Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-07-09 Thread Larry Martell
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com wrote:

 On Jul 4, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com 
 wrote:

 Hi Larry,
 See my code pen. I think this is what your wanting and it's table less. 
 :)

 http://codepen.io/designdrumm/pen/FLAkc

 Haven't tested on IE, I'm on a mac. But safari, firefox and opera seemed 
 to work and display the same.
 HTH,

 Karl, thanks very much for taking the time to put this up. But it
 still has the same issue - if a cell of data is long, then it runs
 into the adjoining cell, e.g.:

 http://codepen.io/anon/pen/IGcmt

 Also I need it to be table since we use a table sorting package.

 I've found a javascript solution that appears to work:

 http://nevcal.com/eclectic/UltimateScrollingTable.html

 The only issue I am having is that I've lost the on click handler for
 the table headers that invoke the sorting. I think I know how to fix
 it, but I haven't had a chance to implement it yet.

 I would much prefer a pure CSS solution, but I don't think that's
 possible while keeping all the features the table provides.


 Hi Larry,
 Give this one a try. I made this one with a table.
 HTH,

 http://codepen.io/designdrumm/pen/dreBL


 Hi Karl,

 Thanks very much for taking the time to put this up. The issue I see
 with this, is you set the column width to 33% (100/number of columns).
 In my tables I have 10-15 columns and I do not want them to be the
 same size - I need them to auto size based on the data. I played
 around with your code and when I added more columns, some with very
 short data (e.g. 4 characters), the headers and data got misaligned. I
 have 10 tables and they are all different and I don't want to have to
 have a style for each of my 125 cells. I'd like it to work as it does
 now (where I don't set any widths) and the table just works as I want.

 Thanks again.

Just to close out this thread, I ended up using
http://nevcal.com/eclectic/UltimateScrollingTable.html
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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-07-06 Thread Larry Martell
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com wrote:

 On Jul 4, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com 
 wrote:

 Hi Larry,
 See my code pen. I think this is what your wanting and it's table less. :)

 http://codepen.io/designdrumm/pen/FLAkc

 Haven't tested on IE, I'm on a mac. But safari, firefox and opera seemed to 
 work and display the same.
 HTH,

 Karl, thanks very much for taking the time to put this up. But it
 still has the same issue - if a cell of data is long, then it runs
 into the adjoining cell, e.g.:

 http://codepen.io/anon/pen/IGcmt

 Also I need it to be table since we use a table sorting package.

 I've found a javascript solution that appears to work:

 http://nevcal.com/eclectic/UltimateScrollingTable.html

 The only issue I am having is that I've lost the on click handler for
 the table headers that invoke the sorting. I think I know how to fix
 it, but I haven't had a chance to implement it yet.

 I would much prefer a pure CSS solution, but I don't think that's
 possible while keeping all the features the table provides.


 Hi Larry,
 Give this one a try. I made this one with a table.
 HTH,

 http://codepen.io/designdrumm/pen/dreBL


Hi Karl,

Thanks very much for taking the time to put this up. The issue I see
with this, is you set the column width to 33% (100/number of columns).
In my tables I have 10-15 columns and I do not want them to be the
same size - I need them to auto size based on the data. I played
around with your code and when I added more columns, some with very
short data (e.g. 4 characters), the headers and data got misaligned. I
have 10 tables and they are all different and I don't want to have to
have a style for each of my 125 cells. I'd like it to work as it does
now (where I don't set any widths) and the table just works as I want.

Thanks again.
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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-07-05 Thread Karl DeSaulniers

On Jul 4, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Larry,
 See my code pen. I think this is what your wanting and it's table less. :)
 
 http://codepen.io/designdrumm/pen/FLAkc
 
 Haven't tested on IE, I'm on a mac. But safari, firefox and opera seemed to 
 work and display the same.
 HTH,
 
 Karl, thanks very much for taking the time to put this up. But it
 still has the same issue - if a cell of data is long, then it runs
 into the adjoining cell, e.g.:
 
 http://codepen.io/anon/pen/IGcmt
 
 Also I need it to be table since we use a table sorting package.
 
