Re: [CTRL] To your corners......
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- By arguing and quibbling over small details, you are playing into the hands of the conspirators. Now that's a novel argument...which must surely have been designed by the conspirators to create more division by prompting people such as myself to question your motives by trying to direct people away from seeking out the complete truth Small details (in the grand perspective) like who belongs to what "cult" and details of religious practice, are red herrings, designed BY the people who perpetuated the crimes against the Branch Davidians, in order to keep you from focusing on the important matters, exposing the criminals and bringing them to justice. Tenorlove A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] J Hurtak Egyptian videos
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- http://www.globalvision.omcs.com.au/et_enoch.htm http://www.globalvision.omcs.com.au/et_hurtak.htm Dr. Hurtak is a lecturer well known for his work over the past 25years in exploring and documenting UFO experiences. Currently he is President of the Academy for Future Scientist. Among his numerouslectures on UFO's and Extraterrestrial Contact, he spoke at the leading conference of top Government-related specialists, seen by many as the most important to date in Washington D.C. entitled 'When Cosmic Cultures Meet' (1995). Dr. Hurtak was the first to release information on pyramidal landformson Mars (1973) and the Mars' sphinx face (1976) in worldwide lecturesand news reports. As early as 1975, he released pictures and informationon ET bodies at special international press conferences. In this video James Hurtak reveals . . . * What studies of ancient Egypt can reveal about alien civilisations and their activities on earth * How the art of ancient South American nations features sculptures of aliens * What the bible says about the existence of aliens * How NASA photos reveal the presence of aliens when man walked on the moon * What information and technology was given to us by aliens in the famed Roswell crash * Detailed sketches and design drawings of a German-built space ship, tested in 1945 * How this craft and many other were made with the assistance of aliens * Evidence of a UFO crash in Germany two years before Roswell * A hypothetical organisational structure for systematic UFO research and development in the US, made up of government and private organisations * How 'people' from several alien races are living and working on earth * A profile of the Greys, the most common form of alien reported in abduction cases * Profiles of other alien races, what they look like and how they behave * The meaning behind 'the Face on Mars' and the red planet's series of pyramids * And much, much more Running Time: 77 Minutes Extraterrestrial and Ultraterrestrial Realities for the Future.US$45 Also see: From Egypt to Enoch - Part 1 presented by James Hurtak From Egypt to Enoch - Part 2 presented by James Hurtak From Egypt to Enoch - Part 2 presented by James Hurtak In this video James Hurtak explains: * Why Egypt holds the keys to the opening of the planet * Egypt as the Third Eye Chakra of the planet * The importance of the Nag Hammadi texts * How Egypt is a symbol of human experiments * Why scientists will gather in Egypt in the future * How American, Chinese and Aboriginal Australian history will be connected to a greater higher temple of science and spirituality in the future * The sacred Egyptian secrets imparted to Moses * Why the Greys have come and why they are involved in mutilation of cows, women and children * Why Divine Science is the missing link in the evolution of our planet * The recent discoveries of further causeways and underground systems at the pyramid * USs extensive underground facilities in Greenland * How South Africa, Argentina and the Germans were involved in building underground silos Contains 25 slides of pyramid structures, maps and recent archaeological discoveries. Duration: 26 minutes From Egypt to Enoch Part 2 US$28.00 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SNET: PEPIS #18 - Danish may outlaw Bilderberg attendance (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- visit my web site at www.voicenet.com/~wbacon -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:47:34 + From: Tony Gosling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: PEPIS #18 - Danish may outlaw Bilderberg attendance - SNETNEWS Mailing List // Power Elite Public Information Service - www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm#pepis PLEASE FORWARD TO NEWSGROUPS AND ANYONE YOU FEEL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS INFORMATION This is an occasional free email list as part of the campaign for accountability and press access to Bilderberg and similar elite meetings. See www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm for more info. To subscribe or unsubscribe send me [EMAIL PROTECTED] an email with PEPIS in the subject header. This list archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/PEPIS@marsbard.com and http://www.egroups.com/list/PEPIS/ \\ This article posted at http://www.bilderberg.org/2000.htm The Danish Newspaper Politiken: http://www.pol.dk Showdown with secret power groups By Jens Kerte The Net version Saturday Mars 18th 2000 Politiken Sunday: Danish ministers and top civil servants must have a prohibition against participating in secret masonic-like meeting, the Party List of Unity means. The Party List of Unity has proposed a bill of decision in the Danish Parlament. (quote) "In such secret meetings as the meting of the Bilderberg Group the power brokers coordinate their views and cover up for each other", Frank Aaen from the Party List Of Unity means, and says : "when it takes place in deepest secrecy it is a scandal that ministers at high level has participated without any democratic insight".(unquote) More members of the EURO-Parlament and Folketinget (The Danish Parlament) insist on that the participation of Danish ministers and European Commissioners in high political discussions in the yearly, closed conferences of the private, so-called Bilderberg Group beeing brought to light. Ritt and Uffe For the last few years both the former Minister of Foreign Affairs of (the Party) Liberal Left Uffe Ellemann-Jensen and the former EU-Commissioner Ritt Bjerregaard (the Socialdemocratic Party) have participated in these two-days conferences, where the participants are instructed confidentiality. Prime Minister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen (the Socialdemocratic Party) gives an answer to one of the written questions on this matter, that there have never been any decision of the government about Bilderberg. On this background among other things the Prime Minister says that he does not see any (quote) "basis to criticise, if Danish ministers have participated in the so-called Bilderberg Meetings." (unquote) Several invited to the Bilderberg Meetings Uffe Ellemann-Jensen has since 1984 been present at the confidential discussions of Bilderberg eight times the information of Politiken shows, while Ritt Bjerregaard participated as newly fledged EU-Commissioner Of Environment in 1995. All in all a dozen of Danish ministers have participated since the first meeting in 1954. Neither Uffe Ellemann-Jensen nor Ritt Bjerregaard briefed the Tribunal Of Foreign Affairs or their Parlamentary Chiefs about their participation. Unformal discussions Their comments to Politiken is the following: (quote) "There was no need caused by the simple reason that there was no talk of that Denmark in any way was getting bound of the unformal debate", (unquote) says Uffe Ellemann-Jensen. "I have not briefed anybody about my participation, because Bilderberg is a Think Tank that cannot make any decisions at all. There is no basis of being concerned about that people meet and talk to each other" (unquote), says Ritt Bjerregaard. Seven of the present 20 EU-Commissioners have during the last few years been connected to Bilderberg, and in the EURO-Parlament The Greens have been working for, that these relations now is broad to the public knowledge. The commisioners in question continuing deny to tell, what they have been discussing on the Bilderberg meetings. Translated by Joern E. Vig, Denmark http://www.united-bluff.com/indexd.htm The Bilderberg Meeting started in 1954 as a forum for secret political discussions between topfolks within Politics, Finances and Industry from the NATO-members. Original the idea on the private conferencesto discuss strategies against the international socialism. Among the originators to the Bilderberg Group was Prince Bernard of Holland. POLITIKEN You might also want to look at a new article - also from Danish newspaper - on the Trilateral Commission http://www.bilderberg.org/trilat.htm#April
[CTRL] SNET: Members of Congress who are CFR/TLC (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- visit my web site at www.voicenet.com/~wbacon -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:30:49 -0500 From: Chester L McWhorter Sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: SNET NEWS Ntwk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: Members of Congress who are CFR/TLC - SNETNEWS Mailing List PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ALL ON YOUR MAILING LIST WHO MAY BE INTERESTED. Subject: CFR/TLC Members Inter-relationships. Part One of Three. Tuesday, March 21, 2000. 12:13:23. Part one will address The White House Staff, The Cabinet, The Supreme Court, and The U.S. Senate. Part two will address The U. S. House of Representatives. Part three will address miscellaneous but well known names. Now that we have had time to "ingest" the four parts of New Government by the UN/CFR/TLC, previously furnished, included herein is a narrative on who are members of which organizations and their inter-relationships. This list will address only current membership and ex-membership in The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and The Tri Lateral Commission (TLC). This list will show those who act as liaison between the different groups. We will start with: THE WHITE HOUSE: William Jefferson Clinton, President. Mbr CFR. Ex-mbr TLC. Albert Gore Jr, Vice President. Mbr CFR (not on published mbrshp list however his staff insists he is). George Tenet, Dir CIA. Mbr CFR. Samuel Berger, Dir, Nat'l Security Council. Mbr CFR. Charlene Barshefsky, U.S. Trade Representative. Mbr CFR. THE CABINET: William S Cohen, Sec of Defense. Mbr CFR. General Henry Hugh Shelton, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, OJCS. Mbr CFR. William B (Bill) Richardson, Sec, Dept of Energy Sec, New Dept of Nuclear Security. Mbr CFR. Donna E Shalala, Sec, Dept of Health Human Services. Mbr CFR. Ex-mbr TLC. Bruce Babbitt, Sec, Dept of Interior. Mbr CFR. Ex-mbr TLC. Madeleine Albright, Sec, Dept of State. Mbr CFR. Ex-mbr TLC. Strobe Talbot, Depty Sec, Dept of State. Mbr CFR. Ex-mbr TLC. Richard C Holbrooke, Dept of State, Amb to UN, Ex-amb to Germany. Ex-Asst Sec of State for: Canadian European affairs; East Asian Pacific affairs. Mbr CFR. Ex-mbr TLC. Thomas S Foley, Amb to Japan. Ex-U.S. Hse of Reps. Mbr CFR. Steven W Bosworth, Amb to S. Korea. Mbr CFR. Robert E Rubin, Sec, Dept of Treasury. Mbr CFR. Togo D West Jr, Sec, Dept of Veterans Affairs. Mbr CFR. THE U. S. SUPREME COURT: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Associate Justice. Mbr CFR. Stephen Breyer, Associate Justice. Mbr CFR. Note: Only those justices appointed by William Jefferson Clinton are members of subject groups. THE U. S. SENATE: John H Chafee. R-RI. (dec). Mbr CFR. Christopher J Dodd. D-CT. Mbr CFR. Dianne Feinstein. D-CA. Mbr TLC. Bob Graham. D-FL. Mbr CFR. Chuck Hagel. R-NE. Mbr CFR. John F Kerry. D-MA. Mbr CFR. Joseph I Liebermann. D-CT. Mbr CFR. John S McCain, III. R-AZ. Mbr CFR. Daniel Patrick Moynihan. D-NY. Mbr CFR. Charles S Robb. D-VA. Mbr CFR. Mbr TLC. John D Rockefeller IV. D-WV. Founder, Member, Director of TLC. Mbr of CFR. William V Roth Jr. R-DE. Mbr CFR. Mbr TLC. Charles E Shumer. D-NY. Mbr CFR. Olympia J Snowe. R-ME. Mbr CFR. Robert G Torricelli. D-NJ. Mbr CFR. John W Warner. R-VA. Mbr CFR. It is interesting to note that the "general" voting pattern of the listed individuals above is towards more infringement upon our individual rights as citizens living under the umbrella of a Constitution which guarantees us certain inalienable rights that come from a supreme being. You will note also that nearly all of them tend to vote more and more restrictions against the Second Amendment and the Citizens who wish to exercise their rights under that amendment! Some of these folks are absolutely insane in their fanatical assault upon our 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 10th amendments to the Constitution, comprising part of the first 10 amendments, our "Bill of Rights". The United Nations has as one of its main goals, the total elimination of any type of firearm by anyone in this country except the Military Armed Forces! This includes the disarming of all citizens, including all police forces, other than the UN Military Police! You are welcome to forward this document to everyone on your mailing list in the hopes of letting the people of this nation know just how superb a job the CFR and the TLC have been doing in destroying this nation as a free and sovereign nation. Again, I remind you that the TLC stated in 1973 when it was formed that it would have a one world government in this country under the dictatorship of the UN! They are doing an excellent job with the help of those listed above. Chester L McWhorter Sr, 504 N. Brighton Rd, Lecanto, Florida. CSA. 34461. Ph:352-344-9073. Fax: Same. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine, and other publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for
[CTRL] Sacred white buffalo killed
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Sacred white buffalo killed BY JODI RAVE LEE Lincoln Journal Star http://www.journalstar.com/archives/032400/neb/stox When Joe Merrival was called to the scene of a buffalo shooting on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation recently, he stared in disbelief -- not far away lay his sacred buffalo, its throat slit, its hide tattered. Medicine Wheel had been the first white buffalo born on Indian lands in more than a century. "I just felt, "Oh no, it's the white buffalo,'" Merrival said Thursday. "I tried to control myself. My mind went blank actually. I didn't want to say anything wrong, so I just said, "It's the white buffalo.'" Born May 9, 1996, the white calf was immediately viewed as a symbol of hope, rebirth and unity for numerous Great Plains tribes. "For us, this would be something like coming to see Jesus lying in the manger," Floyd Hand Looks For Buffalo said shortly after Medicine Wheel's birth. Today, the calf's death comes amid turmoil and chaos on Pine Ridge, where internal and external pressures have rocked its 20,000 Oglala Lakota for much of the past year. Throughout last summer, demonstrators marched on nearby Whiteclay, Neb., protesting beer sales and a spate of unsolved Indian murders. And for the past 68 days, another group has occupied the tribal administration building. The buffalo's death is a sign that life for American Indian people will get worse before it gets better, said Looks for Buffalo, a spokesman for the takeover group Grassroots Oyate. According to a tribal police report, Pine Ridge's symbol of hope and unity died just after 8 p.m. Sunday, when police officer Alex Morgan spotted the animal running down a road near the Red Cloud community. Morgan and tribal member Leon Poor Bear pursued the animal, which ran into a yard. "We tried to chase it back down the road, but it would put down his head and charge us," Morgan wrote in his report. "I told Leon to shoot the buffalo for the safety of the community." When Merrival found the buffalo's body later that night, it appeared someone had started to butcher it, he said: its throat was slit and its hide scarred from being dragged down a gravel road. The rare animal's significance is rooted in Lakota oral history, which tells the story of a holy woman visiting one of their villages. She taught them their seven sacred ceremonies and their four great virtues: courage, wisdom, generosity and fortitude. Before she left, she told the people not to worry, that she would return one day, and that a sign of her arrival would be a white buffalo calf. A version of the prophecy predicts the calf will be born white but will change in color -- to black, to yellow, to red and back to white -- as it matures, Merrival said. Medicine Wheel was in the black phase. When Medicine Wheel was born, doubt existed whether the animal was 100 percent bison. Tests from Storemont Laboratory in Woodland, Calif., however, proved it to be pure. Now that the animal is dead, Merrival will use its hair and bones "for spiritual purposes," sharing the parts with as many people as he can. After that, "I'll put it back into the pasture to where it was born." Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Do not be an embodier of fame
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "DIG alfred webre" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do not be an embodier of fame; do not be a storehouse of schemes; do not be an undertaker of projects; do not be a proprietor of wisdom. Embody to the fullest what has no end and wander where there is no trail. Hold on to all that you have received from Heaven but do not think you have gotten anything. Be empty, that is all. The Perfect Man uses his mind like a mirror---going after nothing, welcoming nothing, responding but not storing. Therefore he can win out over things and not hurt himself. -- Chuang Tzu And what, pray tell, does the above have to do with Conspiracy Theory Research? June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ali at the Gates of Hell and marshmallows come to mind...
