Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles [solved]
Many thanks to everybody who replied and helped with this. I've re-written the page, using floats instead of absolute positioning, and ems instead of percentages: http://www.peredur.net/swanwick It now doesn't need any conditional styles. It's not going to win any design awards, but it'll make a good demonstration, I think. Cheers, and thanks again, Peter http://www.peredur.net __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles [solved]
Peter Bradley wrote: Many thanks to everybody who replied and helped with this. I've re-written the page, using floats instead of absolute positioning, and ems instead of percentages: http://www.peredur.net/swanwick It now doesn't need any conditional styles. It's not going to win any design awards, but it'll make a good demonstration, I think. Cheers, and thanks again, Congrats, Peter. BTW, those writers sure look happy. Bill B __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles [solved]
Bill Braun wrote: Congrats, Peter. BTW, those writers sure look happy. Bill B Probably drunk. :) The presentation I'm doing is for their summer school this August, and is about Web pages for authors. Hopefully I'll be able to get them to approach their Web presence just as professionally as they approach their writing: rather than letting their niece put something up for them using Front Page, Because she's doing it at school. Cheers Peter __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles
David Hucklesby wrote: (snip) Phew! That's a relief. Many thanks for that, James. You learn something every day. I was beginning to doubt IETester, but clearly it's getting it right. Regarding the conditional comments, I thought that this issue had been fixed? There was a discussion about this on PositionIsEverthing[1] some years ago, which led to Tredosoft issuing these standalones along with automatic changes to the registry[2]. Not being sure what your setup is, I don't know if this is relevant - However, according to the Tredosoft site, Multiple IE does not work on Vista. [1] http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/multiIE.html [2] http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE Cordially, David My Multiple IE version sectors (conditional comments) were broken when I allowed IE8 to write over IE7. Not knowing much the registry I assume one fix is to uninstall and reinstall Multiple IE. -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles
Troy Harshman wrote: I played with your code for a few minutes and it appears that the IE6 conditional comments are working. I think your issue is related to browser resolution. It looks fine in IE6 at 1280x1024, but not at 1024x768. Firefox, it looks fine regardless of screen resolution. You also have another issue in IE6, the menus about double in width when you put the mouse over them. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ Thanks, Troy, sigh It gets worse, doesn't it? I've only ever seen the menu width changing on hover where the styles aren't recognised, but it must be more than that, obviously. I think it's time for a re-design. Cheers Peter __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles
Bill Braun wrote: Peter, I created a template that holds a whole bunch of pieces and parts for a site I am working on. You can include or exclude the different pieces/parts on each page as you wish. It should fit what you are doing, at least as a start. It plays nicely with IE5.5, 6, 7, and 8, FF, Safari, Chrome, and Opera (although it renders slightly differently on the IE browsers, it does not choke, blow up, or commit suicide). The documents are attached. Bill Thanks, Bill, that's very kind of you. Since it looks as though I have to do a redesign, they look like a good option. Cheers Peter __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles
Alan Gresley wrote: My Multiple IE version sectors (conditional comments) were broken when I allowed IE8 to write over IE7. Not knowing much the registry I assume one fix is to uninstall and reinstall Multiple IE. I think that's my problem. Installing IE8. I may try reinstalling MultipleIEs. Cheers Peter __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles
Troy Harshman wrote: I played with your code for a few minutes and it appears that the IE6 conditional comments are working. I think your issue is related to browser resolution. It looks fine in IE6 at 1280x1024, but not at 1024x768. Firefox, it looks fine regardless of screen resolution. You also have another issue in IE6, the menus about double in width when you put the mouse over them. Yup. I just reinstalled MultipleIE on my XP installation. That fixed the registry problem, but I can now see the issue that you mention. Like I said: time for a redesign. Floats? Absolute positioning wrt the viewport? So many decisions... Thanks Peter __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles
It's an issue with multipleIE, basically IE6 thinks that it's whatever version your native IE installation is when evaluating conditional styles because multiple IE doesn't change the IE version that's stored in your system registry. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Peter Bradley p.brad...@dsl.pipex.com wrote: I have a page at: http://www.peredur.net/swanwick The main stylesheet is at: http://www.peredur.net/swanwick/styles/styles.css There are two blocks of inline, conditional styles; one block for IE7 and one for IE6. IE7 picks up its styles fine, but IE6 doesn't appear to pick up those for IE6 - at least not when I use the MultipleIEs IE6 installation. In IETester, the rendering is fine on an IE6 tab. I don't have any other access to IE. Is there something I've missed concerning conditional styles that means that IE6 is ignoring the ones I've put in the file? The page's HTML is valid (per the w3c validator), as is the CSS. Many thanks in advance, Peter __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles
James White wrote: It's an issue with multipleIE, basically IE6 thinks that it's whatever version your native IE installation is when evaluating conditional styles because multiple IE doesn't change the IE version that's stored in your system registry. Phew! That's a relief. Many thanks for that, James. You learn something every day. I was beginning to doubt IETester, but clearly it's getting it right. Cheers Peter __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles
