[css-d] Re : IE8, CSS 2.1 & page-break-inside: avoid problem

[Stéphane Carnot]

Hi Chris,

Sorry, i was on holidays :-)

First, thanks for your help.
But it doesn't help much.
I'm trying to use the 'page-break-inside : avoid'. The page-break-after is not 
what i'm looking for.

JYves


My test files  :
http://obaobaobao.free.fr/sample01.html
http://obaobaobao.free.fr/sample02.html
http://obaobaobao.free.fr/sample03.html


  
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Re: [css-d] Re : IE8, CSS 2.1 & page-break-inside: avoid problem

[Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)]

Stéphane Carnot wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Sorry, i was on holidays :-)
>
> First, thanks for your help.
> But it doesn't help much.
> I'm trying to use the 'page-break-inside : avoid'. The page-break-after is 
> not what i'm looking for.

OK, you have test files, but we (or at least, I)
still do not know what you are trying to achieve :-(

Which of your three demo. files demonstrates the problem ?
Where does the page break occur, if you print to A4 paper ?
Help us to help you, and more help may well be forthcoming !

Philip Taylor
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[css-d] Tests on HTML5 video and CSS

[Gabriele Romanato]

Dear all,
just finished to do these:

http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2010/06/tests-on-html5-video-and-css.html

HTH. bye :-)


http://www.css-zibaldone.com
http://www.css-zibaldone.com/test/  (English)
http://www.css-zibaldone.com/articles/  (English)
http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/  (English)








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Re: [css-d] Font treatment suggestion?

[Brian M. Curran]

> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010, Brian M. Curran wrote:
> > Hiya,
> > Can anyone suggest a CSS font treatment to my home page quotes, that
> > would jazz them up and make them more appealing?
> >
> > www.draftingservices.com

> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>
>   The biggest problem I have with that page is that is is a narrow
>   ribbon of text down the centre of my browser window, forcing too
>   much scrolling: 

I was trying to figure out what the fuss was about, until I refreshed the 
page,
and realized that I was looking at a cached version.

Here's my thoughts:

blockquote {
  margin: auto 0;
}

The margins on the paragraphs are plenty - you don't need them on the
blockquote too.

also remove the font and line height rules - I liked it better in Arial.

Also, I'd consolidate the blockquotes into 2 (instead of 5):


  I specialize ...
  I additionally ...



  I provide ...
  Providing ...
  In summary, ...



Thanks, good point. ...Tinkering with the CSS has been a fun and good 
learning experience. Everyone's critiques and ideas have helped me continue 
to understand CSS better, while accomplishing something very practical. 
...Back to CAD work today, and then back to my home page when I have some 
downtime!

Sincerely,
Brian 

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[css-d] Re : Re : IE8, CSS 2.1 & page-break-inside: avoid problem

[Stéphane Carnot]

Hi Philip,

Thanks for your help.

All the three samples show the problem.
Just "Print preview" in A4 with IE 8, you'll see that the DIVs are broken 
(=printed across multiple pages). It shoudn't.

JYves




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À : Stéphane Carnot 
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Objet : Re: [css-d] Re : IE8, CSS 2.1 & page-break-inside: avoid problem



Stéphane Carnot wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Sorry, i was on holidays :-)
>
> First, thanks for your help.
> But it doesn't help much.
> I'm trying to use the 'page-break-inside : avoid'. The page-break-after is 
> not what i'm looking for.

OK, you have test files, but we (or at least, I)
still do not know what you are trying to achieve :-(

Which of your three demo. files demonstrates the problem ?
Where does the page break occur, if you print to A4 paper ?
Help us to help you, and more help may well be forthcoming !

Philip Taylor



  
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Re: [css-d] Re : IE8, CSS 2.1 & page-break-inside: avoid problem

[Peter Coates]

It appears that you are trying to avoid a page break in a div containing
several s.  Your examples appear to work in Opera, but not in IE8.  IE8's
support for page-break-inside is best described as "buggy".

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Subject: Re: [css-d] Re : IE8, CSS 2.1 & page-break-inside: avoid problem



Stéphane Carnot wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Sorry, i was on holidays :-)
>
> First, thanks for your help.
> But it doesn't help much.
> I'm trying to use the 'page-break-inside : avoid'. The page-break-after is
not what i'm looking for.

