Re: [css-d] Opera form problem solved; new .box problem
Kathleen R Dery wrote: All, Apparently, without div's surrounding my Contact Info label/textfield pairs, Opera wouldn't show my label float. It is solved. I just have one more concern, and I honestly do not remember if I posted it to this list: I have surrounded my lists with round-cornered boxes. The problem is that the only .box that is breaking up is on the feedback page in IE only. The other ones work fine. What is different is that I have links with bullets and external link icons in that list on that page. Someone suggested that it is a margin or padding problem, but we couldn't get his code to work. I hope someone can help. I cannot find an error. http://198.189.180.32/ma-ftp/media-arts/DMA_C111/dery/site/feedback_6.html http://198.189.180.32/ma-ftp/media-arts/DMA_C111/dery/site/main.css TIA Kathleen Hmm. Please clarify (not that I might be able to help even with clarificatio). As of this writing the rounded box is broken in every browser I looked at it in (Mac Opera, Mac FF, Google, and IE 6/7/8) on the following pages choices_3.html maitenance_ll_5.html and feedback_6.html Aside: My twisted sister, who sometimes visits me, wonders why the Maine Coon Cat is sometimes referred to as the Main Coon Cat within the content text-blocks in this page ?: anaysis_2.html Best, ~d __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Where is Eric Meyer's most recent CSS Reset
Hi everyone. This is my first post here. Can anyone please provide me with a link to Eric Meyer's most recent and updated CSS Reset. When I do a Google search, I can only really find his 2007 reset, which surely must now have been updated. A link directly to the page the reset sits on would be really helpful. Thanks very much in advance. Johnny. _ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] How can I avoid vertical scrollbar in frame?
Scrolling NO is no option too. Because, if the frame becomes really too small, the client must still be able to navigate. Why you use header, 2 columns and footer in the header. A source for this is always welcome. And yes I know, frames are outdated. But I have no choice. I (and about 50 developers) have to follow the rules. :-) I'm not the one who decides this. But, I think the scrollbar has to be caused in the third row, ...? Marie -Original Message- From: Jay Tanna [mailto:jta...@rocketmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:10 AM To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org; Demeulemeester Marie-Ange Subject: Re: [css-d] How can I avoid vertical scrollbar in frame? Have you tried changing the code to show: SCROLLING=NO As to advice to improve the site, I would strongly suggest that you use CSS with a header, two columns and footer. If you want a source for this then please tell us. I can certainly give you a very simple one to start with and this can be updated as you go along. hth --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Marie Ange marie-ange.demeulemees...@fortis.com wrote: How can I disappear this scrollbar, without using overflow hidden? === Fortis Bank disclaimer : http://www.fortisbank.com/common/disclaimer.htm Fortis Bank privacy policy: http://www.fortisbank.com/common/privacy_policy.htm === __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Is there a simple way to center in an iframe?
Alan, Yes, tried that early-on. The following code does not center the image in the iframe: a title=picture href=images/Picture%20391b.jpg target=_image img alt=picture src=images/Picture%20391b_small.jpg width=113 height=80 //a div class=center iframe frameborder=0 scrolling=auto name=_image p class=norm100 style=text-align:centerSorry, this photo cannot be displayed. Your browser does not support inline frames./p /iframe /div This works, sort of, in Firefox 3.5.5 by showing the image de-zoomed to fit in the iframe. However, clicking the image zooms and centers it in the iframe. I don't know whether that is just a Firefox feature or that the code is working. This does not center the image in IE 7.0, Google Chrome 3.0, Safari 4.0.3, or Opera 10.01. I also tried removing the other iframe parameters but there was no change. The image just pastes in at scroll position (0,0). So, I just moved on and wrote the javascript. Michael Michael, did you try my correction which is a CSS option. .center {text-align:center} div class=centeriframe/iframe/div Since an iframe is an inline element you use the same method as with other inline elements (a, img) for centering. This is by placing them in a block element, div and centering them in the block by using text-align. All three options I have given were tested and work in Firefox (gecko 1.9). -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Is there a simple way to center in an iframe?
