Re: [CTRL] Elian Gonzalez's grandmother wanted to defect, nun says
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Bet the grandmother was less than thrilled to have this information made public! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Request for help
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- So, Kelly. are you going to post your address for your new webpage? If not on list, please send it to me of list. Thanks Amelia A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] New World Order Philosopher
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Yep, it is. But didn't he put a great deal of time into it? AKE - Original Message - From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] New World Order Philosopher -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- 2/16/2k This is a bunch of non-sense. Joshua2 =========== Amelia K Edgeman wrote: Interesting NWO site. AKE http://www.webpal.org/nwo/ -- Name: New World Order Philosopher.url New World Order Philosopher.urlType: Internet Shortcut (application/x-unknown-content-type-InternetShortcut) Encoding: 7bit A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Repost of LocalNewsarticle on the Diseased Chickens
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- The link at the bottom is one I previously sent. I am reposting it as it ties into the posts from yesterday and now makes the picture more complete. Makes those phony KFC mutants sound better all the time! Amelia - Original Message ----- From: "Amelia K Edgeman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:58 AM Subject: Another Chicken Story All of the meats are diseased and the vegetables genetically modified. Ditto fruits and grains. Dairy products have bovine growth hormone so what is safe to eat? Amelia Subject: Chicken plant under investigation -- -- http://www.msnbc.com/local/waff/33103.asp A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New World Order Philosopher
Interesting NWO site. AKE http://www.webpal.org/nwo/ New World Order Philosopher.url
[CTRL] The Times World NewsPutin's empire begins to growlVladimir Putin has signalled
British article 2/10/00. http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/2000/02/10/timfgnrus02003.html?112 4027 The Times World NewsPutin's empire begins to growlVladimir Putin has signalled that the West will be a rival rather than a partner, Richard Beeston writes.url
[CTRL] Another Chicken Story
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- All of the meats are diseased and the vegetables genetically modified. Ditto fruits and grains. Dairy products have bovine growth hormone so what is safe to eat? Amelia Subject: Chicken plant under investigation http://www.msnbc.com/local/waff/33103.asp A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Full Story
From yesterday's Skeptic News Ric, I have been to Bolivia a number of time and actually seen these reed boats. When they are not in use, they are pulled up onto the shore to dry out in the sun. I was told otherwise, they become waterlogged and sink if left in the water too long. I sure hope this man has checked out that possibility. I suppose he could be planning o stop at islands along the way to "dry out his boat" whenever possible. If not, then I hope he has someone following along behind him to haul him out of the water when it starts slowly sinking! The boats are very colorful and there is a tiny "museum" on an island (Isle of the Sun) with a few maps, etc. that supports this theory that the ocean could be crossed in this manner. And I did ask about the waterlogging problem and received blank or hostile stares for my effort. The people of this region are unbelievably poor and have very primitive lifestyles even by the regional standards. On the up side, the boats are very pretty. Sometimes a llama is decorated for his ride across the Lake in the boat. It makes an interesting sight. The Lake is frigid year around and I was not a good enough sport to ride in the reed boats. My sons did, however, I personally suited them out with life preservers, etc. BTW, these reeds grow on the shores of the Lake so I assume it would have to be constructed at that sight as that is where the reeds are and the people who have maintained this craft through the years. I wonder how he plans to get it to the ocean as Bolivia is landlocked and has not sea coast. Amelia http://infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563947541-b10 Full Story.url
[CTRL] Fw: UPDATE:ADL MINDCONTROL ShockTroops PENETRATE CIA HQ