OK, you have test files, but we (or at least, I)
still do not know what you are trying to achieve :-(

Which of your three demo. files demonstrates the problem ?
Where does the page break occur, if you print to A4 paper ?
Help us to help you, and more help may well be forthcoming !

Philip Taylor
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Re: [css-d] Tests on HTML5 video and CSS

[David Laakso]

Gabriele Romanato wrote:
> Dear all,
> just finished to do these:
>
> http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2010/06/tests-on-html5-video-and-css.html
>
> HTH. bye :-)
>
>   



Thanks. Guess it will be a while before these are ready for "prime-time." This 
makes it is difficult to comment other than with regard to trivial pursuits...



And even though I have been to your site many times, I still tripped this 
morning on finding the clickable link to the test pages.

Best,
~d


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Re: [css-d] Tests on HTML5 video and CSS

[Climis, Tim]

> just finished to do these:
> 
> http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2010/06/tests-on-html5-video-and-
> css.html
> 

Just FYI, Chrome Dev branch (6.0.437.3) autoplayed every one of those videos, 
so it appears that the Webkit nightlies must have support.

---Tim
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[css-d] An Image On Top Of an Image

[Victor Subervi]

Hi;
How do I place an image on top of another image?
TIA,
Victor
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Re: [css-d] An Image On Top Of an Image

[Climis, Tim]

> How do I place an image on top of another image?

Umm.  Can we have an example of what you want?  There are many options here, 
and depending on the effect you're looking for, some may or may not work.  For 
example: do you want the bottom image to be visible under the top image 
(translucent)?  Are the images the same size or is one going to frame the 
other?  Or are you looking for a "scattered photographs" effect?  All of these 
would have significantly different solutions, but all fall under "one image on 
top of another."

---Tim
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Re: [css-d] An Image On Top Of an Image

[Victor Subervi]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Climis, Tim  wrote:

> Umm.  Can we have an example of what you want?  There are many options
> here, and depending on the effect you're looking for, some may or may not
> work.


kinda figured that...


> For example: do you want the bottom image to be visible under the top image
> (translucent)?


yes


>  Are the images the same size or is one going to frame the other?


not the same size. The bottom one has a "hole" in it for the button to fill.
Imagine the logo for mailman (python mailing list). There is a "flag" part
to the left with a "circle" on the right:
http://www.mailmanlist.net/img/MailmanLogo75x199.jpg
Imagine it with "flags" on either side. Hope that was better.
TIA.
V
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Re: [css-d] An Image On Top Of an Image

[Peter Coates]

Wouldn't it be easier to construct the finished image you want, and define
the active area for the "button" with a ?

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Sent: June-21-10 8:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [css-d] An Image On Top Of an Image

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Climis, Tim  wrote:

> Umm.  Can we have an example of what you want?  There are many options
> here, and depending on the effect you're looking for, some may or may not
> work.


kinda figured that...


> For example: do you want the bottom image to be visible under the top
image
> (translucent)?


yes


>  Are the images the same size or is one going to frame the other?


not the same size. The bottom one has a "hole" in it for the button to fill.
Imagine the logo for mailman (python mailing list). There is a "flag" part
to the left with a "circle" on the right:
http://www.mailmanlist.net/img/MailmanLogo75x199.jpg
Imagine it with "flags" on either side. Hope that was better.
TIA.
V
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Re: [css-d] An Image On Top Of an Image

[Victor Subervi]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Peter Coates wrote:

> Wouldn't it be easier to construct the finished image you want, and define
> the active area for the "button" with a ?
>

Yeah, well, could do; however, I reuse the button over different images. How
do? Too complicated?
V

>
> -Original Message-
> From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org
> [mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Victor Subervi
> Sent: June-21-10 8:36 AM
> To: Climis, Tim
> Cc: CSS Discuss
> Subject: Re: [css-d] An Image On Top Of an Image
>
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Climis, Tim  wrote:
>
> > Umm.  Can we have an example of what you want?  There are many options
> > here, and depending on the effect you're looking for, some may or may not
> > work.
>
>
> kinda figured that...
>
>
> > For example: do you want the bottom image to be visible under the top
> image
> > (translucent)?
>
>
> yes
>
>
> >  Are the images the same size or is one going to frame the other?
>
>
> not the same size. The bottom one has a "hole" in it for the button to
> fill.
> Imagine the logo for mailman (python mailing list). There is a "flag" part
> to the left with a "circle" on the right:
> http://www.mailmanlist.net/img/MailmanLogo75x199.jpg
> Imagine it with "flags" on either side. Hope that was better.
> TIA.
> V
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[css-d] Re : Re : IE8, CSS 2.1 & page-break-inside: avoid problem