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "Tara" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't honour any nation. I honour only God. And yes, all of the nations of the world are Satanic, just as those who call themselves Christ and are not the only-begotten Son of God. [snip] CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing! What is it about the above paragraph you don't understand, as evidenced by your post in the first paragraph? (another one for the 'kill' file) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Autoreply: Re: [CTRL] Forwarded Post
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- So busy worrying about bringing more children into the world so that many do not have to worry about taking care of the adults. I guess since they are surplus - it has to be all right? How about not worrying about that so much - I do assume that you eat chicken eggs - the unborn young, put a specific date of being human, define what a human is that makes us different from an ant type society, and make a commitment to the ones already born or to be born that they will live in the highest values of Humanity. I do not like what happened because they were Sadist not Satanist, Christians, or anything else. they were Sadistic in their dealings with other life forms and seemed to advocate an ant type society. considering who Koresh's mentors and supporters seem to have been Bush Sr. his whelps - who supported Hitler and I assume the snuff films that are happening over there now. Clinton, Bill - who likes children, since it seems that most others see through him. Clinton, Hillary - who does what ever she thinks it takes Moral, she left those a long time ago Dole and Gore - who are trying to get in good by using things like Coors. Reno - Sadist in training. Considering the line up I assume that there had to be CIA agents there too. Blame the FBI? And it seems if you have CIA you have soviets the sadist soviets at least. Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "Tara" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hate to burst the bubble you live in Ali, but the United States and Canada are not (at least now) in any way, shape, or form even Christian-like. Canada might be considered a Koreshian-like country, since we do kill our own children (unborn, though, unlike that cult, which didn't seem to be picky). The 'cult', as you deem it, never killed children, nor was ever even accused of killing children. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mark Twain - Stirring Times in Austria
http://www2.h-net.msu.edu/~habsweb/sourcetexts/twain1.htm Title: Stirring Times in Austria "Stirring Times in Austria" by Mark Twain [This article first appeared in Harper's New Monthly Magazine for March, 1898 (Volume 96), pp. 530-40.] I. THE GOVERNMENT IN THE FRYING-PAN Here in Vienna in these closing days of 1897 one's blood gets no chance to stagnate. The atmosphere is brimful of political electricity. All conversation is political; every man is a battery, with brushes over-worn, and gives out blue sparks when you set him going on the common topic. Everybody has an opinion, and lets you have it frank and hot, and out of this multitude of counsel you get merely confusion and despair. For no one really understands this political situation, or can tell you what is going to be the outcome of it. Things have happened here recently which would set any country but Austria on fire from end to end, and upset the government to a certainty; but no one feels confident that such results will follow here. Here, apparently, one must wait and see what will happen, then he will know, and not before; guessing is idle; guessing cannot help the matter. This is what the wise tell you; they all say it; they say it every day, and it is the sole detail upon which they all agree. There is some approach to agreement upon another point: that there will be no revolution. Men say: "Look at our history: revolutions have not been in our line; and look at our political map: its construction is unfavorable to an organized uprising, and without unity what could a revolt accomplish? It is disunion which has held our empire together for centuries, and what it has done in the past it may continue to do now and in the future." The most intelligible sketch I have encountered of this unintelligible arrangement of things was contributed to the Traveler's Record by Mr. Forrest Morgan, of Hartford, three years ago. He says: The Austro-Hungarian Monarchy is the patchwork quilt, the Midway Plaisance, the national chain-gang of Europe; a state that is not a nation but a collection of nations, some with national memories and aspirations and others without, some occupying distinct provinces almost purely their own, and others mixed with alien races, but each with a different language, and each mostly holding the others foreigners as much as if the link of a common government did not exist. Only one of its races even now comprises so much as one-fourth of the whole, and not another so much as one-sixth; and each has remained for ages as unchanged in isolation, however mingled together in locality, as globules of oil in water. There is nothing else in the modern world that [p. 531] is nearly like it, though there have been plenty in past ages; it seems unreal and impossible even though we know it is true; it violates all our feeling as to what a country should be in order to have a right to exist; and it seems as though it was too ramshackle to go on holding together any length of time. Yet it has survived, much in its present shape, two centuries of storms that have swept perfectly unified countries from existence and others that have brought it to the verge of ruin, has survived formidable European coalitions to dismember it, and has steadily gained force after each; forever changing in its exact make-up, losing in the West but gaining in the East, the changes leave the structure as firm as ever, like the dropping off and adding on of logs in a raft, its mechanical union of pieces showing all the vitality of genuine national life. That seems to confirm and justify the prevalent Austrian faith that in this confusion of unrelated and irreconcilable elements, this condition of incurable disunion, there is strength -- for the government. Nearly every day some one explains to me that a revolution would not succeed here. "It couldn't, you know. Broadly speaking, all the nations in the empire hate the government -- but they all hate each other, too, and with devoted and enthusiastic bitterness; no two of them can combine; the nation that rises must rise alone; then the others would joyfully join the government against her, and she would have just a fIy's chance against a combination of spiders. This government is entirely independent. It can go its own road, and do as it pleases; it has nothing to fear. In countries like England and America, where there is one tongue and the public interests are common, the government must take account of public opinion; but in Austria-Hungary there are nineteen public opinions -- one for each state. No -- two or three for each state, since there are two or three nationalities in each. A government cannot satisfy all these public opinions; it can only go through the motions of trying. This government does that. It goes through the motions, and they do not succeed; but
Re: [CTRL] Is CTRL control or Controlled
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Controlled "This is what I believe" AOL used to purge the records of CTRL we were too radical. When AOL found out that it could use the knowledge and sell it to make AOL look good it was willing to keep CTRL. AOL makes a lot off of giving a free browser and charging for the access, When did Microsoft end up with a law suit? When it turned out that it was treading on AOL's territory by giving out a free browser. If you get on the internet by another means are you going to use AOL? Why do you think that AOL bought Netscape? Now they want to get Time Magazine and is problem using info from CTRL and other lists to look sharp. What does AOL have that Time/Warner does not have? E-Lists! This one gets away with it because people are enacting legislation to try to shut these things down. First they need to know what to shut down... Welcome to the Incompetents Network run by Clinton - Bill and Hillary Bush Sr. in Texas Bush Jr.s 1 Governer of Texas the other Governer of Florida Look at your electoral votes by state and which states do you think they want??? The rest of this is advertising/Propoganda agencies that want to make money. For AOL to cut us off or to cut someone like me off it to cut off it's own nose. Why? I will go somewhere else. So, Where is some more information What are they going to allow us to know now? ThePiedPiper 24March2000 Hollard exports a lot more than Tulups! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] liquir and drugs
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- The liquir pohibition affected american farmers that wanted to be able to sell grain to liquir manufactors so the farmer and those that made a living from farmers would have protested. Probally was a good way to get some farm land too. Why is the drug problem rising? Some people see the potential of selling drugs and not getting caught. Do we repair Vcrs and TVs in America anymore? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] HTML Goodies Express - MS Anti-Trust suit, eCommerce, and more!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- HTML Goodies Express wrote: HTMLGOODIES EXPRESS (tm) March 13, 2000--Newsletter #71 Please visit http://www.htmlgoodies.com Featured this week: * George W. Bush supports Microsoft * Beanie Baby scammers sentenced * Amazon.com's patents Sponsored by Atomz ADD A FREE SEARCH FEATURE TO YOUR WEB SITE IN MINUTES Just sign up at www.atomz.com/goodies add a few lines of HTML, and in minutes your site will have a powerful and customizable search feature. Last week's newsletter prompted a lot of email. Many of the emailers were upset because, they said, my email address is hard to find. I didn't know that it was. To fix that, my email is now on the HTML Goodies home page, or you can just write it down: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please know that every letter to this email gets an auto-response. I can't say that I'll respond to your email, but I do look at it. Greetings, Weekend Silicon Warriors, Did you hear... At least one of the four front running U.S. presidential candidates is weighing in on a computer issue. George W. Bush has said he opposes breaking up Microsoft as part of the U.S. government's anti-trust suit. Stay tuned. If one has spoken up, the others will soon. The Beanie Baby bungler burglars out of Philly have been given their dues. Officials say that Samuel Miletto, the official mastermind behind the AOL-based scam, took in around $5000 by offering "discontinued" babies. Well, that five grand could mean 105 years in prison as pay back for 105 counts of wire fraud. Ouch. Once again, a cracker has used a portal found in Microsoft software and grabbed upwards of 25,000 credit card numbers from eight smaller e-commerce sites. To make matters worst, the cracker who calls him (or her) self Curador taunted Bill Gates and those whose card numbers he grabbed on a Web site set up and paid for with one of the stolen credit card numbers. Curador wrote: "I would like to thank the nice people at ALL the Sites I Cracked for having left their entire sales database, readable writeable for any one who bothered to check their site out." Alta-Vista has just undertaken an opt-on policy regarding their user's data. Now, a user must click a checkbox in order to allow personal data to be used in order to produce personalized banner ads. Good idea. Now onto today's topic... The numbers have been released. The U.S. government finally decided to include e-commerce in their surveys of the American economy. In the fourth quarter of 1999, the Web accounted for $5.3 billion (that's with a "B") dollars in retail sales. That came out to only 6% of the economy. Although six percent may not seem like a lot at first, it's a true indicator of the world that is to come. Analysts claim that 6% is a doubling of the year before. Follow the logic. Six will become 12, will become 24, etc., etc., etc. This is just the beginning of it all. Of course, that concept is not lost on those who are already major players in the e-commerce business. Big player cyber-companies are not only making a grab for more and more customers, they also want to make a grab for the process itself. The thinking is that if a company can patent a method of doing business, then all those who follow will need to ante up every time that method of doing business is undertaken. I told this concept to my students and they looked at me like I had grown a second head. They thought I was joking. "Patent a way of doing business?" one young lady said. "You mean a patent on using a box to deliver things or accepting green pieces of paper in exchange for product?" I was actually impressed with her snide delivery. Ah, but yet, she's not so far off of the truth. You may remember a Goodies to Go! Newsletter not too long ago that told the tale of Amazon.com's lawsuit against Barnes and Nobel Booksellers. Amazon had patented something they called a "one-click" technology where consumers familiar to Amazon could click one button and all of their demographics and credit card information could be submitted with one click. The consumer didn't have to fill in all of their address and card information every time they wanted to buy something. That's a good idea, right? It certainly isn't revolutionary, but it's a good idea. Barnes and Nobel certainly thought so. They offered something similar and got sued. The outcome is still pending. What do you think of that? Is the one-click technology (I feel
[CTRL] New Look Urged on Gulf Syndrome
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- The man that they quote in this article recieved a Nobel Prize in the late 1950's for finding out that (some) bacteria reproduce by sexual means. http://spj.org/sdxawards96/06washcor/1210.htm 1996 Washington Correspondence Philip Shenon Winners Index | Print | Television | Radio Gulf War Syndrome New Look Urged on Gulf Syndrome December 10, 1996, Page A1 By PHILIP SHENON WASHINGTON, Dec. 9 -- The scientist who led a 1994 Pentagon study that discounted links between chemical weapons and the illnesses reported by veterans of the Persian Gulf war said today that some of the findings might have to be revised in light of newly disclosed evidence from the Pentagon -- evidence the Defense Department did not share with him at the time of his investigation. The scientist, Joshua Lederberg, a Nobel Prize-winning geneticist and the former president of Rockefeller University, said the Pentagon had never told him about an incident shortly after the war in which American combat engineers blew up an Iraqi ammunition depot that contained chemical weapons, potentially exposing thousands of troops to nerve gas. He said in an interview that as a result of the newly disclosed evidence, there should be an intensified effort to determine whether low doses of nerve gas could cause long-term illnesses. The comments by Dr. Lederberg throw into question many of the conclusions of a study that the Pentagon has cited for more than two years in insisting that there was no evidence that Americans had been exposed to Iraqi nerve gas or other chemical weapons during the war, let alone that the troops had been made ill by the poisons. In addition, Dr. Lederberg said the panel had not been informed that Czech soldiers who had detected chemical weapons during the war had been so concerned about the possibility of chemical exposure that they had immediately pulled on gas masks and other protective equipment, even as American soldiers remained unprotected. Report's Foundations Are Questioned "If I had it all to do over again," Dr. Lederberg said in an interview, "I would have spent more time and effort digging out the details." Asked why the Pentagon had not shared some of the information with his panel, he replied, "I was not operating on the presumption of malice, but maybe after this experience, I want to be a little more cautious about that." A Pentagon spokesman, Bryan Whitman, denied that any information had been withheld from Dr. Lederberg's panel. "There was never any attempt to withhold any information," he said. "They had full access to everything." But Dr. Lederberg said, "We didn't get all the information, and I don't know where it was." He said he did not necessarily believe that anyone within the Defense Department had attempted to mislead his panel, the Defense Science Task Force on Persian Gulf War Health Effects. "Un-lead is probably a better word than mislead," he said. "I know what a complex organization we're dealing with, how many different turfs there are," Dr. Lederberg said. "The intelligence units in particular are very jealous of anything they hold. They particularly defy access to their raw data. It's not surprising that there are goof-ups of this sort from time to time." He said he was also concerned about the implications of new research by Israeli scientists that showed that an drug given to allied troops during the war to protect them from the effects of nerve gas might enter the brain under conditions of stress and cause symptoms like those seen among gulf war veterans. Dr. Lederberg's comments came as three former Army researchers said that research they conducted for the Pentagon in the 1970's suggested a connection between low levels of nerve gas -- doses so small they might not result in immediate physical symptoms -- and the sorts of health problems reported by gulf war veterans. The researchers -- Dr. Frank H. Duffy, associate professor of neurology at Harvard Medical School; Dr. James L. Burchfiel, professor of neurology at the University of Rochester, and Dr. Peter H. Bartels, professor of pathology at the University of Arizona -- said in interviews that the Pentagon seemed intent on ignoring or dismissing their evidence. Their research, which studied the effects of low doses of sarin on both humans and primates, showed that the exposure resulted in long-term, perhaps permanent, changes in brain waves, which could possibly be connected with chronic fatigue, memory loss, sleep disturbances and a decrease in sexual drive. Those symptoms are among those commonly reported by gulf war veterans. In a report on the issue that was widely distributed earlier this year to gulf war veterans, the Pentagon discounted the importance of the research done
[CTRL] CFR uber alles.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- 3/25/00 It has been my personal mission to make Americans aware of the institutions of power established by an elite class who use the state as their power source to make and protect their wealth. This is euphemistically known as _ American Interests. If you are not an American, then your country is most likely set up along similar lines. Why? Because it works. Britain's RIIA, Royal Institute of International Affairs, is the equivalent of and sister to the Council On Foreign Relations. Israel just established its Israel Council on Foreign Relations. All the NATO countries have their versions of this institution, as well as New Zealand, and Australia. Forget about Tories vs Labor, Democrats vs Republicans, or Socialists vs Conservatives. These are mere distractions from the real power politics which are about Globalization or not. Unfortunately the backlash against globalization is taking the form of ultra nationalism. In the end, the New World Order will fail. That is not the issue to be concerned about. The issue is, what will happen to us when it fails, and who will be in place to take charge of things. Traditionally it has been fascists and autocrats and dictators who have stepped in at times of crisis. Not a pleasant prognostication. The only way that this scenario can be avoided without resorting to violence,is to oust the internationalist elites who can be identified by their membership in organizations like the CFR and replace them with _ isolationists _ who are not fascists. Watch Russia. Russia and Eastern Europe are the unfortunate examples of what sprouts when _ Free Trade _ and _ Democracy _ are imposed by elite puppets like Gorby, Yeltsin, and evidently Putin too. The results are the typical pathologies of extreme Capitalism, massive theft by elites, poverty for non elites, and rampant crime by the aggressive. Joshua2 = From: Chester L McWhorter Sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: SNET NEWS Ntwk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: Members of Congress who are CFR/TLC THE WHITE HOUSE: William Jefferson Clinton, President. Mbr CFR. Ex-mbr TLC. Albert Gore Jr, Vice President. Mbr CFR (not on published mbrshp list however his staff insists he is). George Tenet, Dir CIA. Mbr CFR. Samuel Berger, Dir, Nat'l Security Council. Mbr CFR. Charlene Barshefsky, U.S. Trade Representative. Mbr CFR. THE CABINET: William S Cohen, Sec of Defense. Mbr CFR. General Henry Hugh Shelton, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, OJCS. Mbr CFR. William B (Bill) Richardson, Sec, Dept of Energy Sec, New Dept of Nuclear Security. Mbr CFR. Donna E Shalala, Sec, Dept of Health Human Services. Mbr CFR. Ex-mbr TLC. Bruce Babbitt, Sec, Dept of Interior. Mbr CFR. Ex-mbr TLC. Madeleine Albright, Sec, Dept of State. Mbr CFR. Ex-mbr TLC. Strobe Talbot, Depty Sec, Dept of State. Mbr CFR. Ex-mbr TLC. Richard C Holbrooke, Dept of State, Amb to UN, Ex-amb to Germany. Ex-Asst Sec of State for: Canadian European affairs; East Asian Pacific affairs. Mbr CFR. Ex-mbr TLC. Thomas S Foley, Amb to Japan. Ex-U.S. Hse of Reps. Mbr CFR. Steven W Bosworth, Amb to S. Korea. Mbr CFR. Robert E Rubin, Sec, Dept of Treasury. Mbr CFR. Togo D West Jr, Sec, Dept of Veterans Affairs. Mbr CFR. THE U. S. SUPREME COURT: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Associate Justice. Mbr CFR. Stephen Breyer, Associate Justice. Mbr CFR. Note: Only those justices appointed by William Jefferson Clinton are members of subject groups. THE U. S. SENATE: John H Chafee. R-RI. (dec). Mbr CFR. Christopher J Dodd. D-CT. Mbr CFR. Dianne Feinstein. D-CA. Mbr TLC. Bob Graham. D-FL. Mbr CFR. Chuck Hagel. R-NE. Mbr CFR. John F Kerry. D-MA. Mbr CFR. Joseph I Liebermann. D-CT. Mbr CFR. John S McCain, III. R-AZ. Mbr CFR. Daniel Patrick Moynihan. D-NY. Mbr CFR. Charles S Robb. D-VA. Mbr CFR. Mbr TLC. John D Rockefeller IV. D-WV. TLC. Mbr of CFR. William V Roth Jr. R-DE. Mbr CFR. Mbr TLC. Charles E Shumer. D-NY. Mbr CFR. Olympia J Snowe. R-ME. Mbr CFR. Robert G Torricelli. D-NJ. Mbr CFR. John W Warner. R-VA. Mbr CFR. and more. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[CTRL] Mark Twain - Stirring Times in Austria, part II
http://www2.h-net.msu.edu/~habsweb/sourcetexts/twain2.htm Title: Stirring Times in Austria, part II "Stirring Times in Austria" by Mark Twain (part II) back [p. 536] Kronawetter. "I move the close of the sitting! And I demand the ayes and noes!" Dr. Lecher. "Mr. President, have I the floor?" P. "You have the floor." Wolf (to the Chair, in a stentorian voice which cleaves its way through the storm). "It is by such brutalities as these that you drive us to extremities! Are you waiting till some one shall throw into your face the word that shall describe what you are bringing about?* [Tempest of insulted fury from the Right.] Is that what you are waiting for, old Grayhead? [Long-continued clatter of desk-boards from the Left, with shouts of "The vote! the vote!" An ironical shout from the Right, "Wolf is boss!"] Wolf keeps on demanding the floor for his motion. At length -- P. "I call Representative Wolf to order! Your conduct is unheard-of, sir! You forget that you are in a parliament; you must remember where you are, sir." [Applause from the Right. Dr. Lecher is still peacefully speaking, the stenographers listening at his lips.] Wolf (banging on his desk with his desk-board) . "I demand the floor for my motion! I won't stand this trampling of the Rules under foot -- no, not if I die for it! I will never yield! You have got to stop me by force. Have I the floor? P. "Representative Wolf, what kind of behavior is this? I call you to order again. You should have some regard for your dignity." Dr. Lecher speaks on. Wolf turns upon him with an offensive innuendo. Dr. Lecher. "Mr. Wolf, I beg you to refrain from that sort of suggestions." [Storm of hand-clapping from the Right.] This was applause from the enemy, for Lecher himself, like Wolf, was an Obstructionist. Wolf growls to Lecher: "You can scribble that applause in your album!" P. "Once more I call Representative Wolf to order! Do not forget that you are a Representative, sir!" Wolf (slam-banging with his desk-board). "I will force this matter! Are you going to grant me the floor, or not?" And still the sergeant-at-arms did not appear. It was because there wasn't any. It is a curious thing, but the Chair has no effectual means of compelling order. After some more interruptions: Wolf (banging with his board). "I demand the floor. I will not yield!" P. "I have no recourse against Representative Wolf. In the presence of behavior like this it is to be regretted that such is the case." [A shout from the Right, "Throw him out!"] It is true, he had no effective recourse. He had an official called an "Ordner," whose help he could invoke in desperate cases, but apparently the Ordner is only a persuader, not a compeller. Apparently he is a sergeant-at-arms who is not loaded; a good enough gun to look at, but not valuable for business. For another twenty or thirty minutes Wolf went on banging with his board and demanding his rights; then at last the weary President threatened to summon the dread order-maker. But both his manner and his words were reluctant. Evidently it grieved him to have to resort to this dire extremity. He said to Wolf, "If this goes on, I shall feel obliged to summon the Ordner, and beg him to restore order in the House." Wolf. "I'd like to see you do it! Suppose you fetch in a few policemen, too! [Great tumult.] Are you going to put my motion to adjourn, or not?" Dr. Lecher continues his speech. Wolf accompanies him with his board-clatter. The President despatches the Ordner, Dr. Lang (himself a deputy), on his order-restoring mission. Wolf, with his board uplifted for defense, confronts the Ordner with a remark which Boss Tweed might have translated into "Now let's see what you are going to do about it!" [Noise and tumult all over the House.] Wolf stands upon his rights, and says he will maintain them till he is killed in his tracks. Then he resumes his banging, the President jangles his bell and begs for order, and the rest of the House augments the racket the best it can. Wolf. "I require an adjournment, because I find myself personally threatened. [Laughter from the Right.] Not that I fear for myself; I am only anxious about what will happen to the man who touches me." The Ordner. "I am not going to fight with you." Nothing came of the efforts of the angel of peace, and he presently melted out of the scene and disappeared. Wolf went on with his noise and with his demands *That is revolution.--M.T. [p. 529*] that he be granted the floor, resting his board at intervals to discharge criticisms and epithets at the Chair. Once he reminded the Chairman
[CTRL] Elites uber alles. *** Solutions ***
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From: "Int'l Network on Disarmament and Globalization" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [mil-corp] BEYOND SEATTLE, BEYOND KOSOVO
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Network members:
Welcome new network member! A number of people who responded to the
INDG's
first mailout earlier this year were added to the mil-corp e-mail list
today. We are still entering all of our new members, but this e-mail
list
now reaches 223 people in more than 20 countries.
