[css-d] Too much empty space in IE and one lost picture, please help

2008-11-23 Thread Paul Jung
Hello there,

Please look at http://www.poet.sk/hidveghyova/go.php/component/id/12/
Did anybody have some experience? I got to know only yesterday when a friend 
called me that he, with his IE browser, can not see this page.
I opened it in IE, and found out that the main content is after some 1000 pixel 
empty spaces, and the second photo of a book can not be displayed.
I appreciate any suggestion and help, thank you.

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Re: [css-d] Too much empty space in IE and one lost picture, please help

2008-11-23 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Paul Jung wrote:

 Please look at http://www.poet.sk/hidveghyova/go.php/component/id/12/
 Did anybody have some experience? I got to know only yesterday when a
 friend called me that he, with his IE browser, can not see this page.
 I opened it in IE, and found out that the main content is after some
 1000 pixel empty spaces, and the second photo of a book can not be
 displayed.

Using http://validator.w3.org one can see that the page has about 200 
reportable markup errors. I think it is rather hopeless to get the styling 
right before fixing at least those markup errors that can be expected to 
have impact on rendering.

To take just the first two error messages: the first one relates to

pstyle type=text/css!--.style1 #123;color: #3366FF#125;--/style

which is very obscure and surely wrong (style elements are not allowed in 
document body); the second one is about

table border=0 width=100%nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;tbodynbsp;nbsp;

which cannot be a good idea since character data inside table element but 
outside any caption or tr element, in addition to being invalid, causes 
odd effects on rendering: some browsers render such content _after_ the 
table _or_ before it.

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Re: [css-d] IE6 horizontal list height problem

2008-11-23 Thread Peter Bradley
Ysgrifennodd Gunlaug Sørtun:
 Can be fixed by applying 'hasLayout' to the right element to prevent IE
 from finishing to early, but in this case the simplest fix is to add...

 #home-navlist a {
 position: relative;
 }

 ...which makes IE collect together and stack all layers of an element
 properly and make it all visible.


Many thanks Georg, and Antonio too.  And thanks for explaining why this
happens.  I think I've met this bug before without ever knowing what it was.

Anyway, it works now.

I used the postion:relative fix in the end, for no particular reason. 
Both solutions work, as I'm sure you know.

I'm grateful to you.


Peter

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[css-d] http://validator.w3.org can not validate a page

2008-11-23 Thread Paul Jung
Hello there,



I used  http://validator.w3.org to check a page: 
http://www.europeeurope.net/index.php but it returned with such erroe:

Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 454 it contained 
one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8 (in other words, the bytes 
found are not valid values in the specified Character Encoding). Please check 
both the content of the file and the character encoding indication. 

The error was: utf8 \xE4 does not map to Unicode 



Does anybody know anything about that? Thank you!



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Re: [css-d] Too much empty space in IE and one lost picture, please help

2008-11-23 Thread David Laakso
Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
 Paul Jung wrote:

   
 Please look at http://www.poet.sk/hidveghyova/go.php/component/id/12/

 
 Using http://validator.w3.org one can see that the page has about 200 
 reportable markup errors.




In addition to what Jukka wrote, back-up your file and run it through 
Tidy On-line [1]. Tidy will point to and correct most of the errors for 
you. Correct the remaining errors manually.



[1] http://infohound.net/tidy/



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Re: [css-d] http://validator.w3.org can not validate a page

2008-11-23 Thread Michael Adams
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:23:39 +0100
Came this utterance fomulated by Paul Jung to my mailbox:

 Hello there,
 
 
 
 I used  http://validator.w3.org to check a page:
 http://www.europeeurope.net/index.php but it returned with such erroe:
 
 Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 454 it
 contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8 (in other
 words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified Character
 Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the character
 encoding indication. 
 
 The error was: utf8 \xE4 does not map to Unicode 
 
 
 
 Does anybody know anything about that? Thank you!
 

Not a CSS issue. I replied off list.

