Re: [css-d] shadow and blur pitfalls?
On Oct 19, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Al Sparber wrote: So 3 duplicate rules, all with the same values are needed: box-shadow -moz-box-shadow -webkit-box-shadow Hmm. Al. Care to put that in the correct order so that you can leverage the cascade ? First the vendor-pefixed properties ! -moz-box-shadow {} -webkit-box-shadow {} box-shadow {} (Fx 4 will suport the non-prefixed property with some small changes since the original -moz-box-shadow landed. All for the better, it is assumed) http://emps.l-c-n.com/notebook/css-vendor-prefixes-and-the-cascade (linking to my own rants :-)) You might also want to visit the W3.org web site and read the box-shadow spec. for people who have a hard time to find those things: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/#the-box-shadow - your friendly neighbourhood grumpy old nitpicker…. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] shadow and blur pitfalls?
From: Philippe Wittenbergh e...@l-c-n.com On Oct 19, 2010, at 5:05 AM, Al Sparber wrote: So 3 duplicate rules, all with the same values are needed: box-shadow -moz-box-shadow -webkit-box-shadow Hmm. Al. Care to put that in the correct order so that you can leverage the cascade ? First the vendor-pefixed properties ! -moz-box-shadow {} -webkit-box-shadow {} box-shadow {} (Fx 4 will suport the non-prefixed property with some small changes since the original -moz-box-shadow landed. All for the better, it is assumed) http://emps.l-c-n.com/notebook/css-vendor-prefixes-and-the-cascade (linking to my own rants :-)) You might also want to visit the W3.org web site and read the box-shadow spec. for people who have a hard time to find those things: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/#the-box-shadow - your friendly neighbourhood grumpy old nitpicker…. Thanks Grumps ;-) You're right. I was sloppy. It is duly noted and hopefully the original poster has noted it as well. -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Dreamweaver Menus | Galleries | Widgets http://www.projectseven.com/go/hgm The Ultimate Web 2.0 Carousel __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] :: ie/6.0 ::
I quit. What's causing our little friend to throw an h-scroll bar at 800? Signature link. Best, Bill -- :: desktop and mobile :: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Has anyone used www.webtype.com?
Has anyone used a font from http://www.webtype.com/ is it possible that it's as easy as they make it sound? Have you run into any trouble? thanks! Sandy __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Has anyone used www.webtype.com?
Not sure about this one but what about TypeKit? http://www.typekit.com http://css-tricks.com/video-screencasts/69-first-ten-minutes-with-typekit/ On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:32:06 -0400, Sandy wrote: Has anyone used a font from http://www.webtype.com/ is it possible that it's as easy as they make it sound? Have you run into any trouble? thanks! Sandy __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Has anyone used www.webtype.com?
Not sure about this one but what about TypeKit? http://www.typekit.com http://css-tricks.com/video-screencasts/69-first-ten-minutes-with-typekit/ thanks - I hadn't heard of it. Have you tried typekit? Are you happy with it? Sandy __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Has anyone used www.webtype.com?
I use typekit and like it. The downside is load time. Also watch for font rendering. It's different in different browsers. Shanna Cramer http://thewebshoppe.net On 10/19/10 10:43 AM, Sandy wrote: Not sure about this one but what about TypeKit? http://www.typekit.com http://css-tricks.com/video-screencasts/69-first-ten-minutes-with-typekit/ thanks - I hadn't heard of it. Have you tried typekit? Are you happy with it? Sandy __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Has anyone used www.webtype.com?
I use typekit and like it. The downside is load time. Also watch for font rendering. It's different in different browsers. Shanna Cramer http://thewebshoppe.net thanks Shanna. That's strange about the font rendering - I thought the whole point was that this could replace image fonts altogether ... thanks for your input. Sandy __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Has anyone used www.webtype.com?
