[css-d] IE6 Problem: an overflow:auto; width:100% inside a 100% table gets Bugy

2007-01-26 Thread Shlomi Asaf
Hi
here r two pages:
me without 
tableC:%5CDocuments%20and%20Settings%5CSol%5CDesktop%5Cflashoo%5CmeWithoutTable.html
me
inside a 
tableC:%5CDocuments%20and%20Settings%5CSol%5CDesktop%5Cflashoo%5CmePoorTable.html
as u can see, the PRE element is OverFlow:Auto inside a 95% width table
displays worse. (in IE6 (haven't tested on IE7))
why is that? can i correct this bug?

thanks a lot

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Re: [css-d] IE6 Problem: an overflow:auto; width:100% inside a 100% table gets Bugy

2007-01-26 Thread Shlomi Asaf
for some reasons the links havent been pasted corectly:
me inside a table 
http://www.webcssdesign.34sp.com/me/flashoo/mePoorTable.html
me without table 
http://www.webcssdesign.34sp.com/me/flashoo/meWithoutTable.html

thanks for whom who will help

Neo

On 1/26/07, Shlomi Asaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi
 here r two pages:
 me without table  me inside a table
 as u can see, the PRE element is OverFlow:Auto inside a 95% width table
 displays worse. (in IE6 (haven't tested on IE7))
 why is that? can i correct this bug?

 thanks a lot

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Re: [css-d] Elementary questioning about positioning a div

2006-11-26 Thread Shlomi Asaf
On 11/24/06, Jazzcreation [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
I'd like to position a div of a certain height (say 30px) so that it starts
20px from the left hand edge, and runs up to the right edge of the screen.

I normally try to figure out a way of doing this in css, then give up and
use a table, which provides a pretty straightforward solution.

Can anyone tell me what the css solution is?


i hope u meant that:

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN 
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
head
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
titleUntitled Document/title
style
body{
margin:0
}
Div{
height:30px; border:1px solid; margin-left:20px
}
/style
/head

body
divme starts 20px from the left/div
/body
/html

a div is a block level element. and this specific element expand its width
automatic to 100% of the flow width.
as u see, i margin left 20px the element, and i didn't have to give him
width, he took the place by himself.

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[css-d] TD Overflow:Hidden?

2006-07-31 Thread Shlomi Asaf
Hi All
can i get overflow:hidden on a td, without use of div/span nested inside
that TD?

Thanks
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Re: [css-d] TD Overflow:Hidden?

2006-07-31 Thread Shlomi Asaf
yes, i did, and it doesnt work.
and all the suggestions over the internet suggest inserting div/span inside
the TD


On 7/31/06, Dave Goodchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  On 31/07/06, Shlomi Asaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi All
 can i get overflow:hidden on a td, without use of div/span nested inside
 that TD?

 Thanks
 NeoSwf

 Have you tried it?




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[css-d] google news layout structure- why is he like this?

2006-03-07 Thread shlomi asaf
hey guys
[i hope this question haven't been asked till now, if so- my
apologies.]

I've looked at http://news.google.com page code layout, and I've seen
that the page layout is table based.

the containers are tables, the hidden personalization panels are also
in tables.
most of the page in build using tables. even the pictures are in
cellspacing=5 tables.

why is that?
why haven't they used css layout?
why the pictures are in tables and don't have simple margin:5px ?
and i don't speak about the font tags they used...

i assume that google guys used this technique for cross browsers
support.

but still, this brings me to a second question.
after all our researches (and i can speak only for myself), table
structure after all are the stable, consistent and reliable layout
there is.
of course- content will be putted using right HTML- P,H1-6,Divs, but
still- the table layout proves himself as the right solution.

what do you think?
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[css-d] a textarea poke out, and a line height issue

2006-02-23 Thread shlomi asaf
hey
attached please find an img that define the problem i have
also i pasted the link for my problem
http://dogma.co.il/shlomi/for_cssD.html

as you can see, the textarea pokes out, and i don't know how to fix it.
i putted at the end of the div - a BR with clear:both
i overflow:auto my #frm
i cant find an answer except giving #frm a height, a thing i try to avoid.