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- UPDATE:ADL MINDCONTROL ShockTroops PENETRATE IMPREGNATE CIA HQ CIA Says 'Lack of Candor' Led to Firing Memo Says Attorney Failed 2 Polygraph Tests; Agency Denies Antisemitism Charge http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-02/06/246l-020600-idx.html By Vernon Loeb Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, February 6, 2000; Page A10 The CIA fired staff attorney Adam J. Ciralsky and revoked his top-secret security clearance in 1998 after he failed two polygraph examinations and exhibited a "lack of candor" about relationships with associates who may have been tied to Israeli intelligence, according to a CIA memorandum. The memorandum was made available by sources familiar with the case in anticipation of Ciralsky's scheduled appearance tonight on the CBS program "60 Minutes"--after months of confrontation with the CIA. Ciralsky's lawyers have alleged that he was singled out for investigation and accused of dual loyalty to Israel because he is an observant Jew. Extensive media coverage and Ciralsky's allegations of CIA antisemitism have already prompted high-level reviews of his case on Capitol Hill and inside the agency. CIA Director George J. Tenet, [himself a Jew], supports Ciralsky's firing. But he apologized last year for "insensitive, unprofessional and highly inappropriate" remarks made by CIA investigators handling Ciralsky's case. Tenet has also ordered senior CIA managers to undergo sensitivity training provided by the Anti-Defamation League. In an e-mail message to CIA employees on Friday, Tenet said "60 Minutes" apparently intended to air "old allegations of antisemitism at the agency." Tenet said that independent reviews found the allegations unsubstantiated, and that "I will not tolerate antisemitism or any other form of discrimination at the agency." CIA spokesman Bill Harrow issued a statement Friday saying that "the agency's actions regarding Mr. Ciralsky were not the result of antisemitism, and his allegations are unfounded." Ciralsky's attorney, Neal M. Sher, the Justice Department's former chief Nazi hunter, said yesterday in an interview that the CIA memorandum is based on information provided by a "thoroughly discredited" source. "The agency, in a written settlement that they proposed to us and then reneged on, were fully prepared to expunge that document," Sher said. "This case is about antisemitism and illegal behavior on the part of the agency." CIA officials said the agency never agreed to expunge the memo. Sher also released several communications posted Friday to an internal CIA bulletin for Jewish employees after Tenet's e-mail message. Those employees said antisemitism is a problem at the agency. "Does anyone know how one would go about informing the [director of central intelligence] directly that some incidents of antisemitism do [exist] and are tolerated?" one of the employees wrote. Wrote another: "The establishment of special focus groups and courses for certain Agency employees all suggest that a serious problem exists." Sher said CIA sources provided him with the unclassified postings by Jewish employees. Harlow said there has been no formal complaint of antisemitism filed by any CIA employee in the past five years. "If there are such complaints, we want to hear about them and deal with them," he said. Ciralsky, 28, a Milwaukee native, started working for the CIA's Office of General Counsel in December 1996. Within days of his arrival, the CIA opened a counterespionage investigation after receiving a report from another agency raising concerns about Ciralsky that were related to his previous employment at a defense contractor. In July 1998, after Ciralsky had taken two polygraph examinations and been interviewed numerous times, the agency revoked his top-secret clearance and effectively terminated his employment for not fully revealing his relationship with two people with dual U.S.-Israeli citizenship who work for Israeli defense firms and have possible ties to Israeli intelligence. CIA investigators determined that Ciralsky failed to disclose his association with one of the dual nationals, whom he met at an international youth meeting in Israel and later introduced to his boss at Berner Lanphier and Associates (BLA), a Washington-area defense contractor, according to the CIA memorandum. The memo, written by Alan C. Wade, the agency's associate deputy director for security, said the meeting brokered by Ciralsky involved the possible sale of Israeli-made combat tank sensors to the Pentagon. Based on information obtained from a BLA employee, Wade also concluded that Ciralsky knew of the dual national's attempts to obtain export-controlled ballistic missile tracking software from BLA, and that the dual national had
[CTRL] Fw: The Page of Anxiety
The Page of Anxiety.url http://www.concentric.net/~Kottca/ The Page of Anxiety.url
[CTRL] Fw: now-action-list Women Will Benefit from Ergonomic Standards
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- - Original Message - From: "National Organization for Women" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 4:35 AM Subject: now-action-list Women Will Benefit from Ergonomic Standards Please feel free to forward the following to activists: From the National Organization for Women Action Center: Action Alert Women Will Benefit from Ergonomic Standards ACTION NEEDED BY FEB. 1ST: Please send a short letter in support of a proposed ergonomics program standard (ergonomics is the science of fitting the job to the worker) to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) of the U.S. Department of Labor no later than February 1st. The address is below, or you can email your message via their website at http://www.osha.gov or fax comments of 10 pages or less to the Docket Office at 202-693-1648. Adoption of the standard will reduce the risk of injury and illness to workers who must do repetitive tasks or lift heavy weights. Work-related musculoskeletal disorders (MSDs) such as back injuries and carpal tunnel