Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, Alan Gresley wrote I am not a programmer and I wouldn't know the first thing about building a UA since I not even sure what web language or languages are involved in the process. C++ -- Richard Mason http://www.emdpi.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On 12 January 2011 01:53, Duncan Hill dun...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:32:31 -, Rory Bernstein r...@rorybernstein.com wrote: Hello, When I have a series of fonts being called in a font-family rule, how do I know which one is the one being chosen? 'FireFontFamily' [1] addon for the Firebug [2] extension with FireFox [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/111672/ [2] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843/ Duncan Here is another Firefox Addon (Font Finder), which lets you click on elements and tells you the font being rendered. Also it allows you disable font families, which is useful when testing font stacks. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4415/ Regards, Ulrike __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote On Jan 13, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Richard Mason wrote: Speaking of CSS specs I'm always surprised that the spec authors don't get called out for the nonsense they put in them. A specification should tell an author (a programmer) what is required. It should not tell them how to do it or explain computer fundamentals, The CSS specs don't assume that Author = Programmer Author is commonly understood as 'someone who writes a stylesheet' (I bet that most people following css-d as not programmers) I bet they're not either, but the CSS specifications are actually Software Requirement Specifications aimed at programmers rather than 'your' author the style sheet producer. The specifications are written so that a programmer (software author) can write a browser that handles a 'sheet' written in a particular format and to a given set of rules. A programmer can produce a browser that handles a style sheet when they have the formal specification, and don't need a User Manual (a book on CSS). On the other hand people who do have a User Manual can produce perfectly correct style sheets without ever reading the formal specifications. -- Richard Mason http://www.emdpi.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
Ulrike Eikermann wrote: Here is another Firefox Addon (Font Finder), which lets you click on elements and tells you the font being rendered. Also it allows you disable font families, which is useful when testing font stacks. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4415/ What happens if font substition happens /within the element/. Ulrike : for example, if I write span style=font-family: ASCIIabcd天頂の囲碁1234/span and the font ASCII has only the 256 glyphs of the standard ASCII character set, the browser will be forced to use substitution for the Japanese characters, yet these do not form an element in their own right. Philip Taylor __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On 13/01/2011 10:16 PM, Richard Mason wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote The CSS specs don't assume that Author = Programmer Author is commonly understood as 'someone who writes a stylesheet' (I bet that most people following css-d as not programmers) I bet they're not either, but the CSS specifications are actually Software Requirement Specifications aimed at programmers rather than 'your' author the style sheet producer. The specifications are written so that a programmer (software author) can write a browser that handles a 'sheet' written in a particular format and to a given set of rules. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/about.html#reading | This specification has been written with two types of readers in mind: | CSS authors and CSS implementors. We hope the specification will provide | authors with the tools they need to write efficient, attractive, and | accessible documents, without overexposing them to CSS's implementation | details. Implementors, however, should find all they need to build | conforming user agents. The specification begins with a general | presentation of CSS and becomes more and more technical and specific | towards the end. BTW, I though this thread was about font. -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Jan 13, 2011, at 8:16 PM, Richard Mason wrote: I bet they're not either, but the CSS specifications are actually Software Requirement Specifications aimed at programmers rather than 'your' author the style sheet producer. ahem: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/about.html#reading [quote] This specification has been written with two types of readers in mind: CSS authors and CSS implementors. … [/quote] Whenever CSS specs docs refer to the people who build rendering engines, they talk about implementors Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On 12 January 2011 01:53, Duncan Hill dun...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:32:31 -, Rory Bernstein r...@rorybernstein.com wrote: Hello, When I have a series of fonts being called in a font-family rule, how do I know which one is the one being chosen? 'FireFontFamily' [1] addon for the Firebug [2] extension with FireFox [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/111672/ [2] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843/ Duncan Here is another Firefox Addon (Font Finder), which lets you click on elements and tells you the font being rendered. Also it allows you disable font families, which is useful when testing font stacks. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4415/ Regards, Ulrike This is a great add-on, I just installed it, and it seems to be just what I was looking for. Thank you so much for the info. Best, Rory __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Ulrike Eikermann wrote: Here is another Firefox Addon (Font Finder), which lets you click on elements and tells you the font being rendered. Also it allows you disable font families, which is useful when testing font stacks. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4415/ What happens if font substition happens /within the element/. Font Finder reports the font as being a declared one (the one that applies according to cascading rules), even it is in fact not used and cannot be used. By the way, if you install Font Finder without installing Firebug, then Font Finder superficially works but always reports the first font as being used, even if a font with that name does not exist in the system att. Apparently it relies on Firebug in finding out the cascade result. Ulrike : for example, if I write span style=font-family: ASCIIabcd天頂の囲碁1234/span and the font ASCII has only the 256 glyphs of the standard ASCII character set, the browser will be forced to use substitution for the Japanese characters, yet these do not form an element in their own right. And even if you wrap them inside an inner span element, Font Finder reports ASCII as being in use for the inner element, even though the element contains no character representable in the font. But if I copy and paste the text in WordPad, it tells me that the font actually used is (in this case) MS PGothic. This is not surprising, as that happens to be the default sans-serif font for Japanese characters in my Firefox. -- Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: And even if you wrap them inside an inner span element, Font Finder reports ASCII as being in use for the inner element, even though the element contains no character representable in the font. Argh : a potentially useful tool, perhaps, but by no means a perfect one. Philip Taylor -- Not sent from my i-Pad, i-Phone, Blackberry, Blueberry, or any such similar poseurs' toy, none of which would I be seen dead with even if they came free with every packet of cornflakes. __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Alan Gresley wrote http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/about.html#reading | This specification has been written with two types of readers in mind: | CSS authors and CSS implementors. We hope the specification will provide | authors with the tools they need to write efficient, attractive, and | accessible documents, without overexposing them to CSS's implementation | details. Implementors, however, should find all they need to build | conforming user agents. The specification begins with a general | presentation of CSS and becomes more and more technical and specific | towards the end. I said the specs were 'aimed' at programmers, not 'exclusive to'. Your quote confirms this: Implementors, however, should find all they need to build conforming user agents. So, a Software Requirement Specification also made available to CSS authors -- Richard Mason http://www.emdpi.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On 14/01/2011 10:48 AM, Richard Mason wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Alan Gresley wrote http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/about.html#reading | This specification has been written with two types of readers in mind: | CSS authors and CSS implementors. We hope the specification will provide | authors with the tools they need to write efficient, attractive, and | accessible documents, without overexposing them to CSS's implementation | details. Implementors, however, should find all they need to build | conforming user agents. The specification begins with a general | presentation of CSS and becomes more and more technical and specific | towards the end. I said the specs were 'aimed' at programmers, not 'exclusive to'. No, the spec is aimed equally to both authors and UA implementers. I as an author became better at CSS by reading the specs. I as a CSS tester became better in testing the implementations by reading the specs. I as a CSS WG list contributor became better at giving feedback on the specs by reading the specs. I am not a programmer and I wouldn't know the first thing about building a UA since I not even sure what web language or languages are involved in the process. -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Richard Mason whitne...@xtra.co.nz wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote If you want/need to know the aspect ratio of a font, this service can help (for fonts installed on your local drives): http://fontdeck.com/font-size-adjust.html or this page: http://brunildo.org/test/fontlist3.html Both wrong because the aspect ratio of a font is not fixed but varies with font size. At http://www.emdpi.com/cssfontsizeadjust.html I have a download with graphs of aspect ratio v font size (10px to 50px) for a number of fonts. Yes, the computation of the aspect ratio gives results depending on the size. But this does not mean that such computations are wrong. Most of the oscillations observed starting from small sizes are caused by the inevitable fact that fonts are rendered on a discrete grid with very few pixels. I think that what is usually called 'aspect ratio' (without size specification) is the ideal ratio, when the font is rendered on a sufficiently fine grid. Indeed if you extend the computation of your graphs to higher sizes the oscillations reduce. In addition to the page mentioned by Philippe, I also have this ones [1], [2], where you can produce graphs similar to yours (they require a browser with correct support of em, Gecko 1.9 and also IE 9 seems working fine. The oscillations smooth out if you go till something like 1000px). The oscillations observed at small font-sizes probably reduce the usefulness of font-size-adjust at that sizes, but does not necessarily mean that is useless or that it must be fed values depending on the size (Moreover as technology improve and physical pixels density increase, we will hopefully have to work in a range where the oscillations of the above graphs are smaller). Regards, Bruno [1] http://brunildo.org/test/x-height-compare.html [2] http://brunildo.org/test/normal-lh-plot.html -- Bruno Fassino http://www.brunildo.org/test __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Bruno Fassino wrote Yes, the computation of the aspect ratio gives results depending on the size. But this does not mean that such computations are wrong. I'm not sure I understand that sentence, but I think you would agree that it is desirable to state in information sources on this topic that x-height varies with font size, and a reason why as you have indicated. From there one could perhaps reasonably say that it isn't particularly important, and if the value can not be deduced the browser invents one but I certainly don't