Second question:
as u can see in my pic/link, the text sub account and master account,
the texts that are in the same raw with the divs, doesn't inherit the
vertical align:middle. how can i vertical align them without placing them
inside a div.


thank you very much
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Re: [css-d] a textarea poke out, and a line height issue

2006-02-23 Thread shlomi asaf
thank u so much for your answers, Reger  Gunlaug
they have really helped me!!!

:)


 Roger Roelofs  wrote:
 Vertical-align applies to inline elements and depends on the
 line-height that is specified.
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[css-d] the perfect layout

2006-01-05 Thread shlomi asaf
http://www.dogma.co.il/shlomi/htmlTest/stracture_everything.html
http://www.dogma.co.il/shlomi/htmlTest/layout_stracture.gif
*hi :)*
i need to build this page as structured at the Giff and been started working
on at the html page i attached.

i need to make a 3 columns page
i have a Left column, a Right column, and a middle content area.
at the bottom there's a Footer.

this footer should be placed at the middle. and inherit the middle content
width. (as shown at the GIF example i made)

i mannaged to make a float layout, that if u take the left or right layout
(by display:none), the middle automatic takes his place.

*i have to problems unsolved here:*
*1.* how can i solve my fotter issue? he is in absolute position,
bottom:0. how can i make him sit at the middle AND at the bottom of the
page, say like bottom of the middle column, and the middle colum widths,
like at my picture.
*2.*  if i dont give my DIV#main a fixed height, i wont have a scope for the
#left #right Children to adjust to.
and if my content height is over the height i declared in my style, the
content wont influence the div height. couse its fixed.

ill appriciate any help
Shlomi Asaf
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[css-d] mozilla bug absolute position+bottom:0 doesnt refresh when container div height is changing

2005-12-21 Thread shlomi asaf
Link to example: http://www.shlomiasaf.com/footer_tst.html

hi, i have a problem in MOZ. i place a div in a absolute position, in the
bottom:0px.
when i change the height of the container div, the bottom div doesnt move,
he knows the bottom position cuse he has a clear:both BR before him.

does some knows to solve this problem in moz? how to render in moz div
places on changes?

Thanks a lot.
Shlomi.A
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Re: [css-d] Problem in WinXP SP2 (Correct E-mail)

2005-12-21 Thread shlomi asaf
infact- i have problem caching my site images
what is the reason for the images loading everytime users enter my website?

i can declare something or orgenize my html in a way that will make my
images load from the cache and not everytime the user enter my site?


On 11/23/05, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hello,
 
  I am having problems in hover of image in the IE6 Windows XP SP2.
 
  It is blinking when the event happens to hover.
 
  What the reason happens this?
 

 It's difficult to say without an actual page to look at, but, like most
 developers, you presumably have IE set to Check for newer versions of
 stored pages (i.e. use the cache or not) on every visit to the page.
 This causes problems for IE as, rather than using cached versions of CSS
 background images, it goes back to the server every time and refetches it.

 Change your browser setting to check Automatically (Tools menu 
 Internet Options dialog  General tab  Temporary Internet Files fieldset
  Settings... button) and see if that fixes it. If so, you can relax, as
 this is the default setting, meaning 99% of visitors won't see the
 flicker.

 HTH,

 Nick.
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Re: [css-d] Positioning Divs without div container

2005-12-14 Thread shlomi asaf
but cant i use the body tag as my container?

another question: doesnt the divs render them self much more faster? dont
they render to the stage/page quicker?
a table tag need to be close before he shows him sels. same as div.
doesnt it?

On 12/14/05, Christian Heilmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 .
  i use in my sites to build using container div that contain all the
  structure and the divs that hold the site.
  someone told me that is would be a good idea to separate the divs. in
 this
  way the browser will process the page faster, and will put the HTML
 faster.

