Re: [css-d] IE8 developer tools and toggling was (IE8 is better but still slightly broken)

2008-03-06 Thread Alan Gresley
Ingo Chao wrote:

 Its cool to have the option to see a page live in one of the three 
 compatibility modes you choose (Quirks, Strict IE7, and Standards IE8) 
 when the developer tools are opened.
 
 Ingo


So if I download the developer tools the below issue is re-solved?


 Anyway once you install this IE8 beta, IE7 suddenly disappears from 
 the system. I'm just glad they have this little new [7] button to 
 toggle to IE7 mode but you have have to close IE8 first for it to 
 work. How can I use the button if the IE8 has to close. Shaking my 
 head in disbelief. LOL. Am I understanding this wrong.


and you don't have to restart Internet Explorer. When I click the IE7 toggle 
button I get this message.

You must close all Internet Explorer windows and restart Internet Explorer to 
complete the IE7 Emulation mode switch

When you select OK, you must close Internet Explorer and reload it and then IE8 
is in IE7 mode and the IE7 toggle button now has a white background. If you 
click the toggle button again the same message appears and then you must close 
Internet Explorer and reload it again to be back in IE8 mode.


I did see a link for these developer tools on the IE blog, I must find the link 
again.


Alan

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Re: [css-d] IE8 developer tools and toggling was (IE8 is better but still slightly broken)

2008-03-06 Thread Ingo Chao

 So if I download the developer tools the below issue is re-solved?

The developer tool is already included. Its the last button to the 
right, an blue arrow. It opens a window behind the actual IE8 window, 
so you have to make room to see it. Then click on view|change 
compatibility mode. (Quirks IE5, Strict IE7, Standard IE8)


Negative text-indent is broken
http://satzansatz.de/ie8/textindent.html


Ingo

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Re: [css-d] IE8 developer tools and toggling was (IE8 is better butstill slightly broken)

2008-03-06 Thread Al Sparber
From: Alan Gresley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 So if I download the developer tools the below issue is re-solved?


I hope people are using IE8 for its intended purpose of Technical Beta. 
Microsoft's own home page does not work very well and major sites (like 
Adobe.com and Yahoo are rendered in degrees of chaos). In the event this 
beta gets out in the wild and folks start using it as their default browser 
for general surfing, I'd recommend a little warning:

http://www.projectseven.com/testing/ie8/pmm/

You'll see an alert box if you use IE8.

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Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets
Authors: 42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design



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Re: [css-d] IE8 developer tools and toggling

2008-03-06 Thread Alan Gresley
Ingo Chao wrote:

  So if I download the developer tools the below issue is re-solved?
 
 The developer tool is already included. Its the last button to the 
 right, an blue arrow. It opens a window behind the actual IE8 window, 
 so you have to make room to see it. Then click on view|change 
 compatibility mode. (Quirks IE5, Strict IE7, Standard IE8)
 
 
 Negative text-indent is broken
 http://satzansatz.de/ie8/textindent.html
 
 
 Ingo


I don see a blue arrow. This is a screenshot of what I seeing.

http://css-class.com/test/images/ie7mode.png


I can't find any reference for Quirks IE5 and Strict IE7 mode anywhere here.


Alan

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Re: [css-d] IE8 developer tools and toggling

2008-03-06 Thread Ingo Chao
Alan Gresley wrote:
 Ingo Chao wrote:
 
 So if I download the developer tools the below issue is re-solved?
 The developer tool is already included. Its the last button to the 
 right, an blue arrow. It opens a window behind the actual IE8 window, 
 so you have to make room to see it. Then click on view|change 
 compatibility mode. (Quirks IE5, Strict IE7, Standard IE8)


 Negative text-indent is broken
 http://satzansatz.de/ie8/textindent.html


 Ingo
 
 
 I don see a blue arrow. This is a screenshot of what I seeing.
 
 http://css-class.com/test/images/ie7mode.png
 
 
 I can't find any reference for Quirks IE5 and Strict IE7 mode anywhere here.
 
 

Did you install the IE8 beta 1 or the IE8beta1 VPC image?

My image VPC looks different.

http://satzansatz.de/ie8/toolbar.jpg

You probably have to right click on the toolbar, then customize it, add 
the developer tools command/sign to the toolbar.

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] IE8 developer tools and toggling

2008-03-06 Thread Thierry Koblentz
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 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:06 PM
 To: Ingo Chao
 Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
 Subject: Re: [css-d] IE8 developer tools and toggling
 
 Ingo Chao wrote:
 
   So if I download the developer tools the below issue is re-solved?
 
  The developer tool is already included. Its the last button to the
  right, an blue arrow. It opens a window behind the actual IE8 window,
  so you have to make room to see it. Then click on view|change
  compatibility mode. (Quirks IE5, Strict IE7, Standard IE8)
 
 
  Negative text-indent is broken
  http://satzansatz.de/ie8/textindent.html
 
 
  Ingo
 
 
 I don see a blue arrow. This is a screenshot of what I seeing.
 
 http://css-class.com/test/images/ie7mode.png

Hi Alan,

Try this: 
Menu  Tools  Developer Tools  [a new window pops up]  View  Change
Compatibility Mode


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Re: [css-d] IE8 developer tools and toggling

2008-03-06 Thread Alan Gresley
Ingo Chao wrote:

 Did you install the IE8 beta 1 or the IE8beta1 VPC image?
 
 My image VPC looks different.
 
 http://satzansatz.de/ie8/toolbar.jpg
 
 You probably have to right click on the toolbar, then customize it, add 
 the developer tools command/sign to the toolbar.
 
 Ingo


No just the IE8beta and yes customizing the toolbar allows you to add the 
developer tools blue arrow. This is such a great tool allowing you to analyze 
each line of HTML, CSS and Script. Wow!


Thank you Ingo for helping me with this.


Alan

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Re: [css-d] IE8 developer tools and toggling

2008-03-06 Thread Alan Gresley
Al Sparber wrote:

 From: Alan Gresley [EMAIL-REMOVED]
 So if I download the developer tools the below issue is re-solved?
 
 
 I hope people are using IE8 for its intended purpose of Technical Beta. 
 Microsoft's own home page does not work very well and major sites (like 
 Adobe.com and Yahoo are rendered in degrees of chaos). In the event this 
 beta gets out in the wild and folks start using it as their default browser 
 for general surfing, I'd recommend a little warning:
 
 http://www.projectseven.com/testing/ie8/pmm/
 
 You'll see an alert box if you use IE8.
 
 -- 
 Al Sparber - PVII
 http://www.projectseven.com


Well my alert boxes has been put on test pages template (thabk for the tip) but 
I not going to insert that script on my other hundred or so pages.

I have already filed a bug with the IE8 newsgroup. Once submitting the bug it 
says that the bug filed should show up in five minutes but it has been eight 
hours and the list is still the same.

And I do intend on using IE8beta to help the IE team improve their browser (I 
have been doing this on the quiet since December last year). I guess some of us 
are still trying to understand the present bugs in IE8 to prepare better and 
more exact test cases to present to the IE team.

Alan

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