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[css-d] Tabbed Navigation System

2008-11-23 Thread yahoo
Hello,

I'm working on a project for a customer, and I'm stumped on a CSS  
issue.  We have a tabbed navigation system for the backend of a  
shopping cart.  You can see it here:

http://www.surfshopcart.com/cgi-bin/demos/demo1/admin.cgi

username: demo
password: demo

(Look for the tabnav code)

I'd like to find a way to highlight the current tab.  Example: if a  
user is on the products page, I want the Products tab to be a  
different color so that they know at a glance which page they're on.

I thought :focus would do the job, but it doesn't.  Is this not  
possible with CSS?  If not, what would I need to use?  Any help would  
be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Frank
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Re: [css-d] http://validator.w3.org can not validate a page

2008-11-23 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Paul Jung wrote:

 I used  http://validator.w3.org to check a page:
 http://www.europeeurope.net/index.php but it returned with such
 erroe:

 Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 454 it
 contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8

This has nothing to do with CSS. Please check the www-validator page for the 
discussion list on it and its archives (the error message you got is 
misleading, but there's been a recent discussion that may clarify). In fact 
the problem is at the character level: the data is not in the declared 
encoding - in this case, it is purported to be UTF-8 encoded but contains 
byte sequences that must not appear in UTF-8.

ObCSS: A similar problem may arise with a CSS file, though this is much less 
common. If you suspect that your file (whether HTML, CSS, plain text, or 
something else) that you expect to be UTF-8 encoded has encoding errors, you 
might download and install e.g. the BabelPad editor, then open the file with 
it. It seems say File opened with errors, and it will report the lines 
that have character-level data errors, when you select Tools/Document 
analysis (or press F7). There may well be editors that do such reporting 
much better.

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Re: [css-d] Tabbed Navigation System

2008-11-23 Thread David Laakso
yahoo wrote:
 Hello,

 http://www.surfshopcart.com/cgi-bin/demos/demo1/admin.cgi


   I'd like to find a way to highlight the current tab.
 Frank

   



You might try this:

Assign a different body id or class to each page.
body class=f01
And assign a body id or class to each link .
ul
lia class=f01 fz01 href=#Portfolio/a/li
lia class=f02 fz02 href=#About/a/li
lia class=f03 fz03 href=#Web Standards/a/li
lia class=f04 fz04 href=#Resources/a/li
lia class=f05 fz05 href=VPlaypen/a/li
/ul

body.f01 a.fz01,
body.f02 a.fz02,
body.f03 a.fz03,
body.f04 a.fz04,
body.f05 a.fz05,
{color: fuchsia;font-weight:bold;}







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Re: [css-d] Lists, margins, padding in IE

2008-11-23 Thread Mustafa Quilon
Oh! It definitely took me some time figuring that out :)

Unfortunately, IE still is using either expanded padding or margins for the
 list items, but I can deal with that.  It looks better, at least.


It is not a padding or margin issue:

#sidebar ul #statistics ul li {
line-height: 1.2; - ::Add This(Use your own value)::
}

You'll find a lot of discussion on line-height in the archive.


[...]

What are you using to determine how IE parses the styling?


I use the Internet Explorer Developer Toolbar[1]. I don't find it very
intuitive, however, it is very helpful in determining the parsed styles.
Make sure you read the instructions.

I use Firebug all the time. Mostly, I use it to learn how the best
websites are constructed.

David Hucklesby wrote:

 I use the IE Debug Bar:

 http://www.debugbar.com/


Thanks, will try it too.



[1] -
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=E59C3964-672D-4511-BB3E-2D5E1DB91038


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[css-d] Can't put #8220; in a blockquote?

2008-11-23 Thread Peter Bradley
I have some HTML that looks like this:

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;

html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
head
meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html;
charset=utf-8 /
titleSpanish Intensive - Feedback/title
!-- stylesheet reference goes here --
link rel=stylesheet type=text/css
href=styles/spanishIntensives.css /
!--[if lt IE 7]
style
/* for IE/6 - to prevent double-spacing of leftnav list items*/
#leftnav ul li a {  
height : 0;
}
#leftnav {
margin-top: 2em;
}
/style
![endif]--
/head
body
div id=header
img id=logo src=images/Logo-SI-BIG4b.jpg alt=Spanish
Intensives logo title=Spanish Intensives /
/div
div id=main
h1
 Feedback
/h1
h4
 Here are some comments from students who took our
courses in previous years:
/h4
img class=imgright src=images/Grupo-2-1.jpg
alt=Students and teachers title=Students and teachers from a previous
course by the entrance tot he Residencia /
blockquote
 #8220;I found the teaching of exceptionally high
standard.#8221;
/blockquote
blockquote
 #8220;All sessions focussed and engaging, and good
fun.#8221;
/blockquote

... and so on for 36 quotes.