 I sincerely doubt that this is the case. It was the case with Netscape
 4.x and tables - if you had the whole layout in one table then it took
 long to render, whereas if you created a header - content and footer
 table the page seemingly rendered a lot faster.

 Don't let yourself be fooled by unproven myths, it is a good idea to
 contain your layouts in a container DIV, as that makes it easy to
 switch from fixed to fluid layouts in future redesigns.

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Re: [css-d] Positioning Divs without div container

2005-12-14 Thread shlomi asaf

  if you had the whole layout in one table then it took
 long to render, whereas if you created a header - content and footer
 table the page seemingly rendered a lot faster.



hi cristian
just to make my self clear: have u talked about the user feel, that the page
takes longer to load? or have you talked about the total loading time the
pages takes to load,?
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Re: [css-d] Positioning Divs without div container

2005-12-14 Thread shlomi asaf
now days we calculate every byte
i disagree with you about your attitude. that you don't have to calculate
and think about site weight
look at yahoo homepage code, for example: they don't write ', all css
classes are one to two letters
there is a war for clients(costumers), and u have have to make the site fast
as possible



On 12/14/05, Christian Heilmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  but cant i use the body tag as my container?

 I doubt that every user agent out there allows you to set a width to
 body. I could be wrong though. However, you lose another element you
 can use for borders and background that way. Faux columns[1] is a
 great trick to use with a centered container element.

  another question: doesnt the divs render them self much more faster?
 dont
  they render to the stage/page quicker?
  a table tag need to be close before he shows him sels. same as div.
  doesnt it?

 Could be. Generally tables are not good to use for layout[2] and are
 more complex constructs than DIVs, therefore DIVS might be faster (a
 user agent has to recalculate the width of each cell, check if there
 is a colspan or a rowspan, check if the element is a TD or a TH to
 apply the different browser specific styles, add the borders and and
 and).

 The whole idea about CSS layout is that the grid is not fixed and you
 don't build a visual construct but style a sematically logical HTML
 structure. This means that an element designated nav could be left,
 right, top or bottom, depending on the need of the user and the
 ability of the user agent.

 Rendering speed is quite a moot point these days, if you keep your
 structure logical and don't add dozens of elements for visual trickery
 then the page will render quickly.

 I can make a table that renders really fast or create a DIV with a
 12mb background image that will take ages to render, there is really
 no competition.

 [1] Faux Columns: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/
 [2] Why tables for layout is stupid http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/


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[css-d] Positioning Divs without div container

2005-12-13 Thread shlomi asaf
{attached please find a picture describing the problem}

Hi Guys
i get conflicted in those days with this question:
i know that browsers put the HTML as soon as they find the closing tag of
the element- like Table or Div or P . etc...
i use in my sites to build using container div that contain all the
structure and the divs that hold the site.
someone told me that is would be a good idea to separate the divs. in this
way the browser will process the page faster, and will put the HTML faster.

building a site without a container div is strange for my idea.
i cannot put background images, i cannot position divs in the middle. i can
do that only using absolute positioning and use JavaScript to measure user
client width.

bottom line- are divs, inside container div, load fast as outside a main
div, using body as the scope.

can someone contribute me from his experience. ill appreciate that.

Shlomi.A
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[css-d] Image rollOver reloading problem background Positioning technique- architectural problem {i guess]

2005-12-05 Thread shlomi asaf
hi :)
i use this thechniuqe to rollOver images and change there state.

http://www.zimmerim.co.il/zimmersV2/test_For_Css_D.html
#in_the_area A.spa{
 background-image:url(../images/more_in_the_area_spa.gif);
}
#in_the_area A.spa:hover{
 background:url(../images/more_in_the_area_spa.gif)  0% -94px;
}
live example appears here- at the bottom
http://www.zimmerim.co.il/zimmersV2/atraktion_show.php?id=19


for some reason, after the image had been loaded, if i stand on the image,
it reLoads the image again. so strange...
and some times- the image doesn't reloads it self. it works great (after i
clean my cash of course)

is it server problem? architectural design problem?

