Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[David Laakso]

David Laakso wrote:

>David Laakso wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Gosh...
>>>Let's kill that fox!
>>>
>>>...
>>>Georg
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>The prevailing winds have change hereabouts. Here are the 3 states of 
>the bug within a 15 minute time-span.
>...
>Since writing the above, I have re-named the thumbs in the footer(each 
>of the 3 sets are named differently now).
>This has slowed the frequency; however, multiple re-loading still 
>produces 3 different bug states as seen in the screen shots.
>
>I do not show the problem Georg reports in in xp_sp2 Moz 1.7.12 whatsoever
>
>URI:
> 
>
>Suggestions /or/ cards of sympathy are always appreciated :-D .
>  
>
Seems ff 1.5  just ain't too happy. I find these screen shots Tony 
Crockfor sent me off-list rather quaint :-P (thanks Tony).
http://www.dlaakso.com/sandbox/ScreenShot050.jpg
http://www.dlaakso.com/sandbox/ScreenShot050.jpg
Regards,
~dL

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Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[David Laakso]

David Laakso wrote:

> Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
>
>>
>> Gosh...
>> Let's kill that fox!
>>
>> - The page at David's site is fine in my Fox 1.5RC3.
>> - Not too good in Moz 1.7.12 on first load. 1 + 4 thumbs.
>> - Ok also in Moz after a reload.
>>
>> Definitely something up with that old gecko-engine...
>>
>> Georg
>>  
>>
The prevailing winds have change hereabouts. Here are the 3 states of 
the bug within a 15 minute time-span.



Only the /footer/ is affected on my end. Induced on re-load(sometimes 
hitting it several times). Closing the browser, or banging re-load 
clears it.
xp_sp2 ff 1.5rc3
I have had one exact  confirmation of this (same os/browser-- footer only).

Since writing the above, I have re-named the thumbs in the footer(each 
of the 3 sets are named differently now).
This has slowed the frequency; however, multiple re-loading still 
produces 3 different bug states as seen in the screen shots.

I do not show the problem Georg reports in in xp_sp2 Moz 1.7.12 whatsoever

URI:
 

Suggestions /or/ cards of sympathy are always appreciated :-D .

Best,
David


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Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[David Laakso]

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:

>BJ wrote:
>  
>
>>
>>
>>Y'all have sore heads yet on this one?
>>
>>
>
>Gosh...
>Let's kill that fox!
>
>- The page at David's site is fine in my Fox 1.5RC3.
>- Not too good in Moz 1.7.12 on first load. 1 + 4 thumbs.
>- Ok also in Moz after a reload.
>
>Definitely something up with that old gecko-engine...
>
>   Georg
>  
>
XP_SP2 Moz 1.7.12 Perfect. FF1.5 rc3 /was/ fine until the fox saw the 
hare(sunset)-- now footer thumbs goofy. And Rahul Gonsalves got this 
different version of the dilemma with the header going goofy in 1.5 

I gave it my best shot. Ingo gave it his best shot. Philippe gave it his 
best shot. Leonardo gave up and went home. I think I'll do the same. 
Enough is enough, already :-P .Revised header/footer with no thumbs in 
it is in order, me thinks...
David Laakso

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Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

BJ wrote:
> 
> 
> Y'all have sore heads yet on this one?

Gosh...
Let's kill that fox!

- The page at David's site is fine in my Fox 1.5RC3.
- Not too good in Moz 1.7.12 on first load. 1 + 4 thumbs.
- Ok also in Moz after a reload.

Definitely something up with that old gecko-engine...

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Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[BJ]

Y'all have sore heads yet on this one?


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Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[BJ]

"Anyone still seeing the thumbs at the top or bottom of the page lined up 
vertically /or/ on two rows instead of one row?"

They say a picture is worth a thousand words . . .




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Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

On 26 Nov 2005, at 12:19 am, David Laakso wrote:

 .

I'm a bit surprised as to what happens,... and I still can't reproduce 
it on my side.

Anyway, in the latest stylesheet, you had deleted the rules about 
display:table on div#header-minor, div#footer-minor, div#header, 
div#footer, but left the display:inline-table.
That last one is recognised by Opera and Safari, but not my Gecko. 
might cause problems and is *not* needed.

On guess as what may be the problem: the images have a size of 100px by 
100px, ** and ** are used multiple times: at the top of the page, in 
the side bar and at the bottom of the page. Maybe this is a cause of 
confusion somewhere for some browsers.

Using the code I suggested earlier (using display:table-cell for the 
thumbs at the top and bottom), and using resized images to 50px by 50px 
for the thumbs on top and bottom, I posted a testpage:

IE (m and w) gets the old rules (float:left;}, as they don't understand 
display:table-cell.



