Re: [css-d] 2 equal-height columns and onetruelayout (OTL)

2006-06-15 Thread e lohroff
Hmmm - guess I should have been more explicit in
asking a question - What have I done wrong in my css
and html?

TIA,
E.
 
e lohroff wrote:
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 my page is still broken in IE 6, Opera 7.11 and 
 Netscape 8.1.
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 I'm trying to teach myself css instead of tables and
 am trying to replicate this page:
 http://66.116.129.70/shockney/reunion_table.php
 
 The left column is fixed width and the right column
 fills the rest of the page.
 
 Here's the new page and the css
 http://66.116.129.70/shockney/reunion_css.htm
 http://66.116.129.70/shockney/cssexpt.css

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Re: [css-d] 2 equal-height columns and onetruelayout (OTL)

2006-06-15 Thread David Laakso
e lohroff wrote:
 I *think* I followed the guidelines and code
 explicitly in OTL(positioniseverything.net) but my
 page is still broken in IE 6, Opera 7.11 and Netscape
 8.1. 
   
I don't know what OTL is and I did not try to find out.
Most of us Opera fanatics use Opera9.0b2. I think the latest stable is 
8.54. Move on up.
 I'm trying to teach myself css instead of tables and
 am trying to replicate this page:
   
Sounds like a good plan.
 http://66.116.129.70/shockney/reunion_table.php

 The left column is fixed width and the right column
 fills the rest of the page.

 Here's the new page and the css
 http://66.116.129.70/shockney/reunion_css.htm
 http://66.116.129.70/shockney/cssexpt.css
 TIA,
 E.
A proper doctype, structured layout, and clean markup is a place to 
start :-P . I think you can just forget tables altogether. Since I am 
more visually, than verbally or technically oriented, I roughed up a 
layout-- rather than trying to explain what I thought you might want to 
do. It represents a starting point, not a solution. The xml declation 
above the doctype puts IE in quirksmode (I don't exactly know what that 
means, other than it's easier to cope with the 'evil one' that way). 
With planning and care you will will not need any hacks to work 
cross-browser-- at least not so far, anyway. Please see:
http://www.dlaakso.com/four-col/2c.html
/Cursory/ tested with font-zoom in XP: ff, moz, opera, and ie/6.0.
HTH.
~dL
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Re: [css-d] 2 equal-height columns and onetruelayout (OTL)

2006-06-15 Thread Ed Seehouse
It represents a starting point, not a solution. The xml declation
 above the doctype puts IE in quirksmode (I don't exactly know
what that
 means, other than it's easier to cope with the 'evil one' that way).

I find it the exact opposite.  IE 6 in quirks mode renders any block
element with padding or a border at the wrong width because it's box
model violates the CSS standard.

If you remove the XML prologue and put it in standards mode it at
least renders block elements at their correct size.  If you add 10 px
to each side of a block element it *should* expand the box by 20 px.

IE is bad enough in standards mode and I can't imagine any reason to
try to cope with it in quirks mode.

Ed Seedhouse
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Re: [css-d] 2 equal-height columns and onetruelayout (OTL)

2006-06-15 Thread David Laakso
Ed Seehouse wrote:
 It represents a starting point, not a solution. The xml declation
 above the doctype puts IE in quirksmode (I don't exactly know
 what that
 means, other than it's easier to cope with the 'evil one' that way).
 

 I find it the exact opposite.  IE 6 in quirks mode renders any block
 element with padding or a border at the wrong width because it's box
 model violates the CSS standard.

 If you remove the XML prologue and put it in standards mode it at
 least renders block elements at their correct size.  If you add 10 px
 to each side of a block element it *should* expand the box by 20 px.

 IE is bad enough in standards mode and I can't imagine any reason to
 try to cope with it in quirks mode.
   
Then don't. Different strokes for different folks.

BTW, nothing to do with CSS, but this
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
is an XML declaration; not an XML prologue. 

 Ed Seedhouse
   
Regards,
~davidLaakso
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[css-d] 2 equal-height columns and onetruelayout (OTL)

2006-06-14 Thread e lohroff
I *think* I followed the guidelines and code
explicitly in OTL(positioniseverything.net) but my
page is still broken in IE 6, Opera 7.11 and Netscape
8.1.  I've validated my html but the css doesn't
validate because of the browser hacks (and probably my
own mistakes, too).

I'm trying to teach myself css instead of tables and
am trying to replicate this page:
http://66.116.129.70/shockney/reunion_table.php

The left column is fixed width and the right column
fills the rest of the page.

Here's the new page and the css
http://66.116.129.70/shockney/reunion_css.htm
http://66.116.129.70/shockney/cssexpt.css

In IE, the left margin for content is wrong, but if
I make it work there, then it goes wrong in NS and O
and gets hidden under the menu block.

And in NS and O, the content of content begins below
the end of menu content.

I know I still have some other tweaking to do, but I
want to get these columns right.

TIA,
E.

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