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Sandy sfeld...@sympatico.ca wrote: I use typekit and like it. The downside is load time. Also watch for font rendering. It's different in different browsers. Shanna Cramer http://thewebshoppe.net thanks Shanna. That's strange about the font rendering - I thought the whole point was that this could replace image fonts altogether ... Well yeah, sure, it can, but different operating systems render fonts differently, and depending on the settings, they vary even more. Just because a font looks smooth and anti-aliased on your machine doesn't mean it will look the same on others... it's not pixel-perfect like images are. That being said, if one font looks blocky on someone's windows 95 box with IE 6, then all fonts look blocky, so they wouldn't know the difference. -- -- Christian Montoya mappdev.com :: christianmontoya.net __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Has anyone used www.webtype.com?
That being said, if one font looks blocky on someone's windows 95 box with IE 6, then all fonts look blocky, so they wouldn't know the difference. good point Christian. So - worth using? Do the load times have you sitting there drumming your fingers wondering what's wrong, or is it just a hair longer than you expect? Do you have a link to a site which uses this service you could pass along? thanks! s. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Formatting nested lists
Hi, I'm working on a project concerned with legislation and one of the requirements is to format some of the data exactly as it appears in the appropriate statute. Basically this means that level one ordered lists should number (1), (2), (3) etc; level two ordered lists should go (a), (b), (c) etc, and level three should go (i), (ii), (iii) etc. For an idea of what I mean, for levels one and two anyway, take a look at: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/24/section/2 The chapter number on that page can be ignored. I just need the internal contents. Interestingly, the site above does not use lists to format the data, so my question - below - might be something of a forlorn hope: but I thought I'd ask anyway, since the data is going to have to be entered by end users (after my contract has finished) using an HTML editor like TinyMCE and I'm not looking forward to having to train them in how to do that properly if we have to finish up with a solution such as the one used on the UK Government site above. I guess I would have to train them to edit the HTML produced by the editor in order to allocate the correct classes to things: maybe even to add elements like span and so on. Nightmare. I know that it's possible to use standard CSS to do the following: 1. First level item 1 2. First level item 2 3. First level item 3 1. Second level item 1 2. Second level item 2 1. Third level item 1 2. Third level item 2 3. Third level item 3 3. Second level item 3 4. First level item 4 style ol { list-style-type: decimal;; } ol ol { list-style-type: lower-alpha;; } ol ol ol { list-style-type: lower-roman; } /style /head body div ol liFirst level item 1/li liFirst level item 2/li liFirst level item 3 ol liSecond level item 1/li liSecond level item 2 ol liThird level item 1/li liThird level item 2/li liThird level item 3/li /ol /li liSecond level item 3/li /ol /li liFirst level item 4/li /ol /div ... The problem, of course, is that the parentheses are missing. Is there any way I can use CSS to include the parentheses or am I stuck with the standard list style types? Or is there some other magic I can use? Given the alternative, I might be able to persuade my customers to settle for the standard CSS, but I'm trying not to give up without a fight. So any suggestions would be most gratefully received. Thanks in advance. Peter -- http://www.peredur.net __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Has anyone used www.webtype.com?
I only use it on H tags because of the load time. Removing unused options like bold and italic helps, too. I have no patience for slow computers, plus page speed is a ranking factor for Google now. I am using typekit on these sites: http://nawbogrrv.org/ http://customdesigntools.com/ http://korbyimagery.com/ http://thewebshoppe.net/ Shanna Cramer http://TheWebShoppe.net On 10/19/10 1:47 PM, Sandy wrote: That being said, if one font looks blocky on someone's windows 95 box with IE 6, then all fonts look blocky, so they wouldn't know the difference. good point Christian. So - worth using? Do the load times have you sitting there drumming your fingers wondering what's wrong, or is it just a hair longer than you expect? Do you have a link to a site which uses this service you could pass along? thanks! s. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] drop down menu
I am trying to learn a new drop down menu. I was using Son of Suckerfish as a tutorial but I am missing something. http://www.tristateadvantage.com/trial-pages/dropdownmenu.html It is suppose to be horizontal. http://www.tristateadvantage.com/trial-pages/dropdownmenu.css I have display inline on the nav div. I had it on the nav li but it didn't make any difference. This list requires some java script to make work in IE. I tried placing it in the html, which didn't work, placed it in the css and it works but I am not sure that it is correct. Another question. I would not mind using this as a vertical menu but the drop downs cover the next item. I tried changing the size of the ul and li and I have left clear on the nav li but it didn't seem to help. Any suggestions on how to make this work as a vertical menu? Kris Jacobson __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Has anyone used www.webtype.com?