[Stéphane Carnot]

Hi, 

I don't know if IE8 is buggy but it seems to be ok with page-break-inside tag :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28Cascading_Style_Sheets%29
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc196971%28VS.85%29.aspx

But i can't make it work :-(

Thanks for your help,
JYves





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À : "Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)" ; Stéphane Carnot 

Cc : css-d 
Envoyé le : Lun 21 juin 2010, 14h 27min 46s
Objet : RE: [css-d] Re : IE8, CSS 2.1 & page-break-inside: avoid problem

It appears that you are trying to avoid a page break in a div containing
several s.  Your examples appear to work in Opera, but not in IE8.  IE8's
support for page-break-inside is best described as "buggy".

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Sent: June-21-10 2:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [css-d] Re : IE8, CSS 2.1 & page-break-inside: avoid problem



Stéphane Carnot wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Sorry, i was on holidays :-)
>
> First, thanks for your help.
> But it doesn't help much.
> I'm trying to use the 'page-break-inside : avoid'. The page-break-after is
not what i'm looking for.

OK, you have test files, but we (or at least, I)
still do not know what you are trying to achieve :-(

Which of your three demo. files demonstrates the problem ?
Where does the page break occur, if you print to A4 paper ?
Help us to help you, and more help may well be forthcoming !

Philip Taylor
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Re: [css-d] An Image On Top Of an Image

[Peter Coates]

  

  



 

The enclosing  is important.  It has positional info, so the
coordinated in the enclosed s are relative to that div.  You do not
have to specify the width and height of the images.  I've just doing that to
show the sizes.  The second image will be displayed on top of the first: no
z-index is given, so they are rendered in the order they occur.  If you
want, you could say

 



  

  



 

From: Victor Subervi [mailto:victorsube...@gmail.com] 
Sent: June-21-10 10:09 AM
To: Peter Coates
Cc: Climis, Tim; CSS Discuss
Subject: Re: [css-d] An Image On Top Of an Image

 

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Peter Coates 
wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier to construct the finished image you want, and define
the active area for the "button" with a ?


Yeah, well, could do; however, I reuse the button over different images. How
do? Too complicated?
V 


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[mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Victor Subervi
Sent: June-21-10 8:36 AM
To: Climis, Tim
Cc: CSS Discuss
Subject: Re: [css-d] An Image On Top Of an Image

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Climis, Tim  wrote:

> Umm.  Can we have an example of what you want?  There are many options
> here, and depending on the effect you're looking for, some may or may not
> work.


kinda figured that...


> For example: do you want the bottom image to be visible under the top
image
> (translucent)?


yes


>  Are the images the same size or is one going to frame the other?


not the same size. The bottom one has a "hole" in it for the button to fill.
Imagine the logo for mailman (python mailing list). There is a "flag" part
to the left with a "circle" on the right:
http://www.mailmanlist.net/img/MailmanLogo75x199.jpg
Imagine it with "flags" on either side. Hope that was better.
TIA.
V

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Re: [css-d] Re : Re : IE8, CSS 2.1 & page-break-inside: avoid problem

[Peter Coates]

http://reference.sitepoint.com/css/page-break-inside

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Sent: June-21-10 6:27 AM
To: css-d
Subject: [css-d] Re : Re : IE8, CSS 2.1 & page-break-inside: avoid problem

Hi, 

I don't know if IE8 is buggy but it seems to be ok with page-break-inside
tag :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28Cascading_Style
_Sheets%29
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc196971%28VS.85%29.aspx

But i can't make it work :-(

Thanks for your help,
JYves





De : Peter Coates 
À : "Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)" ; Stéphane
Carnot 
Cc : css-d 
Envoyé le : Lun 21 juin 2010, 14h 27min 46s
Objet : RE: [css-d] Re : IE8, CSS 2.1 & page-break-inside: avoid problem

It appears that you are trying to avoid a page break in a div containing
several s.  Your examples appear to work in Opera, but not in IE8.  IE8's
support for page-break-inside is best described as "buggy".