syndrome are the most prevalent, expensive and preventable workplace injuries in the U.S. The majority of affected workers are women -- many of them in manufacturing, nursing homes or other physically-stressing positions. Some business and industry sources have opposed adoption of the standard and have conducted an extensive letter-writing and grassroots campaign against it. Letters from employers who support reasonable standards, and letters from employees at risk of MSDs, would be effective. Please stress the importance of reducing the risk of MSDs for women workers. BACKGROUND INFORMATION: In announcing the proposed standard on Nov. 22nd, Secretary of Labor Alexis M. Herman noted that A300,000 workers could be spared from painful, potentially disabling, injuries, and $9 billion can be saved each year.@ OSHA has studied the problem of work-related MSDs for a number of years and has concluded that a set of practical and flexible standards be adopted. (Details on various studies and research reports can be found on the OSHA (address at end of message.) About one-third of general industry worksites (approximately 1.9 million) would be affected and 27 million workers. Many large employers have ergonomics programs in place, but numerous smaller employers do not. The department has concluded that each year about 1.8 million workers sustain work-related musculoskeletal disorders, such as injuries from over-exertion or repetitive motion. Other types of MSDs are sciatica, herniated disc and low back pain; however, MSDs do not include injuries from slips, trips, falls or other accidents. About a third of MSDs are serious enough to require time off and some injuries often need a lengthy recovery period. A third of workers= compensation payments are due to MSDs. Women suffer 70 percent of the carpal tunnel syndrome cases and 62 percent of the tendinitis cases that are serious enough to require employees to take time off work. Annually, more than 100,000 women have work-related back injuries. The program, if adopted, would mean that workers who experience covered musculoskeletal disorders receive a prompt response, evaluation of their injury and follow-up by a health care professional, if needed. Most workers who must take time off to recover from such an injury would get 90 percent of their pay and 100 percent of benefits during that time. Experience has shown that employees are often reluctant to report symptoms if this might result in missed work that causes lost income. Costs to employers to correct problems are estimated at an annual average of $150 per work station fixed. That total annual cost is less than half that incurred in paying medical costs, lost productivity and other expenses when injuries occur. THE MESSAGE: Your letter urging adoption of the ergonomics program standard can be short and merely state your support; it need not be technical and you do not need to be an expert of any sort to comment on the proposed standard. Obviously, letters from employers and business owners in support of the standard will be important, as many employers have opposed this standard in the past. But workers who have been injured on the job where an ergonomics standard could have prevented the injury or reduced the severity need to write OSHA as well. If you believe that adoption of an ergonomics program standard could improve the safety and productivity at your workplace, explain this in your letter or email message. It will be important to stress the special benefits to women workers who sustain a majority of MSDs. Note that on-the-job MSDs should be prevented or minimized and that numerous studies have shown that sound ergonomics programs have demonstrated effectiveness in reducing risk. Written comments should be
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] US Soldiers Disgrace The Uniform.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Nessie, I think you are correct concerning the civilian police being more out of control than the military. I recently had the personal experience of a retired State Trooper who acts as a process server try to convince me he had a search warrant to search my home!! He was a thug paid by my EvilX to ry to see the scope of a security camera I have and determine if I did in fact posess video of EvilX stalking! Talk about Illegal Search! Fortunately, I knew there are no such warrants in civil cases. Amelia - Original Message - From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] US Soldiers Disgrace The Uniform. -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Most of our military men are good human beings and good citizens, but there's always those few bad apples. You'll notice our police force in the United States is the same way. They're worse, much worse. The people in the military behave in a far more honorable fashion than any American police force. The military forces the few bad eggs to keep a lid on it. Nobody forces the police to keep a lid on their bad eggs, and there are a lot of bad eggs. The War On (Some) Drugs has made police work a magnet for thieves and extortionists. Corruption stretches from the cop on the corner to the Attorney General and beyond. Murder and torture goes unpunished if the perp was a cop. Ordinary citizens are spied upon for no other reason than their