Can you, or anyone, still reproduce the problems ?
It works fine on OS X browsers (Opera 7.5, 8.5, Safari 1.3, Firefox 
1.07, 1.5, 1.6a1, iCab 3.0, IE mac)

I haven't tested IE W.

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Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[Rahul Gonsalves]

David:

David Laakso wrote:

>Thanks Philippe.
>Changes made as noted above.
>Both the top and bottom rows of thumbs are horizontal(as intended) on my 
>end.
>xp::i e6/ moz1.7.12/ ff1.5rc3/ opera9pre/ and debian v3.9ff.
>Anyone still seeing the thumbs at the top or bottom of the page lined up 
>vertically /or/ on two rows instead of one row?
>  
>
You're not going to like me too much. Am still seeing thumbs vertically 
in FF, slightly different from before.  Cleared cache, several times, 
cleared all session cookies, and whatnot, reloaded multiple times. 
Disabled all extensions, cleared all my "private data" and then loaded 
your page again. Was still able to reproduce the error. FF version as 
before. Screenshots attached as usual [1], and the bottom [2]. Opera is 
being nice to your page now though. :-)

Perhaps it's something to do with my machine though. I'm pretty sure 
it's not, but maybe somebody else could check on their RC3?

>Thanks,
>David
>
Rahul.


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Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[David Laakso]

Rahul Gonsalves wrote:

> Dear David:
> David Laakso wrote:
>
>>
> Opera [3] woes here [4]. I don't know whether you're looking at it 
> right now or not.
>
>> It is rendering correctly on this end in xp_sp2 ff1.5rc3, and same in 
>> browsercam. Confirmation and/or fix :-P (or new life on another 
>> planet) gratefully appreciated.
>> Best,
>> ~dL.
>>
> Warmly,
> Rahul.
>
> [1] Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8) 
> Gecko/2005 Firefox/1.5
> [2] http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/66780935/
> [3] Version: 9.0Build: 8031Platform: Win32System: Windows XP
> [4] http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/66780917/
>
Thank you, Rahul. I am putting up changes to the style sheet without 
checking on a local file first. I think you caught a set of rules that 
were not working.. Opera9pre with a reload should work as intended now.
Best,
David

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Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[David Laakso]

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:

>On 25 Nov 2005, at 9:41 pm, Ingo Chao wrote:
>
>  
>
>>>I have had (another) a report that the thumbnails are lining up
>>>vertically rather than horizontally on this turkey
>>>.
>>>~dL.
>>>
>>Me again with bad news. Today I could reproduce it with FF1.0.7 (fresh
>>install, new profile) and FF1.5RC3 WinXPSP2
>>
>>
>
>I still can't reproduce it on my side.
>Two little things
>1/ what is the reason for this div#header-minor, div#footer-minor, 
>div#header, div#footer { display: table;} ?
>  
>
1/  I have deleted the above ruleset.

>2/ add: div.gallery {border-collapse:collapse} -- 'separate' being the 
>default, that would guarantee that no 'cellspacing' is created.
>  
>
2/ I have added:
div.gallery {border-collapse:collapse}
to the style sheet

>And then 3:
>3/ alternative code for those thumbs:
>instead of floating those .thumbs, set them to display:table-cell.
>
>#header div.thumb, #footer div.thumb { background-color: #EA; 
>border: 3px double #ddd;  /*float: left; margin: 0 19px;*/ padding: 8px 
>8px 6px 8px!important; width: 50px; text-align: center; 
>display:table-cell}
>
>#header div.gallery, #footer div.gallery { display: table; width: 565px 
>!important; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0; text-align: center; 
>table-layout:fixed; border-collapse:separate; border-spacing: 34px 0; }
>
>In both cases additional rules at the end.
>
>Works fine in all decent browsers on OS X.
>  
>
3/ Including  the above alternative code caused the thumbs to line-up 
vertically in xp. The alternative code has been deleted from the style 
sheet.The thumbs are floated.

>
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>  
>
Thanks Philippe.
Changes made as noted above.
Both the top and bottom rows of thumbs are horizontal(as intended) on my 
end.
xp::i e6/ moz1.7.12/ ff1.5rc3/ opera9pre/ and debian v3.9ff.
Anyone still seeing the thumbs at the top or bottom of the page lined up 
vertically /or/ on two rows instead of one row?
Thanks,
David


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Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[Rahul Gonsalves]

Dear David:

David Laakso wrote:

>I have had (another) a report that the thumbnails are lining up 
>vertically rather than horizontally on this turkey 
>.
>  
>
Freshly installed 1.5rc3[1]. Thumbnails not only line up vertically, but 
are obscuring/obscured by main navigation links. Check screenshot here. [2]

>The person who wrote did not specify the os/browser. And has not 
>answered my request for same. I suspect it is FF1.0.7.
>
Opera [3] woes here [4]. I don't know whether you're looking at it right 
now or not.