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Sent: June-21-10 2:09 AM
To: Stéphane Carnot
Cc: 'css-d'
Subject: Re: [css-d] Re : IE8, CSS 2.1 & page-break-inside: avoid problem



Stéphane Carnot wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Sorry, i was on holidays :-)
>
> First, thanks for your help.
> But it doesn't help much.
> I'm trying to use the 'page-break-inside : avoid'. The page-break-after is
not what i'm looking for.

OK, you have test files, but we (or at least, I)
still do not know what you are trying to achieve :-(

Which of your three demo. files demonstrates the problem ?
Where does the page break occur, if you print to A4 paper ?
Help us to help you, and more help may well be forthcoming !

Philip Taylor
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Re: [css-d] An Image On Top Of an Image

[Victor Subervi]

Well, Peter, your code worked well; however, I had to add several breaks at
the end:


  
 
  


 
Listen Live!
Click here to listen live to WXZT 90.9 FM now!

  


  
  



  
 
  


  


Even so, it has a little extra space at the top. What happened without the
breaks is that your code forced everything down for some reason. Could you
explain that?
TIA,
V
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Re: [css-d] An Image On Top Of an Image

[Climis, Tim]

> 

Can you send us a link to your live page instead of all this code?  It's a lot 
easier to debug things that way.

If not, we can try and work with what we've got, but a link is always more 
helpful.

---Tim
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Re: [css-d] An Image On Top Of an Image

[Victor Subervi]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Climis, Tim  wrote:

> > 
>
> Can you send us a link to your live page instead of all this code?  It's a
> lot easier to debug things that way.
>

http://creative.vi/clients/crucian-edu/
TIA,
V
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[css-d] very long page in opera 9.64 and 10.54 on both windows and mac

[Erik Visser]

(tested on windows xp and mac os x snow leopard)
both opera 9.64 en 10.54 make this page very long:

http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl

css:
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/css/style.css
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/css/makeup.css
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/css/menu.css
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/script/shadowbox/shadowbox.css

any ideas on how correct this?

Thank you,
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[css-d] ie6 and ie7 behave differently

[Erik Visser]

I'am working on http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl

In both ie6 and ie7 there are a couple of empty lines, before the last 
two text paragraphs are displayed.
(above the text "Als dit alles je aanspreekt ben je van harte uitgenodigd!")

Both ie6 and ie7 display the original page alright (without empty 
lines): http://www.ottermeerhoeve.nl

Any ideas on what is causing the beta version to show up with these 
empty lines in ie 6 and ie7?


Thank you,
Erik Visser



PS1 css:
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/css/style.css
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/css/makeup.css
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/css/menu.css
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/css/ie.css
http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl/script/shadowbox/shadowbox.css



PS2 ie8 displays both www and beta versions alright (no empty lines here).
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[css-d] CSS Not Validating

[Duane Nelson]

I'm using the following to fix a PNG display bug in http://myL2G.com

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Re: [css-d] very long page in opera 9.64 and 10.54 on both windows and mac

[David Laakso]

Erik Visser wrote:
> (tested on windows xp and mac os x snow leopard)
> both opera 9.64 en 10.54 make this page very long:
>
> http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl
>
>
>
> Erik Visser
>   





This...
  
 
 
...  





Becomes this...
  
...  
 
 





Best,
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Re: [css-d] CSS Not Validating

[David Laakso]

Duane Nelson wrote:
> I'm using the following to fix a PNG display bug in 
> /* PGN Fix for img, div {
>  behavior: url(../scripts/htc/iepngfix.htc)
> }
>
> But it causes the css to ot validate.  Is there a way I can do this to get my 
> CSS to validate?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duane Nelson
>   






try:

* html img, 
* html div {
behavior: url(../scripts/htc/iepngfix.htc)
} /* targets IE/6.0 */


Best,
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Re: [css-d] ie6 and ie7 behave differently

[David Laakso]

Erik Visser wrote:
> I'am working on http://beta.ottermeerhoeve.nl
>
> In both ie6 and ie7 there are a couple of empty lines, before the last 
> two text paragraphs are displayed.
> (above the text "Als dit alles je aanspreekt ben je van harte uitgenodigd!")
>
> Both ie6 and ie7 display the original page alright (without empty 
> lines): http://www.ottermeerhoeve.nl
>
> Any ideas on what is causing the beta version to show up with these 
> empty lines in ie 6 and ie7?
>
>
> Thank you,
> Erik Visser
>
>
>
> PS2 ie8 displays both www and beta versions alright (no empty lines here).
>
>   




Wait for a stable release?