think that sources should invent values, like the CSS spec used to, and say they are fixed. People read these documents, take the false data as fact carved in stone, and then repeat it in books and articles that are read for years. Speaking of CSS specs I'm always surprised that the spec authors don't get called out for the nonsense they put in them. A specification should tell an author (a programmer) what is required. It should not tell them how to do it or explain computer fundamentals, unless there is a really special need to do so. You shouldn't expect to have to explain to a programmer how to do their job any more than you would ask a skilled carpenter to make a cabinet and then insist on telling them what a tape measure is and how to use it. We have this in the CSS Fonts Module Level 3 3.7 Relative sizing: the ‘font-size-adjust’ property Authors can calculate the aspect value for a given font by comparing spans with the same content but different font-size-adjust properties. If the same font-size is used, the spans will match when the font-size-adjust value is accurate for the given font. True? Possibly. But no competent programmer in their right mind would get values this way when the Operating System API's will give them the answer directly. -- Richard Mason http://www.emdpi.com __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Jan 13, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Richard Mason wrote: Speaking of CSS specs I'm always surprised that the spec authors don't get called out for the nonsense they put in them. A specification should tell an author (a programmer) what is required. It should not tell them how to do it or explain computer fundamentals, The CSS specs don't assume that Author = Programmer Author is commonly understood as 'someone who writes a stylesheet' (I bet that most people following css-d as not programmers) Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Richard Mason whitne...@xtra.co.nz wrote: I'm not sure I understand that sentence, but I think you would agree that it is desirable to state in information sources on this topic that x-height varies with font size, and a reason why as you have indicated. From there one could perhaps reasonably say that it isn't particularly important, and if the value can not be deduced the browser invents one but I certainly don't think that sources should invent values, like the CSS spec used to, and say they are fixed. People read these documents, take the false data as fact carved in stone, and then repeat it in books and articles that are read for years. I don't think that in this particular case the CSS specs are giving so false data. It's common to speak of x-height ratio as a font unique ratio, see for example this definition [1], with its detail typically with 1000 or 2048 units to the Em. The oscillations that we see at small font sizes are a sort of accident, caused by limitations imposed by a coarse grid, which may or may not be important. Regards, Bruno [1] http://typophile.com/node/12028 -- Bruno Fassino http://www.brunildo.org/test __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
Rory Bernstein wrote: When I have a series of fonts being called in a font-family rule, how do I know which one is the one being chosen? You don't, unless JavaScript can tell you (see below). On this page: http://mcgivney.ehclients.com/locations/ The font should be the Titillium for the whole page, but of course it gets complicated when there are browsers that cannot show this font and it falls back to the next font in the stack, which is Tahoma, then Arial. How do I know which one the browser is giving me? Unless JavaScript can disclose the answer, I fear that you can't. Are there any places on the above URL where it is NOT showing Titillium? In some browser, under some operating system, when the moon is in the ascendant and Jupiter aligns with Mars, almost certainly. In my browser, under Win/XP;SP3, I still don't know, since I don't know what Titillium looks like and I don't know if I'd be able to visually differentiate between it and a substitute. I'll be very happy to send you a screenshot (or a PDF) if you think that might help, but my honest suggestion is stop worrying. CSS is about suggestions, not rules. Philip Taylor __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On 1/11/11 2:32 PM, Rory Bernstein wrote: Hello, When I have a series of fonts being called in a font-family rule, how do I know which one is the one being chosen? On this page: http://mcgivney.ehclients.com/locations/ The font should be the Titillium for the whole page, but of course it gets complicated when there are browsers that cannot show this font and it falls back to the next font in the stack, which is Tahoma, then Arial. How do I know which one the browser is giving me? Are there any places on the above URL where it is NOT showing Titillium? Thanks! Rory Titillium has easily distinguishable glyphs that are easily distinguishable from Tahoma/Arial-- it sometimes helps to use +2 font-scaling if you have set the fonts smaller than default. @fontface is well supported [assuming you have set it correctly ] in IE 6/7/8 and among the current versions of compliant browsers, including IE9. @fontface is not supported in Camino -- but then you already new that -- nor, in earlier versions of browsers prior to the introduction of the CSS @fontface module. Titillium http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/TitilliumText Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On 1/11/11 3:10 PM, Rory Bernstein wrote: On Jan 11, 2011, at 3:08 PM, David Laakso wrote: On 1/11/11 2:32 PM, Rory Bernstein wrote: Hello, When I have a series of fonts being called in a font-family rule, how do I know which one is the one being chosen? On this page: http://mcgivney.ehclients.com/locations/ The font should be the Titillium for the whole page, but of course it gets complicated when there are browsers that cannot show this font and it falls back to the next font in the stack, which is Tahoma, then Arial. How do I know which one the browser is giving me? Are there any places on the above URL where it is NOT showing Titillium? Thanks! Rory Titillium has easily distinguishable glyphs that are easily distinguishable from Tahoma/Arial-- it sometimes helps to use +2 font-scaling if you have set the fonts