physical appearance or their choice of words on the internet. Ordinary people have to lock their doors at night and find themselves not routinely taken at their word for information as basic as their own name. The police are out control. I myself have been beaten, robbed and imprisoned for something I didn't do, solely because I was an active political dissident. And I was lucky. I'm white. My contemporary, Fred Hampton, didn't do anything that I didn't do and they shot him through the damn wall. That was thirty years ago. It's way worse now. You just hear about because the cops and the media are owned by the same guys. If you believe TV, you believe that America is overrun with drug crazed, psycho rapists and cop killers, it's not safe to go out of your house, and the only reason they haven't broken into your house yet to rape you and kill you and steal your TV is because some young, good looking cop somewhere was willing to "bend the rules" a little. Don't believe it. We live in a police state here. If you have any doubts about this, put on your funkiest clothes, leave your money and ID at home, and go for a walk in a rich neighborhood at night. Break no laws. See what happens. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL]
[CTRL] Fw: The Page of Anxiety
Just when you think it's safe to relax, this site has all those troublesome concerns listed. One could spend endless hours delving into worrisome issues:) It really is an interesting and comprehensive list! Amelia The Page of Anxiety.url http://www.concentric.net/~Kottca/ The Page of Anxiety.url
[CTRL] Fw: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
This is the site for all of those with nagging concerns about overpopulation. Here, you can actually DO something about it. And of course, it begs the question "Is one permitted to sign someone else up for this?" I am assuming it is a joke but if so, someone went to a tremendous amount of trouble. Amelia http://www.vhemt.org./ VHEMT.url
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] TIMES: One in seven fathers 'not the real parent'
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Yes, June, this does sound like the latest excuse of some sort of philanderers. There was a TV series on The Learning Channel or Discovery that covered a great deal of this but certainly not the one-in-seven figure. One of the segments was entitled "The Sperm Wars" and although it was fairly well produced, much of it was theory. I would have to see a great deal of documentation on that to believe so many children are conceived in such a manner. Guess the mothers' "need to have DNA spread around" would explain it. This "need" would certainly work both ways, with women constantly on the outlook for superior DNA to father their children. Talk about chaos! Amelia - Original Message - From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] TIMES: One in seven fathers 'not the real parent' -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "name AOL USER" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Human sexuality and its place in modern society is a fascinating field. I suggest you read up on it more, to understand the bigger picture. I have. Which is why I consider this 'need to spread DNA' bullshit. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Armed Dangerous
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Prudy, Where I live, helicopters fly over checking for marijuana. They use the infra-red cameras that can detect a single plant. They fly as low as they want, anytime they want and anywhere they care to look. How in heavens could they not have that many plants pinpointed completely? These cameras will pick up one plant even if it is under larger trees, mixed in with other plants and even through conventional greenhouse material. There is just no way they did not have this information as this is not new technology. I have watched them flying over scanning for this for over two years now. Amelia (who seems to know too much about the camera's abilities :) - Original Message - From: "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 4:51 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Armed Dangerous -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 01/24/2000 1:18:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Although well-liked and generous to friends, Scott drank heavily, could be cantankerous and deeply mistrusted the government, which he suspected of having designs on this ranch, a remote and nearly inaccessible parcel with high rocky bluffs on three sides and a 75-foot spring-fed waterfall out back. "You know what he used to say," his third wife, Frances Plante, told writer Michael Fessier Jr. in a 1993 article for the Los Angeles Times magazine, "He'd say, 'Frances, every day they pass a new law and the day after that they pass 40 more.'" To Los Angeles County officials, the fact that Don Scott got killed in his own house during a futile raid to seize a non-existent 4,000-plant marijuana farm is just one of the unfortunate facts of life in the narcotics enforcement business. It doesn't mean that sheriff's deputies did anything wrong. "Sometimes people get warned and we don't find anything," Gary Spencer, the lead deputy on the raid and the one who shot Scott, told an L.A. Times