Best,
~d


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Re: [css-d] CSS Not Validating

[Thierry Koblentz]

> Duane Nelson wrote:
> > I'm using the following to fix a PNG display bug in  >
> > /* PGN Fix for > img, div {
> >  behavior: url(../scripts/htc/iepngfix.htc)
> > }
> >
> > But it causes the css to ot validate.  Is there a way I can do this
> to get my CSS to validate?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Duane Nelson
> 
> 
> try:
> 
> * html img,
> * html div {
> behavior: url(../scripts/htc/iepngfix.htc)
> } /* targets IE/6.0 */


Hi David,

I'm afraid that won't hide the proprietary property from the parser.


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Re: [css-d] CSS Not Validating

[David Laakso]

Thierry Koblentz wrote:
>>
>> try:
>>
>> * html img,
>> * html div {
>> behavior: url(../scripts/htc/iepngfix.htc)
>> } /* targets IE/6.0 */
>> 
>
>
> Hi David,
>
> I'm afraid that won't hide the proprietary property from the parser.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Thierry
>
>   




Oh, my...

Perhaps you would be kind enough to point Duane to the appropriate 
Conditional Comment?

Best,
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Re: [css-d] CSS Not Validating

[Peter Bradley]

Ar 21/06/10 22:13, ysgrifennodd Duane Nelson :
> I'm using the following to fix a PNG display bug in
> /* PGN Fix for img, div {
>   behavior: url(../scripts/htc/iepngfix.htc)
> }
>
> But it causes the css to ot validate.  Is there a way I can do this to get my 
> CSS to validate?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duane Nelson
> Loss2gaiN Designs
> http://myL2G.com
>


On the one occasion I needed it, I used this:



Obviously you'll want to substitute your own selector.

HTH


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Re: [css-d] CSS Not Validating

[Tom Livingston]

I use this and have had very good results. Add to your page with conditional 
comments. Works for bg images!


Sent from my iPod

On Jun 21, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Duane Nelson  wrote:

> I'm using the following to fix a PNG display bug in  
> /* PGN Fix for img, div {
> behavior: url(../scripts/htc/iepngfix.htc)
> }
> 
> But it causes the css to ot validate.  Is there a way I can do this to get my 
> CSS to validate?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Duane Nelson
> Loss2gaiN Designs
> http://myL2G.com
> 
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Re: [css-d] CSS Not Validating

[Thierry Koblentz]

> >> * html img,
> >> * html div {
> >> behavior: url(../scripts/htc/iepngfix.htc)
> >> } /* targets IE/6.0 */
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I'm afraid that won't hide the proprietary property from the parser.
> 
> Oh, my...
> 
> Perhaps you would be kind enough to point Duane to the appropriate
> Conditional Comment?

I sent an email to Duane off-list already, but saying it is no better to use
proprietary markup than proprietary CSS. That if it was me, I'd leave it
like that.


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Re: [css-d] CSS Not Validating

[David Laakso]

Thierry Koblentz wrote:
 * html img,
 * html div {
 behavior: url(../scripts/htc/iepngfix.htc)
 } /* targets IE/6.0 */

 
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> I'm afraid that won't hide the proprietary property from the parser.
>>>   
>> Oh, my...
>>
>> Perhaps you would be kind enough to point Duane to the appropriate
>> Conditional Comment?
>> 
>
> I sent an email to Duane off-list already, but saying it is no better to use
> proprietary markup than proprietary CSS. That if it was me, I'd leave it
> like that.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Thierry
>   






I guess what you mean, is that either way, the construct is not valid.

Best,
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Re: [css-d] Tests on HTML5 video and CSS

[Jay Tanna]

--- On Mon, 21/6/10, Climis, Tim  wrote:

> 
> Just FYI, Chrome Dev branch (6.0.437.3) autoplayed every
> one of those videos, so it appears that the Webkit nightlies
> must have support.
> 


Safari 4 seems to fair better when it comes to HTML5 and CSS3 according to this 
survey:



Can't vouch for its authenticity or its independence!  Also I have no idea how 
old is this article!  Things must have changed since!

hth



  
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