When I try to validate the page, I get the following error for each
blockquote:



/Line x, Column y/: character data is not allowed here.

| #8220*;*some quoted text.#82|

You have used character data somewhere it is not permitted to appear.
Mistakes that can cause this error include:

* putting text directly in the body of the document without wrapping
  it in a container element (such as a paragraph/p), or
* forgetting to quote an attribute value (where characters such as
  % and / are common, but cannot appear without surrounding
  quotes), or
* using XHTML-style self-closing tags (such as meta ... /) in HTML
  4.01 or earlier. To fix, remove the extra slash ('/') character.
  For more information about the reasons for this, see Empty
  elements in SGML, HTML, XML, and XHTML
  http://www.cs.tut.fi/%7Ejkorpela/html/empty.html.

=

I don't understand why that is an error.  Isn't a blockquote a
container just like a p is?  Or am I missing something really simple
(again).

Cheers


Peter

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Re: [css-d] Tabbed Navigation System

2008-11-23 Thread yahoo
On Nov 23, 2008, at 6:29 AM, David Laakso wrote:

 You might try this:

 Assign a different body id or class to each page.
 body class=f01

Unfortunately, I can't do that.  The cart puts together those pages  
using one body tag, so every page would have the same body tag class.

I did try using your suggestion with div tags instead of body  
tags for the individual content sections, but it didn't work.  I even  
tried adding #tabnav to the CCS rules:

#tabnav div.f01 a.fz01

Is there something else that I could try?

Thanks,
Frank
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Re: [css-d] Can't put #8220; in a blockquote?

2008-11-23 Thread Peter Bradley
Ysgrifennodd Peter Hyde-Smith:
 Peter:

 You may need to wrap each block in a p.../p or div ... /div,
 blockquote
 p#8220;I found the teaching of exceptionally high standard.#8221;/p
 /blockquote

 Try that, and post a link if you can.

 Regards,

 Peter

Neither of those seem to work, either.

I've posted the page to:

http://www.apvx95.dsl.pipex.com/SpanishIntensives/feedback.html

You'll see that the first blockquote is contained in a p/p block
and the second in a div/div block.

Cheers


Peter

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[css-d] Table Cells Filled with Images

2008-11-23 Thread Doug Jolley
When I fill table cells with colors and set cellspacing=0,
cellpadding=0, border=0, I can get the cells to butt right up against
one another both vertically and horizontally.  However, when I fill
the same cells with an image I can't get them to butt up against one
another vertically although they do butt up against one another
horizontally.  Does anyone know why that is and what I can do about
it?  I know that I can use div elements.  I just want to know why this
doesn't work.  Thanks for any input.  BTW here's some test code I have
been playing with:


!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en
 headtitletd test/title/head
 body
  table cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 border=0
   tr
td
 img src=images/bg1.gif height=100 width=100 alt=[Image] /
/td
   /tr
   tr
td
 img src=images/bg1.gif height=100 width=100 alt=[Image] /
/td
   /tr
  /table
 /body
/html


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Re: [css-d] Can't put #8220; in a blockquote?

2008-11-23 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Peter Bradley wrote:
 Neither of those seem to work, either.
 
 I've posted the page to:
 
 http://www.apvx95.dsl.pipex.com/SpanishIntensives/feedback.html
 
 You'll see that the first blockquote is contained in a p/p block
 and the second in a div/div block.

You've got this the wrong way round. The other Peter was saying that the 
contents of the blockquote need to be wrapped in one or more block 
elements (such as p or div or ul) in XHTML 1.0 Strict. Your code, on the 
other hand, wraps the blockquote itself in a block element.

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Re: [css-d] Can't put #8220; in a blockquote?