I am passing on a terrific summary of the activities and goals of the
upcoming protests in Washington, and the connections between the
issues of
peace and economic justice. It's also very timely on this day, the
first
anniversary of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.
Thanks to Ron Rowe for this piece.
Steve Staples
Chair
BEYOND SEATTLE, BEYOND KOSOVO: A Call for Unity on Economic Justice
Peace
Issues
-- Mobilization for Global Justice, April 9-17, Washington, D.C.
nationwide
Many of us have worked on a variety of trade issues and peace issues
in the
past year, and the events in Seattle and Kosovo became a wake-up call
for
people around the world. Next month, a series of actions taking place
in
Washington, D.C. and in cities across the nation is bringing trade and
peace issues together in a "Mobilization for Global Justice,"
providing a
significant opportunity to strengthen the ties between the Fair Trade
and
Peace movements and to broaden the "post-Seattle" coalition into a
stronger
unified people's movement to turn the tide of Corporate-Military
Globalization.
Organized as a sequel to Seattle, the Mobilization for Global Justice
coincides with the start of the Spring meeting of the International
Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank in Washington. The week-long
series of
activities from April 9-17 features teach-ins and rallies focusing on
the
IMF and World Bank, the "star wars" missile defense system and the
arms
race in space, culminating in a rally on IMF/World Bank issues at the
Treasury on April 16 and a day-long "Keep Space for Peace" vigil on
the
steps of the Capitol on April 17.
As we head into the first election of the new millennium, in a nation
that
prides itself on its ideals of democracy, with "liberty and justice
for
all," where "all men are created equal," the world that our "leaders"
are
designing looks more like a cross beween "Brave New World" and the
galactic
Empire of "Star Wars!"
The intertwining tentacles of corporatization, militarization and
globalization were celebrated most eloquently by Thomas Friedman last
March
in the New York Times, when he wrote: "For globalism to work, America
can't
be afraid to act like the almighty superpower that it is. ... The
hidden
hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist - McDonald's
cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the designer of the F-15.
And
the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley's
technologies
is called the United States Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps."
("What the World Needs Now," Thomas Friedman, New York Times, March
28,
1999)
The International Network on Disarmament and Globalization reports "In
many
respects, the WTO has marginalized the United Nations and has become
the
main venue for international relations and diplomacy. ... The WTO's
agenda
of promoting unfettered capitalism at the expense of a government's
ability
to control its economy for the benefit of its people contributes to
poverty, human rights violations, environmental degradation - all of
the
root causes of war. ...
"The result is the creation of the 'global war system.' In the
emerging
economies of the south, corporations demand weak labour and
environmental
standards to extract natural resources or build goods destined for
northern
markets. The economic interests of transnational corporations are
protected
by the technologically advanced militaries of their allies in northern
governments. And occasionally, 'cruise missile diplomacy' is used
against a
non-conforming nation." ("The WTO and War: Making the Connection",
http://www.indg.org)
50 Years Is Enough describes the IMF and World Bank as "the architects
of
the world economy" and says that the Structural Adjustment Programs
they
impose on third world nations as loan conditions serve the interests
of
multinational corporations and business elites, while increasing
poverty,
suffering and starvation, decreasing access to basic services,
promoting
sweatshops and exploitation, devastating the environment, increasing
the
concentration of wealth and restricting the ability of third world
governments to control their own economies. ("World Bank / IMF Fact
Sheet",
http://www.globalexchange.org/wbimf/facts.html)
The U.N. Development Program characterized the widening gap
[CTRL] [endsecrecy] Big Oil Population Control
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: Remy C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: endsecrecy list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [endsecrecy] Big Oil Population Control Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 2:04 PM From: http://www.sightings.com/ufo6/osp.htm Big Oil And The Plan For Population Control By Byron T. Weeks, MD 3-9-00 There are legitimate concerns about pollution. The very air we breath is poisonous. Smog is irritating to the lungs and cases of chronic bronchitis and emphysema are increasingly common. People are dying. The forests are shrinking. The discharge of pollutants into the lakes and rivers is poisoning the waters, and when the great rivers have collected all the contaminating oil and sludge and discharged it into the oceans, the shrimp, the salmon, the oysters, the fish, the whales, and the dolphins get sick and die. And vital oxygen-giving plankton is gradually disappearing from the seas. We now have very large and effective environmental movements who are telling us that the pollution of the ecosystems is killing the planet. These well intentioned groups are being funded by big oil and the other large corporations, and they are convinced that the causes of pollution directly relate to overpopulation. They claim that there are just too many people on the planet and, like infection in a host organism, they are causing the earth to sicken and die. There are too many people with too many gasoline powered cars, using too many petrochemicals and plastics, all of which end up in the soil, in the water, and in the air we breath. So now we are told that the world population must be reduced to an environmentally sustainable level. Plans are afoot to do just that. The globalist plan is to reduce the population over the next 20 years to about ten percent of the present total by means of famine, NBC warfare, contaminated vaccines, and mass murder. They plan to "re-wild" large parts of the planet, especially in North and South America, and bring back the mighty forests, and the flora and the fauna that existed before Columbus. They are importing wolves and grizzly bears back into the populated areas. Mountain lions may not be hunted, in order to increase their numbers and restore the "balance of nature. Top members of the ultra-rich elites, [the New World Order] such as Ted Turner and the Rockefellers, have bought up vast tracts of land and established huge ranches. They are raising large herds of elk, antelope, and buffalo which will be used in the re-wilding process. Eventually, according the the master plan, the forests and the rivers, and the vast, fertile plains will be teeming with wild life, and the people, with their cattle and horses and sheep, their smog belching automobiles, and their factories laden with chemical smoke, will all be gone. The disarmed farmers, ranchers, and townspeople will one day be moved out of the Heritage sites and UN Biospheres, and it will be done by the lethal force of UN soldiers and armed gangs, if necessary. Deliberate attempts to reduce the food supply are underway. Hybrid seeds which germinate only once are replacing natural grains. Farmers are paid not to grow crops. Use of chemical and natural fertilizers is being reduced. The World Trade Organization, along with NAFTA and GATT are strangling the stock raisers, the wheat farmers, and the Potato growers by rendering profitless what they have long produced, and importing grains, beef, wool, and produce from foreign countries where labor is cheap and people are just another commodity. According to the master plan, North America, the bread basket of the world, will revert to wilderness once more. South America will be depopulated and the jungles of the Amazon will return to the former unpolluted and pristine state. So goes the great GLOBAL 2000 plan as devised by the globalist Committee of 300 and the Club of Rome. But wait just a moment, here! Are these theories valid? Who are the real major polluters of the planet? Who sinks the oil wells and produces the gasoline? Who builds the internal combustion engines? Who manufactures the petrochemicals, and the petroleum and coal tar derived pharmaceuticals? Who, through the power of great wealth, has influenced the Congress and the state legislators to pass laws prohibiting the development of non petroleum, non polluting energy sources? Do the people know that the researches of Nicola Tesla, Wilhelm Reich, Neuman, and others, who have developed the overunity engines and other free energy devices have been suppressed?There are ways of drawing limitless energy from the Van Allen belt, and from the electromagnetic fields of the earth itself... There are actual methods of producing energy by extraction of burnable hydrogen from water. There are batteries and fuel cells
Re: [CTRL] Is CTRL control or Controlled
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Hiedi Ho, Been gone a few days, to visit my gramma, she's 104. Saw some beautiful country and had s fine and reflective time. This is interesting, This thread was started by [EMAIL PROTECTED] without any comment. CTRL has nothing to do with aol other than it is hosted by aol listserv. CTRL began as a project of www.parascope which had a greenhouse contract to produce content for the fledgling aol. CTRL's owners are listed and are public. Ownership consist of nothing but reponsibilities towards upkeep. When the list was first set-up there were archives provided by aol. I found them hard to acces, but they did work. One day they were gone, aol's relations with their greenhouse accounts was slim and the growth of aol caused more problems than CTRL and our several inquires were were promptly ignored. The only "controlls" excercised on this list is that which is inserted by several varing agendas of its participants and the various psyches, their outlooks and execution of their thought processes. Conspiracy Theory has a learning curve of various degrees depending on personal experience, prejudices and research. CTRL cost me personally time and about $125 a month for the archive service of lsoft. I could move to a free list but find the incertainty of archive storage and the ease and breadth of the lsoft worth it. The archives to me are a valuable resource and offers a searchable database. Remember FEAR is much easier for "them" to control you by. My motives are the redemption of our constitution and my children and grandchildren. I do have a personal issue at stake also, "these folks" really screwed my dad's life around. So ya'll can take it for what it 's worth - let us not fight each other but work towards understanding. For if you truly wish to "beat" "them" it is gonna take a bucn of us frommany various backgrounds. Understanding is key. Fear, ignorance and hoodwink are there great weapons. Well , I must go much to do around here in my absence. More later. But CTRL is just what we make it. Om K I am nt affiliated with any agency of any government In a message dated 3/25/00 6:43:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Controlled "This is what I believe" AOL used to purge the records of CTRL we were too radical. When AOL found out that it could use the knowledge and sell it to make AOL look good it was willing to keep CTRL. AOL makes a lot off of giving a free browser and charging for the access, When did Microsoft end up with a law suit? When it turned out that it was treading on AOL's territory by giving out a free browser. If you get on the internet by another means are you going to use AOL? Why do you think that AOL bought Netscape? Now they want to get Time Magazine and is problem using info from CTRL and other lists to look sharp. What does AOL have that Time/Warner does not have? E-Lists! This one gets away with it because people are enacting legislation to try to shut these things down. First they need to know what to shut down... Welcome to the Incompetents Network run by Clinton - Bill and Hillary Bush Sr. in Texas Bush Jr.s 1 Governer of Texas the other Governer of Florida Look at your electoral votes by state and which states do you think they want??? The rest of this is advertising/Propoganda agencies that want to make money. For AOL to cut us off or to cut someone like me off it to cut off it's own nose. Why? I will go somewhere else. So, Where is some more information What are they going to allow us to know now? ThePiedPiper 24March2000 Hollard exports a lot more than Tulups! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: [BRIGADE] PJB [tough talk] Wows San Francisco!]
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 03/24/2000 9:37:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He called for exploratory drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska, tariffs against OPEC nations and an end to all foreign aid to those countries until oil production is increased. I guess Pat's still a Republican after all. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CFR uber alles.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- The RIIA is the parent organization of the CFR in the U.S. The RIIA was originally named the "Round Table Group". Cecil Rhodes (who founded and funded the Rhodes Scholarships), was one of the founders of RIIA. Details are available in the book Tragedy and Hope by Professor Carroll Quigley, Columbia Univ. Quigley was Bill Clinton's "mentor". Clinton also wrote a book. It's title is: Between Hope and History. (Where do you suppose he came up with this catchy title?) Clinton, of course, was a "Rhodes Scholar"...as was Bill Bradley... as was George Stephanopolis (now with ABC-TV). At one time or another, there have been more than a dozen Rhodes Scholars in the Clinton Administration. A few weeks after Clinton was first elected President, and before he was was sworn-in to Office, Clinton hosted a well-publicized meeting. Some of the top leaders from business, industry, education, finance, and science were invited to participate. The event was broadcast live on CSPAN. The participants were seated in a circle. Bill Clinton personally introduced each speaker with these words: "Would you please welcome (name of person) as he joins our Round Table discussion." (Note: Tragedy and Hope and Between Hope and History are both available from Amazon.com) Regards to All Nakano A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [BRIGADE] PJB Vows Tariffs on Oil Nations
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- If anyone has contact with the Buchanan Organization, you might forward the following information. Gasoline prices will be an issue in Presidential Election. With this information, Buchanan might be able to throw some gas on the fire! Nakano ___ Just 13 months ago, Feb. of 1999, we had the lowest gasoline prices in history! According to U.S. Dept. of Energy figures, the National Average Price for a gallon of Unleaded Regular was 90.7 cents. (When adjusted for inflation, this is the lowest gas price the DOE has recorded since reporting began. Here's the point. The U.S. Senate acquitted Bill Clinton of the Impeachment charges on February 12, 1999. This is the very same time that gas prices hit the all-time low! Within 2 weeks after Clinton was acquitted, gas prices started climbing...and they have continued to climb to where they are today. The latest DOE Reports gives the National Average Price for Unleaded Regular as $1.53 per gallon. Bill Clinton was acquitted 63 cents ago! 6 months before Clinton's impeachment, the average price per gallon was $1.07. The price decreased 17 cents per gallon leading up to the impeachment vote in the Senate. The price was 90.7 cents when the Senate acquitted him. It has gone up 63 cents a gallon since then. THAT'S A MIGHTY BIG COINCIDENCE ISN'T IT? Cheap energy prices were one of the main reasons our National Economy has been so good. A lot of people in this country did not want to see Clinton removed from Office because of the good economy. U.S. Dept. of Energy Reports: RETAIL GASOLINE (Self Service Prices per Gallon, Including Taxes) National Price - Regular Grade Average - 1998 -99 06/08/981.075 (6 months before Impeachment voted in the House of Rep) 12/14/980.945 (House of Representatives votes to Impeach) 12/28/980.937 02/01/990.929 02/22/990.907 (Senate acquits Clinton on Feb. 12, 2000) 03/08/990.921 03/15/990.977 03/29/991.082 04/12/991.140 08/16/991.236 11/29/991.274 01/24/001.315 (National Price - Regular Grade Average - 2000) 02/28/001.421 03/06/001.50 03/20/001.529 (Latest DOE Figures available) Source: Form EIA-878 "Motor Gasoline Price Survey" For additional information please contact the Energy Information Administration's National Energy Information Center at (202) 586-8800. TIMELINE: January 1, 1999: U.S. retail gasoline prices have decreased 15% since June of '98. Even though Crude oil prices were up 10.2%, the price levels for the refined petroleum products continued to decline in January (-1.6%) and stands 18.1% lower than in January 1998 and 31.7% lower than in January 1997. February 10, 1999: U.S. Energy Secretary Bill Richardson visits Saudi Arabia to discuss potential U.S. investment in the Kingdom's oil and gas sectors. Secretary Richardson's visit comes several months after a September 1998 meeting between several U.S. oil companies, Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah and Saudi Oil Minister Ali Naimi, in which Abdullah requested proposals from the companies on the development of Saudi oil reserves. (DJ), (USA), (WSJ) February 12 1999: Bill Clinton acquitted of Impeachment charges by the U.S. Senate. February 22, 1999 The U.S. Department of Energy reports the all-time low retail price for gasoline (inflation adjusted dollars). National average price for a gallon of unleaded regular 90.7 cents. March 23 1999: U.S. retail gasoline prices have increased an average of 18 cents per gallon since Bill Clinton was acquitted 27 days ago. U.S. average retail price per gallon of unleaded regular is $1.08 (U.S. Dept. of Energy Report) The members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) voted in Vienna to cut output by 2.1 million barrels of oil a day through March 2000. Non-OPEC nations, including Norway, Mexico, Russia and Oman, followed with the announcement that they would cut production by an additional 388,000 barrels a day. (DJ, NYT) April 17, 1999 U.S. average retail price per gallon of unleaded regular is $1.14. This is a 26% price increase since Bill Clinton was acquitted 2 months ago. (DJ) August 9, 1999: The United States Department of Commerce dismisses a petition filed by Save Domestic Oil, Inc. under anti-dumping statutes. The petition alleged that Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Mexico, and Iraq had sold crude oil to the United States at artificially low prices. September 22, 1999: The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), at a meeting of its member states' oil ministers, decides to maintain current production cuts until March 2000, despite the fact the crude oil prices have doubled since early 1999. November 18, 1999: The heads of state of Turkey, Azerbaijan, and Georgia sign an agreement to build a pipeline for the export of crude oil from the Caspian Basin. The
[CTRL] Controlled List?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From time to time this issue has arisen here as people ask if this list is being duped or controlled (in good conspiratorial fashion I might add). There is no way to know for sure, since we could all be lying about who we are and what we do, thus if I say I am just a Joe Sixpack who lives in Pennsylvania and have no connections to the government it might be true, or I might, in fact be working out of an office deep in the bowels of some government computer lab in Virginia. It really does no good for us to question the validity of this list and those who post here, since we can never KNOW that what we read is real. Thus I ASSUME that some of what is presented here is propaganda and designed to spread a belief or a mindset, whether sent by a government infiltrator, or someone else with an agenda that they strongly believe in. BUT, not all of it is. One must be able to read and judge for ones own self. Take what is valuable to you and discard the rest. Conspiracy Theory is much like any other "Belief System", be it religion or otherwise. Typically, one has a dogma that "just seems right to you" and one shapes ones views according to that dogma, accepting evidence that fits the model, rejecting and discrediting evidence that does not. Just like religious belief (and other dogmas that are strongly held). I'll give you an example. I don't believe that UFO's are EVER hard physical craft that are from and or piloted by aliens from somehwere other than Earth. I will scoff at "evidence" (see I even put the word evidence in parentheses to illustrate my lack of trust in it) that would seem to support this notion. I will gladly refute and discredit that evidence and embrace evidence that promotes my beliefs. Conspiracy theory is this way, it becomes a dogma with a set of parameters that each of us have and hold dear. Having said all that it is important to keep an open mind and be willing to at least listen to other points of view, and to allow others to express those views (though there are some topics which are discouraged from this list due to past circumstances) without rancor. I believe this list does an admirable job of it, even though I scoff at or give no credence to some of what is presented here, I am thankful that the posters have a place to go and a venue to share that information, and I am glad I am a part of it. Of course, I may just be an advanced computer program. . . "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey For the largest MP3 index on the Web, go to http://mp3.altavista.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Controlled List?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 3/25/00 11:29:59 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From time to time this issue has arisen here as people ask if this list is being duped or controlled (in good conspiratorial fashion I might add). The only real deception on this otherwise wonderful list is by those who come to preach the benefits of good ol' fashioned quackery...when certainly they know better. I mean homeopathy? Chiropractic?? Puhleese...Open minded and blind are 2 different things...some want to take advantage of others by pushing what is clearly a fraud by claiming a "big medicine" conspiracy...and there may well be a coverup or suppression of some worthy treatments...can't we concentrate on them and discontinue the heavyhanded promotion of pseudoscience and junk "medicine"? Peace, Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Me... prosyletizing?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I answered a challenge from someone who constantly sends pages long prosyletizing diatribes to this list. My answer was 2 sentences long. Why don't you talk to x98Andrew about prosyletizing? Give me a break! Methinks your position on the issue we've been discussing may have coloured your opinion of my post. And I don't mind if people put my emails in their kill files. Heck set my email to auto delete as soon as you get it. That's fine. Tara [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ynr Chyldz Wyld Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 8:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ali at the Gates of Hell and marshmallows come to mind... -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "Tara" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't honour any nation. I honour only God. And yes, all of the nations of the world are Satanic, just as those who call themselves Christ and are not the only-begotten Son of God. [snip] CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing! What is it about the above paragraph you don't understand, as evidenced by your post in the first paragraph? (another one for the 'kill' file) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 3/25/00
