Re: [css-d] html background bug?

2008-04-25 Thread Pentasis
- Original Message - 
 On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Pentasis wrote:

  Set background-color of html-element to 'transparent'
  set width of body element to anything smaller than the viewport and 
 center
  it (margin:0 auto;)
  Make sure padding of body is 0
  Apply a background color to the body element (for example red)

  Now suddenly the whole background is red, in other words, the
  background-color of the body element seeps into it's margins. But 
 margins
  are supposed to be transparent according to the spec (I can't find an
  exception anywhere).

 This is probably correct according to what is in the spec at [1], in 
 particular:

 The background of the root element becomes the background of the
 canvas and covers the entire canvas...
 For HTML documents, however, we recommend that authors specify the
 background for the BODY element rather than the HTML element. For HTML
 documents whose root HTML element has computed values of 'transparent'
 for 'background-color' and 'none' for 'background-image', user agents
 must instead use the computed value of those properties from that HTML
 element's first BODY element child when painting backgrounds for the
 canvas, and must not paint a background for that BODY element.

 In short: if there is no background on HTML (i.e. it is transparent),
 then the background specified on BODY is applied to the whole canvas,
 not really to the BODY.

 Bruno


Today I came across this statement (don't ask me where, I lost the link):

For HTML, but not for XHTML, the CSS2.1 specification recommends that we 
specify the document background for the body element, rather than for the 
html element. If the computed value of the background property for the html 
element is transparent (the initial value), any background properties 
specified for the body element will be applied to the canvas. This isn't the 
case for XHTML.

But I am unsure if they mean XHTML in general or strictly served as xml?

Bert


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Re: [css-d] html background bug?

2008-04-04 Thread Bruno Fassino
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Pentasis wrote:

  Set background-color of html-element to 'transparent'
  set width of body element to anything smaller than the viewport and center
  it (margin:0 auto;)
  Make sure padding of body is 0
  Apply a background color to the body element (for example red)

  Now suddenly the whole background is red, in other words, the
  background-color of the body element seeps into it's margins. But margins
  are supposed to be transparent according to the spec (I can't find an
  exception anywhere).

This is probably correct according to what is in the spec at [1], in particular:

The background of the root element becomes the background of the
canvas and covers the entire canvas...
For HTML documents, however, we recommend that authors specify the
background for the BODY element rather than the HTML element. For HTML
documents whose root HTML element has computed values of 'transparent'
for 'background-color' and 'none' for 'background-image', user agents
must instead use the computed value of those properties from that HTML
element's first BODY element child when painting backgrounds for the
canvas, and must not paint a background for that BODY element.

In short: if there is no background on HTML (i.e. it is transparent),
then the background specified on BODY is applied to the whole canvas,
not really to the BODY.

Bruno


[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html#background
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[css-d] html background bug?

2008-04-04 Thread Pentasis
I am not sure if this is a bug (known or unknown) or normal bahaviour. But I
found out about it by accident and have been looking for an explanation ever
since, but can't find it.

Here is how you reproduce it:

Set background-color of html-element to 'transparent'
set width of body element to anything smaller than the viewport and center
it (margin:0 auto;)
Make sure padding of body is 0
Apply a background color to the body element (for example red)

Now suddenly the whole background is red, in other words, the
background-color of the body element seeps into it's margins. But margins
are supposed to be transparent according to the spec (I can't find an
exception anywhere).

I tested this in IE7, FF2, Opera9 and Safari3, they all display this
behaviour making me think it is normal, but according to the spec margins
should always be transparent so what is going on here???

Bert


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