2008-11-23 Thread Bill Brown
Peter Bradley wrote:
 Ysgrifennodd Peter Hyde-Smith:
 Peter:
 You may need to wrap each block in a p.../p or div ... /div,
 blockquote
 p#8220;I found the teaching of exceptionally high standard.#8221;/p
 /blockquote

 Neither of those seem to work, either.
 I've posted the page to:
 http://www.apvx95.dsl.pipex.com/SpanishIntensives/feedback.html
 You'll see that the first blockquote is contained in a p/p block
 and the second in a div/div block.

Peter,

You've reversed Peter's instructions:
This is wrong:
pblockquote/blockquote/p
This is correct:
blockquotep/p/blockquote

If you apply Peter's direction, I think you'll find greater success.
Hope it helps.
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Re: [css-d] Can't put #8220; in a blockquote?

2008-11-23 Thread Peter Bradley
Ysgrifennodd Bill Brown:
 You've reversed Peter's instructions:
 This is wrong:
 pblockquote/blockquote/p
 This is correct:
 blockquotep/p/blockquote

 If you apply Peter's direction, I think you'll find greater success.
 Hope it helps.
 --Bill


D'Oh!

Thanks to Peter, Benjamin and yourself.  English never was my strong point.

Cheers


Peter

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Re: [css-d] Can't put #8220; in a blockquote?

2008-11-23 Thread Bill Brown
Peter Bradley wrote:
 Thanks to Peter, Benjamin and yourself.  English never was my strong point.
 Cheers
 Peter

No worries, mate.
Here in America, the same can be said of about 90% of the 
population...and about me before my morning coffee. Glad it helped.

Stay well.
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Re: [css-d] Table Cells Filled with Images

2008-11-23 Thread Curtis Clark
On 2008-11-23 12:00, Doug Jolley wrote:
 When I fill table cells with colors and set cellspacing=0,
 cellpadding=0, border=0, I can get the cells to butt right up against
 one another both vertically and horizontally.  However, when I fill
 the same cells with an image I can't get them to butt up against one
 another vertically although they do butt up against one another
 horizontally.  Does anyone know why that is and what I can do about
 it?  I know that I can use div elements.  I just want to know why this
 doesn't work.  Thanks for any input. 

Images are by default display:inline. They sit on the baseline, which 
leaves space below for descenders. if you add

td img {display:block}

it should work.


  BTW here's some test code I have
 been playing with:
 
 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
 html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en
  headtitletd test/title/head
  body
   table cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 border=0
tr
 td
  img src=images/bg1.gif height=100 width=100 alt=[Image] /
 /td
/tr
tr
 td
  img src=images/bg1.gif height=100 width=100 alt=[Image] /
 /td
/tr
   /table
  /body
 /html
 
 
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Re: [css-d] Table Cells Filled with Images

2008-11-23 Thread Doug Jolley
 if you add

 td img {display:block}

 it should work.

It did work.  Thanks very much.

Now that I understand the basis of the problem, I was inclined to try:

td img {vertical-align: bottom}

That also seemed to work.  I'm curious as to whether you see that as
being an acceptable alternative solution.
Thanks.

... doug
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Re: [css-d] Can't put #8220; in a blockquote?

2008-11-23 Thread wlb
HI Peter,
I've been struggling with archiving lots of materials to PDF recently, and
the curly quotes get changed to straight ones consistently in the OCR—quite
maddening—so I sympathize with your plight about these small but important
details.

What you are doing looked correct to me, so I decided to do an experiment
and and made a very simple page using #8220; and #8221; entities for the
quotation marks within blockquote tags.

http://www.boletta.com/blockquote/

The HTML and CSS on my page both validate. i wonder why. I can't see any
difference between what you are doing and what my HTML does. Maybe someone
else can catch something and will tell us what is going on.

Bill Boletta
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Re: [css-d] Can't put #8220; in a blockquote?

2008-11-23 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
wlb wrote:
 The HTML and CSS on my page both validate. i wonder why. I can't see any
 difference between what you are doing and what my HTML does.

Did you read the other replies to Peter's query? I think they answer yours.

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Re: [css-d] Can't put #8220; in a blockquote?

2008-11-23 Thread Peter Hyde-Smith

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Subject: Re: [css-d] Can't put #8220; in a blockquote?


 wlb wrote:
 The HTML and CSS on my page both validate. i wonder why. I can't see any
 difference between what you are doing and what my HTML does.