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- from: Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - US Politics Buchanan Attacks US Foreign Policy A bombing run a day, keeps Osama Bin Laden away. SAN MATEO, Calif. (AP) -- Reform Party presidential contender Pat Buchanan said Friday that elitists in the Democratic and Republican parties have crafted a ''neo-imperial foreign policy'' of U.S. intervention in conflicts around the world even when American interests are harmed. The former Republican, in language reminiscent of the isolationist movement prior to World War II, said his party could serve as ''a peace party'' working to keep America out of ''the religious, ethnic and territorial wars of less fortunate lands.'' The United States risks becoming ''a policeman who goes about night-sticking troublemakers until we, too, find ourselves in some bloody brawl we cannot handle,'' Buchanan said in remarks prepared for an antiwar conference sponsored by the Center for Libertarian Studies. The Reform Party ''will become a noninterventionist party, a peace party, that will reach out to Americans of right and left who reject the Third Way imperialism,'' Buchanan said. ''Only an engaged and informed citizenry can bring about a reversal of the neo-imperial foreign policy that has been foisted upon us in the post-Cold War era by the elites of both Beltway parties.'' Buchanan attacked the foreign policy credentials of Texas Gov. George W. Bush, the presumptive Republican nominee. ''The governor has exhibited neither absorbing interest nor extraordinary aptitude for foreign policy -- to put it generously,'' he said. Buchanan also criticized Vice President Al Gore, the presumptive Democratic party presidential nominee, for advocating Clinton administration airstrikes against nations such as Iraq and Serbia and hits on alleged terrorists operations in Sudan in recent years. Gore ''exhibits a New Republic-style lust for cruise missile strikes on rogue nations,'' Buchanan said, adding that U.S. sanctions, military strikes and intervention have prompted ''a seething resentment of America'' around the world. Buchanan drew the strongest applause of his speech when he said that if elected, he would pull all U.S. troops out of the ''Balkan quagmire'' by the end of his first year in office and remove American soldiers from Europe by the end of his first term. In remarks after his address, Buchanan said the West should not ''walk away'' from the situation in Kosovo, but instead should get its European allies to police the region. In the Middle East, U.S. troops ''stand ready to die'' to defend Saudi Arabia and Kuwait from Iran and Iraq even though the four countries are conspiring to keep oil prices high and ''gouge U.S. consumers,'' he said. The Associated Press, March 25, 2000 - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Autoreply: Re: [CTRL] Forwarded Post
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I don't disagree with you feelings about members of the government as specifically listed, or you feelings about government in general. I do heartily oppose abortion, but this could lead to a religious discussion that I don't really want to get into, and I know isn't really appropriate on this list anyway. I do eat eggs occasionally, but eggs that we buy in supermarkets are unfertilized. There are no roosters in the hen houses :) Tara [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ThePiedPiper Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 9:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Autoreply: Re: [CTRL] Forwarded Post -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- So busy worrying about bringing more children into the world so that many do not have to worry about taking care of the adults. I guess since they are surplus - it has to be all right? How about not worrying about that so much - I do assume that you eat chicken eggs - the unborn young, put a specific date of being human, define what a human is that makes us different from an ant type society, and make a commitment to the ones already born or to be born that they will live in the highest values of Humanity. I do not like what happened because they were Sadist not Satanist, Christians, or anything else. they were Sadistic in their dealings with other life forms and seemed to advocate an ant type society. considering who Koresh's mentors and supporters seem to have been Bush Sr. his whelps - who supported Hitler and I assume the snuff films that are happening over there now. Clinton, Bill - who likes children, since it seems that most others see through him. Clinton, Hillary - who does what ever she thinks it takes Moral, she left those a long time ago Dole and Gore - who are trying to get in good by using things like Coors. Reno - Sadist in training. Considering the line up I assume that there had to be CIA agents there too. Blame the FBI? And it seems if you have CIA you have soviets the sadist soviets at least. Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "Tara" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hate to burst the bubble you live in Ali, but the United States and Canada are not (at least now) in any way, shape, or form even Christian-like. Canada might be considered a Koreshian-like country, since we do kill our own children (unborn, though, unlike that cult, which didn't seem to be picky). The 'cult', as you deem it, never killed children, nor was ever even accused of killing children. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] He's Baaack! The Return of Gerald Posner
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I 've said it before, and I'll say it again. I sincerely believe that Posner is a government plant used to write this "unbelievable" crap extolling the "guilt" of those formally charged with the assassinations of JFK and MLK. Up until Posner's book "Case Closed"?; there were numerous accounts with credible facts and testimonies put forth in book after book making the "Warren Commision" look like a bunch of fools.(Personally, I don't believe the members of the W.C. really believed their own accounts of the murder of JFK) They are just too intelligent to swallow the info. claiming those "alleged" facts concerning Oswald's guilt as the "lone nut" who was able to kill JFK all by himself. I also find it hard to believe that Posner really believes that info. Whatever you were paid Posner, I hope it was truly worth it to you, because you really sold-out your credibility as a reasonable intelligent person. I mean, after digesting all the info. put forth regarding the murder, how is it that you can think your "spin" on all of it can hold water? Where is your deductive reasoning? Your book did nothing in the way of swaying the public's opinion regarding JFK's murder. It just made you look like a fool who sold-out to the powers that be in an effort to sway the American public's opinion-but to no avail-really! Just my opinion, JOHN PS I realize this is a late reply; been busy lately! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: USA THE PRIVATIZATION OF WAR]
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Original Message Subject: USA THE PRIVATIZATION OF WAR Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:42:51 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Eisenscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:26:15 -0800 From: Ron Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Rowe Communication Services Subject: SPECIAL ALERT: U.S. "military" companies in Colombia, Kosovo, ... [If you are concerned about the interlinked issues of corporatization, militarization, globalization and privatization, I urge you to read the material below. Please forward to anyone you think would be interested. (Apologies for cross-posting!)] THE PRIVATIZATION OF WAR -- U.S. "military specialty" contractors in Colombia have also been involved in Kosovo, Bosnia, Croatia, ... -- "Generals for Hire" and the New World Order's private police force *** ALERT *** * The information below may give you additional cause * to call your congressional representative AT ONCE to * oppose the massive aid package for Colombia, which is * scheduled for a vote on March 16th. After that the * Senate will vote, probably before the end of March. * * Most of the package is military aid. The Clinton * Administration had requested $1.3 billion. The House * Appropriations Committee increased the amount to * $1.7 billion. This aid package is part of the * Omnibus Supplemental Appropriations Bill for Fiscal * Year 2000. * * The toll-free number for the Congressional * Switchboard in Washington DC is 1-888-449-3511. Included below is a very interesting article from the Dallas Morning News on U.S. "military specialty companies" looking to profit from the U.S. military "aid" package to Colombia, and additional information discovered in the course of looking further into the companies mentioned in the article. Pay particular note to this little revelation: "Two Virginia-based companies, DynCorp Inc. and Military Professional Resources Inc., or MPRI, are completing contracts related to logistical support and training of Colombian police and counterinsurgency forces ... [MPRI] should be well-placed for a contract, since it also helped the Colombian government devise the official, three-phase "action plan" that was presented to Congress last month outlining how the $1.6 billion would be allocated." Which is made all the MORE interesting by some of MPRI's and DynCorp's other recent involvements in areas of U.S. military activity... An article in this week's London Sunday Times reported that American "diplomatic observers" in the Kosovo Verification Mission of the OSCE (Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe) prior to last year's bombing campaign were in fact "a CIA front, gathering intelligence on the KLA's arms and leadership." The article concluded by stating: "Agim Ceku, the KLA commander in the latter stages of the [Kosovo] conflict, had established American contacts through his work in the Croatian army, which had been modernised with the help of Military Professional Resources Inc, an American company specialising in military training and procurement. This company's personnel were in Kosovo, along with others from a similar company, Dyncorps, that helped in the American-backed programme for the Bosnian army." Michel Chossudovsky, author of "The Globalization of Poverty: Impacts of IMF and World Bank Reforms" and a vocal critic of U.S./NATO actions in Kosovo, refers to MPRI as a "U.S. mercenary outfit" and stated last year that "MPRI is on contract to advise the KLA and General Agim Ceku (financed by U.S. military aid). In 1995, MPRI advised the Croatian armed forces in the planning of Operation Storm which led to the massacre of Krajina Serbs." In "Humanitarian Spies", Jared Israel, editor of the "Emperor's Clothes" website, reported: "The U.S. verification team was composed of employees of Dyncorp, a Virginia company that has grown rich off Government work. At the 1992 Senate hearings on R. James Woolsey's appointment as head of the CIA, Woolsey commented: "I own less than one-quarter of one percent of the -- diluted shares of a company named Dyncorp here in the Washington, D.C. area. And the corporation has, from time to time, had a handful of very small contracts with the Central Intelligence Agency." ... Dyncorp's "very small contracts" have included covert work for the Company in Columbia and Peru." By the way, DynCorp announced last month that Ambassador William Courtney, a former National Security Council senior staff director who recently co-chaired the U.S. delegation to the Review Conference of the OSCE, has now joined the company as president of its Security and Intelligence Unit, DynMeridian. A "leading information technology and outsourcing services firm" with annual revenues of more than $1.2 billion (which I dare say would make R. James Woolsey's "less than one-quarter of one percent" worth a rather tidy
[CTRL] [1] The Thousand Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- The Thousand Conspiracy - Secret Germany Behind the Mask Paul Winkler Charles Scribners Sons©1943 New York 381 pps. First Edition Out-of-print - "I know no way of judging the future but by the past." PATRICK HENRY [Speech at the Virginia Assembly, May 17651 --[bookflaps]-- This amazing and engrossing book undertakes to show that Nazism should not be regarded as simply the product of some "spontaneous, generation" of Adolf Hitler's evil genius, since Hitlers ideas had all. been voiced before in Germany, but that there was a common inspiration of these ideas that had its roots deep in German history. Paul Winkler's researches show that these roots go back a millennium. The book takes its title from the words of a deputy in the Bavarian Landtag who, in 1921, when Hitler was still a nonentity, announced in the Parliament that the sheaf of documents he held in his hand was evidence of a conspiracy going back a thousand years, a conspiracy he intended to expose. A few days afterwards, before his scheduled speech could be delivered, he was assassinated, apparently by the very influences he was determined to unmask. His murderers went unpunished; his evidence was never revealed. The secret forces continued along their hidden way, and eighteen years later embarked openly on world conquest. The researches on which this book is based undoubtedly include the murdered deputy's evidence, with much more of even greater importance. From Paul Winkler's studies emerge the contours of a conspiracy, very old but very reala conspiracy whose existence, though fantastic at first thought, is the only 'possible explanation of the present-day facts of Nazism. It is the secret Germany of the "Prusso-Teutonics", whose roots reach back beyond the days of the Crusades. This secret Germany has been obscured for long periods of European history, but it has lived on continuously for centuries, always rising to dominance again and consistently driving its people along paths completely divergent from those taken by the other peoples of Western Civilization. Shedding new light on European history as it does, this is a book of the very broadest significance. Its message must be grasped if we are to shape the future. About the Author The first ambition of Paul Winkler, a European journalist who came to this country in 1940, was to become a biologist. World War I put an end to that for he realized that the period which followed it would be one of unrest and he preferred writing and journalism to scientific isolation. The chief reason for his preference was a desire to spread an understanding of vital problems throughout a wide public. Soon after the war he founded a newspaper feature syndicate which fifteen years later had grown to be Europe's largest. He was also the second largest magazine publisher in France and he continued always to write widely on the subjects which interested him. His acquaintance with European statesmen was extensive and he acted as Eduoard Herrioes adviser in press matters. When Germany turned Nazi in 1933, Paul Winkler was not one of the many who believed Hider's Stormtroopers were an entirely new phenomenon. He had been interested in Germany ever since the last war and had spent several months in the Ruhr with the French army of occupation. Hitler he remembered from his early days in Munich where he was a correspondent for a time. He made several visits to Austria and watched the first systematic steps toward Anschluss. In the ante-chambers of the League of Nations and during its sessions he watched the Machiavellian maneuvers of the German delegates. In 1935 he covered the Saar plebiscite. And the more he saw of the present developments in Germany the more convinced Paul Winkler became that the explanation of Hitler and the Nazis lay far behind the Versailles Treaty. He turned to historical research and spent several years working at the Sorbonne, of which he is a graduate, at the Bibliothique Nationale and at the British Museum. His book was nearly completed when the Germans invaded France and he was forced to destroy first, his notes, and then his entire manuscript. After Mr. Winkler came to this country, he at once began anew on "The Thousand Year Conspiracy: Secret Germany Behind the Mask". He is now head of the Press Alliance, a newspaper syndicate very much like the one he had in France. - Foreword This book attempts to contribute to the work of identification of the forces behind Nazism. It results from research undertaken to substantiate this hypothesis: that Nazism is not the product of some "spontaneous generation" crystallized by Hitler's evil genius; and that it is not-as it has often been described-simply a reaction to the harsh terms of the Versailles treaty; finally, that Nazism does not derive from some basic trait of the German character. Chapter I is introductory: It presents a few characteristic
Re: [CTRL] To your corners......
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- --- "[to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's a novel argument...which must surely have been designed by the conspirators to create more division by prompting people such as myself to question your motives by trying to direct people away from seeking out the complete truth Say WHAT? __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tooth faeries, Khazars, and Poley.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Except for J2 whose ancestor was a mutant. FWP. On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Tenorlove wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- If I remember correctly, haven't both the creationists AND the evolutionists ultimately decided that we all come from a common ancestor? If that is the case, then tribalism is a moot point. Tenorlove shuddering to think she's married to a [WAY BACK IN TIME DISTANT] relative :-P __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- http://www.vcn.bc.ca/culturex/The-Question-Nobody-Will-Answer.htm --- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CFR uber alles.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- "[to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- The RIIA is the parent organization of the CFR in the U.S. The RIIA was originally named the "Round Table Group". Close, but not exactly. The CFR AND the RIIA were started together. Both grew out of the Round Table groups. Cecil Rhodes (who founded and funded the Rhodes Scholarships), was one of the founders of RIIA. That would have been hard to do since he died before the RIIA came into being in 1921/22. I believe he died in 1902. Joshua2 From Understanding The New World Order THE ROUND TABLE GROUPS -- After the death of Cecil Rhodes in 1902, Lord Milner became one of the executors of Rhodes' trust. He organized " discreet " discussion / study / work groups known as the Round Table Groups throughout the Empire, including America. On May 30, 1919 members of different national delegations to the Paris Peace Conference met at the Hotel Majestic to discuss setting up an international group which would advise their respective governments on international affairs. The planning delegations decided upon creating separate organizations cooperating with each other. They organized the Council on Foreign Relations ( Harrold Pratt House on East 68th Street in New York City. In 1922, it began publishing it's official mouthpiece, Foreign Affairs Magazine - http://www.foreignaffairs.org), and a sister organization, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, in London, also known as the Chatham House Study Group, to advise the British Government. A subsidiary organization, the Institute of Pacific Relations, was set up to deal with Far Eastern Affairs. === Details are available in the book Tragedy and Hope by Professor Carroll Quigley, Columbia Univ. Quigley was Bill Clinton's "mentor". Clinton also wrote a book. It's title is: Between Hope and History. (Where do you suppose he came up with this catchy title?) Clinton, of course, was a "Rhodes Scholar"...as was Bill Bradley... as was George Stephanopolis (now with ABC-TV). At one time or another, there have been more than a dozen Rhodes Scholars in the Clinton Administration. A few weeks after Clinton was first elected President, and before he was was sworn-in to Office, Clinton hosted a well-publicized meeting. Some of the top leaders from business, industry, education, finance, and science were invited to participate. The event was broadcast live on CSPAN. The participants were seated in a circle. Bill Clinton personally introduced each speaker with these words: "Would you please welcome (name of person) as he joins our Round Table discussion." (Note: Tragedy and Hope and Between Hope and History are both available from Amazon.com) Regards to All Nakano A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [CTRL] Tooth faeries, Khazars, and Poley.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- - This is the same technique used to trace the Kohan genes from European Jews to the descendants of Aaron back past the Roman expulsions in 1st century Judea. Ex-Khazar Joshua2 Geneticists find Irish are a race apart Emerald Isle westerners share unique Y chromosome type March 22 - Irish geneticists have used surnames and the male Y chromosome to reconstruct a 1,000-year-old genetic map of Ireland that shows the Irish really are a race apart. When will people stop fulminating this Racist Nonsense? We are all Homo Sapien, out of Africa a long time ago with some superficial differences due to environmental factors. This Racist Differentialism is sick, weird, and depressing. Bad enough having to deal with the Nazis / Socialists / Statists. flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] To your corners......