Thanks to all for the suggestions. I'll try them and get back to you with the results. Michael - Original Message - From: Alan Gresley a...@css-class.com To: Michael Newberry m...@mirametrics.com Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [css-d] Is there a simple way to center in an iframe? Michael Newberry wrote: I'm pasting images into an iframe using a simple click on a link. The image always appears at the 0,0 scroll position inside the iframe. Is there a simple css way to center it? I've tried using text-align:center. Thanks, Michael Correction, iframe is not deprecated but it is inline. This will do the trick. .center {text-align:center} div class=centeriframe/iframe/div -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Is there a simple way to center in an iframe?
Alan, No, it is not an html question, but a css question, which is why I asked if there was a way to do this using css. In any case, I tried both of your html suggestions but neither one worked---apparently because they are html solutions that apply to the target frame, not the content of the embedded frame. I tried the various solutions at the iframe end and could not get any to work. The solution was to do what I hoped to avoid: write a short javascript function that creates the embedding document with its own stylesheet wrapped around the picture source. Maybe there is a css way or even an html way to do this without javascript, but I couldn't spend any more time experimenting. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to help. Michael - Original Message - From: Alan Gresley a...@css-class.com To: Michael Newberry m...@mirametrics.com Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [css-d] Is there a simple way to center in an iframe? Michael Newberry wrote: I'm pasting images into an iframe using a simple click on a link. The image always appears at the 0,0 scroll position inside the iframe. Is there a simple css way to center it? I've tried using text-align:center. Thanks, Michael Hello, Michael, since iframe is a deprecated inline element. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/frames.html#edef-IFRAME There are two options using depreciated elements or depreciated attributes that will work. div align=centeriframe content of iframe /iframe/div centeriframe content of iframe /iframe/center Pick your poison. BTW, this is a HTML question. I suggest that you learn these. 1. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html 2. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/attributes.html -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Background Color
Hi; I have a css menu with the following code: #menu a { color: #fff; background: #00; text-decoration: none; } Now, I've put an image in the background of this menu. I would like to get rid of the background color completely; however, if I simply delete the appropriate line, it defaults to white. Is there a way to set the alpha to 0? Some other solution? TIA, Victor __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Background Color
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com wrote: Hi; I have a css menu with the following code: #menu a { color: #fff; background: #00; text-decoration: none; } Now, I've put an image in the background of this menu. I would like to get rid of the background color completely; however, if I simply delete the appropriate line, it defaults to white. Is there a way to set the alpha to 0? Some other solution? TIA, Victor Do you have an example page? I would recommend taking a look at the parent elements and making sure their backgrounds aren't set, either. -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com Twitter: @codeacula __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Background Color
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Jack Timmons jorac...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com wrote: Hi; I have a css menu with the following code: #menu a { color: #fff; background: #00; text-decoration: none; } Now, I've put an image in the background of this menu. I would like to get rid of the background color completely; however, if I simply delete the appropriate line, it defaults to white. Is there a way to set the alpha to 0? Some other solution? TIA, Victor Do you have an example page? http://angrynates.com/nrelectric.com/index.py I would recommend taking a look at the parent elements and making sure their backgrounds aren't set, either. Couldn't see any. TIA, V __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Background Color
I would recommend taking a look at the parent elements and making sure their backgrounds aren't set, either. Couldn't see any. It's in the header of the html. #menu { width: 12em; background: #eee; } ---Tim __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Background Color
That color code threw me! Thanks, V On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Climis, Tim tcli...@indiana.edu wrote: I would recommend taking a look at the parent elements and making sure their backgrounds aren't set, either. Couldn't see any. It's in the header of the html. #menu { width: 12em; background: #eee; } ---Tim __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] styling linked headings