I happen to have IE6 on my computer at work. I'm going to be leaving shortly, but I took a look at your page and code quick. The page doesn't look the same in IE6 as it does in Firefox. The left and right navigation menus are both pushed a ways off the screen. Based on your IE6 conditional comments, it looks like they aren't coming through since it appears you set some left properties to fix the issue. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Peter Bradley p.brad...@dsl.pipex.com wrote: James White wrote: It's an issue with multipleIE, basically IE6 thinks that it's whatever version your native IE installation is when evaluating conditional styles because multiple IE doesn't change the IE version that's stored in your system registry. Phew! That's a relief. Many thanks for that, James. You learn something every day. I was beginning to doubt IETester, but clearly it's getting it right. Cheers Peter __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles
Troy Harshman wrote: I happen to have IE6 on my computer at work. I'm going to be leaving shortly, but I took a look at your page and code quick. The page doesn't look the same in IE6 as it does in Firefox. The left and right navigation menus are both pushed a ways off the screen. Based on your IE6 conditional comments, it looks like they aren't coming through since it appears you set some left properties to fix the issue. Oh dear! This is very odd. I just installed IE6 under WINE on my Ubuntu box. It picks up the conditional styles OK in that configuration. Why won't it just die! :) Anyone else got any ideas. I really don't know what to make of this, now. Cheers Peter __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles
Well, I also so happen to have IE6 still on my XP install (I dual-boot Vista and XP), which I didn't upgrade to use for testing. I'm still seeing the same behavior. However, I notice you're using absolute positioning for your navigation and such, which may be making things more difficult than they need to be. Is there a particular reason why you didn't use floats? Using percentages and such with absolute positioning just seems like a situation where you'll upset IE. If you want the navigation and content to flow a certain way without styles, then you could float the left nav and content (left) in a div and then float that entire div left and float the right nav to the right. So your markup would be right nav, left nav, and then content, with right nav alone and left nav and the content in a div.. I would think that would work. You'd need an extra div, but it may make life easier with cross-browser compatibility. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Peter Bradley p.brad...@dsl.pipex.com wrote: Troy Harshman wrote: I happen to have IE6 on my computer at work. I'm going to be leaving shortly, but I took a look at your page and code quick. The page doesn't look the same in IE6 as it does in Firefox. The left and right navigation menus are both pushed a ways off the screen. Based on your IE6 conditional comments, it looks like they aren't coming through since it appears you set some left properties to fix the issue. Oh dear! This is very odd. I just installed IE6 under WINE on my Ubuntu box. It picks up the conditional styles OK in that configuration. Why won't it just die! :) Anyone else got any ideas. I really don't know what to make of this, now. Cheers Peter __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles
Troy Harshman wrote: Well, I also so happen to have IE6 still on my XP install (I dual-boot Vista and XP), which I didn't upgrade to use for testing. I'm still seeing the same behavior. However, I notice you're using absolute positioning for your navigation and such, which may be making things more difficult than they need to be. Is there a particular reason why you didn't use floats? Using percentages and such with absolute positioning just seems like a situation where you'll upset IE. If you want the navigation and content to flow a certain way without styles, then you could float the left nav and content (left) in a div and then float that entire div left and float the right nav to the right. So your markup would be right nav, left nav, and then content, with right nav alone and left nav and the content in a div.. I would think that would work. You'd need an extra div, but it may make life easier with cross-browser compatibility. Thanks, Troy, Yeah. I'm sure it'd work. The only thing against it would be SEO. I may do that. This isn't for a real site. It's a demonstration for a presentation I'm doing to a writer's group, so I don't want anyone in the audience who's got IE6 on a laptop to suddenly stick a hand up and say, Hey! It doesn't work in IE6!. I may do both just to show the choices that are available. The real site that I took this from is the site of the group I'm giving the presentation to (http://www.wss.org.uk): so you'll see why it makes a good demonstration! Thing is, I suppose, is that it's not the CSS that upsets IE. It just doesn't see the CSS under some circumstances. Given IE's history with floats I may yet have the same problem with floats. I'll definitely give it a try, though. BTW, when you say you're still seeing the same behaviour, do you mean the Rendering correctly behaviour, or the Rendering incorrectly behaviour? I'm hoping the former, but fearing the latter. Thanks for the help. Cheers Peter http://www.peredur.net __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles
I played with your code for a few minutes and it appears that the IE6 conditional comments are working. I think your issue is related to browser resolution. It looks fine in IE6 at 1280x1024, but not at 1024x768. Firefox, it looks fine regardless of screen resolution. You also have another issue in IE6, the menus about double in width when you put the mouse over them. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 doesn't see styles
On 1/20/10 1:20 PM, Peter Bradley wrote: James White wrote: It's an issue with multipleIE, basically IE6 thinks that it's whatever version your native IE installation is when evaluating conditional styles because multiple IE doesn't change the IE version that's stored in your system registry. Phew! That's a relief. Many thanks for that, James. You learn something every day. I was beginning to doubt IETester, but clearly it's getting it right. Regarding the conditional comments, I thought that this issue had been fixed? There was a discussion about this on PositionIsEverthing[1] some years ago, which led to Tredosoft issuing these standalones along with automatic changes to the registry[2]. Not being sure what your setup is, I don't know if this is relevant - However, according to the Tredosoft site, Multiple IE does not work on Vista. [1] http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/multiIE.html [2] http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE Cordially, David -- __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