 I've found a javascript solution that appears to work:
 
 http://nevcal.com/eclectic/UltimateScrollingTable.html
 
 The only issue I am having is that I've lost the on click handler for
 the table headers that invoke the sorting. I think I know how to fix
 it, but I haven't had a chance to implement it yet.
 
 I would much prefer a pure CSS solution, but I don't think that's
 possible while keeping all the features the table provides.


Hi Larry,
Give this one a try. I made this one with a table.
HTH,

http://codepen.io/designdrumm/pen/dreBL

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com

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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-07-04 Thread Larry Martell
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com wrote:

 On Jul 2, 2014, at 7:36 AM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it possible to have a scrolling table with fixed headers without
 explicitly specifying the table cell sizes?



 Depending on your content this may be (or outright is) semantically
 horrifying, but you could achieve the *visual look* you want by using
 CSS display:table, et al and/or dl,dt,dd and css and have better luck
 with the fixed header.

 Some googling resulted in nothing other than solutions similar to yours.

 That's a good one. I look forward to someone smarter than me figuring it 
 out...

 Thanks for the suggestion Tom, and also thanks for the validation that
 what I'm trying to do is hard ;-)


 Hi Larry,
 See my code pen. I think this is what your wanting and it's table less. :)

 http://codepen.io/designdrumm/pen/FLAkc

 Haven't tested on IE, I'm on a mac. But safari, firefox and opera seemed to 
 work and display the same.
 HTH,

Karl, thanks very much for taking the time to put this up. But it
still has the same issue - if a cell of data is long, then it runs
into the adjoining cell, e.g.:

http://codepen.io/anon/pen/IGcmt

Also I need it to be table since we use a table sorting package.

I've found a javascript solution that appears to work:

http://nevcal.com/eclectic/UltimateScrollingTable.html

The only issue I am having is that I've lost the on click handler for
the table headers that invoke the sorting. I think I know how to fix
it, but I haven't had a chance to implement it yet.

I would much prefer a pure CSS solution, but I don't think that's
possible while keeping all the features the table provides.
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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-07-04 Thread Larry Martell
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com 
 wrote:

 On Jul 2, 2014, at 7:36 AM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it possible to have a scrolling table with fixed headers without
 explicitly specifying the table cell sizes?



 Depending on your content this may be (or outright is) semantically
 horrifying, but you could achieve the *visual look* you want by using
 CSS display:table, et al and/or dl,dt,dd and css and have better luck
 with the fixed header.

 Some googling resulted in nothing other than solutions similar to yours.

 That's a good one. I look forward to someone smarter than me figuring it 
 out...

 Thanks for the suggestion Tom, and also thanks for the validation that
 what I'm trying to do is hard ;-)


 Hi Larry,
 See my code pen. I think this is what your wanting and it's table less. :)

 http://codepen.io/designdrumm/pen/FLAkc

 Haven't tested on IE, I'm on a mac. But safari, firefox and opera seemed to 
 work and display the same.
 HTH,

 Karl, thanks very much for taking the time to put this up. But it
 still has the same issue - if a cell of data is long, then it runs
 into the adjoining cell, e.g.:

 http://codepen.io/anon/pen/IGcmt

 Also I need it to be table since we use a table sorting package.

 I've found a javascript solution that appears to work:

 http://nevcal.com/eclectic/UltimateScrollingTable.html

 The only issue I am having is that I've lost the on click handler for
 the table headers that invoke the sorting. I think I know how to fix
 it, but I haven't had a chance to implement it yet.

 I would much prefer a pure CSS solution, but I don't think that's
 possible while keeping all the features the table provides.

I had only tested on FF and I just tried it on IE and it's not working
there. So bummed.
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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-07-04 Thread Karl DeSaulniers


 On Jul 4, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com 
 wrote:
 
 On Jul 2, 2014, at 7:36 AM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Is it possible to have a scrolling table with fixed headers without
 explicitly specifying the table cell sizes?
 
