Re: [css-d] Menu items
Hi Mario, [quote] When I hover over the menu, I can see a little gap between one item and the next one. Is there a way of getting rid of that space and go directly from one link to the next one? [/quote] Change: div id=menu ul lia href=#Link/a/li lia href=#Link/a/li lia href=#Link/a/li /ul /div To: div id=menu ul lia href=#Link/a/lilia href=#Link/a/lilia href=#Link/a/li /ul /div For whatever reason if you include a Carriage Return it adds a non-breaking space between the links. Tested in FF3. ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Regarding inline style
Hi Gautam, Don't apologise -I'm sure you english is better than most kids these days! (: I can see that each of the 4 links has 3 nodes. You would like it if either the link or any node it would highlight that link (A:active). I have done this in the past using PHP to generate the menu code for me. Aside from individually updating each page with a class I can't see it would be possible. You could possibly use javascript to detect the URL and add the style. ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk 2009/4/23 Gautam Bhatia gautam2678s...@gmail.com: hello mx, Thank you for the reply sir, sorry my engliish is not good ,I'm indian so please bear with me. ok this is what i'm trying to do on this link .. http://www.muttertag-geschenke.net __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Problem with links on IE 7 and link on IE 6
Hi Chris, There are already several responses to this problem on your previous post [css-d] CSS Problem with a tags on IE 6\7. I still firmly believe it's something to do with your stacking issues. Ta, ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Background Images clickable links
Hi Chris, What you've done there is partially correct (the HTML is fine). However, in the CSS you've made the #logomiddle have it's dimensions (960x1150px) but the A tag is empty. You'd need to do something like this: CSS: #logomiddle { display: block; background: url(header-web-page-graphic-done3_01.png) no-repeat top center; position: absolute; left: -490px; top: -150px; height: 1150px; width: 960px; } #logomiddle a { display: block; height: 1150px; /* same as height above */ width: 960px; /* same as width above */ } I've just tested this and it works correctly in FF3 IE6. Based on the code you've used I'm guessing this has something to do with your indexpage9.html? ;) Ta, ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Putting IE6 out to pasture
Hi folks, Thought you'd be interested in this. Could this *finally* be the end of IE6 and our CSS woes? http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2009/03/putting-ie6-out-to-pasture.html ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Putting IE6 out to pasture
Eric sent a message out earlier not to discuss/debate this further on this list. Apologies for any inconvenience and lets keep our IE6 thoughts to ourselves, eh? Ta, ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Image Rollover Problem
Hi Yazmin, Try this - tested in FF3 and IE7 on XP. http://resource.mxdx.co.uk/ww/yazmintest.htm ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Style a select tag (the arrow part)
Hi Steve, I found this CSS only hack to allow a pretty select menu with no JavaScript. http://pennypacker.net/articles/css_tricks_select_menu It works okay in FF3 but falls back to the default in IE6. Is an input value for a form? ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk 2009/2/17 Stephen Tang clowwizarder...@gmail.com: Blake, Thanks for the reply and confirming this. I did find several Javascript-based solutions in my internet search, so I will investigate those options further. Thanks, Stephen On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Blake haswel...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Stephen Tang clowwizarder...@gmail.com wrote: Based on current information on the internet, I presume that there is no way to do this with CSS only. Am I right? 100% There are JavaScript solutions around, I suggest you check that option out if you want to do any complex styling on SELECT elements. -- Blake Haswell http://www.blakehaswell.com/ | http://www.thegraveltrap.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 Class block larger
Possibly something to do with the Box model bug in IE6? You are right it does happen here too. One warning on this page - I can see a lot of absolute positioning. Try resizing your browser (say to 800x600) and you'll notice the content doesn't move and you can only see half the page! ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk 2009/2/17 Christopher R majes...@thecreativesheep.ca: www.thecreativesheep.ca/page_error/imagepage3b.html I'm having a problem with an element on this page the class.myface when compared in IE7/FF/etc it looks fine but when you view it in IE6 the class.myface block element is scaled bigger, I've been trying to figure this out for a day or two I don't know how to fix. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 Class block larger
Hi Jason, You can reply to the person and/or the list. I prefer to copy the list in reply to all so that everyone else knows the answer plus it'll become a common knowledge pool. Ta, ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk 2009/2/17 Jason Newington jason.newing...@play.com: Hi there, New to the list so not sure whether I should reply to the list or to the person individually, would be grateful if someone could tell me :) Just spent a little bit of time looking at your problem and it's being caused by the p tag sitting inside .mayface. If you move the p tag outside of the .myface div then remove any positioning from #contactinfo p then it should work . . . haven't had time to thoroughly test though. Something like . . . HTML: div id=contactinfo div class=myface/div pSite Design and Dev by:a href=mailto:christop...@walkfar.ca;The Creative Sheep/a/p /div CSS: #contactinfo p { font-size: small; font-style: italic; font-size: 70%; width: 250px; } Hope this helps in some way. Jace __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Review site for IE