I only use it on H tags because of the load time. Removing unused options like bold and italic helps, too. I have no patience for slow computers, plus page speed is a ranking factor for Google now. I am using typekit on these sites: http://nawbogrrv.org/ http://customdesigntools.com/ http://korbyimagery.com/ http://thewebshoppe.net/ Shanna Cramer http://TheWebShoppe.net hey Shanna, Thanks for the links. I think the load times are usable. TheWebShoppe.net is gorgeous! cheers, Sandy __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Has anyone used www.webtype.com?
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Sandy sfeld...@sympatico.ca wrote: That being said, if one font looks blocky on someone's windows 95 box with IE 6, then all fonts look blocky, so they wouldn't know the difference. good point Christian. So - worth using? Do the load times have you sitting there drumming your fingers wondering what's wrong, or is it just a hair longer than you expect? Do you have a link to a site which uses this service you could pass along? I don't have any links but to answer your question, the load time isn't bad compared to using images for all your headers, and it's probably way better than using other techniques that involve generating SWFs or generating images on-the-fly for dynamic text, but I would say don't use it for body copy because that would take too long. As Shanna said, try to stick to headers only. -- -- Christian Montoya mappdev.com :: christianmontoya.net __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Has anyone used www.webtype.com?
the load time isn't bad compared to using images for all your headers, and it's probably way better than using other techniques that involve generating SWFs or generating images on-the-fly for dynamic text yes - did you take a look at the links Shanna sent? The load times are really not bad at all. Another advantage of this approach is that the text size will grow if you increase text size. Sandy __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: ie/6.0 ::
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:47 PM, David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com wrote: I quit. What's causing our little friend to throw an h-scroll bar at 800? Signature link. Best, Bill -- :: desktop and mobile :: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ The scrollbar seems to disappear giving margin-right:0 to #q You indeed have * html #q { margin: 0 } in the IE6 section, but this doesn't override an above #q { margin: 0 15% 0 0 !important; } I haven't looked too much into the details... Bruno -- Bruno Fassino http://www.brunildo.org/test __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Background bullet for paragraphs
Philippe Wittenbergh e...@l-c-n.com wrote: You can control the size of background images: that is what the background-size property is for. Supported by Gecko 1.9.2 (Fx 3.6). WebKit (Safari 5+, recent Chrome) Opera 10.5 +. Probably IE 9beta, although I can't test that one. I tested with IE9 Beta and it does support multiple background images and background-size. IE9 uses the official tag, eg, background-size. Now if IE9 would just add CSS3 gradients and text-shadow before shipping. Am I the only one who is miffed those are missing? Chad Lundgren __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: ie/6.0 ::
On 10/19/10 4:35 PM, Bruno Fassino wrote: I quit. What's causing our little friend to throw an h-scroll bar at 800? Signature link. Best, Bill -- :: desktop and mobile :: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ The scrollbar seems to disappear giving margin-right:0 to #q You indeed have * html #q { margin: 0 } in the IE6 section, but this doesn't override an above #q { margin: 0 15% 0 0 !important; } I haven't looked too much into the details... Bruno Yes! Way to go. Thanks...! Best, Bill -- :: desktop and mobile :: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Selecting a br following a paragraph of a given class
Is there a way to select all br tags that follow a paragraph with a given class? i.e. p class=myclassThis is a paragraph/pbr There may be other br in the HTML so I cannot use this: br {display:none;} and I cannot delete all br tags. There are about 700 pages and I do not want to go through each of them to make sure if the br is needed or not. I do know that it is not needed following a paragraph with the class of myclass. TIA, Linda __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] ADMIN: Has anyone used www.webtype.com?