 
 Depending on your content this may be (or outright is) semantically
 horrifying, but you could achieve the *visual look* you want by using
 CSS display:table, et al and/or dl,dt,dd and css and have better luck
 with the fixed header.
 
 Some googling resulted in nothing other than solutions similar to yours.
 
 That's a good one. I look forward to someone smarter than me figuring it 
 out...
 
 Thanks for the suggestion Tom, and also thanks for the validation that
 what I'm trying to do is hard ;-)
 
 
 Hi Larry,
 See my code pen. I think this is what your wanting and it's table less. :)
 
 http://codepen.io/designdrumm/pen/FLAkc
 
 Haven't tested on IE, I'm on a mac. But safari, firefox and opera seemed to 
 work and display the same.
 HTH,
 
 Karl, thanks very much for taking the time to put this up. But it
 still has the same issue - if a cell of data is long, then it runs
 into the adjoining cell, e.g.:
 
 http://codepen.io/anon/pen/IGcmt
 
 Also I need it to be table since we use a table sorting package.
 
 I've found a javascript solution that appears to work:
 
 http://nevcal.com/eclectic/UltimateScrollingTable.html
 
 The only issue I am having is that I've lost the on click handler for
 the table headers that invoke the sorting. I think I know how to fix
 it, but I haven't had a chance to implement it yet.
 
 I would much prefer a pure CSS solution, but I don't think that's
 possible while keeping all the features the table provides.

Ah, I see. Well my solution to the squeezing columns would be to use some 
@media to change them from inline to block at the size they overlap. But if you 
need a table for sorting, you could always shove it inside the li#cols and it 
could possibly work still. But good luck! Post back if you get a table to do 
what you're wanting. I'd be interested to see it done. 
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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-07-03 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

Le 2 juil. 2014 à 04:19, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com a écrit :

 But I want the table to be scrollable with a fixed header, so I do this:
 
 http://jsfiddle.net/mrLVG/
 
 From testing I found that I have to have  display: block; on both
 tbody.scrollContent and thead.fixedHeader tr or I do not get the
 scrollbars and fixed headers. But it is also the display: block that
 seems to be causing the misalignment.
 
 Is it possible to have a scrolling table with fixed headers without
 explicitly specifying the table cell sizes?

By setting display:block on the tbody, you essentially remove the “tableness”. 
As a result the browsers actually recreate a table inside your tbody, wrapping 
around all your tr/td [*]. Same applies to your thead tr. Messy situation… You 
might fix it partly by locking the width on each th/td - which is no very 
attractive (cough… understatement).

Have you seen this stack overflow?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21003235/creating-a-sticky-header-on-a-thead
No clean solutions, though.

In the future, creating such a table-with-fixed-header will be much easier 
thanks to position: sticky
http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-position-3/#sticky-positioning

That is already implemented in Safari 6.1/7, is coming to Firefox 32, and is 
implemented behind a flag in Bink based browsers (Opera, Chrome) – ask 
$search_engine for the details about that flag. Unfortunately sticky 
positioning on a table-header is not yet implemented; it works in Webkit 
nightly builds but not in release builds, yet. Firefox has an open bug for it.

Quick Example™:
http://dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/scrollable-table.html
The ‘some fixed heading’ is already sticky in Safari 7, the table works in 
WebKit nightly builds and maybe Opera/chrome with the aforementioned flag 
turned on.

[*] see the CSS 2.1 spec for the reasons:
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/tables.html#anonymous-boxes

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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-07-03 Thread Larry Martell
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Philippe Wittenbergh e...@l-c-n.com wrote:

 Le 2 juil. 2014 à 04:19, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com a écrit :

 But I want the table to be scrollable with a fixed header, so I do this:

 http://jsfiddle.net/mrLVG/

 From testing I found that I have to have  display: block; on both
 tbody.scrollContent and thead.fixedHeader tr or I do not get the
 scrollbars and fixed headers. But it is also the display: block that
 seems to be causing the misalignment.

 Is it possible to have a scrolling table with fixed headers without
 explicitly specifying the table cell sizes?