Hey Eric, The first general point in the enter site screen. Can you make the word Unstoppable in a fixed location on all three slides? This IMHO would create a more powerful effect. In IE6/XP I can confirm the nav menu does stack vertically instead of horizontally. My brain is not working as of yet so I can't see why this is happening! Sorry! Aside from that the site looks the same between IE6 and FF. Ta, ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk 2009/2/12 Eric Heitz heitzst...@yahoo.com: Please review the following site in IE 6. http://www.kucia.com/kucia/sua/ I am able to test in Mac FF, Safari and Opera as well as Windows IE 7. Would like to get feedback in IE 6 environment. Noticed on IE 6 render site that IE 6 stacks the main nav. Any feedback would be great. Thanks, Eric __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE problem with menu
Yep I cleared my cache and it's corrected itself. Nice website by the way (: ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk 2009/2/6 Jody Levinson j...@troutdream.com: Thank you both. Oddly, the code I pasted below was an exact copy/paste of what I was seeing on view source, but I went in later and found the problem you were seeing. It seems fixed now. Thanks again for your help. Jody On Feb 5, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Martyn Merrett wrote: What Kamil said is correct... this is a paste of the source: ul id=resourcesForList li a href=/home/resources-for/prospectivestudentsProspective Students/a /li li a href=/home/resources-for/parentsParents/a /li [snip] You'll notice the li is not closed. FF doesn't seem to mind but IE does. ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk 2009/2/6 Jody Levinson j...@troutdream.com: I've looked at the source and it looks closed to me: ul id=resourcesForList lia href=/home/resources-for/ prospectivestudentsProspective Students/a/li lia href=/home/resources-for/parentsParents/a/li lia href=/home/resources-for/alumniAlumni amp; Friends/a/li lia href=/home/resources-for/visitorsVisitors/a/li lia href=/home/resources-for/ currentstudentsCurrentStudents/ a/li lia href=/home/resources-for/facultyFaculty amp; Staff/a/li /ul Are you seeing something different? On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Kamil Saiyed wrote: Try closing your li s in ul id=resourcesForList. Kamil Saiyed Rhapsody Solutions Application Developer 281-668-9177 -Original Message- From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org [mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Jody Levinson Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:12 PM To: CSS-D Subject: [css-d] IE problem with menu Hi all, On this site: http://web536.fog.plainblack.net/ the menu on the left works in FF but not IE7 or IE8. Other pages work fine. Just not this one. In IE7, I see the text [if lte IE 7]![endif] [else if lte IE 6] in the upper left and I'm assuming the problem lies there. I checked all the other page templates and they all have the exact same code in that space: !--[if lte IE 7]link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=/ styles/ mainIe.css media=screen /![endif]-- !--[if lte IE 6]link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=/styles/ mainIe6.css media=screen /![endif]-- I even repasted the block from a working page just in case there was some stray character in there. Any clues? Thank you so much! Jody -- TroutDream Graphics, Inc. Always fresh. Never canned. http://troutdream.com 425-883-8277 928-833-8277 fax __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- TroutDream Graphics, Inc. Always fresh. Never canned. http://troutdream.com 425-883-8277 928-833-8277 fax __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- TroutDream Graphics, Inc. Always fresh. Never canned. http://troutdream.com 425-883-8277 928-833-8277 fax __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] gettings lists to align right
Cool :) Glad you got it sorted! I thought I was going mad as I didn't see your hacks lol ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk 2009/2/2 Sandy sfeld...@sympatico.ca: I don't know if anyone has replied yet but this is was I've come up with so far. I've opened this in FF, IE7, and IE6 and yes it does reverse its order. As I've found out from Googling it would seem this is the correct method as per CSS spec. I cannot seem to find your hacks in the HTML or CSS code, only test3.css - where are you loading them? Since you are floating each li right it would logically reverse the order (first li goes rightmost, etc). I usually cheat and place the ul in a span and float that right. Ta, ~Mx On Jan 30, 2009 10:29pm, Sandy sfeld...@sympatico.ca wrote: hey all, there is a problem I hope you can help with - I am pretty much at the end of my rope. I have a page where I would like some things to line up on the right, and it's working in the browsers I've tested except for IE6 and 7. I've got it more or less looking right in 7, if you don't look too closely. To get the two lists in the menu to align right, I have an ie7 specific style which reads .menu ul li { float : right; } now - this is good except that the links are now in the opposite order than I want them. http://www.caut.ca/ugfa/test/test3.html http://www.caut.ca/ugfa/test/js_css/test3.css http://www.caut.ca/ugfa/test/js_css/ie7-hacks3.css http://www.caut.ca/ugfa/test/js_css/ie6-hacks3.css thanks in advance. (also apologies if I've sent this twice - a little email trouble) hi Mx, Thanks for looking at my problem. Georg sent me this, and it works. I have been able to delete the hacks. best regards, Sandy from Georg: 1: delete the mentioned IE-only styles. 