smaller than default. @fontface is well supported [assuming you have set it correctly ] in IE 6/7/8 and among the current versions of compliant browsers, including IE9. @fontface is not supported in Camino -- but then you already new that -- nor, in earlier versions of browsers prior to the introduction of the CSS @fontface module. Titillium http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/TitilliumText Best, ~d David, can you tell me how to use +2 font scaling? What does that mean? Thanks for your reply, very helpful as always. Rory It means make the type bigger so that you can see it and read it more easily [ and so that you can play god and break nearly every site on the Web when doing so:-) ]. Fron the keyboard: PC Press the ctrl key and bang the +[plus] key 2 or 3 times Mac Press the apple key and bang the +[plus] key 2 or 3 times IE Depends on version, IE6 is: ViewText SizeLargest Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:32 AM, Rory Bernstein wrote: On this page: http://mcgivney.ehclients.com/locations/ The font should be the Titillium for the whole page, but of course it gets complicated when there are browsers that cannot show this font and it falls back to the next font in the stack, which is Tahoma, then Arial. How do I know which one the browser is giving me? Why do you worry so hard about the font the browser will actually see ? As Philip noted, Css is a bout suggestions… The best you can do is provide adequate fall-back fonts; ideally, you'd use a fall-back font with similar metrics (esp aspect-ratio) – insuring a similar flow of text on the page. If you want/need to know the aspect ratio of a font, this service can help (for fonts installed on your local drives): http://fontdeck.com/font-size-adjust.html or this page: http://brunildo.org/test/fontlist3.html The second one needs Flash installed. Best, most accurate results with a Gecko 1.9.0 or newer browser in both cases. Opera returns bogus results last I checked. For fonts not installed locally, the font-squirel generator informs you of the aspect-ratio of the fonts when uploading: http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontface/generator PS - Titillium displays quite poorly on windows XP computers with ClearType turned off. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:32:31 -, Rory Bernstein r...@rorybernstein.com wrote: Hello, When I have a series of fonts being called in a font-family rule, how do I know which one is the one being chosen? On this page: http://mcgivney.ehclients.com/locations/ The font should be the Titillium for the whole page, but of course it gets complicated when there are browsers that cannot show this font and it falls back to the next font in the stack, which is Tahoma, then Arial. How do I know which one the browser is giving me? 'FireFontFamily' [1] addon for the Firebug [2] extension with FireFox [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/111672/ [2] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843/ Duncan __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote If you want/need to know the aspect ratio of a font, this service can help (for fonts installed on your local drives): http://fontdeck.com/font-size-adjust.html or this page: http://brunildo.org/test/fontlist3.html Both wrong because the aspect ratio of a font is not fixed but varies with font size. At http://www.emdpi.com/cssfontsizeadjust.html I have a download with graphs of aspect ratio v font size (10px to 50px) for a number of fonts. -- Richard Mason http://www.emdpi.com __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Richard Mason wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote If you want/need to know the aspect ratio of a font, this service can help (for fonts installed on your local drives): http://fontdeck.com/font-size-adjust.html or this page: http://brunildo.org/test/fontlist3.html Both wrong because the aspect ratio of a font is not fixed but varies with font size. At http://www.emdpi.com/cssfontsizeadjust.html I have a download with graphs of aspect ratio v font size (10px to 50px) for a number of fonts. Both services will give you an idea of how the aspect-ratio of the fallback font will relate to the first-choice font. That is the point. Without using font-size adjust, it doesn't matter much beyond that (and even with font-size-adjust, it doesn't really matter). Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Richard Mason wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote If you want/need to know the aspect ratio of a font, this service can help (for fonts installed on your local drives): http://fontdeck.com/font-size-adjust.html or this page: http://brunildo.org/test/fontlist3.html Both wrong because the aspect ratio of a font is not fixed but varies with font size. At http://www.emdpi.com/cssfontsizeadjust.html I have a download with graphs of aspect ratio v font size (10px to 50px) for a number of fonts. Both services will give you an idea of how the aspect-ratio of the fallback font will relate to the first-choice font. That is the point. Without using font-size adjust, it doesn't matter much beyond that (and even with font-size-adjust, it doesn't really matter). Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ Thank you everyone for all the info about fallback fonts, aspect-ratios and lots of stuff that overwhelms me! I will look into those firebug add-ons. I appreciate all the feedback about my font issue. Rory __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] what font is being called?
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote Both services will give you an idea of how the aspect-ratio of the fallback font will relate to the first-choice font. That is the point. Without using font-size adjust, it doesn't matter much beyond that (and even with font-size-adjust, it doesn't really matter). OK, so next time instead of: If you want/need to know the aspect ratio of a font, this service can help You could say: If you want/need to know the aspect ratio of a font, both services can help you get the completely false idea of how the aspect-ratio of the fallback font will relate to the first-choice font, but it doesn't matter so I wouldn't bother anyway. Interesting :-) -- Richard Mason http://www.emdpi.com __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
