'. You're simply not quick enough to press _and_ release the key before the link has disappeared and therefore lost focus, and there's no way you can be since the key-scan only delivers one key-state at a time and in sequence. The right key-state will always be too late. Handle the disappear but follow link with javascript, as CSS can't really help you here. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Pop-Outs on Leftnav Menu Only Happening in IE7
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:41:17 -0700, John Biggs wrote: [...] I am using a CSS/Javascript-based design for my left-nav menu, incorporating pop-out menus for lower level lists. However, the popouts (menu buttons with blue right border) are only occurring under IE7. I have done what I could to compare my code against the source site, with no obvious discrepancies. Any input that can be provided would be greatly appreciated. http://www.popcostamesa.com This HTML is invalid, and likely the cause: ul lia class=xnopress href=../ps_news.htmlPreschool/a/li ul lia href=../ps_news.htmlNews/a/li lia href=../ps_teachers.htmlTeachers/a/li lia href=../ps_calendar.htmlCalendar/a/li lia href=../ps_curriculum.htmlCurriculum/a/li /ul !-- *** close the LI here instead of before the UL *** -- lia class=xnopress href=../es_news.htmlElementary School/a/li ... lots more errors to fix as well, both markup and CSS ... Sorry. Cordially, David -- __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :active with display: none
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:39:17 -0600, Jack Blankenships wrote: How does that kill the child? If the link has display: none, why does that have any effect whatsoever on the clickability or the link or the resulting action? Doesn't display none simply not show it on the page but allow it to exist in the DOM? Yup. It's in the DOM - but not on the displayed page. Think of how you'd copy text that's positioned off left? (Or click a link that's off left, for that matter - though that's a less likely scenario.) Cordially, David -- __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] CSS Browser Hacks
I am currently using the @import browser hack for IE that i first read about here: http://annevankesteren.nl/2005/10/ie-import-hack I have grown so fond of this technique that i have thought of extending both it and @media in a new direction. If browsers were seen as a type of media you could legally write fixes for any CSS issue in a given browser. The technique would only be applied to future browsers as no current browser sees itself as a media type. THis gives CSS authors a way of applying fixes for inaccuracies or disparate CSS interpretations in the future. A main CSS file for on of my sites currently looks like this [Quote] @import url(layout.css); @import url(colour.css); @import url(fonts.css); @import url(.css) all; [/Quote] In the future it could look like this: [Quote] @import url(layout.css); @import url(colour.css); @import url(fonts.css); @import url(ie9hacks.css) ie9; @import url(ff4hacks.css) ff4; @import url(safari4hacks.css) safari4; @import url(opera10hacks.css) opera10; [/Quote] Only the relevant media files for a site would need to be included. I am asking for opinions on this idea. It looks like a good idea to me because i already use the technique, so other opinions are vital before i try to give the idea some steam with w3c or browser manufactureres. Some may say that i should be targeting layout engines direct, or versions of Gecko, Trident, Presto or Webkit. That may be the right way to go, but Chrome uses Webkit with proprietary hacks, hence i went by browser name. With regards to multiple http requests, don't forget GZip which should already be under consideration on large sites anyway: http://forumdeli.com/2-how-to-serve-pre-compressed-css-js-and-other-web-content/ With Microsoft making a serious attempt to conform to CSS standards (now), the need is reduced but there are still CSS bugs in browsers as well as diferent interpretations within the specs themselves among browser manufacturers. Also different browsers can conform to different versions of the spec. This would also allow SVG to be fed to compliant browsers as background images without programmed or .htaccess hacks. -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Z-index and IE
Denise McLaurin wrote:
I'm experiencing a problem with a left-hand menu that
uses css to hide/display submenu items on a particular
page which gives certain content items a z-index setting.
The problem is corrected in Firefox by adding a higher
z-index to the submenu uls. However, this does not
work in IE.
http://www2.usarice.com/~usarice/index.php?option=com_phocagalleryview=categoriesItemid=190
Denise, you need to raise the LI parent on hover because
the flyout is merely a child of it and so resides in the
LI stack. Unless that positioned stack is raised, no
child of that stack ca ever lie in front of a different
stack that has a higher z-index than the LI parent.
Try this new rule:
ul.menu li:hover {
z-index: 50;
}
Big John
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Re: [css-d] CSS Browser Hacks
On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Michael Adams wrote: I have grown so fond of this technique that i have thought of extending both it and @media in a new direction. If browsers were seen as a type of media you could legally write fixes for any CSS issue in a given browser. The technique would only be applied to future browsers as no current browser sees itself as a media type. THis gives CSS authors a way of applying fixes for inaccuracies or disparate CSS interpretations in the future. ... In the future it could look like this: [Quote] @import url(layout.css); @import url(colour.css); @import url(fonts.css); @import url(ie9hacks.css) ie9; @import url(ff4hacks.css) ff4; @import url(safari4hacks.css) safari4; @import url(opera10hacks.css) opera10; [/Quote] Only the relevant media files for a site would need to be included. I am asking for opinions on this idea. It looks like a good idea to me because i already use the technique, so other opinions are vital before i try to give the idea some steam with w3c or browser manufactureres. Some may say that i should be targeting layout engines direct, or versions of Gecko, Trident, Presto or Webkit. That may be the right way to go, but Chrome uses Webkit with proprietary hacks, hence i went by browser name. ... This would also allow SVG to be fed to compliant browsers as background images without programmed or .htaccess hacks. You're probably on the wrong list for this. :-) You should rather submit your ideas to the CSS-WG www-style mailing list [1]. There have been various proposals on that subject like [2], [3]. Follow the links to replies, etc. Most implementators have rejected those ideas. Some -some- authors are very much in favour. Personally, as an author, I strongly dislike those ideas, I see that as completely orthogonal to the concept of standards. If those proposals ever see the light of the day, it should definitely be based on rendering engine detection (Gecko, WebKit, Presto,...) , and not vendor (Firefox, Safari, ...) detection. [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/ [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Sep/0219.html [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Oct/0112.html Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Recommended lists for Javascript, PHP, MySQL, Apache?
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