thank you
NeoSwf
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Re: [css-d] Image rollOver reloading problem background Positioning technique- architectural problem {i guess]

2005-12-05 Thread shlomi asaf
continuation:
i got on a trace.
for some reason, after the page had been open for 10-15 minutes, if i move
on the images, they reload again. and i see a blank/white space behind them.

why is that happening? server bandwidth limitation ? browser limitation ?


On 12/5/05, shlomi asaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 hi :)
 i use this thechniuqe to rollOver images and change there state.

 http://www.zimmerim.co.il/zimmersV2/test_For_Css_D.html
 #in_the_area A.spa{
  background-image:url(../images/more_in_the_area_spa.gif);
 }
 #in_the_area A.spa:hover{
  background:url(../images/more_in_the_area_spa.gif)  0% -94px;
 }
 live example appears here- at the bottom
 http://www.zimmerim.co.il/zimmersV2/atraktion_show.php?id=19


 for some reason, after the image had been loaded, if i stand on the image,
 it reLoads the image again. so strange...
 and some times- the image doesn't reloads it self. it works great (after i
 clean my cash of course)

 is it server problem? architectural design problem?

 thank you
 NeoSwf

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Re: [css-d] Changing background color in UL or LI elements

2005-12-05 Thread shlomi asaf
if you give an element display:block, you can set height, width, bg color
and much more.

look at this example:
http://www.zimmerim.co.il/zimmersV2/test_For_Css_D.html

and look at the right list in this portal
http://www.zimmerim.co.il/zimmersV2/
the white ones? its a list

look over this
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[css-d] DOCTYPE STRICT declaration problems with the page appearance in MOZ

2005-11-09 Thread shlomi asaf
Hi :)
mozila gives me hurd time with pictures in a page the declare imself as
HTML-STRICT (as seen below)
http://dogma.co.il/margin.gifhttp://pegasus.myboxnetplace.com/~zimmeri/tzimerim/images/Untitled-1.gif
you can see in that example that moz makes a margin:2px between the
pictures.
 IE dosent makes me problems. why is that?
  help will be appriciated very much.
 Thank You
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[css-d] tables VS divs

2005-09-22 Thread shlomi asaf
HI Guys
I'm facing now the dilemma between working with tables or div's
im trying to figure what is the golden path

Sometimes div's seems to be overkilling achievement when I'm working
with a layout of 3 standing columns and one should relate to his
brother height

Even though div's are so functional/modular compare to tables layout, I
don't want myself to do everything in the sake of i have to build my
site using only div's, because its what everybody does, so probably
there's a good reason for that

I want to use the right technique in the right situation
Tables are so easy to maintain a steady structure, the left column is
relative to his right brother, they inherit each other dimensions and i
don't have to kill myself with html/css hacks to achieve repeating
BG_image in one column.

i built few suites using only div's, it gave me a headache, and when im
looking back, i see that i tried so much to be a div-site-builder, that
i forgot not to loose time in the way, and i forgot to question each
situation and figure what is the best way to dill with.

but im sure that im probably in my first few steps in my journey, and i
still need to learn the tricks, but it seems that to much energy is
waist instead of using what is simple and time saving in each specific
situation.

im sorry i dont bring up a discusion on a spacific example. i want
really to discuss to ideal/easy and energy saving way to built a web
site.

thanks a lot
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Re: [css-d] tables VS divs

2005-09-22 Thread shlomi asaf
*hey guys*
thanks so much for your replies

*cristina*, have u found your css fails? mine never fall down.
ill read more in details your email, later on- promise :)