--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Angela French afre...@sbctc.edu wrote: I want a consistent site-wide style for the headings, but then they are not readily identifiable as links. I am looking for ideas/examples of others who have come up with a successful styling solution. The suggestions you've already received are the most obvious ways of identifying a link: if it's blue and underlined, it will be recognised as a link. The further you divert from this, the less likely your links will be recognised. Especially for headings, a border-bottom is far preferable to a text-decoration: underline since it doesn't interrupt descenders and it can be styled as a pixel-thin line. Partly, the problem is that people just aren't used to headings being linked; for your average web user, it's not a very common experience. I'd suggest that, no matter what your solution, you think about linking the copy. Not, as you rightly point out, by adding a meaningless 'More' link, but by linking relevant words/phrases, for example in: http://checkoutacollege.com/Parents/ForParents.aspx you could link the reasons community and technical colleges are the first choice under the first heading, costs of all these different college options under the second, etc. If there's no suitable word or phrase, see if you can rework the copy such that there is. - Bobby __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Font Color Problem
Hi; I have the following code: #menu { width: 12em; } #menu ul { list-style: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; } #menu a, #menu h2 { font: bold 16px/16px arial, helvetica, sans-serif; display: block; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: #ccc #888 #555 #bbb; margin: 0; padding: 2px 3px; } #menu h2 { color: #fff; background: #000; text-transform: uppercase; } #menu a { color: #000; text-decoration: none; } #menu a:hover { color: #ff0; background: #000; } #menu li { position: relative; } #menu ul ul ul { background: #000; color: #fff; position: absolute; top: 0; left: 100%; width: 100%; } I want to change the font color of the fly-out menu. You can see it here: http://angrynates.com/nrelectric.com/index.py How do? TIA, Victor __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Font Color Problem
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com wrote: Hi; I have the following code: #menu { width: 12em; } #menu ul { list-style: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; } #menu a, #menu h2 { font: bold 16px/16px arial, helvetica, sans-serif; display: block; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: #ccc #888 #555 #bbb; margin: 0; padding: 2px 3px; } #menu h2 { color: #fff; background: #000; text-transform: uppercase; } #menu a { color: #000; text-decoration: none; } #menu a:hover { color: #ff0; background: #000; } #menu li { position: relative; } #menu ul ul ul { background: #000; color: #fff; position: absolute; top: 0; left: 100%; width: 100%; } I want to change the font color of the fly-out menu. You can see it here: http://angrynates.com/nrelectric.com/index.py How do? TIA, Victor Change: #menu a { color: #000; text-decoration: none; } The color should be whatever you're looking for. To change the color it is when you scroll over, change: #menu a:hover { color: #ff0; background: #000; } I believe that's what you are looking for. -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com Twitter: @codeacula __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Font Color Problem
But if I do that, I'll change more than just the fly-out menus! I don't want to change the regular menu. Please advise. V On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Jack Timmons jorac...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com wrote: Hi; I have the following code: #menu { width: 12em; } #menu ul { list-style: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; } #menu a, #menu h2 { font: bold 16px/16px arial, helvetica, sans-serif; display: block; border-width: 0px; border-style: solid; border-color: #ccc #888 #555 #bbb; margin: 0; padding: 2px 3px; } #menu h2 { color: #fff; background: #000; text-transform: uppercase; } #menu a { color: #000; text-decoration: none; } #menu a:hover { color: #ff0; background: #000; } #menu li { position: relative; } #menu ul ul ul { background: #000; color: #fff; position: absolute; top: 0; left: 100%; width: 100%; } I want to change the font color of the fly-out menu. You can see it here: http://angrynates.com/nrelectric.com/index.py How do? TIA, Victor Change: #menu a { color: #000; text-decoration: none; } The color should be whatever you're looking for. To change the color it is when you scroll over, change: #menu a:hover { color: #ff0; background: #000; } I believe that's what you are looking for. -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com Twitter: @codeacula __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Font Color Problem