reporter in 1997, "so I don't consider it botched. I wouldn't call it botched because that would say that it was a mistake to have gone there in the first place, and I don't believe that." Someone who did believe that was Ventura County District Attorney Michael Bradbury. Although Scott's ranch was in Ventura County, none of the 31 people participating in the massive early morning raid, which included officers from the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, the DEA, the National Park Service, the California National Guard and the Border Patrol bothered to invite any Ventura County officers to come along. Furthermore, once Scott was shot, Los Angeles County tried to claim jurisdiction over the investigation of Scott's death, even though the shooting occured in Ventura County. To Bradbury, it was easy to see why. L.A. County wanted jurisdiction. In a 64-page report issued by Bradbury's office in March of 1993, Bradbury concluded that the search warrant contained numerous misstatements, evasions and omissions. The purpose of the raid, he wrote, was never to find some evanescent marijuana plantation. It was to seize Scott's ranch under asset forfeiture laws and then divide the proceeds with participating agencies, such as the National Park Service, which had put Scott's ranch on a list of property it would one day like to acquire, and the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, which heavily relied on assets seized in drug raids to supplement its otherwise inadequate budget. I don't really approve of heavy drinking, but it's never been a capital offense. I'm wondering here about the supposed 4,000 pot plant words. When I read and heard about this, the wild-eyed raid by all the government agencies that could grab a gun, was because some helicopter pilot said he saw fifty pot plants hanging in a tree. Such vision. As for Scott's not trusting the government, is someone out there saying he should have? Don't forget, the raiders had already talked with a real estate developer who wanted the land, and apparently they were already negotiating a price. Kind of sounds like tax farming to me. And did they return the millionaire's assets and the land along with the five million? I'm sure the estate was worth ten times the settlement figure. People were taking up collections for the poor widow, because the government grabbed everything and she had no money for the lawyers. They should give a new name to that area--Nottingham. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Madeline Colleen:Secretary of Hate
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- pennie hammons, Thank you for corroborating my statement that this is not the first list on which you have attempted to cause trouble with personal attacks. I also wonder why you are under the impression that anyone wants your respect. All I asked of you was that you take your personal attacks off-list and spare the list this waste of time. We also usually allow others to express their own beliefs and do not do it for them as we cannot know what another person believes. Being on a particular list does not mean endorsement of everything that everybody on that list believes. For example, I would doubt that you are even aware of the beliefs of many people on this list. If so, do you endorse them all by being here? Impossible! I just would like for everybody to take all personal attacks and cuteness lengthy discussions of a strictly personal nature off list. It there is academic value to the discussion it is always welcomed by all but if it is just personal bashing it wastes the time of a large number of busy people. Some even have to pay long-distance rates to have Internet access. It would be nice to have the list stay informative and full of the wonderful information we have all come to love and expect. Who pennie doesn't like does not fall into that category. The guidelines are there for all, not just pennie. Some of us "oldsters" were alive and remember many things that happened in the last 50 years that are not in history books. This information could be lost forever if it is not passed on. Also, those of you younger ones might learn a great deal by reading/hearing this. It is not to say believe everything you read but absorb it as that persons view of history in the making. This list is not about Nazis nor religion. It is about conspiracy theories. I hope that it remains so. A great deal of data is exchanged here much to my delight. Those seeking a soapbox or grand stand for their personal beliefs have come to the wrong list. Amelia Amelia I have heard nothing from Collen about any holocaust denier beliefs. What her beliefs are I don't know. BUT at least she respects the message of the declaration disclaimer and has been civil. And while her messages may be perceived by some as "strange" at times, I am sure that we all get mis-perceived and those that can hear might hear and those that don't won't. And as always, Caveat Lector. MHO Om K In a message dated 1/20/00 10:28:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was also under the impression that "Nazis need not apply", which was the reason I joined this list. I had many arguments on SOL with Colleen and her hate-group about the Holocaust. They claimed there was even a pool at Aushwitz! I'm sorry, but people who are that brainwashed by hate and denial don't deserve my respect. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Madeline Colleen:Secretary of Hate