 By setting display:block on the tbody, you essentially remove the 
 “tableness”. As a result the browsers actually recreate a table inside your 
 tbody, wrapping around all your tr/td [*]. Same applies to your thead tr. 
 Messy situation… You might fix it partly by locking the width on each th/td - 
 which is no very attractive (cough… understatement).

 Have you seen this stack overflow?
 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21003235/creating-a-sticky-header-on-a-thead
 No clean solutions, though.

 In the future, creating such a table-with-fixed-header will be much easier 
 thanks to position: sticky
 http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-position-3/#sticky-positioning

 That is already implemented in Safari 6.1/7, is coming to Firefox 32, and is 
 implemented behind a flag in Bink based browsers (Opera, Chrome) – ask 
 $search_engine for the details about that flag. Unfortunately sticky 
 positioning on a table-header is not yet implemented; it works in Webkit 
 nightly builds but not in release builds, yet. Firefox has an open bug for it.

 Quick Example™:
 http://dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/scrollable-table.html
 The ‘some fixed heading’ is already sticky in Safari 7, the table works in 
 WebKit nightly builds and maybe Opera/chrome with the aforementioned flag 
 turned on.

 [*] see the CSS 2.1 spec for the reasons:
 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/tables.html#anonymous-boxes


Thanks for the detailed reply. I had seen a lot of SO posts about
this, but not the one you gave. I'll check it out.

The problem with specifying an explicit width for each column is that
I have 10 tables, each with 30-40 columns, and I don't always know the
width of the data. Also, we sort a table sorting package and that puts
an up/down arrow in the header when you click on it, and that changes
the width of the column.

All this new stuff sounds promising, but the client doesn't use
Chrome, and only allows FF version 12 and IE version 9. Hard to
believe, but true. They were running PHP version 5.1 and it took me 3
months to get them to upgrade to 5.4.
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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-07-03 Thread Karl DeSaulniers

On Jul 2, 2014, at 7:36 AM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Is it possible to have a scrolling table with fixed headers without
 explicitly specifying the table cell sizes?
 
 
 
 Depending on your content this may be (or outright is) semantically
 horrifying, but you could achieve the *visual look* you want by using
 CSS display:table, et al and/or dl,dt,dd and css and have better luck
 with the fixed header.
 
 Some googling resulted in nothing other than solutions similar to yours.
 
 That's a good one. I look forward to someone smarter than me figuring it 
 out...
 
 Thanks for the suggestion Tom, and also thanks for the validation that
 what I'm trying to do is hard ;-)
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Hi Larry,
See my code pen. I think this is what your wanting and it's table less. :)

http://codepen.io/designdrumm/pen/FLAkc

Haven't tested on IE, I'm on a mac. But safari, firefox and opera seemed to 
work and display the same. 
HTH,

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com
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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-07-03 Thread Norman Fournier
That is well done, and best of all, without a table.

On 2014-07-03, at 8:49 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:

 
 On Jul 2, 2014, at 7:36 AM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Is it possible to have a scrolling table with fixed headers without
 explicitly specifying the table cell sizes?
 
 
 
 Depending on your content this may be (or outright is) semantically
 horrifying, but you could achieve the *visual look* you want by using
 CSS display:table, et al and/or dl,dt,dd and css and have better luck
 with the fixed header.
 
 Some googling resulted in nothing other than solutions similar to yours.
 
 That's a good one. I look forward to someone smarter than me figuring it 
 out...
 
 Thanks for the suggestion Tom, and also thanks for the validation that
 what I'm trying to do is hard ;-)
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 Hi Larry,
 See my code pen. I think this is what your wanting and it's table less. :)
 
 http://codepen.io/designdrumm/pen/FLAkc
 
 Haven't tested on IE, I'm on a mac. But safari, firefox and opera seemed to 
 work and display the same. 
 HTH,
 
 Best,
 
 Karl DeSaulniers
 Design Drumm
 http://designdrumm.com
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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-07-02 Thread Larry Martell
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it possible to have a scrolling table with fixed headers without
 explicitly specifying the table cell sizes?