 Did you read the other replies to Peter's query? I think they answer 
 yours.

 Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis


And Peter Bradley fixed his code so it validates.

Will someone please enlighten me regarding whether different browsers render 
the blockquote differently. Do some actually add in the quote marks; so if 
#8220;/#8221; entities are added, the result is a double set of quotes?

Thanks,

Peter
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Re: [css-d] Table Cells Filled with Images

2008-11-23 Thread Curtis Clark
On 2008-11-23 14:59, Doug Jolley wrote:
 Now that I understand the basis of the problem, I was inclined to try:
 
 td img {vertical-align: bottom}
 
 That also seemed to work.  I'm curious as to whether you see that as
 being an acceptable alternative solution.

In some cases, that might be superior, since you could put more that one 
image side-by-side in a cell without floating them.

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Re: [css-d] Can't put #8220; in a blockquote?

2008-11-23 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Peter Hyde-Smith wrote:
 Will someone please enlighten me regarding whether different browsers 
 render the blockquote differently. Do some actually add in the quote 
 marks;

No, none do.

In HTML4 browsers are supposed to add quotation marks for Q (inline 
quotations) not BLOCKQUOTE (quotations containing blocks). Most modern 
browsers, including IE8 Beta 2 but not including IE6 and IE7, add such 
marks to Q. But you'd likely want to adjust which marks with CSS.

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[css-d] IE Spry menu wonkiness

2008-11-23 Thread Ambient Glow
Having trouble with a DW Spry horizontal menu bar in IE:

http://ambientglow.com/garage/jfogg/inside.html
Menu CSS: 
http://ambientglow.com/garage/jfogg/SpryAssets/SpryMenuBarHorizontal.css
Page CSS: http://ambientglow.com/garage/jfogg/_css/inside.css

I have inserted background images into the li which show up on all
browsers but IE.  Also the menu itself is offset correctly from the
right side by 65px in all but IE.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks

Peg
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[css-d] Horizontal Nav Bar and IE6

2008-11-23 Thread John Sutton
Hello!

I'm having troubles with the top navigation bar at:

http://www/tenhenstudio.com

when viewed in IE6. IE7 and Firefox seem to be fine.

In IE6 the navbar renders as it should on the 'home' link, but when all the
other links are clicked the horizontal bar drops down a pixel or two.

I've been wrestling with this for a couple of days and I'm stumped.


Thank you.


John Sutton

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Re: [css-d] Tabbed Navigation System

2008-11-23 Thread David Laakso
yahoo wrote:
 On Nov 23, 2008, at 6:29 AM, David Laakso wrote:

 You might try this:

 Assign a different body id or class to each page.
 body class=f01

 Unfortunately, I can't do that.  The cart puts together those 
 pages using one body tag, so every page would have the same body tag 
 class.

 I did try using your suggestion with div tags instead of body 
 tags for the individual content sections, but it didn't work.  I even 
 tried adding #tabnav to the CCS rules:

 #tabnav div.f01 a.fz01

 Is there something else that I could try?

 Thanks,
 Frank



Dunno. Don't think so. Have you considered client-side scripting 
(off-topic for this list)?

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Re: [css-d] IE Spry menu wonkiness

2008-11-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ambient Glow wrote:

 http://ambientglow.com/garage/jfogg/inside.html

 I have inserted background images into the li which show up on all
  browsers but IE.  Also the menu itself is offset correctly from the
  right side by 65px in all but IE.

Comment out the entire HACK FOR IE you have at the bottom of
SpryMenuBarHorizontal.css, as it doesn't work as intended in IE6/7.


IE also need dimensions on the anchor - not only on :hover, so add...

ul.MenuBarHorizontal a
{
   width: 91px;
   height: 32px;
}


The script is playing tricks on you in IE, so add !important here...

ul.MenuBarHorizontal li
{
position: relative!important;
}

...and change this...

ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul.MenuBarSubmenuVisible
{
left: auto; /* --- delete this */
left: 0; /* --- new value */
}

...to make IE line up the submenu correctly.

regards
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2008-11-23 Thread extremeblk

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