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- pennie hammons, For your information, Colleen was on this list YEARS before you. You are the one who has come from somewhere else. I believe Kris is still the listowner even though you seem to think you are now in charge. Again, this is personal, off-topic and not nearly as cute as you think it is. Please take personal messages off list. A review of the rules will advise you to always be civil. This falls very short of that. You are wasting a lot of people's time in these lame attempts to get attention. And not for the first time and not on the first list, is it? Amelia - Original Message - From: "pennie hammons" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Madeline Colleen:Secretary of Hate -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- This is a pretty good psychological profile of Madeline Albright...the reluctant Zionist. What do you think of this one Nicky? Colleen Dear Colleen: Everything that you babble is sheer lunacy. Take your Jew-hating ass back to the Sons Of Losers list you came from. Love Pennie __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #6
-Cavet Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A -Cui Bono- =_Ric, Is your "good riddance to 'em" directed at the entire South, eh? Or, are you referring to this particular ousted Preacher? I can guess, but let's clarify just for the record. Amelia _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Judge ousts rebel preacher. YORK, Alabama. (AP) New faces started showing up at sleepy York Presbyterian Church when pastor Martin Murphy joined a group that few members of the gray-haired congregation knew much about: The League of the South. Suddenly, the little church was drawing younger people from miles around. The cracked asphalt parking lot - once nearly empty on Sundays - was brimming with cars plastered with Confederate flags and slogans like "Southern Independence Now!" Today, both Murphy and his followers are gone. Not with the wind, but by court order. Acting on a lawsuit by old-line leaders of the 120-year-old church, a court evicted Murphy and his people from York Presbyterian, where they had gained a voting majority. A judge ruled that Murphy and a band of rebels covertly took over the church to promote the League, which wants the South to secede from the Union again. And good riddance to'em, eh? See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563179267-e98 : Does your belief system subvert authority, property, morality? D'ya care? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bill Z. Bubb
-Caveat Lector- Bubba seems to be one of those words that has been given a new meaning over time. I think it was Piper who said Clinton could not be a Bubba as he attended Yale and J2's friends call him Bubba, etc. The word Bubba used to mean brother, specifically older brother. It is the younger child trying to call the older child his brother or "Bubba" as it usually came out. Now it seems to mean some beer-swilling, redneck fool particularly of southern origins. Just as southerners never say "ya'll" for singular as in movies and on TV (it is sort of a contraction for all of you) there used to be some meaning to many of these quaint expressions. By this definition, Clinton is most certainly a Bubba. J2 probably is not--suspect he is an only child--and Mr Shannon thinks all southerners are Bubbas. Interesting word. Amelia DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Status of the United States Navy
-Caveat Lector- Well, there you have it Andrew! Just don't breathe (INhale anyway) and everything will be fine! grimace! Why in the world would they have to use this stuff for practice? It seems that using it in war would be illegal even but for practice??? I do not understand this Is it old and they want to use it up and get rid of it? Is this now standard operating procedure? I do not blame the Scottish people for being angry and think this should be stopped. But then, no one consulted me and our govt doesn't really care what we the tiny people think. They just work all this out among themselves. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Status of the United States Navy -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/24/1999 4:58:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andrew, Do you know why they are there? Is their presence routine or is this a first? In any case, I cannot imagine why they should be "firing" anything! Some of the large vessels are capable of generating huge amounts of electricity, enough for a small city. Could their presence be related to this with the date change approaching? That still does not address the DU activity but might explain what they are doing there in the first place. Of course with the huge popularity that this country enjoys (ha!) as evidenced by the ever increasing terrorists threats, maybe it is "any port in a storm." All clustered in a group, they make an inviting target for enemies, a la Pearl Harbor. Maybe you could go to the press for some coverage and get this DU activity stopped! Amelia The odd habits of the US Navy