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com wrote: But if I do that, I'll change more than just the fly-out menus! I don't want to change the regular menu. Please advise. V Being more specific with the CSS selector will allow you to do so: #menu ul ul li ul li a{color: red} -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com Twitter: @codeacula __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Font Color Problem
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Jack Timmons jorac...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com wrote: But if I do that, I'll change more than just the fly-out menus! I don't want to change the regular menu. Please advise. V Being more specific with the CSS selector will allow you to do so: #menu ul ul li ul li a{color: red} Hmm. I added this and it didn't work: #menu ul ul li ul li { color: #fff; } Please take a look: http://angrynates.com/nrelectric.com/Events.py?browser=all Mouse over Services in the nav. TIA, V -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com Twitter: @codeacula __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Font Color Problem
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. I added this and it didn't work: #menu ul ul li ul li { color: #fff; } Please take a look: http://angrynates.com/nrelectric.com/Events.py?browser=all Mouse over Services in the nav. TIA, V -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com Twitter: @codeacula That is because you're missing the a to specify for the anchor tag. Otherwise, the #menu a declaration overrides any color set in the li element. #menu ul ul li ul li a { color: #fff; } -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com Twitter: @codeacula __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Font Color Problem
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Jack Timmons jorac...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. I added this and it didn't work: #menu ul ul li ul li { color: #fff; } Please take a look: http://angrynates.com/nrelectric.com/Events.py?browser=all Mouse over Services in the nav. TIA, V -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com Twitter: @codeacula That is because you're missing the a to specify for the anchor tag. Otherwise, the #menu a declaration overrides any color set in the li element. #menu ul ul li ul li a { color: #fff; } Thanks! But I thought a was for anchor. Please explain. V __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Where is Eric Meyer's most recent CSS Reset
The recent file is located here nothing has changed in web tehchnology since this file was created): http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset/ The above link allows you to either copy the code from the web or download a css file by clicking on the link provided. The way I use it is to copy and paste the entire file on top of my CSS and then modify it as I feel necessary. You could also use @ import method to import it via your own css file. Some people have different css files for different things like menu.css, navigation.css, reset.css, contents.css etc etc and all these files are imported using one main file called main.css. Hope this helps. --- On Fri, 11/13/09, John Franks johnfra...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Hi everyone. This is my first post here. Can anyone please provide me with a link to Eric Meyer's most recent and updated CSS Reset. When I do a Google search, I can only really find his 2007 reset, which surely must now have been updated. A link directly to the page the reset sits on would be really helpful. Thanks very much in advance. Johnny. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Is there a simple way to center in an iframe?
Michael Newberry wrote: I'm pasting images into an iframe using a simple click on a link. The image always appears at the 0,0 scroll position inside the iframe. Is there a simple css way to center it? I've tried using text-align:center. Thanks, Michael Correction, iframe is not deprecated but it is inline. This will do the trick. .center {text-align:center} div class=centeriframe/iframe/div -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Font Color Problem
Victor Subervi wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Jack Timmons jorac...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. I added this and it didn't work: #menu ul ul li ul li { color: #fff; } Please take a look: http://angrynates.com/nrelectric.com/Events.py?browser=all Mouse over Services in the nav. TIA, V -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com Twitter: @codeacula That is because you're missing the a to specify for the anchor tag. Otherwise, the #menu a declaration overrides any color set in the li element. #menu ul ul li ul li a { color: #fff; } Thanks! But I thought a was for anchor. Please explain. V #menu ul ul li ul li a {color: #fff; } Selects any a element that is a descendant of a li element that is a descendant of an ul element that is a descendant of a li element that is a descendant of an ul element that is a descendant of an ul element that is a descendant of any element with an id attribute that equals menu. Selectoracle comes in handy now and then for explanation of complex CSS selectors http://gallery.theopalgroup.com/selectoracle/ Best, ~d __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/