> It is rendering 
>correctly on this end in xp_sp2 ff1.5rc3, and same in browsercam. 
>Confirmation and/or fix :-P (or new life on another planet) gratefully 
>appreciated.
>Best,
>~dL.
>
Warmly,
Rahul.

[1] Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8) 
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[2] http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/66780935/
[3] Version: 9.0Build: 8031Platform: Win32System: Windows XP
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Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

On 25 Nov 2005, at 9:41 pm, Ingo Chao wrote:

>> I have had (another) a report that the thumbnails are lining up
>> vertically rather than horizontally on this turkey
>> .
>> The person who wrote did not specify the os/browser. And has not
>> answered my request for same. I suspect it is FF1.0.7. It is rendering
>> correctly on this end in xp_sp2 ff1.5rc3, and same in browsercam.
>> Confirmation and/or fix :-P (or new life on another planet) gratefully
>> appreciated.
>> Best,
>> ~dL.
>>
>
> Me again with bad news. Today I could reproduce it with FF1.0.7 (fresh
> install, new profile) and FF1.5RC3 WinXPSP2

I still can't reproduce it on my side.
Two little things
1/ what is the reason for this div#header-minor, div#footer-minor, 
div#header, div#footer { display: table;} ?
2/ add: div.gallery {border-collapse:collapse} -- 'separate' being the 
default, that would guarantee that no 'cellspacing' is created.

And then 3:
3/ alternative code for those thumbs:
instead of floating those .thumbs, set them to display:table-cell.

#header div.thumb, #footer div.thumb { background-color: #EA; 
border: 3px double #ddd;  /*float: left; margin: 0 19px;*/ padding: 8px 
8px 6px 8px!important; width: 50px; text-align: center; 
display:table-cell}

#header div.gallery, #footer div.gallery { display: table; width: 565px 
!important; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0; text-align: center; 
table-layout:fixed; border-collapse:separate; border-spacing: 34px 0; }

In both cases additional rules at the end.

Works fine in all decent browsers on OS X.


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Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[David Laakso]

Ingo Chao wrote:

>David Laakso wrote:
>  
>
>>I have had (another) a report that the thumbnails are lining up 
>>vertically rather than horizontally on this turkey 
>>.
>>~dL.
>>
>Me again with bad news. Today I could reproduce it with FF1.0.7 (fresh 
>install, new profile) and FF1.5RC3 WinXPSP2
>http://www.dlaakso.com/blog/wordpress/?p=20
>http://www.dlaakso.com/blog/wordpress/?p=3#comments
>
>the thumbs below the comments section flip from one row to two rows and
>vice versa on reload/refresh (depending on your cache settings, maybe 
>clearing cache with cntrl+shift+del).
>
>See:  http://www.satzansatz.de/dl/dl1.jpg
>
>hmm. Is there life out there?
>
>Ingo
>
>  
>
I will try re-coding it. Not sure what that will do for mac/ie5.2 on 
zoom(Leonardo was getting clipped). And at this point, I am beginning to 
wonder if I care what happens as we travel forward or back through time 
and space to a world completely different from our own. It could be 
worse. Or could it?
Thank you, Ingo.
David

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Re: [css-d] ff bug::human or otherwise?

[Ingo Chao]

David Laakso wrote:
> I have had (another) a report that the thumbnails are lining up 
> vertically rather than horizontally on this turkey 
> .
> The person who wrote did not specify the os/browser. And has not 
> answered my request for same. I suspect it is FF1.0.7. It is rendering 
> correctly on this end in xp_sp2 ff1.5rc3, and same in browsercam. 
> Confirmation and/or fix :-P (or new life on another planet) gratefully 
> appreciated.
> Best,
> ~dL.
> 

Me again with bad news. Today I could reproduce it with FF1.0.7 (fresh 
install, new profile) and FF1.5RC3 WinXPSP2

go to the very end of these pages:

http://www.dlaakso.com/blog/wordpress/?p=20
http://www.dlaakso.com/blog/wordpress/?p=3#comments

the thumbs below the comments section flip from one row to two rows and
vice versa on reload/refresh (depending on your cache settings, maybe 
clearing cache with cntrl+shift+del).

See:  http://www.satzansatz.de/dl/dl1.jpg

hmm. Is there life out there?

Ingo

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