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Could we all agree to a sort of "I won't tell you about my religious beliefs if you do not tell me about yours?" I will further spare you those of some of my neighbors and distant relatives and on and on. On this list religion should only be discussed in the context of conspiracies, not the "error of our ways and beliefs". I think we are all thinking people and have long ago established our belief systems. I have yet to see a conversion on list! Rarely even a change in opinion as we all tend to be rather opinionated, too. In other words, this is the proverbial "wrong tree" to bark up religion. Oh for the days of aluminum jackets and caps and room linings. The good old days of sleuth and stealth and more than meets the eye. The unearthing of hidden connections and plots afoot! Now it is like a scanning across AM radio in rural areas on Sunday morning--all sorts of voices with all sorts of messages preaching. This just is NOT the list for all of this religion. If folks insist on continuing to swamp the list with these posts, perhaps each of us should write them off list and "share" our beliefs, traditions, concerns and all aspects of our religious life with them. It is arrogant to assume to enlighten others in this area when they do not wish to be enlightened, let alone sold something. Amelia A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Controlled List?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Well, now that makes sense, Bill. Free and open posting except for things that Bill finds offensive or in which Bill does not believe. Otherwise, pretty much everything goes! Amelia - Original Message - From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Controlled List? -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 3/25/00 11:29:59 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From time to time this issue has arisen here as people ask if this list is being duped or controlled (in good conspiratorial fashion I might add). The only real deception on this otherwise wonderful list is by those who come to preach the benefits of good ol' fashioned quackery...when certainly they know better. I mean homeopathy? Chiropractic?? Puhleese...Open minded and blind are 2 different things...some want to take advantage of others by pushing what is clearly a fraud by claiming a "big medicine" conspiracy...and there may well be a coverup or suppression of some worthy treatments...can't we concentrate on them and discontinue the heavyhanded promotion of pseudoscience and junk "medicine"? Peace, Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mark Twain - Stirring Times in Austria, part II
Piper, Do you have a good source for Twain on line? Do you have A/The Warrior's Prayer? If so, would you please post it or tell me where I can find it. It is fairly short but speaks volumes and may be my favorite piece of writing by this wonderful writer. It addresses using humor the very issue of the immorality of war that we are posting and reading about now. Amelia
[CTRL] How it works. Buchanan speech and why he is excluded from debates.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- A Republic, Not an Empire Patrick J. Buchanan Let me begin by commending you all - on the campaign by Antiwar.com and the Center for Libertarian Studies - to forge a new anti-interventionist American coalition. Only an engaged and informed citizenry can bring about a reversal of the neo-imperial foreign policy that has been foisted upon us in the post-Cold War era by the elites of both Beltway parties. Foreign policy, they tell us, is not an issue in this election year. By that they mean it is off the table, a matter already decided upon and settled by those who know what is best for America. So they, and their media auxiliaries, redirect our attention away from foreign policy to such burning national issues as the dating policy at Bob Jones University. What is best for America and the world, they tell us, is that the United States should remain a superpower sheriff, the Wyatt Earp of the West, possessed of the sole right to deputize posses, or go it alone if necessary, to discipline evil-doers, wherever our "values" are threatened. I submit that this foreign policy poses a great and growing danger to the peace and security of the United States. Last year, for 78 days, U.S. pilots flew thousands of missions against Serbia, destroying bridges, factories, electrical grids, and, yes, even hospitals, schools and the occasional embassy. Yet, before launching his war, Mr. Clinton never received the authorization of Congress. But as a consequence of our triumph over Serbia, young men and women from California, Kentucky, Florida and Maine are in Kosovo policing territory that has been violently contested for hundreds of years. As of now, we do not know if U.S. troops will end up fighting Serbs, or Kosovar Albanians, or first one, then the other. But it is a near certainty that United States will one day be forced to pull out of Kosovo, after having earned the lasting hatred of Serbs -- a people who never harmed the United States -- and of the Albanians, whose aspirations will not be satisfied until the U.S. helps to carve out an ethnically pure Greater Albania. Look at the balance sheet of Bill Clinton's unconstitutional war. NATO, a defensive alliance, launched an offensive war against a nation that threatened no member of that alliance, dissipating the moral authority with which NATO had emerged from the Cold War. Serbia is smashed. Montenegro and Macedonia are destabilized. Kosovo was purged first of Albanians, then of Serbs. And lies in ruins. U.S. relations with China and Russia have been damaged. For what? So we and NATO could police in perpetuity a Balkan province that has not the remotest connection to U.S. vital interests. Such are the fruits of neo-imperialism. Meanwhile, a decade after the Gulf War, American soldiers and airmen stand ready to die to defend Saudi Arabia and Kuwait from Iran and Iraq - as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait conspire with Iran and Iraq to keep oil prices over $30 a barrel -- to loot America and gouge U.S. consumers. For ten years, the U.S. has played the dominant role in maintaining rigid sanctions on Iraq. By one UN estimate, these sanctions have resulted in the premature deaths
[CTRL] [NA] Censorship by De-Emphasis
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: Jim Condit Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NA] Censorship by De-Emphasis Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 8:24 AM www.networkamerica.org "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin March 22, 2000 NA (Network America) e-wire Censorship by De-Emphasis Stalin seems to get a lot of play on this e-wire and regarding this subject but its only because he was so good at dictator-ing. He would publish 100,000 of his own pamphlets, and allow his opponent to publish 2000. The Big Media and the Ruling Elite do the same today. Case in point: On March 20, 2000 Patrick Buchanan held a Press Conference in D.C in which he released his complaint against the Federal Election Commission regarding the Presidential debates and other matters. The next step will be a lawsuit, if the Federal Election Commission doesnt shape up. As far as we know, this absolutely vital Buchanan press conference was played on C-Span once --- and if it was covered anywhere else I sure didnt see it. I found out from my brother-in-law the next day. I still havent seen any coverage of it. Why? The Ruling Elite and the Big Media are on the run; theyre holding on by their fingernails to keep up their brand of censorship by de-emphasis. Theyve been here before, and theyve won. Because our side is disoriented, doesnt know how to hit them at the sensitive spots, and keeps accepting the parameters which these political devils set for us. Even though the other third parties are justifiably outraged for being totally censored, especially the Constitution Party and Howard Phillips --- look how Pat and Bay Buchanan, and now Pat Choate, are putting the entire New World Order Establishment on the defensive with the little publicity they get. (The Big Media is angling towards total censorship of Buchanan by the next round, but know that total censorship now would wake too many up. Without a fair vote count, the Media will say Buchanan is a non-factor by 2004 due to the less than 5% Buchanan may well get under computerized vote counting.) The Big Media is currently pushing the line that Buchanan, the most prominent challenger to their duopoly by far, cant possible get more than 5%. This is the same propaganda they were pushing in early 1996 when Phil Graham had $28 million in the bank and Buchanan was openly called a not serious candidate. If Buchanan really could not possibly pull more than 5% because times are so good then there wouldnt be a universally enforced Big Press policy against him, and Rush Limbaugh wouldnt being searching and scanning for trivial matters with which to knock Pat whenever possible. Incidentally, numerous readers of this e-wire have sent Rush Limbaugh, G. Gordon Liddy, and Ollie North copies of some of these e-wires. As commentators who are on the cutting edge of truth when do you think theyll mention anything to do with Vote Fraud and computerized elections? Back to the suppressed press conference: the Ruling Elite obviously is in a quandary as to what to do about the debates. Keeping Buchanan and perhaps others out will show them for what they are to more people than ever. Letting Buchanan and perhaps others IN, will show them for what they are to more people than ever. We concerned citizens must really turn up the heat. This censorship by de-emphasis of this press conference is a real sign of nervousness on the part of the Big Boys. (At the same time, I notice Darva Conger, ex-wife-for-a-day of millionaire Rick Rockwell is getting PLENTY of air time.) What do I mean by the breaking out of the parameters set for us by the Big Media? Start saying, e-mailing, and showing up at rallies with signs -- to convey the message that we will not view the election results as legitimate if we dont have citizen ballot counts in the neighborhood precincts. Nothing less will do. And dont be swayed or softened by any of the Election establishments phony, meaningless concessions. Incidentally, we have quite an impressive array of individuals who have come forth to be coordinators or points of contact in various counties around the country. Im going to publish the names of those who have volunteered who have given permission, and perhaps their addresses, but not emails at this time. (Perhaps organizers could set up free email addresses on hotmail or yahoo which would be devoted to the votefraud fight, thus keeping their main e-mail addresses free for normal business.) I can feel that the organization around demanding honest elections is about to mushroom. Jim Condit Jr., Director Citizens for a Fair Vote Count To contact us, e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] Elites uber alles. CNN and psyops.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Somebody organized this right? The Fort Bragg group didn't just get drunk and find themselves working at CNN. This is where " who you know " counts. And the best place to make friends and influence people are in groups like CFR. [ Membership by invitation only.] Joshua2 === SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS - Thursday, March 23, 2000 The Military CNN by Alexander Cockburn A handful of military personnel from the 4th Psychological Operations Group (i.e. PSYOPs) based at Fort Bragg in North Carolina have until recently been working in CNN's headquarters in Atlanta. An enterprising Dutch journalist named Abe De Vries came up with this important story in mid-February, and he remains properly astounded that no mainstream news medium in the United States has evinced any interest in the story. I came across translations of De Vries' stories on the matter, after they had appeared in late February in Trouw, the foremost quality newspaper in Holland. De Vries later told me he'd originally come upon the story via an article in the French Intelligence newsletter (available on a pay-per-story basis on the Internet) Feb. 17, which described a military symposium in Arlington, Va., held at the beginning of that same month, discussing use of the press in military operations. Col. Christopher St. John, commander of the U.S. Army's 4th PSYOPs Group, was quoted by a French Intelligence correspondent, present at the symposium, as (in the correspondent's words) having ``called for greater cooperation between the armed forces and media giants. He (St. John) pointed out that some Army PSYOPs personnel had worked for CNN for several weeks, and helped in the production of some news stories for the network.'' Reading this in Belgrade, where he's Trouw's correspondent, De Vries saw a good story, picked up the phone, and finally reached Maj. Thomas Collins of the U.S. Army Information Service, who duly confirmed the presence of these Army PSYOPs experts at CNN. ``PSYOPs personnel, soldiers and officers,'' De Vries quoted Collins as telling him, ``have been working in CNN's headquarters in Atlanta through our program `Training with Industry.' They worked as regular employees of CNN. Conceivably, they would have worked on stories during the Kosovo war. They helped in the production of news.'' I reported this interesting disclosure in my newsletter, CounterPunch, and made it the topic of my regular weekly broadcast to ``AM Live,'' a program of the South Africa Broadcasting Company in Johannesburg. Among the audience of this broadcast was CNN's bureau in South Africa, which lost no time in relaying news of it to CNN headquarters in Atlanta, and I duly received an angry phone call from Eason Jordan, who identified himself as CNN's president of news gathering and international networks. Jordan was full of indignation that I had somehow compromised the reputation of CNN. But in the course of our conversation, it turned out that, yes, CNN had hosted a total of five interns from U.S. Army PSYOPs, two in television, two in radio, and one in satellite operations. Jordan said the program had begun on June 7 (just before the end of the war against Serbia), and only recently terminated, I would guess at about the time CNN's higher management read Abe De Vries' stories. Naturally enough, Eason Jordan and other executives at CNN now describe the Army PSYOPs intern tours at CNN as having been insignificant. Maybe so. Col. St. John, the commanding officer of the PSYOPs group, certainly thought them of sufficient significance to mention at that high-level Pentagon pow-wow in Arlington about propaganda and psychological warfare. Maybe CNN was the target of a PSYOPs penetration and is still too naive to figure out what was going on. It's hard not to laugh when CNN execs like Eason Jordan start spouting, as he did to me, high-toned stuff about CNN's principles of objectivity and refusal to relay government propaganda. During the war on Serbia, as with other recent conflicts involving the United States, CNN's screen was filled with an interminable procession of U.S. officers. On April 27 of last year, Amy Goodman of the Pacifica Radio network put the following question to Frank Sesno, who is CNN's senior vice president for political coverage. GOODMAN: ``If you support the practice of putting ex- military men -- generals -- on the payroll to share their opinion during a time of war, would you also support putting peace activists on the payroll to give a different opinion during a time of war? SESNO: ``We bring the generals in because of their expertise in a particular area. We call them analysts. We don't bring them in as advocates. In fact, we actually talk to them about
Re: [CTRL] Tooth faeries, Khazars, and Poley.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Listen up dog breath. Just because you and every yappy chuahaha (sp?) have the same genes on your Y chromosomes does not mean that you descend from the same ancestral wild canine thousands of years ago. However, it does mean you are missing a lot of the alleles for intelligence. FWP. On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- This is the same technique used to trace the Kohan genes from European Jews to the descendants of Aaron back past the Roman expulsions in 1st century Judea. This method is a valuable tool now being applied in many ways including the one below. This puts to end the idiotic and pathetic theories of those who would make Jews not Jews but Khazars who have no claim on the Bible or the " People of the Book." This method can also be used to debunk the MANY theories which exist as to who are the modern descendants of the " Lost Tribes." If there are no genetic markers showing Kohan genes in the populations making the claim, then they just aint got the right stuff. Wishful thinking does not an " Israelite " make. What are you going to do with this one Poley? How will you EVER double-talk your way out of this? You don't have the balls to admit you are a wrongheaded bigot, even in the face of genetic evidence. Waitng with baited breath, Ex-Khazar Joshua2 Geneticists find Irish are a race apart Emerald Isle westerners share unique Y chromosome type March 22 Irish geneticists have used surnames and the male Y chromosome to reconstruct a 1,000-year-old genetic map of Ireland that shows the Irish really are a race apart. WHEN YOU look at this old genetic geography of Ireland what you find is that in the West (of the country) we are almost exclusively of one type of Y chromosome, Daniel Bradley said Wednesday. The Y chromosome is passed down exclusively from father to son. It is a favorite of geneticists because it accentuates differences between populations. It is inherited as a unit so the information you get from it is of a special type, Bradley said. Bradley and his colleagues at Trinity College in Dublin examined the Y chromosomes of men with Gaelic surnames in the western-most province of Connaught, and found that 98.3 percent had a group of genes on the Y chromosome known as haplogroup 1. When you look at Gaelic surnames they are different in frequency of Y chromosome types from non-Gaelic surnames, Bradley said. In a report in the science journal Nature, he and his colleagues said that even within Ireland they found differences. Exploring our roots More than 98 percent of men with Gaelic names in western Ireland had haplogroup 1 but numbers dropped drastically on the east of the Emerald Isle. Much further east in Turkey only 1.8 percent of men carry haplogroup 1. Ireland may tell us something about European diversity because it is on the edge of Europe. Genetic diversity follows geography to some extent, Bradley said. The researchers said there is a gradient of haplogroup 1 across Europe starting at almost zero in the Far East to almost 100 percent in the west of Ireland. One of the most likely explanations for this is that farming, which was invented about 10,000 years ago in the near East and caused a fundamental revolution in the way humans lived, spread over across Europe with time but only arrived in western Ireland about 6,000 years ago. Ireland has been relatively untouched by this and the other great demographic movements because of its location That gives us the ability to look at the west and surnames and to get a snapshot of what early European genetics may have been like, Bradley said. © 2000 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] Tooth faeries, Khazars, and Poley.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Tenorlove wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- If I remember correctly, haven't both the creationists AND the evolutionists ultimately decided that we all come from a common ancestor? Interestingly worded. The creationists believe we all come from Adam and Eve which is only a legend and has no bearing on reality. Evolutionists could say we all evolved from a particular bacterium and would probably be right. But we are talking about a much later point in evolution where we branched off and became proto humans. If that is the case, then tribalism is a moot point. Not at all. Tribalism was for most of our history an evolutionary necessity and is to this day a biological fact. Everyone is tribal. But not everyone sees their tribe as defined by clan or race or religion or nationality. Doctors may see themselves as part of the " doctor tribe " and not as part of the Jewish tribe or African descendant tribe. The best example is that of the " elites." They see themselves as members of the elite tribe who are defined by great wealth and feel that only they should run the show. By this example, the Rothschilds may be of Jewish extraction and may have Jewish interests, but they have more in common with other members of their tribe like the Rockerfellers ( Baptists ), the Sultan of Brunai ( Moslem ), and the Angellis ( Catholic ). And even the Pope who is the head of a particular religious tribe and operates among the tribe of elites. Joshua2 Tenorlove shuddering to think she's married to a [WAY BACK IN TIME DISTANT] relative :-P __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Konformist List?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Would anyone here who subscribes to the Konformist list please let me know if there are still messages being posted? The date of my last messages from Konformist was 17FEB. I switched ISPs at the end of January and had a few minor problems with my email, including not being able to send any messages to AOL's Listserv. Thanks again, Kris, for resubbing me! -- ~~ Mark McHugh gnothi seauton A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Konformist List?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 3/25/00 3:02:09 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would anyone here who subscribes to the Konformist list please let me know if there are still messages being posted? I think the Konformist has gone on hiatus...something about a lack of funding...it's a shame too...was a great site! Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] To your corners......