 Depending on your content this may be (or outright is) semantically
 horrifying, but you could achieve the *visual look* you want by using
 CSS display:table, et al and/or dl,dt,dd and css and have better luck
 with the fixed header.

 Some googling resulted in nothing other than solutions similar to yours.

 That's a good one. I look forward to someone smarter than me figuring it 
 out...

Thanks for the suggestion Tom, and also thanks for the validation that
what I'm trying to do is hard ;-)
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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-07-01 Thread Larry Martell
Maybe if I ask this question a different way, I can figure out an answer.

Normally when I create a table I apply no CSS to it and it just does
the right thing, e.g.:

http://jsfiddle.net/u6ULk/

But I want the table to be scrollable with a fixed header, so I do this:

http://jsfiddle.net/mrLVG/

From testing I found that I have to have  display: block; on both
tbody.scrollContent and thead.fixedHeader tr or I do not get the
scrollbars and fixed headers. But it is also the display: block that
seems to be causing the misalignment.

Is it possible to have a scrolling table with fixed headers without
explicitly specifying the table cell sizes?

On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am trying to implement a table with fixed headers using the concepts
 from this page:

 http://www.imaputz.com/cssStuff/bigFourVersion.html#

 Problem is, in my implementation, my table columns are not aligned
 with the table headers. Please see this fiddle:

 http://jsfiddle.net/softvar/yL84C/

 If I remove all the css the table is properly aligned. I'm sure it's
 something simple, but I cannot figure out what it is.

 Thanks!
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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-07-01 Thread Tom Livingston

 Is it possible to have a scrolling table with fixed headers without
 explicitly specifying the table cell sizes?



Depending on your content this may be (or outright is) semantically
horrifying, but you could achieve the *visual look* you want by using
CSS display:table, et al and/or dl,dt,dd and css and have better luck
with the fixed header.

Some googling resulted in nothing other than solutions similar to yours.

That's a good one. I look forward to someone smarter than me figuring it out...


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[css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-06-30 Thread Larry Martell
I am trying to implement a table with fixed headers using the concepts
from this page:

http://www.imaputz.com/cssStuff/bigFourVersion.html#

Problem is, in my implementation, my table columns are not aligned
with the table headers. Please see this fiddle:

http://jsfiddle.net/softvar/yL84C/

If I remove all the css the table is properly aligned. I'm sure it's
something simple, but I cannot figure out what it is.

Thanks!
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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-06-30 Thread Chris Rockwell
That example explicitly sets the width of each th and each td. The last
th and td (the td, really) accounts for what the author thinks will
be the width of the scroll bar.  I forked your fiddle and added the top 3
declarations: http://jsfiddle.net/cFr38/

Hope it helps.

Chris Rockwell


On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I am trying to implement a table with fixed headers using the concepts
 from this page:

 http://www.imaputz.com/cssStuff/bigFourVersion.html#

 Problem is, in my implementation, my table columns are not aligned
 with the table headers. Please see this fiddle:

 http://jsfiddle.net/softvar/yL84C/

 If I remove all the css the table is properly aligned. I'm sure it's
 something simple, but I cannot figure out what it is.

 Thanks!
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Re: [css-d] Table with fixed headers

2014-06-30 Thread Larry Martell
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com wrote:
 That example explicitly sets the width of each th and each td. The last
 th and td (the td, really) accounts for what the author thinks will be
 the width of the scroll bar.  I forked your fiddle and added the top 3
 declarations: http://jsfiddle.net/cFr38/

 Hope it helps.

Thanks - this helps a lot  but is there a way to get the cells
automagically sized based on the data (which is what my table does now
without the new CSS)?

 On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I am trying to implement a table with fixed headers using the concepts
 from this page:

 http://www.imaputz.com/cssStuff/bigFourVersion.html#

 Problem is, in my implementation, my table columns are not aligned
 with the table headers. Please see this fiddle:

 http://jsfiddle.net/softvar/yL84C/

 If I remove all the css the table is properly aligned. I'm sure it's
 something simple, but I cannot figure out what it is.

 Thanks!
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