Folks, This thread has, to date, had exactly nothing to do with CSS. If people want to discuss how to efficiently write CSS in support of such services, that might be all right. If we wanted to discuss practical CSS that replaces the need for such services, that would be fine. As things stand, none of that nor anything faintly resembling it is happening, and so the thread needs to end now. Thank you. -- Eric A. Meyer (http://meyerweb.com/eric/), List Chaperone CSS is much too interesting and elegant to be not taken seriously. -- Martina Kosloff (http://mako4css.com/) __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Formatting nested lists
Ar 19/10/10 23:52, ysgrifennodd Andrew Cunningham : ol { counter-reset: item; } ol li { display: block; } ol li:before { content: ( counter(item, decimal) ) ; counter-increment: item; } ol ol li:before { content: ( counter(item, lower-alpha) ) ; counter-increment: item; } ol ol ol li:before { content: ( counter(item, lower-roman) ) ; counter-increment: item; } Hi Andrew, Certainly does work for me: in Firefox, anyway. I guess that IE results might be mixed. Would that be right? I haven't got IETester handy at the moment. Assuming that's so, and if I get decent results in IE8, I could probably persuade the client that they can live with that. I'll just use ordinary list formatting for any problematic IEs. Do you have a reference where I could check that stuff out? Preferably something I'll have a fighting chance of understanding (given that I'm pretty happy with the basics of CSS). :-) But thanks a lot for that. It's good stuff. Cheers Peter -- http://www.peredur.net __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] drop down menu
On 10/19/10 3:13 PM, TriState Advantage, Kris Jacobson wrote: I am trying to learn a new drop down menu. I was using Son of Suckerfish as a tutorial but I am missing something. http://www.tristateadvantage.com/trial-pages/dropdownmenu.html I regret that I am not able to give you any advice other than to point you to a drop-down menu that I have used [1] and found it to be both Web Standards Compliant and addresses Accessibility Guidelines. It is not exactly the easiest feat to pull-off but with patience and perseverance it will work well for you... [1] http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/keyboard_friendly_dropdown_menu/default.asp Best, ~d -- :: desktop and mobile :: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Selecting a br following a paragraph of a given class
Hi Linda, You may be able to use an adjacent sibling selector to do it, something like this: .myclass + br { display: none; } I don't think that will work in IE 6, but it seems to be supported in most other browsers. BR in general is a difficult tag to style, see for example: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/899252/can-you-target-br-with-css You might want to look into changing the source code itself using a perl script or a tool like BBEdit that could process those 700 pages in a few seconds. Hope that helps, -Paul Burney http://www.burney.ws/ On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Linda Miller, DVM anm...@bellsouth.net wrote: Is there a way to select all br tags that follow a paragraph with a given class? i.e. p class=myclassThis is a paragraph/pbr There may be other br in the HTML so I cannot use this: br {display:none;} and I cannot delete all br tags. There are about 700 pages and I do not want to go through each of them to make sure if the br is needed or not. I do know that it is not needed following a paragraph with the class of myclass. TIA, Linda __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Background problem
http://www.tishstreasures.biz/store The transparent white background is only covering the footer but has been applieed to the main content. Thanks for any help. C __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] extra vertical height in box and lines in IE7 in navigation
Hi CSS Discuss list, Would appreciate guidance in fixing the IE 7 problem in my navigation. The current selected nav item is too tall and the lines to the right of the list items in the nav are also too tall. This is my development url: http://211bayarea.org/wp/?page_id=21 Also, the hit area is very small on my nav. It is working fine on this template: http://211bayarea.org/wp/?page_id=29 Thanks, Linda __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/