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I agree 100%. It's because of constant prosyletizing that Ali's posts make me so angry. I have my own feelings about David Koresh, and they're at odds with his. I agree that there may very well be a government conspiracy involved in all of this. But Andrew has Koresh is Christ'ed me to absolute anger and disgust. This is not the only list he's been on doing his preaching, and I've watched him insult and accuse everyone who disagrees with him of being a cop, and tell them that they'll burn in hell, that they are responsible for killing the children at Branch Davidian. I will not argue with him anymore. I will consider him a waste of my time. But If he libels people I know, or insults others on the list, I will respond. Tara -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amelia Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 5:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] To your corners.. -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Could we all agree to a sort of "I won't tell you about my religious beliefs if you do not tell me about yours?" I will further spare you those of some of my neighbors and distant relatives and on and on. On this list religion should only be discussed in the context of conspiracies, not the "error of our ways and beliefs". I think we are all thinking people and have long ago established our belief systems. I have yet to see a conversion on list! Rarely even a change in opinion as we all tend to be rather opinionated, too. In other words, this is the proverbial "wrong tree" to bark up religion. Oh for the days of aluminum jackets and caps and room linings. The good old days of sleuth and stealth and more than meets the eye. The unearthing of hidden connections and plots afoot! Now it is like a scanning across AM radio in rural areas on Sunday morning--all sorts of voices with all sorts of messages preaching. This just is NOT the list for all of this religion. If folks insist on continuing to swamp the list with these posts, perhaps each of us should write them off list and "share" our beliefs, traditions, concerns and all aspects of our religious life with them. It is arrogant to assume to enlighten others in this area when they do not wish to be enlightened, let alone sold something. Amelia A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mental Illness American Dream (Pt 2)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From www.wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : North America Mental illness and the American Dream: Part 2 A comment by Frank Brenner 25 March 2000 Back to screen version This is the conclusion of a two-part series. The first part appeared on March 24. The American dream Let's say what the Surgeon-General's report could not: the underlying cause of mental illness is desperate unhappiness. This is so obvious (at least to the ideologically unblinkered) that it almost seems to cry out from the report's findings. Add to this the fact that the epidemic of mental illness is global (with the statistics for other industrialized countries much the same as US levels or else quickly catching up to them) and something else becomes clearthat the underlying cause of the unhappiness is capitalism. But probably nowhere else in the world is unhappiness a more unpopular subject than in the land of the American dream. Everywhere you are surrounded by images of happiness and successTV sitcoms and Hollywood happy endings and Calvin Klein billboards and celebrity faces staring at you from virtually every magazine cover and tabloid front page. Of course bad news gets lots of attention, but only after it's been sensationalized (or demonized or trivialized) by the mass mediathat is, after it's been stripped of its relevance to most people's lives; sensibilities get so deadened in this way that a basketball game can be more involving than watching a city get blown up. This kind of unhappiness does little to disrupt the veneer of happiness that envelops American society. In official ideology, social classes don't exist in America, only "winners" and "losers" do, and the promise of the American dream is that everybody can be a "winner." That dream was always a mirage; 150 years ago, Thoreau already saw the unhappy truth: The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.[1] Since that time, the mirage has become much more sophisticated and alluring: the cult of success and celebrity lets everyone be a "winner" vicariously. But the desperation has also intensified. Consider, for instance, the misery contained in these facts: America now has the longest work year of any industrialized country in the world. The average American married couple now works 6 weeks more each year than it did in 1989 (and 15 weeks more than it did in 1979).[2] What's left of life after a 50- or 55-hour workweek and another 25 to 30 hours of unpaid work at home? People are worked like machines and run into the grounduntil their hearts stop or their minds snap. And, for all that sacrifice, they have less and less to show for it, as living standards fall and the class divide broadens into a chasm. It almost goes without saying that most people are condemned to mind-numbing (and eventually soul-destroying) jobs, which nevertheless they're terrified of losing. And family life, which used to be, at least to some extent, a haven from the misery of the outside world is now more likely to be itself a source of pain and distress that is often emotionally devastating. For many people it keeps getting harder to bear their desperation quietly. But what can they do? Who can they turn to? The traditional channels for social discontentthe Democratic Party, the trade unions, protest movementsare all dead ends, and widely perceived as such. Besides, in a world that just seems to stare back at you with a blank smile, it's difficult even to see what connection your desperation has with reality. And then there is the immense pressure to conform that makes itself felt in every corner of American life, so that it isn't just those with diagnosable mental illnesses who are "stigmatized" but all too often anyone who "acts weird" or who simply doesn't "fit in." Under these conditions, it isn't any wonder that millions of people break down, dealing with an unbearable reality by what Freud called a "flight into illness." Millions more are almost as miserable, but because they go on functioning, their condition passes for "normal." And finally there are those who, instead of internalizing their despair, lash out in explosive rage, most often at their loved ones but increasingly in horrifying spasms of indiscriminate carnage which the media persists in characterizing as "meaningless" violence. People and things So we confront a stark contradictionso much unhappiness in a country that was founded on the principle of "the pursuit of happiness." True, this principle is deceptive since what it promises isn't happiness but just the chance to pursue it, and what most people get is endless pursuit and precious little joy. Still, the identification of American society with happiness played an enormous role in the political and ideological struggles of the twentieth century: in contrast to the grim repressiveness of Soviet society, America seemed a "free" country where individuals could live any way they wanted. And with
[CTRL] National Security Cloaks Advanced Hypno-Technology?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- .. A-albionic Research Weekly Up-date of March 25, 2000 Subject: National Security Cloaks Advanced Hypno-Technology? . . . "if the next war survives the first bomb it can be guaranteed that both sides will include hypnosis among their weapons. "And not merely for such crude and vulgar purposes as getting prisoners of war to talk: that trick is so obvious that both sides could protect against it simply by making sure in advance that all the good hypnotic subjects among their personnel were . . . made immune to the hypnotic state. The future will bring far more refined techniques than this. For developing some of them, the senior author of this book [Estabrooks], to whom the military applications of hypnosis have always been of interest, must plead guilty, and if the effort to discover means of helping one's country in time of war is antisocial, then he has engaged in antisocial behavior. It is not revealing military secrets to tell the story of some of these researches or to outline some of the ways hypnosis, when imaginatively applied, make its use undetectable; to know the possibilities does not mean to recognize them when they are put into action. Consider, for example, what might have happened if the techniques of military hypnosis devised during the Second World War had been used at that time. It was the Nazis who stimulated our first intensive investigations of the question: faced with the fact that they would undoubtedly use hypnosis if it was at all possible, we began to look into its potentials, too. And it soon became evident that the first idea which had occurred to usthat of using hypnosis to get information from prisoners of warwhile useful, was a very minor part of the picture. Of much more importance was the use hypnosis among our own military and civilian personnel. "Suppose, for example, that we were to use hypnosis to create a multiple personality, which could be manipulated at will by the hypnotist who had produced it and was entirely resistant to hypnosis by anyone whom the hypnotist had not specifically designated. The job would take time, but it would be entirely possible to carry out. Because hypnosis is such a powerful tool and dissociation such a common psychological mechanismafter all, all the material in the unconscious that has been pushed there by repression is dissociate from the conscious personality, and some such dissociated material can be found in even the healthiest of usan able hypnotist, working with a good hypnotic subject could, if he went about it in the proper way, split the subject's personality into two completely dissociated parts. "If we had tried this trick in World War II, we would have found ourselves a young man of unimpeachable patriotism and high suggestibility, and, in order to make him into a perfect spy, we would then have deliberately produced a split personality in him. We would, further, have so constructed this Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde that the primary personalitythat is, the conscious personality, the personality with which the subject identified himselfbecame everything he had previously abhorred. Before we begin to work on him, our subject is a completely loyal American, and a man of democratic principles, to whom all the brutality and race-hatred of Nazism are repugnant beyond words; a man who firmly believes that all men are created equal; a man who firmly believes that aggressive war should not be an instrument of national policy; a man to whom freedom and liberty are as precious as life. After a few months of our kindly ministrations he emerges somewhat altered. Now he is anti-Semitic, anti- democratic, anti-egalitarian, anti-libertarian, sadistic, warlikeperfect Storm Trooper material. And believing, as he now does, that the United States is decadent, that the Jews are subhuman, and that it is Hitler's historic mission to rule the world, he runs out and joins his local branch of the Nazi Bund and throws himself enthusiastically into all its activities. With his energy, vigor, and conviction, he may even rise to a position of some importance in the organization. Now he is a dedicated Nazi, an enemy to everything his country stands for. "How have we succeeded in producing this complete reversal? How can we make a monster out of a man? Unfortunately, it is quite simple. We tell the truth to the most important part of himhis unconscious. In hypnosis we make it clear to him that by cooperating in our experiment he is serving his country as a loyal American. The part of him of which he is conscious knows nothing of our purposes, nor could our purposes succeed under such circumstances. But the part of him of which he is aware can be made to carry out our purposes because the part of him of which he is not aware
Re: [CTRL] Controlled List?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I mean homeopathy? Chiropractic?? Funny thing about the dispute between the AMA and the chiropractors ... About 20 years ago I wrenched my back lifting an odd shaped apparatus. About a half hour after the event ended, my back felt like someone had winched every muscle above my derriere to the breaking point. Sitting down was in super slow motion. The AMA approved quackermeisters dispensed drugs, applied ultrasound to the affected area, and did some other things too disturbing to mention here. This BS went on for six months. Then I decided I would give the chiropractor a try. One X-Ray and three visits later, I felt as though I had never had an injury. Same thing with my neck, this time from poor desk flying posture. Same thing with a few other physical over-exertions. Had I any of the psychosoma, I'd have found all kinds of things for the MDs and the chiros to 'fix'. Now, I realise the AMA has a lot of members and they control a lot of of the medecine (theoretical) that people accept without question around the world. One must realise there are many tools in the bag but the one that costs the most or gets the most air time (Bob "Hard Working Man" Villa or Tim "Snowman" Allen) isn't necessarily the best in all circumstances. Remember that medecine is a 'practice'; you never see Andre Agassi 'practice' but always see him in some main event. Perhaps some day the mediquacks will finish practice and get on with their main event. Open minded and blind are 2 different things This recalls to mind the Platonic story of the men in the cave, and, the unseeing men who are set with the tack of describing an elephant. AER AER ~~~ Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." --Buddha + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." Ernest Hemingway + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Controlled List? and Homeopathy/Quackery
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Well, Bill, some might say that you are guilty of that which you condemn by "heavy-handedly" discounting and ridiculing those who accept homeopathy and other "non-traditional" treatment programs. One could easily question YOUR motivations as to why you feel it so imperative and so strongly to condemn and ridicule the ideas presented on this subject, but not I. For the record, I don't know if Homeopathy is any good at all, it may be junk science as you say, but if someone wants to tell me about it and give me an anecdotal report of its benefits then who am I to tell them they are full of it. This list is about information, and there may be a scrap that is valuable within the reams of junk that comes our way, and I say, if you like it fine, if you don't, just ignore it, or as is your wont, discredit it if you feel the need to, but let's not be about telling people to stop contributing, especially when there may be a gem of good information contained therein. Incidentally I agree with you that an important issue to focus more on is the idea of suppression of "legitimate" medical treatments by the medical community. So, Bill, let them have their placebo, what say you? On Sat, 25 March 2000, William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 3/25/00 11:29:59 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From time to time this issue has arisen here as people ask if this list is being duped or controlled (in good conspiratorial fashion I might add). The only real deception on this otherwise wonderful list is by those who come to preach the benefits of good ol' fashioned quackery...when certainly they know better. I mean homeopathy? Chiropractic?? Puhleese...Open minded and blind are 2 different things...some want to take advantage of others by pushing what is clearly a fraud by claiming a "big medicine" conspiracy...and there may well be a coverup or suppression of some worthy treatments...can't we concentrate on them and discontinue the heavyhanded promotion of pseudoscience and junk "medicine"? Peace, Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey For the largest MP3 index on the Web, go to http://mp3.altavista.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Estonian Nazis
-Original Message-From: To: Date: Saturday, March 25, 2000 5:26 AMSubject: Estonian Nazis Estonian Nazi commander reburied in Tallinn The ashes of an Estonian officer who commanded a unit of the Nazi Waffen-SS in the Second World War have been reburied in a ceremony in the Estonian capital, Tallinn. The officer, Alfons Rebane, served in the Estonian army until Soviet troops occupied the country in 1940. He joined the German army when it entered Estonia the following year. The Estonian prime minister, Mart Laar, described Rebane as one of Estonia's most prominent soldiers and said the country had a duty to rebury the ashes, which were brought from Germany. But political parties representing the ethnic Russian community have said the reburial amounts to a support of fascism. (source: BBC World Service, 06-26-99) This is only one of many example of resurgence of nazism in the Baltics. Last year SS veterans freely marched in Latvia, while a similar march by Russian W.W.II veterans was brutally suppressed by Latvian police, who used tear gas and sticks on 80-year-old men and women. This is not even about Russians living in the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, who are being treated like second-rate residents and are being denied the most basic human rights by the governments which want to become an integrated part of European society. This is only about government-supported neo-nazism, which is now being battled by the only true enemy of fascism - Russia. Meanwhile, the US and the European Union actively support the Baltic fascist states, restricting western free and democratic media from getting access to the facts about pro-fascist tendencies in internal and foreign politics of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia - the Fourth Reich trio. Anxious to join the North-Atlantic alliance and the European Union, there is no dirty job Estonia wouldn't do to earn NATO's appreciation. There were numerous case of Estonian citizens being caught spying in Russia. For example, in October of 1998 a citizen of Estonia was caught by security at a military installation in Pskov region, Russia. The detained man admitted that he was gathering sensitive information for Estonian intelligence services. These intelligence services were frequently linked to NATO. In a hurry to fill in the Baltic power vacuum, NATO countries and the United States in particular will blindly support any neo-nazi slime in Tallinn for as long as there is a promise of increased Anglo-American influence in the tiny Baltic state. It's not the small territory or non-existent natural resources of the country that the Americans are after, but the country's strategic location in relation to Russia and it's Baltic Fleet. Gaining political and military influence in the Baltics was always the most sacred desire of the Cold Warriors on the Capitol Hill. Consumed by the annoying illusions of the New World Order, American government and NATO leadership drag their countries and people into supporting Estonian fascists. The problem of resurgence of fascism, of course, is not limited only to Estonia, it also propagates down to Latvia and Lithuania. Both countries actively supported marches, meetings and other public activities of former Waffen SS members and other extremists, while suppressing the human and civil rights of ethnic minorities, such as Russian, Ukrainian and others. Some of you may have a question at this point: why did I decide to pick on poor, little Estonia, when there are larger and far more powerful countries in Europe and elsewhere that harbor neo-nazi organizations? What makes Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania so important is their strategic location for European security (and for Anglo-American New World Order fantasies). When national interests of many powerful nations concentrate in a couple of small countries governed by camouflaged fascists, the potential for growth of neo-nazism in these countries and around them is limitless and so are the effects of this growth on European and world politics. SS War Veterans Rally in Estonia July, 1998. Some 1,500 Estonian war veterans, mostly SS men but also survivors of the 1918-20 war of independence from tsarist Russia, gathered for their annual reunion in Tallinn on 11 July. However, unlike the reunion of Latvian SS Legion members in March, no government officials or army officers participated, and the rally took place without incident and without international protests. While critics said it was inappropriate to celebrate the activities of men who fought on the side of a nation which murdered millions of Jews, the organizers of the event emphasized that the participants had fought, unsuccessfully, in order to prevent the Soviets
Re: [CTRL] To your corners......
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- TO: Tenderlove: RE: The "War of the Words": * Well, At Least Someone else with Common Sense Agrees with me. Petty "Verbal Tit-For-Tat" Feuds in Writing Clog Up this Site. Waste other's time reading this "High School" style debating skill nonsense. To: The "Fueding Couple": ** If you want to "waste each other's time" that's your privilage and right. But Don't Expect the Rest of the Adults Here to Put Up With It.! Go to a Chat room or on the phone or snail mail. While you two are in a "pissing match" you alienate the rest of us and play into the hands of the very Liberal White Trash we all Loathe. Personally, I didn't subscribe to this "site" to listen to a "ping-pong" word exchange. Now Cool Off - for a while. That's my "not so humble opinion". **De Oppresso Liber** ~ UnAmerican Activities Investigation Commission - Vermont ~ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Controlled List?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- To be fair to Bill, I am sure he does not mean to lump ALL of Chiropractic in with his idea of junk science (in which he WOULD place ALL of Homeopathy I think). He has addressed this issue before and would probably say he does not think there is any validitiy to some of the more radical treatments espoused by SOME Chiropractors, like correspondence (which is related to reflexology, iridology, and other unorthodox treatment regimens). Chriopractic, in the sense of spinal, and muscular manipulation for the relief of pain and discomfort is a valuable and effective treatment method, IMO. Another point brought up here is the idea that the medical establishment is most concerned, today, with getting you, the patient, out of their hair as quick as possible, thus the PILL is the first form of treatment. Medication is pushed, whether it is the BEST or even a NECESSARY treatment or not. Here is a medical conspiracy (which has a parallel in the Police-drug forfeiture-policy). Pharmaceutical companies subsidize doctors to get them to prescribe their medicine, the medicine is accepted as THE STANDARD treatment, thus getting the pharmaceutical company more money, enabling them to make more drugs, that are pushed on people. There is a clear conflict of interest that apparently bothers no one. In the old days a doctor might give someone a sugar pill in order to try and alleviate a problem they could find no organic cause for, and guess what, sometimes it did the trick. Nowadays that same doctor would probably prescribe Prozac or some other powerful drug thinking the person was suffering from some undifferentiated depression. Medication as a first course of action is the problem, and the use of powerful chemical agents which profoundly affect the body in many ways as opposed to less potentially deadly treatments, like Chiropractic manipulation, or herbal treatments, etc. If the doctors and drug companies can make no money from it they will never accept any treatment as valid, it is that simple. On Sat, 25 March 2000, Alamaine wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I mean homeopathy? Chiropractic?? Funny thing about the dispute between the AMA and the chiropractors ... About 20 years ago I wrenched my back lifting an odd shaped apparatus. About a half hour after the event ended, my back felt like someone had winched every muscle above my derriere to the breaking point. Sitting down was in super slow motion. The AMA approved quackermeisters dispensed drugs, applied ultrasound to the affected area, and did some other things too disturbing to mention here. This BS went on for six months. Then I decided I would give the chiropractor a try. One X-Ray and three visits later, I felt as though I had never had an injury. Same thing with my neck, this time from poor desk flying posture. Same thing with a few other physical over-exertions. Had I any of the psychosoma, I'd have found all kinds of things for the MDs and the chiros to 'fix'. Now, I realise the AMA has a lot of members and they control a lot of of the medecine (theoretical) that people accept without question around the world. One must realise there are many tools in the bag but the one that costs the most or gets the most air time (Bob "Hard Working Man" Villa or Tim "Snowman" Allen) isn't necessarily the best in all circumstances. Remember that medecine is a 'practice'; you never see Andre Agassi 'practice' but always see him in some main event. Perhaps some day the mediquacks will finish practice and get on with their main event. Open minded and blind are 2 different things This recalls to mind the Platonic story of the men in the cave, and, the unseeing men who are set with the tack of describing an elephant. "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey For the largest MP3 index on the Web, go to http://mp3.altavista.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Elites uber alles. CNN and psyops.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- The military departments each have some program that goes along the lines of 'education with industry'. One can easily extrapolate the reasons *why* the media and psychological manipulation go hand in glove. When one can control the news, one can influence a whole bunch of things, especially peoples' opinions. Recall Voice of America, Radio Martina, the bombing of the Yugoslav TV station (then the Chinese embassy as sublocation), and, of course, Desert Shield/Storm. I suppose "War of the Worlds" might have been effective at Waco, too. AER Subject: [CTRL] Elites uber alles. CNN and psyops. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Somebody organized this right? The Fort Bragg group didn't just get drunk and find themselves working at CNN. AER ~~~ Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." --Buddha + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." Ernest Hemingway + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mental Illness American Dream (Pt 2)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- OK, this is taking you close to a complete description of a DYSFUNCTIONAL CULTURE (USA). Indeed a dysfunctional megalomania culture which wants to rule, read enslave, the world. Just ask Vatican to describe for you the Culture of Life vs. Culture of Death which its script writers trot out ad nauseam. While waiting for an answer you can hum that pop song, "Don't worry...be happy." FWP. -Original Message- From: Alamaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, March 25, 2000 2:07 PM Subject: [CTRL] Mental Illness American Dream (Pt 2) -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From www.wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : North America Mental illness and the American Dream: Part 2 A comment by Frank Brenner 25 March 2000 Back to screen version This is the conclusion of a two-part series. The first part appeared on March 24. The American dream Let's say what the Surgeon-General's report could not: the underlying cause of mental illness is desperate unhappiness. This is so obvious (at least to the ideologically unblinkered) that it almost seems to cry out from the report's findings. Add to this the fact that the epidemic of mental illness is global (with the statistics for other industrialized countries much the same as US levels or else quickly catching up to them) and something else becomes clearthat the underlying cause of the unhappiness is capitalism. But probably nowhere else in the world is unhappiness a more unpopular subject than in the land of the American dream. Everywhere you are surrounded by images of happiness and successTV sitcoms and Hollywood happy endings and Calvin Klein billboards and celebrity faces staring at you from virtually every magazine cover and tabloid front page. Of course bad news gets lots of attention, but only after it's been sensationalized (or demonized or trivialized) by the mass mediathat is, after it's been stripped of its relevance to most people's lives; sensibilities get so deadened in this way that a basketball game can be more involving than watching a city get blown up. This kind of unhappiness does little to disrupt the veneer of happiness that envelops American society. In official ideology, social classes don't exist in America, only "winners" and "losers" do, and the promise of the American dream is that everybody can be a "winner." That dream was always a mirage; 150 years ago, Thoreau already saw the unhappy truth: The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.[1] Since that time, the mirage has become much more sophisticated and alluring: the cult of success and celebrity lets everyone be a "winner" vicariously. But the desperation has also intensified. Consider, for instance, the misery contained in these facts: America now has the longest work year of any industrialized country in the world. The average American married couple now works 6 weeks more each year than it did in 1989 (and 15 weeks more than it did in 1979).[2] What's left of life after a 50- or 55-hour workweek and another 25 to 30 hours of unpaid work at home? People are worked like machines and run into the grounduntil their hearts stop or their minds snap. And, for all that sacrifice, they have less and less to show for it, as living standards fall and the class divide broadens into a chasm. It almost goes without saying that most people are condemned to mind-numbing (and eventually soul-destroying) jobs, which nevertheless they're terrified of losing. And family life, which used to be, at least to some extent, a haven from the misery of the outside world is now more likely to be itself a source of pain and distress that is often emotionally devastating. For many people it keeps getting harder to bear their desperation quietly. But what can they do? Who can they turn to? The traditional channels for social discontentthe Democratic Party, the trade unions, protest movementsare all dead ends, and widely perceived as such. Besides, in a world that just seems to stare back at you with a blank smile, it's difficult even to see what connection your desperation has with reality. And then there is the immense pressure to conform that makes itself felt in every corner of American life, so that it isn't just those with diagnosable mental illnesses who are "stigmatized" but all too often anyone who "acts weird" or who simply doesn't "fit in." Under these conditions, it isn't any wonder that millions of people break down, dealing with an unbearable reality by what Freud called a "flight into illness." Millions more are almost as miserable, but because they go on functioning, their condition passes for "normal." And finally there are those who, instead of internalizing their despair, lash out in explosive rage, most often at their loved ones but increasingly in horrifying spasms of indiscriminate carnage which the media persists in characterizing as
Re: [CTRL] To your corners......