*dwain, **cristina, *look at this example, plz enlighten my eyes if im doing
something wrong.
 http://www.shlomiasaf.com/CSS/nav/horizontal_NAV_BAR.htm
look at the source, it based on eric mayers listematic
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal04.htm
 using table for this example, i would have done that in no time. i would
have got vertical-align easly, td-box hieght and it was so easy to acvhive
that goal in few secs and less code/css
 but here i broke my soul to achive this goal. i had to use 2 styles for the
same nav. i had to define DIV style, and A style. its so complecated for no
reason.
  cheers for any sugestions.
 Shlomi


On 9/22/05, dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 shlomi asaf wrote:
  HI Guys
  I'm facing now the dilemma between working with tables or div's
  im trying to figure what is the golden path

 in short, tables should be used for tabular data and divs are used as
 containers for positioning. as you work with (x)html and css rather
 than tables you will find that this is less code heavy than tables. in
 the beginning there can be much frustration in positioning elements, but
 when you begin to understand what you can do with html/css pages, quite
 frankly, you will not want to go back to using tables for layout.

 i have been using html/css for layout for just over a year, and i don't
 think that i could do a table layout if my mother's life depended on it.
 there is more freedom in using html/css based layout over table layouts.

 sure, tables are quicker to layout, especially if you are a wysiwyger,
 but i've been hand coding for just over a year, and i don't even
 consider wysiwyg as an option any more.

 there was an advertisement long ago that espoused, try it you'll like
 it! html/css based layouts appear to be more standards compliant than
 table layouts (imo).

 hth,
 dwain


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=
 shlomi asaf wrote:
 I'm facing now the dilemma between working with tables or div's
 im trying to figure what is the golden path

Hi

IMHO it shouldn't be a tables Vs divs argument - because both have their
place when correctly marked up. It should be a tables for formatting
Vs CSS argument. Plus divs can be just as overused (I'm just as guilty
of that).

CSS will make your sites much easier to maintain in the future, if they
are marked up correctly you will still be able to use the site even if
your stylesheet fails. (Or more to the point your visitor decides they
want to turn it off, or apply their own styling).

The thing that is important is that you shouldn't force your website to
be viewed a certain way. Which a table formatted design will try to do
and will also be more difficult to use on different platforms.

I totally understand what you mean about table formatted design being
easier to create.

But just try a little test - try navigating around your site using
nothing but the keyboard, try it on other sites too - ones that are CSS
driven and ones that are table driven. See how you get on. Now turn
off the CSS and images - are those sites still usable/accessible? Are
your sites still usable/accessible? Which in your opinion came out
best? They might not look as pretty - but when it comes down to it -
people want to access and use the information.

My 2p

;o)

hth
Kristina
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[css-d] div horizontal centering in Moz

2005-09-15 Thread shlomi asaf
Hi buddies :)
Wassap?

why in moz this code doesnt work, and only in IE it does?
 style
.body{
height:90%;
width:100%;
text-align:center
}
/style
 IE
div id=body
div id=main_container/div
/div
 Moz
div id=body
centerdiv id=main_container/div/center
/div
 why moz doesnt support text-align:center, but recive center tag?
 thanks!
Neo
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[css-d] Re: z-index - layer positioning, but without absolute positioning plz :~)

2005-09-14 Thread shlomi asaf
ok
i've solved the problem
if a layer is absolute, to a father, who is relative, he will relate to him 
as his scope, his root.
 tnx
NeoSwf

 On 9/13/05, shlomi asaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 Hi :)
 
 how can i position 2 divs, that r nested in 1 big div, like the following 
 example:
 http://www.dogma.co.il/shlomi/position_zIndex.htm
 
 I'm not interested in absolute positioning, because the divs should be 
 relative to the div they r contained inside, and not to the body.
 
 the code i used is like the following: 
  div style=border:1px solid #000
 divimg src=images/black.gif/div
 div style=position:relative; left:60px;top:-200px;img 
 src=images/blue.gif/div 
 /div
  how can i overlap one div on another div, and yet they will be relative 
 to the div they r contained inside?
  thanks alot
 Neo

