Re: [css-d] Aural Style Sheets
At 18:42 (London time), on 24/7/07, James Gadrow said: I don't know of too many, I've not mucked around too much with them yet. However, I know of Jaws (you can download a free trial but I believe after that there's a registration fee) or, if you're using firefox, there's a free plugin called FireVox. For those of us using Macs there is also an interesting article at 456bereastreet.com giving an introduction to Mac OSX's built-in screen- reading software called Voiceover -- a handy tool that most mac users will never have even tried out. http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200505/ voiceover_and_safari_screen_reading_on_the_mac/#main Using VoiceOver was an interesting experience, but I have no idea how VoiceOver compares with 'proper' (ie. dedicated) screen reader software like Jaws, and therefore do not know whether the experience it provides should be treated as an accurate gauge of how accessible a site is in this regard. I'd love to hear other people's views but this might be getting a bit off topic for the list? Perhaps a discussion of screen readers is too much like a discussion about browsers... -- Rick Lecoat __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Aural Style Sheets
On Wed, July 25, 2007 10:51 am, Rick Lecoat wrote: I'd love to hear other people's views but this might be getting a bit off topic for the list? Perhaps a discussion of screen readers is too much like a discussion about browsers... Probably even more off-topic than a discussion of browsers: a screen reader isn't a browser at all. The developers of assistive technologies such as Jaws tend to put much more effort into making them work well with applications like Excel than they do for browsers. I think the belief that screen readers are only, or primarily, used for surfing the web is probably the single most common misconception about assistive technologies. They can and do interface to IE and Firefox, but they are used for a lot more than that. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Aural Style Sheets
Probably even more off-topic than a discussion of browsers: a screen reader isn't a browser at all. Of course, I never intended for this to be a discussion of various screen readers, but of whether creating aural cascading style sheets (ACSS) held value for those who use screen readers. As a few have pointed out, when ACSS are created by a sighted person with no experience in using screen readers, one could make the browser experience more frustrating rather than less. I've read that the downloadable free trial of JAWS is applicable for 40 minutes. After that time you must reboot your computer and then can run the program again. This apparently can be done repeatedly. This product can be found here: http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws.asp For the moment I'll be focusing on following the W3C guidelines as much as possible with a primary focus on adding keyboard accessibility, skip navigation links, etc. For those who are interested, I found the following site to have the most complete information on making your pages accessible: http://www.webaim.org/. Thanks to all for your feedback, Denise __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Aural Style Sheets
Good day list, I am preparing to begin work for a client whose site must meet Bobby compliance, particularly to accommodate their blind visitors. Along with digesting the W3C accessibility guidelines, I've discovered Aural Cascading Style Sheets (ACSS). From the handful of more recent articles I found on this subject, it appears that it still is not well-supported in speech readers. I would appreciate any advice (and links) from those of you familiar with designing for this audience. Additionally, recommendations for commonly used speech reader browsers that I could download for testing the site would be great (i.e., Emacspeak). Thanks, Denise __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Aural Style Sheets
Denise wrote: I would appreciate any advice (and links) from those of you familiar with designing for this audience. I, too, would like to have some of this information as I've only briefly toyed with the idea of learning aural style sheets. So, please either post them to the list (since it's still dealing with css, just a particular derivative) or cc me in :) Additionally, recommendations for commonly used speech reader browsers that I could download for testing the site would be great (i.e., Emacspeak). I don't know of too many, I've not mucked around too much with them yet. However, I know of Jaws (you can download a free trial but I believe after that there's a registration fee) or, if you're using firefox, there's a free plugin called FireVox. HTH! -- Thanks, Jim __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Aural Style Sheets
At 12:42 PM -0400 7/24/07, Denise wrote: I am preparing to begin work for a client whose site must meet Bobby compliance, particularly to accommodate their blind visitors. Along with digesting the W3C accessibility guidelines, I've discovered Aural Cascading Style Sheets (ACSS). From the handful of more recent articles I found on this subject, it appears that it still is not well-supported in speech readers. That's my reading, although the support is far more widespread than once it was. I recommend http://dotjay.co.uk/tests/css/aural-speech/ as a good starting point for what's supported, and by whom. -- Eric A. Meyer (http://meyerweb.com/eric/), List Chaperone CSS is much too interesting and elegant to be not taken seriously. -- Martina Kosloff (http://mako4css.com/) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