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I agree. I was beginning to think that there was no one of mind enough to talk or discuss this most important "Unsolved" crime, which is the most pregnant Conspiracy of our time. I have been foolish to engage in this emotionalism. I have noticed this problem in other approaches that I have been taking. Thank you for pulling me up on some very foolish behavior. What do you mean by "White Trash", the poor? ZOG? Nazi? KKK? JDL? Republican? Democrat? or just simply Bill Clinton? Andrew X98 "The Watchman" The "Cover-up Church" was founded on the Sabbath 9-18-99 by Agent, Clive Doyle Waco Video: "X A True Revelation" $10.98 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Children were "HACKED" to death before the fire! http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/index.html David Koresh Said: "The earthquake in Waco is not something to be taken lightly. It will probably be "the thing" needed to shake some sense into the people." -Original Message- From: uaicvtmb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, March 25, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] To your corners.. -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- TO: Tenderlove: RE: The "War of the Words": * Well, At Least Someone else with Common Sense Agrees with me. Petty "Verbal Tit-For-Tat" Feuds in Writing Clog Up this Site. Waste other's time reading this "High School" style debating skill nonsense. To: The "Fueding Couple": ** If you want to "waste each other's time" that's your privilage and right. But Don't Expect the Rest of the Adults Here to Put Up With It.! Go to a Chat room or on the phone or snail mail. While you two are in a "pissing match" you alienate the rest of us and play into the hands of the very Liberal White Trash we all Loathe. Personally, I didn't subscribe to this "site" to listen to a "ping-pong" word exchange. Now Cool Off - for a while. That's my "not so humble opinion". **De Oppresso Liber** ~ UnAmerican Activities Investigation Commission - Vermont ~ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tooth faeries, Khazars, and Poley.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I know that we are not acquainted. However I am sure you will agree that minor arguements will not solve differences of opinion. And major one's start "wars" of which on e-mail serves no usefull purpose ! A lot of which can be just ignored - especially on the "list groups". Because most people by a certain stage in life will already have their minds made up. No matter that to you or me they may be totally "wrong" in their opinion ! Of course there is no way you can use a "bull horn" on someone that is "Bull Headed". Catch my Drift? Remember, no matter what was said, it is not worth a trip to the Hospital over it ! Perhaps you should retitle Subject as: " Tooth Faeries, Bazaars, and Pfooy !" ~ uaicvtmb ~ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Autoreply: Re: [CTRL] Forwarded Post
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"
/A -Cui Bono?-
I know this may be silly of me to post this:
BUT, on my farm I had 50 Chickens and
a couple of Roosters. Well, guess what
they all got along, and all slept in the
same "Chicken House". LOL. {[:^)
~ Mike ~ in Vermont. 3/25/2K
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Re: [CTRL] retractors' accounts
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Hi ! Below please find info on retractors' accounts as evidence. Sincerely, Neil Brick "Retractors' Accounts As Evidence For The False Memory Syndrome Theory: Theoretical And Empirical Perspectives" by W. Hovdestad, A. Brommit, S. Ashton, C. Vestervelt,Dept. of Psychology, Carleton Univ., Ottawa, at the Annual Convention of the Canadian Psychological Assoc., Halifax, Nova Scotia, 5/22/99. "This paper combines a critical literature review with empirical findings from a content analysis of 48 retractors' previously published first-person accounts of their experiences. Preliminary results indicate that commonly-held ideas about women said to suffer from FMS may be mistaken." For reprints, contact: Wendy E. Hovdestad, Ph.D. Candidate, Dept. of Psychology, Carleton Univ., Ottawa, Ontario K1S 5B6, [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Harrelson must stand trial in hemp case-US court
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Harrelson must stand trial in hemp case-US court Updated 8:13 AM ET March 24, 2000 FRANKFORT, Ky. (Reuters) - The Kentucky Supreme Court Thursday derailed Woody Harrelson's crusade to legalize hemp cultivation, ordering the actor to stand trial for planting four seeds of the marijuana relative in 1996. In ruling against Harrelson, the court cited evidence that legalizing hemp would make law enforcement's job too difficult because of the difficulty in distinguishing between it and potent varieties of marijuana. Hemp, used to make textiles and rope, contains minute amounts of the drug THC that makes marijuana smokers "high." Harrelson has become a vocal advocate for those who say the plant could become a helpful cash crop to hard-pressed farmers. Harrelson, famous on television as the bartender in "Cheers" and for his roles in "Natural Born Killers" and other Hollywood films, said he planted the seeds in June 1996 to challenge the law and allow Kentucky farmers to grow hemp legally. He has said hemp was Kentucky's leading cash crop 50 years ago and could be again, particularly for farmers wanting to abandon tobacco. The Kentucky court disagreed, stating that "there was no evidence that hemp would ever be a successful domestic crop. "In any event the economic benefits to be realized from hemp are not relevant to the constitutionality of the statute," the court said in its 14-page ruling. In overturning a lower court's judgment that the statute was "over-broad and vague," the panel of six judges suggested that the subject of legalization belonged in the state legislature, not the courts. It said Harrelson must stand trial on two misdemeanor charges -- one for cultivating marijuana and the other for possession. Guilty findings would not necessarily result in jail time. A few states have agreed to grow experimental hemp crops and several more have financed university studies to examine hemp's viability as a cash crop. Harrelson has said one of his motives in seeking hemp's legalization was to prevent further losses of old-growth forests to make paper and wood products. The actor owns a California firm, Hempstead Co., that sells textiles made from hemp, which is also used in shampoos, paper and other products. The company must import raw hemp from China and Hungary. Marijuana was outlawed in the United States in 1937, although hemp was widely grown during World War II to make rope and other materials. A group called the Kentucky Hemp Growers Association has filed suit in federal court against the law, arguing that Congress did not intend to ban hemp. Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Operation Mockingbird - The Subversion Of America's Free Press By The CIA
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Operation Mockingbird - Operation Mockingbird - The Subversion Of America's Free Press By The CIA 3-24-00 "You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month." CIA operative discussing with Philip Graham, editor Washington Post, on the availability and prices of journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories. "Katherine The Great," by Deborah Davis (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1991) As terrible as it is to live in a nation where the press in known to be controlled by the government, at least one has the advantage of knowing the bias is present, and to adjust for it. In the United States of America, we are taught from birth that our press is free from such government meddling. This is an insideous lie about the very nature of the news institution in this country. One that allows the government to lie to us while denying the very fact of the lie itself. The Alex Constantine Article Tales from the Crypt The Depraved Spies and Moguls of the CIA's Operation MOCKINGBIRD By Alex Constantine Who Controls the Media? Soulless corporations do, of course. Corporations with grinning, double-breasted executives, interlocking directorates, labor squabbles and flying capital. Dow. General Electric. Coca-Cola. Disney. Newspapers should have mastheads that mirror the world: The Westinghouse Evening Scimitar, The Atlantic-Richfield Intelligentser . It is beginning to dawn on a growing number of armchair ombudsmen that the public print reports news from a parallel universe - one that has never heard of politically-motivated assassinations, CIA-Mafia banking thefts, mind control, death squads or even federal agencies with secret budgets fattened by cocaine sales - a place overrun by lone gunmen, where the CIA and Mafia are usually on their best behavior. In this idyllic land, the most serious infraction an official can commit __is a the employment of a domestic servant with (shudder) no residency status. This unlikely land of enchantment is the creation of MOCKINGBIRD. It was conceived in the late 1940s, the most frigid period of the cold war, when the CIA began a systematic infiltration of the corporate media, a process that often included direct takeover of major news outlets. In this period, the American intelligence services competed with communist activists abroad to influence European labor unions. With or without the cooperation of local governments, Frank Wisner, an undercover State Department official assigned to the Foreign Service, rounded up students abroad to enter the cold war underground of covert operations on behalf of his Office of Policy Coordination. Philip Graham, __a graduate of the Army Intelligence School in Harrisburg, PA, then publisher of the Washington Post., was taken under Wisner's wing to direct the program code-named
Re: [CTRL] To your corners......
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- FYI The Term "White Trash" can be used for All the Individuals who are unlucky enough to be Traitors to Constitution and We the People in the Declaration of Independence. You may List the : CFR, Illuminitti, Socialist - Stalinist, any of the N.W.O. , U.N., WTO, WHO, Supporters. Etc. That explainition should be sufficient for you. Thanks for your time and considertion. ~ Mike ~ U.A.I.C.-VT. BTW - My Intention in Reading / Posting Here is NOT to Start Any "War of the Words". A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Part 1 - Mental illness and the American Dream:
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Dave Hartley http://www.asheville-computer.com/dave "One can understand now why prevention has been a failure because the only way to achieve effective results is through fundamental social change; in other words, this isn't a public health issue in any conventional sense but a social and political struggle." WSWS : News Analysis : North America Mental illness and the American Dream: Part 1 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/mar2000/ment-m24.shtml A comment by Frank Brenner 24 March 2000 This is the first of a two-part series. THE SURGEON-GENERAL'S REPORT The numbers tell a nightmare. According to a major report on mental health recently issued by Surgeon-General David Satcher, the top public health official in the US, one in five Americans suffers from a diagnosable mental disorder each year and half the entire population have such disorders at some time in their lives.[1] Half the population! A staggering figure, hard to get one's head around: is a term like epidemic even adequate to characterize a situation of this magnitude? And yet, horrifying as these numbers are, they aren't that surprising, certainly not to anyone professionally involved in the field nor, I suspect, to a large section of the general public. If the discussions I've had or heard on this issue are anything to go by, a not uncommon reaction to this information is: "Only half?" It isn't just that everyone seems to know someone who's had "mental problems" or that, with the wholesale shutdown of mental hospitals, the mentally ill (and the wretchedness of their lives) have become a much more visible presence on city streets; it is also the widespread feeling these days that people no longer have much (or any) control over their lives and hence that there is something "crazy" about what is happening to them. There are a lot more numbers in the report, most of them tokens of suffering: * mental illness, including suicide, is the Number 2 cause of disability (defined as " years of life lost to premature death and years lived with a disability of specified severity and duration" ), less than heart disease but worse than cancer and AIDS combined; * a fifth of all children show signs and symptoms of a diagnosable mental disorder in any given year, though only 5 percent suffer " extreme functional impairment" ; * among adults, ages 18 to 54, 15 percent suffer anxiety disorders, 7 percent have mood disorders and a little over 1 percent have schizophrenia; * depression is common among people 65 and older - this is the age group with the highest suicide rates, though the report offers the dubious consolation that " suicidal thoughts are sometimes considered a normal facet of old age." Five hundred pages long, the report ( Mental Health: A Report of the Surgeon General) brings together a huge amount of data from the findings of hundreds of recent studies. It would be hard to imagine a more comprehensive document: this is the state of the art, as far as mental health is concerned, at the end of the twentieth century. And, as The New York Times points out, it carries added significance because it " puts the imprimatur of the government on the findings" ; the hope of those involved is that, like the 1964 Surgeon-General's report on smoking, this new report will become a catalyst for a major shift in public attitudes to mental illness.[2] Accordingly, the basic tone of the report (to use current bureaucratic jargon) is "pro-active": though the suffering due to mental illness is widespread, the expert opinion of the report is that most of that suffering is avoidable. One of the document's key findings is that nearly two-thirds of people who have mental disorders don't seek treatment, even though effective treatments already exist. The report highlights a number of reasons for this: simple ignorance that one has a disorder or that it can be treated; a fear of being stigmatized as mentally ill by family and friends; and - what is no doubt the decisive factor for a great many people - the fact that they can't afford treatment since they have no medical insurance or else the insurance they do have doesn't cover mental illness. Changing attitudes to mental illness and improving access to treatment are, of course, laudable aims. Not so laudable is what the report says (or doesn't say) about how to achieve them. It insists that its proposals won't cost a lot of money; similarly, it assures HMOs and medical insurers that cost increases from covering mental illness would be minimal. This is nonsense: if the great bulk of people who need help and aren't now getting it start showing up for treatment, it's obvious that they could only be accommodated by a major expansion of mental health services, and that means a major increase in funding. Why this denying of the obvious? Because to admit it would clash directly with the economic agenda of the Clinton administration (which,
[CTRL] Part 2: Mental illness and the American Dream
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Dave Hartley http://www.asheville-computer.com/dave "We are living in the twilight of the American dream. The epidemic of mental illness, the pervasiveness of sexual misery - these both show that the rift between the happy surface of society and the despair underneath is becoming too great to sustain. Millions of people are losing any hope that life will ever get better. But the fading away of a false dream can also be the beginning of a revival of hope. " == WSWS : News Analysis : North America Mental illness and the American Dream: Part 2 URL: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/mar2000/ment-m25.shtml A comment by Frank Brenner 25 March 2000 This is the conclusion of a two-part series. The first part appeared on March 24. The American dream Let's say what the Surgeon-General's report could not: the underlying cause of mental illness is desperate unhappiness. This is so obvious (at least to the ideologically unblinkered) that it almost seems to cry out from the report's findings. Add to this the fact that the epidemic of mental illness is global (with the statistics for other industrialized countries much the same as US levels or else quickly catching up to them) and something else becomes clear - that the underlying cause of the unhappiness is capitalism. But probably nowhere else in the world is unhappiness a more unpopular subject than in the land of the American dream. Everywhere you are surrounded by images of happiness and success - TV sitcoms and Hollywood happy endings and Calvin Klein billboards and celebrity faces staring at you from virtually every magazine cover and tabloid front page. Of course bad news gets lots of attention, but only after it's been sensationalized (or demonized or trivialized) by the mass media - that is, after it's been stripped of its relevance to most people's lives; sensibilities get so deadened in this way that a basketball game can be more involving than watching a city get blown up. This kind of unhappiness does little to disrupt the veneer of happiness that envelops American society. In official ideology, social classes don't exist in America, only "winners" and "losers" do, and the promise of the American dream is that everybody can be a "winner." That dream was always a mirage; 150 years ago, Thoreau already saw the unhappy truth: " The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." [1] Since that time, the mirage has become much more sophisticated and alluring: the cult of success and celebrity lets everyone be a "winner" vicariously. But the desperation has also intensified. Consider, for instance, the misery contained in these facts: America now has the longest work year of any industrialized country in the world. The average American married couple now works 6 weeks more each year than it did in 1989 (and 15 weeks more than it did in 1979).[2] What's left of life after a 50- or 55-hour workweek and another 25 to 30 hours of unpaid work at home? People are worked like machines and run into the ground - until their hearts stop or their minds snap. And, for all that sacrifice, they have less and less to show for it, as living standards fall and the class divide broadens into a chasm. It almost goes without saying that most people are condemned to mind-numbing (and eventually soul-destroying) jobs, which nevertheless they're terrified of losing. And family life, which used to be, at least to some extent, a haven from the misery of the outside world is now more likely to be itself a source of pain and distress that is often emotionally devastating. For many people it keeps getting harder to bear their desperation quietly. But what can they do? Who can they turn to? The traditional channels for social discontent - the Democratic Party, the trade unions, protest movements - are all dead ends, and widely perceived as such. Besides, in a world that just seems to stare back at you with a blank smile, it's difficult even to see what connection your desperation has with reality. And then there is the immense pressure to conform that makes itself felt in every corner of American life, so that it isn't just those with diagnosable mental illnesses who are "stigmatized" but all too often anyone who "acts weird" or who simply doesn't "fit in." Under these conditions, it isn't any wonder that millions of people break down, dealing with an unbearable reality by what Freud called a "flight into illness." Millions more are almost as miserable, but because they go on functioning, their condition passes for "normal." And finally there are those who, instead of internalizing their despair, lash out in explosive rage, most often at their loved ones but increasingly in horrifying spasms of indiscriminate carnage which the media persists in characterizing as "meaningless" violence. People and things So we confront a stark contradiction - so much unhappiness in a country that was
[CTRL] The United Nations is the Greatest Fraud in all History
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! The United Nations is the Greatest Fraud in all History It's Purpose is to Destroy the United States Congressman John E. Rankin THE TRUTH By LtCol "Bud" Farrell, USAF, ret. When I was a young officer and jet fighter pilot flying missions in the Korean Conflict (unknowingly under the command of a Soviet General of the United Nations Security Council), I could never understand HOW THE ENEMY KNEW SO MUCH ABOUT US, as broadcast almost daily over the communist Pyongyang radio station in North Korea. Our wives' names, childrens' names, Squadron Commander names, flight numbers, etc.! The North Koreans knew when we were coming, how many of us there were, what type of aircraft we were flying and even the targets we were to hit. Later I realized that the naval and ground forces suffered the same fate that we did, especially our Army and Marine infantry troops. All of our military operations had to be forwarded by radio to the Soviet Commander of the United Nations Security Council at the United Nations Building, New York City, for approval before our forces went into action against the North Koreans and Red Chinese. The Soviet Commander of the United Nations Security Council delayed the battle plans until he used the radios in the United Nations Building in New York to relay all our "battle planning information" to Moscow, North Korea and Red China. The enemy then contacted and relayed these same battle plans to their communist forces in the field. The enemy knew when to move from an area and when to attack our smaller fighting forces. They knew beforehand when we were coming and how many of us there were. They knew everything about us all the time - 24 hours a day!!! I later found this same form of "treason" was used against our forces in the VietNam War. All information regarding "every battle plan in Vietnam" was given to the North Vietnamese, Soviets (Advisors), and Viet Cong Troops in the field DURING THE ENTIRE WAR. The enemy knew our every move at all times. Our troops were led like sheep to the slaughter in both Korea and Viet Nam. Like blind fools we sent our combat plans to the enemy for approval. There was a standing joke among us fighter pilots. "That Moscow had a file on each and every one of us." How little did we really know. Every mission, every movement was compromised! General Walt, former Commander of the United States Marine Corps, reflected upon this information in his book that was written in the early 1980's. This was never allowed to appear in any bookstore in the United States. During the Korean and Viet Nam conflicts, thousands of our fighting men were mentally or physically incapacitated BECAUSE OF THIS TREASON! To this day, the Soviets (or someone from one of their satellite countries) are the only ones who can command the United Nations "World Police Forces". Each and every one of us that served in Korea or Viet Nam served under the total command of a Soviet General! Here are the names of the soviets and the dates they served as "Under-Secretary of the Security Council of the United Nations," thus the highest military commander of all United Nations fighting forces anywhere in the world, INCLUDING ALL MILITARY FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES. These names and information was obtained from the United Nations yearbooks up through 1983. Later yearbooks were not available. (All listed below are Soviet Generals holding the office of "Under-Secretary for Security and Political Affairs"): 1946-1949 Arkady Alexandrovitch Sobolev 1949-1953 Constantine E. Zinchenko 1953-1954 Dragoslov Protich 1958-1959 Antoly Dobrinin 1960-1962 George Petrovich Arkadev 1962-1963 Eugeny D. Kiselev 1963-1964 Vladimir Paulovitch Suslov 1965-1967 Alexel Efemovitch Nesternko 1968-1973 Leonid N. Kutakov 1973-1978 Arkadv N. Shevchenko 1978-1980 Mikhail D. Sytenko 1981-1983 Vlacheslav A. Ustinov 1988- Vasiliy Safronchuk "The post for 'Political and Security Affairs' traditionally has been held by a SOVIET NATIONALS is Senior Advisor to the Secretary-General." [New York Times, May 22, 1963] The Soviet Lt. General Alexandre Vasiliev, the Soviet Representative on the United Nations (Mini) Military Staff Committee from 1947 to January 1950, is the same General Vasiliev who took "a leave of absence from his United Nations job" and was PLACED BY THE SOVIET UNION AND RED CHINA IN COMMAND OF ALL CHINESE COMMUNIST TROOP MOVEMENTS ACROSS THE 38TH PARALLEL. During the Korean "Police Action", Lt. General Vasiliev received all his military information and troop movements of all United Nations forces in Korea directly from his superior, Soviet General Constantine E. Zinchenko (see above, 1949-1953), who served as Under-Secretary of the Security Council of the United Nations in New York. ALL battle plans