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[css-d] z-index - layer positioning, but without absolute positioning plz :~)

2005-09-14 Thread shlomi asaf
Hi :)

how can i position 2 divs, that r nested in 1 big div, like the following 
example:
http://www.dogma.co.il/shlomi/position_zIndex.htm

I'm not interested in absolute positioning, because the divs should be 
relative to the div they r contained inside, and not to the body.

the code i used is like the following: 
 div style=border:1px solid #000
divimg src=images/black.gif/div
div style=position:relative; left:60px;top:-200px;img 
src=images/blue.gif/div
/div
 how can i overlap one div on another div, and yet they will be relative to 
the div they r contained inside?
 thanks alot
Neo
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Re: [css-d] can i force width on a div? / working with blog system

2005-08-09 Thread shlomi asaf
its about tables been entered by the user
 Thanks a lot
Shlomi

 On 8/9/05, Christian Heilmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
  Hi everybody
  im working on a Blog System and i have problems with user inputs
  i have 2 divs
 
  div id=jjj
  div id=ggg style=width: 600px; float:leftuser data/div
  div id=fff style=width: 150px; float:leftright column/div
  /div
 
  on the left DIV the user uploads his data.
  if the user uploads content widen then 600px, the page breaks and the 
 right
  div falls down beneath the left DIV
 
  how can i solve it?
  through declaring *!important *div width, i haven't managed to control 
 the
  width absolutely.
 
 What is data? Text should wrap, images you could check before
 allowing the user to add it to the content and resize them on the
 server. If this is about preformatted text, then you could use the
 overflow CSS declaration to define what the blog should do:
 http://www.quirksmode.org/css/overflow.html
 
 If this is about shortening links, then you'd either need to shorten
 them in your upload script or via DOM and a small JavaScript.
 
 HTH
 Chris
 
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 Chris Heilmann
 Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com
 Writing: http://icant.co.uk/
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Re: [css-d] can i force width on a div? / working with blog system

2005-08-09 Thread shlomi asaf
Display:relative doesn't exist, or i have misunderstood you.
i have to tell the programmer, to resize the images of a table been
entered by the user, cause i cannot know how much columns the user
will enter.



On 8/9/05, Christian Heilmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  its about tables been entered by the user
 
 If you either define the width of each table inside your content
 section to its width or define no width at all and set the content
 section to display:relative all should be fine. Do not allow them to
 define any sizes, this is the job of the CSS :-)
 
 
 
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 Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com
 Writing: http://icant.co.uk/
 Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/

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Re: [css-d] only half of the drop downs work in IE6

2005-08-01 Thread shlomi asaf
Hi Richard
have you fixed the problem?
I'm using IE and i don't see any problem in your menu, besides a
little design issue:
from my opinion, u should margin:7px 0 0 10px your drop-downs so
they will align to the text and not sit so close to the text at the
menu.

Yours
Shlomi Asaf.

On 8/1/05, Rich Points [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Howdy,
 I'm working on a design and I'm having trouble getting all the drop
 downs to work in IE6.  The first three menus are dropping like they
 should but the next three, starting with 'techniques' don't work.  Has
 anyone see this problem before?
 http://gatewaygourmet.com/Test/index.htm
 
 Thanks
 Rich
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[css-d] background : 100% 90px Explanation

2005-07-30 Thread shlomi asaf
Hi
im new to the list and i have a question:
what does those attributes [ 0% -91px ] means in those definitions:

.posttitle a {
background: #9BBB38 url(images/posttitle.gif) no-repeat top left;
}

.posttitle a:hover, .posttitle a:active {
background: #E8E7D0 url(images/posttitle.gif) no-repeat 0% -91px;
}

my guess is that 0 means width or margin-left of the area, and -91 the
height positioning of the bg-img.

am i right?
where the is a documantation for this attribute?
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