2: replace existing styles for the relevant elements with the following... .menu { clear : both; width : 780px; margin-right : 10px; font-size : .9em; font-family : arial, sans-serif; font-weight : normal; letter-spacing : .03em; background-color : transparent; padding-top: 40px; } .menu ul { padding : 0; margin : 0; clear : left; color : #5d7e25; text-align : right; list-style-type : none; background-color : transparent; text-align: right; } .menu ul li { display : inline; } ...and all major browsers will agree (with you) on how to render it... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/sandy/test_09_0131.html The problems with IE7 and older are related to right-floats and clearing bugs, so the solution is to avoid right-floats and rely on 'text-align' instead. Even IE supports that bit of CSS pretty flawless. regards Georg __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Horizontal scrolling
I've never done horizontal scrolling images before but I'm sure you've got to put the images into a li (or something) to force them in a horizontal order, rather than vertical as they are at the moment. ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk 2009/2/1 Ian Young i...@iyesolutions.co.uk: Hi Guys I am looking at simple gallery where you can use horizontal scrolling. If I use the overflow:auto, both horizontal and vertical scrolling are enabled. So how do I disable vertical scrolling so that site scrolls horizontally? http://venachar.org.uk/members/image-tester.php Cheers Ian Ian Young IY e-Solutions __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Firefox Weirdness
I've checked and it's actually Cleartype causing the issue (here on XP/FF3.0.5). See screenshots: http://resource.mxdx.co.uk/ww/cleartype.jpg ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk 2009/2/2 Gunlaug Sørtun gunla...@c2i.net: Jerod Venema wrote: http://frozenmountain.com/team.aspx in FF (3), and check out the Length of Service: 9 Years, you'll notice that the s is slightly cut off. Seems to be OS related one way or another. FF3.0.5 on win2K - no problem. FF3.0.5 on winXP - is cut off. FF3.1b2 on Vista - is cut off. FF3.0.5 on Ubuntu - no problem. All on same resolution. Haven't observed such last-letter clipping in FF before. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] a png not displaying!
Yep found it... in the ie-fix.css you've linked to: src='../images/Adress-top-3.png' Yet the image is /images/Address-top-2b.png Make that change and it should be sorted :) ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk 2009/1/30 Ian Young i...@iyesolutions.co.uk: Odd one here. http://www.dbadvertising.co.uk/dev/index-test.php All the pngs display in IE6 fine with exception of the address logo. Style sheet is at /dev/includes/ie-fix.css and /style-new.css. I cannot for the life of me see where the error lies. You guys any thoughts? Ian Young Director IY e-Solutions This e-mail contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of, distribution, copying or use of this e-mail or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this in error please inform us at the above address then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. Thank you. IY e-Solutions is a trading name of IYES Ltd. Registration: SC208707 __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] text positioning
Check out http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/index.htm for useful list/nav tips :) ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk 2009/1/30 Martyn Merrett mx.css...@googlemail.com: Would it not be much easier to have a single button as each links background? i.e. ul li class=btna href=foo.phpFoo link/a/li li class=btna href=bar.phpBar link/a/li /ul CSS: .btn { display: block; width : 200px; height : 30px; margin: 5px 0px 0px 0px; background: url('button.png'); } This way you can play around with the margins to get them spaced perfectly. ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk 2009/1/30 David McGlone da...@dmcentral.net: On Thursday 29 January 2009 7:22:31 pm you wrote: From what I guess you are trying to do is have multiple words in a specific layout. You'd need to provide individual styles for each one. Something like: div id=text p class=pos1Hello/pp class=pos2World!/p /div CSS: #text { font-weight: bold; font-family: helvetica, impact, san-serif; font-size: 14pt; } .pos1 { padding: 0px 0px 10px 5px; position: relative; left: 10px; bottom: 2px; top: 2px; } .pos2 { padding: 0px 0px 10px 5px; position: relative; left: 20px; bottom: 5px; top: 5px; } Maybe? You got the idea right. What I did was made some images of buttons and positioning the text on them. look here. http://www.dmcentral.net/eweb If I have to make a bunch of CSS tags, I'll just move the buttons to fit the default, but that isn't something I want to do because I can't get the buttons to look good if they are closer together. 2009/1/30 David McGlone da...@dmcentral.net: Hi everyone. I've been doing a lot of CSS coding lately and I'm having a slight problem with text positioning. I cannot seem to position any of the words after the first word. Here's the code I'm using: #text { padding: 0px 0px 10px 5px; position: relative; left: 10px; bottom: 2px; top: 2px; font-weight: bold; font-family: helvetica, impact, san-serif; font-size: 14pt; } I'm thinking that even though there are more than 1 words, closing the tag after each word does not make it a whole new box that can be moved individually. Am I thinking correctly? -- David M. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Different looking site in different browsers?
Utter quality! ~Mx 2009/1/28 Vladislav Vladimirov vladk...@gmail.com: Here is one of my favorites: http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/ Vladislav www.ovalpixels.com __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ -- ~Mx http://www.mxdx.co.uk __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/