[CTRL] Somalia Revisited: Gadhafi's Plan for Partition
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! STRATFOR.COM Global Intelligence Update 22 March 2000 Somalia Revisited: Gadhafi's Plan for Partition Summary The Libyan government is sponsoring a plan that may finally bring a measure of peace to war-torn Somalia. The plan aims to turn Somalia - in which the United States intervened briefly in the early 1990s - from a land of dozens of feuding clans into a unified country ruled by two dominant factions. Ultimately, however, the Libyan plan appears likely to partition the country. As a result, neighboring Ethiopia will cement its access to ports on the Red Sea. Libya will gain a steadily larger role in Africa, as well as maintain its grip on an important airbase in central Somalia. Analysis The Libyan government is drafting plans that would put Somalia under the control of a two-headed government, controlled by a pair of the country's most important factions, the Somali newspaper Ayaamaha reported on March 18, citing diplomatic sources. The report stated that Libya is also urging neighboring Djibouti to drop its plans for forming a transitional Somali government. Since 1991, when insurgents overthrew President Siad Barre and drove him from the country, Somalia has been in the throes of anarchy. The Somali army dissolved into competing armed groups, loyal either to former commanders or clan-tribal leaders. For a brief period in the early 1990s the international community intervened. U.S. forces withdrew in 1994, after a battle with Somali gunmen left U.S. Rangers dead and hundreds of Somalis dead or wounded. In 1999, two regional actors, Eritrea and Ethiopia, further aggravated Somalia's civil war by manipulating and arming Somali groups as part of their own war. Now, the governments of Djibouti and Libya have put forth two plans for stabilizing Somalia and re-establishing a functional government. Surrounded by Eritrea, Ethiopia and Somalia, Djibouti would like to see some stability on its borders. Libyan interests in Somalia include access to Mogadishu's port facilities and use of the Baledogle air base. Also, working to stabilize Somalia serves as a short term, low-risk public relations exercise for Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, who has significantly expanded his influence in Africa by helping some of the continent's most troubled nations. The two peace plans are vastly different. The Djibouti plan mirrors many international peace plans that have failed. It calls on warlords to convert their clan-based factions into political parties, commit to a complete and verifiable disarmament and respect the creation of a Somali police force to replace armed militias. The Libyan plan, however, seems more likely to succeed because it accepts the harsh reality of the Somali situation. It seeks to set up a government comprised of two major groups. The first, dubbed Sodere, is named for an Ethiopian town, and is composed of major pro-Ethiopian factions. The second group, Salballar, would be a faction allied to the principal warlord of the ruined capital city of Mogadishu, Hussein Mohamed Aideed. The Libyan plan is steadily gaining support. The Ethiopian government now backs it. Landlocked Ethiopia wants to continue to use the Somali port of Berbera, located in the northern, self- declared state of Somaliland, whose government would be part of Sodere. Col. Abdullahi Yusuf, president of the self-proclaimed pro- Ethiopian Puntland regional government in the north, and Hussein Aideed, in the central part of the country, have both accepted the Libyan proposal and rejected the Djibouti plan. Tripoli's plan, after all, protects the Somali clans' interests. The prospect of order in Somalia, however, is not permanent. It seems likely that the two factions - one that is backed by Ethiopia and the other led by Aideed - will probably be able to work together and form a government. And in such a period, smaller weaker groups will fall in line behind the two main factions. This two-headed arrangement would probably only last for a year, at best. The situation would be easy to manipulate in the context of the ongoing Ethiopian-Eritrean civil war; not only would one element of a Somali government be allied with Ethiopia but Aideed is backed by Eritrea. Similar Somali experiments in the past have failed in the space of anywhere from a few months to a year. Over the long term, it seems likely that two Somalias would emerge from the Libyan peace plan. The pro-Ethiopian faction would control the north, Somaliland and Puntland, and Aideed would control the central part of the country, the Mogadishu area, along with part of the south. The emergence of two Somalias would still stabilize the region - while furthering Ethiopian and Libyan interests. Landlocked and facing difficulty in using the port at Djibouti, the government in Addis-Ababa would gain long-term access to ports on the
[CTRL] Written by a minister:
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! Written by a minister: As I was making my daily journey to the Post Office the other day, I patiently waited for a car to vacate a parking space near the door. As the rear of the vehicle came toward me, I noticed a bumper sticker which read, in big, bold letters, "THANK ME. I VOTED CLINTON-GORE." Of course, the bumper sticker was printed in response to an earlier sticker which adorned some automobiles some six years ago. Back then, as Presidents Bill and Hillary were attempting to nationalize health care and play havoc with the discipline and fiber of the military, "Don't Blame Me. I Voted For Bush" was the message on many bumpers. Hence, the "Thank Me," message came in response. Pondering the message of the brave, stubborn soul in the car ahead of me, I considered all the things I could be thankful for as a result of the Clinton-Gore regime. Indeed, I discovered the list was long and varied. So it is to that fellow, I offer a hearty "Thank you!" Thank you for introducing us to Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinski and about two dozen other names that we might not have met and known otherwise. Thank you for allowing a war hero and the author of one of the most successful military campaigns in military history to leave the presidency because, no matter how successful he was, we, in all our moral outrage, just wouldn't tolerate someone who would lie to the American people by promising "no new taxes" and then going back on his word. We certainly can't have a liar in the White House, now can we? Thank you for showing all the men and women in America that sexual harassment in the work place, and on the job, is okay as long as it involves powerful middle-age executives and the young women half their age under their power. It is, after all, a "private matter." Thank you for revealing that the agenda of the National Organization for Women only includes some women. Women like Anita Hill, and not women like Paula Jones, Monica Lewinski, et. al. Thank you for allowing us to come to the realization that "sexual relations" is not clearly defined after all. And all these years, I thought that "oral sex" really had something to do with sex! (Imagine!) (Or is it Oral Sex when you talk about it ...?) Thank you for giving us a president who discusses his choice of underwear with teenagers. We always wondered if presidents wore boxers or briefs. Thank you for installing a man who reminds us of those good old days of pot-smoking (without inhaling, of course) and war protesting. Thank you for showing us that the ridiculous plot of the movie, "Wag the Dog," could really be plausible after all. Thank you for introducing the concept of "impeachment" to a new generation that missed the discussion surrounding it the last time it was brought up. Thank you for curing me of my addiction to the evening news. Thank you for reminding us that the government that gave us the Internal Revenue Service and welfare, also lusts for control of the greatest health care system in the world. Thank you for reminding us that the FBI, who has a file on millions of Americans, including myself, can give those files to people powerful enough to demand them. Thank you for reminding us that, when all is said and done, character really, really does matter. And, in comparison to recent days: Thank you for making Dan Quayle look like the Rhodes Scholar. Thank you for making Jimmy Carter look competent. Thank you for making Gerald Ford look graceful. Thank you for making Richard Nixon look honest. Thank you for making Lyndon Johnson look truthful. Thank you for making John Kennedy look moral. Thank you for making Al Gore look positively presidential. Thank you for reminding us of the importance of term limits. And really, thank you not once, but twice! Why, if not for you, instead of the current, interesting discussion all over the television networks and newspapers, we would be focused on a whole slew of trivial matters such as giving secrets to China in exchange for campaign contributions, global defense, the economy, nukes in North Korea, genocide in Africa Kosovo, the containment of terrorism, and all those other boring topics. So, thank you, thank you, thank you! Since Bill Clinton took office, here are some of the good things that have happened: 72 House and Senate witnesses have pled the Fifth Amendment 17 witnesses have fled the country to avoid testifying. 19 foreign witnesses have refused to be interviewed by US investigative bodies. 19 charges from Whitewater investigations 4 convictions from Whitewater investigations 8 imprisonment's from Whitewater investigations. 55 total charges in all Clinton scandals 32 total convictions (so far) in all Clinton scandals 14 total
[CTRL] Im not backing up anymore!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! Iâm not backing up anymore! By Chuck Baldwin March 21, 2000 Iâll say it right up front: Iâm tired of backing up. Iâm tired of being asked to compromise. Iâm tired of giving ground. My line is drawn in the sand. Iâm not backing up anymore! Henry Hyde and other Republican leaders are angry with the NRA for telling the truth about Bill Clinton. People like Clinton and Schumer have made a career at using gun violence to further their extremist, anti-gun agenda. For years, they have turned tragedies into an excuse to trample constitutional liberties. So, why is Hyde upset? Republican leaders are upset because they say the NRA has made it more difficult to enact "reasonable" gun control laws. Hallelujah! We already have over 20,000 "reasonable" gun laws on the books, for all the good it does us. In the name of reason and compromise, guns have been confiscated in Canada, England and Australia. Why is it that freedom-loving people must always give ground? I think itâs time for socialists like Clinton to start backing up! A constant assault on our freedom is taking place today. Farmers in Ohio are being told that their property is soon to become the possession of the federal government. Some of these farms have been in the family for over 200 years! The feds want to turn their land into a wildlife refuge! Zoning ordinances are telling churches how many people may attend their services and are denying churches the right to perform marriages and funerals. Truckers are told they canât park their trucks on their own property or in the street in front of their property. The government tells farmers what they can and cannot plant. Property owners are subjected to endless environmental restrictions and regulations. The current census being taken borders on governmental hysteria! Not only are the questions invasive, pastors are being told to promote the governmentâs business within their congregations. (This is the same government that tells us that pastors and churches have no right to meddle in politics!) It wonât be long and Washington, D.C. will be writing the Sunday sermon! Itâs got to stop! Itâs time for all lovers of freedom to bow their backs and say, "No more." Itâs time to draw the line. Itâs time to tell these socialist do-gooders (and the compromising Republicans that enable them) that we will not give up an additional inch of sacred ground! Furthermore, we had better do it soon or there wonât be anything worth fighting for left. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] E-mail probe gets delayed
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! ALL THE PRESIDENT'S SCANDALS E-mail probe gets delayed Barr: Justice 'hiding the truth,' 'opening a sham investigation' -- -- By Julie Foster © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com Although due to respond yesterday to allegations that White House e-mails relating to "filegate" were wrongfully withheld, Justice Department attorneys defending the White House were granted a private hearing to discuss a stay of the case while a new criminal investigation begins -- an investigation at least one lawmaker calls "a sham." Judicial Watch, a non-profit legal foundation, filed a civil suit several years ago against the administration for improperly obtaining 900 FBI files on former Republican administration staff. The $90 million suit led to the disclosure of thousands of missing e-mails pertaining to the files, as well as many other scandals of the Clinton administration. During yesterday's hearing, Justice Department lawyers requested the case be delayed until after the department's separate criminal investigation into the matter is concluded. Saying he would not grant "an open-ended, indefinite stay" of the civil case, U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth scheduled a private meeting with the parties next Thursday to discuss the request. Larry Klayman, president of Judicial Watch, argued that "even a stay of one day would be inappropriate," because the Justice Department is hiding the e-mails "to get past the next election," according to an Associated Press report. The criminal probe, announced Thursday, will focus on the missing e-mails and allegations by some contract employees that they were threatened with arrest if they discussed the computer problem publicly. The announcement came after the Clinton administration said computer errors made it impossible to search thousands of White House e-mails covered by subpoenas from congressional officials and grand juries. Many of the e-mails reportedly hidden from investigators were Vice President Al Gore's messages dealing with campaign fund raising. According to Matt Drudge, editor of the Drudge Report, the New York Times will print excerpts this weekend of White House counsel Beth Nolan's statement that reveals her predecessor, Charles Ruff, has been aware of the computer problem for years. "As Mr. Ruff understood the technical problem at the time, he did not think that the error had an effect on previous searches or that it might affect future searches of e-mail records," states Nolan, according to Drudge. "As a result, Ruff had no reason to believe there was any need to notify investigative bodies of this error." But the administration denies it is using delaying tactics to keep the case from exploding during Vice President Al Gore's bid for the White House. "The allegation that our strategy is to delay is false," Justice Department lawyer James Gilligan told the Associated Press. At least one federal lawmaker says the criminal probe into the crash of White House computers is, itself, a "sham investigation" with the sole purpose of delaying current court proceedings. Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga. "Once again, the Department of Justice is hiding the truth from the American people by belatedly opening a sham investigation at the precise moment when outside investigators are starting to uncover the truth about misconduct in the Clinton White House," said Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga. "The administration now promising an inquiry is the same administration that obstructed several investigations by refusing to turn over potentially tens of thousands of e-mails uncovered in 1998, and threatening outside contractors with jail time if they did not cooperate." "This investigation will not uncover a single new fact," the former impeachment manager continued. "Instead, it will be used as a shield to block successful work by Judicial Watch and the Government Reform Committee to uncover the truth about White House efforts to obstruct justice." "It is truly saddening to again see our once-great Department of Justice being politically manipulated," he concluded. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major
[CTRL] AL GORE SAID IT!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Vice President Al Gore as he traveled to Marrakech, Morocco, in April for the signing of the new world trade agreement. Gore appeared hours after U.S. planes enforcing an allied 'no fly' zone over northern Iraq accidentally shot down two U.S. helicopters, killing 15 Americans and 11 foreign officials. 'I want to extend condolences,' Gore said, 'to the families of those who died in the service of the United Nations.'" (Los Angeles Times, 6/12/94) Regards to All, Nakano A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Written by a minister:
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- just wouldn't tolerate someone who would lie to the American people by promising "no new taxes" and then going back on his word. Granted Bush did make that statement. What you never hear brought up is during Clinton's first presidential campaign he promised a tax cut...shortly after he took office he raised out taxes. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The United States is the Greatest Fraud in all History
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! The United States is the Greatest Fraud in all History It's Purpose is to Destroy the United Nations King Franklin the First of False Creek. (who has invited the whole world to move to Canada with the new population targets of 6 billion to 60 billion by 2099). --- http://www.vcn.bc.ca/culturex/The-Question-Nobody-Will-Answer.htm --- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [NA] CLEAN Wins A Round in Court
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: Jim Condit Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NA] CLEAN Wins A Round in Court Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 3:24 AM www.networkamerica.org "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin March 23, 2000 NA (Network America) e-wire CLEAN Wins A Round in Court On Friday March 17, 2000 the dynamic CLEAN group in Washington State got word that they had won a round in their courtroom battle to hold the election officials in Pierce County accountable for their outrageous violations of citizens rights who were trying to view a public ballot count. Network America e-wire is carrying the developments in this case as it develops because: a) it is the only such litigation going about which we are receiving the details; b) the CLEAN group is so obviously right; c) the Pierce County officials are so obviously wrong in preventing citizens from watching a count of absentee ballots; d) the case has national implications; e) the case brings out emphatically why absentee ballots must be outlawed, although I have no reason to believe CLEAN is pursuing that angle; f) we are curious to see if this Judge caves in like almost all others --- or if she rules correctly at this level, if an appeals court comes along to overturn her decision. Here is the story posted at www.lewisnews.com which is the excellent internet newspaper: Auditor going to trial -- election law violations Legal labyrinth finally caught up with Pierce County Auditor Cathy Pearsall-Stipek when Thurston County Superior Court Judge Christine Pomeroy ruled in CLEAN's favor, ordering a separate trial must be held on the election law violations of 96 Attorney Shawn Newman did what no other attorney could do since this whole nightmare began three years and four months ago. He convinced a judge to hold the auditor accountable. The crescendo effect began with a favorable ruling a year ago moving this lawsuit out of Pierce County and into Thurston County. The luck of the Irish was with Newman when he received his mail on Friday March 17. The one page decision reads: Dear Counsel: The court finds C.L.E.A.N. is not in privity with Defendant's Bockwinkel and Coffey and therefore collateral estoppel does not apply. The Court further finds that there is a material question of fact as to which "visitors rules" were in effect on October 31, 1996. Resolution of this question of fact by the court will determine whether there was a violation of the election laws, a question of law. The Court will deny Summary Judgment on the election law violations and will bifurcate those claims which will be tried separately. The Court will hear oral argument on the Plaintiff's Motion for Reconsideration on April 7, 2000 at 9 a.m. I will sign an Order consistent with this decision upon presentation. Sincerely, Christine A. Pomeroy Superior Court Judge All that legal jargon means that CLEAN prevailed big time in the election law violation claims. CLEAN produced enough evidence to convince the judge to allow this to go forward, next is convincing a jury. The April 7 court argument is in regards to an earlier decision by Judge Pomeroy granting defendants claim of malicious prosecution by Pierce County. The county is asking the judge to reconsider that decision. That decision granted Coffey, Richeson and Bockwinkel's motion that the county was attacking private citizens because of the federal lawsuit they prevailed in by appealing to the 9th Circuit. Attorney Hugh McGavick won that decision once already and will most likely prevail this next time. The most ironic part of this whole legal mess is that the evidence of two sets of rules would never have been discovered had the county not come after the private citizens and CLEAN. Luck of the Irish, I'd say so. (End of story) Editors Note added by Mr. Schantz of lewisnews.com: The Tacoma News Tribune reporter Lisa Kremer contacted Newman about the ruling but told him that it wasn't really newsworthy and the TNT would not be covering the story until the trial. On the other hand, the weekly Tacoma Reporter plans a story in their next edition due out on Thursday. * Citizens for Leaders with Ethics and Accountability Now! Inc. (CLEAN) is a non-profit 501(c)(3) tax exempt organization located in Tacoma, Washington. Contributions are tax-deductible and support research, publishing and office expenses. * CLEAN Shawn Newman, Attorney, President Diane Rhoades, CPA, Treasurer Sherry Bockwinkel, Executive Director 1524 Tacoma Avenue South Tacoma, Washington 98402-1806 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Toll free 800 219 7332 On your dime 253 572 1212 Fax 253 272 6797 CLEAN Home Page:
Re: [CTRL] Tooth faeries, Khazars, and Poley.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- --- Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But not everyone sees their tribe as defined by clan or race or religion or nationality. Hadn't considered that; I had defined "tribe" more tightly. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] To your corners......
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: uaicvtmb [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO: Tenderlove: Well, my dh (dear husband or d*ck-head depending on how he's behaving!) agrees with you (and how would you know??), but my handle is Tenorlove, as in opera fan! Tenorlove giggling madly http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/threetenors __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