came up on another listing. Someone came on as very angry with the Puerto Ricans because they didn't want the Navy to practice their shooting there, and even angrier because President Clinton had awarded them a rather small cash settlement for the damage done. I posted the following: I am not an expert on Vieques either, but I remembered reading a column about it, and I have found it. I won't try to give all the info, but this matrial was written by Anthony M. Stevens-Arroyo, formerly vice chairman of the NY State Committee for the US Commission on Civil Rights. He is professor of Puerto Rican and Latino Studies at Brooklyn College. In it he describes an incident on l8 April in which an F-l8 Navy jet from the USS John F. Kennedy missed its target and launched a bomb that killed one Puerto Rican civilian and seriously injured four others. Vieques is less than 2l miles long and five miles wide. Its population is fewer than l0,000 and the Navy occupies 75% of its 33,000 acres, pushing the natives into a six-mile strip at one corner. Since l94l when it took the land, the US has engaged in shooting live ammunition at targets on an inhabited island. Not only are the local people at risk from mistakes, but the practice of warplane strafing destroys the livelihood of the local fishermen. Vieques has experienced fatal accidents before, and the Navy has practiced landings on its beaches. The Navy refuses to declare whether nuclear weapons are stored on Viequest, but in a public statement issued May 27, the Navy admitted it used radiation-dangerous bullets in maneuvers. It has now acknowledged that on Feb l9, it fired 263 armor-piercing shells with depleted uranium. The Navy claims there is no danger of radiation poisoning unless the depleted uranium is inhaled. The Puerto Rico Health Department found that between l985 and l989, the population of Vieques had an incidence of throat and pharynx cancer much greater than the rest of Puerto Rico. Before the l980's, Vieques rsidents suffered fewer cancer cases than the rest of Puerto Rico. One environmentalist said that a particle one-quarter the diameter of a human hair--small enough to be lodged in a lung--emits 800 times the amount of radiation that could be tolerated during an entire year. Each of the 25mm shells fired by the Navy over Vieques contain a third of a pound of depleted uranium--meaning almost 90 pounds of the material was used. End of material taken from the article. In a 4 December article in the New York Times, it was announced that the Navy would stop bombing practice on Vieques and move its operations to Scotland. I wonder how the Scots feel about that. I'm sure Mr. Blair must have decided it was just fine, but then he doesn't live in Scotland. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That
Re: [CTRL] Status of the United States Navy
-Caveat Lector- Andrew, Do you know why they are there? Is their presence routine or is this a first? In any case, I cannot imagine why they should be "firing" anything! Some of the large vessels are capable of generating huge amounts of electricity, enough for a small city. Could their presence be related to this with the date change approaching? That still does not address the DU activity but might explain what they are doing there in the first place. Of course with the huge popularity that this country enjoys (ha!) as evidenced by the ever increasing terrorists threats, maybe it is "any port in a storm." All clustered in a group, they make an inviting target for enemies, a la Pearl Harbor. Maybe you could go to the press for some coverage and get this DU activity stopped! Amelia DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] No posts for 18.5 hours?
-Caveat Lector- Please add my question to the mix--Why does my Outlook Express lock up or freeze several times a day? Then suddenly, it dumps all my e mail I have zilch in my inbox even if I had lots unread the day before. Bother! Amelia - Original Message - From: John Szocik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] No posts for 18.5 hours? -Caveat Lector- I realize this is late, but I have not received any posts for the following dates:10-25; 10-26; I got 2 on 10-27; and 2 on 11-2. I too would like to know what gives?! JOHN DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Waco post
-Caveat Lector- And since when would these agencies be the proper ones to be dealing with child abuse in the first place! I do not think that would fall under the jurisdiction of BATF and Delta Force even IF it had been occurring. Amelia - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 8:21 PM Subject: [CTRL] Waco post -Caveat Lector- From alt.conspiracy, WACO and the Child abuse allegations. Enjoy, or not. Subject: Post of FINAL evidence against WACO Child Abuse, End of Premise From: "James Perkins" A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Date: Fri, 24 September 1999 02:01 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: No more crap about child abuse - End of argument for Fed supporters Date: 1999/09/19 Author: James Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] From the St. Louis "Post Dispatch" Full article at: A HREF="http://www.post-dispatch.com/postnet/stories.nsf/ByDocID/2076417F10B35 AD A862"http://www.post-dispatch.com/postnet/stories.nsf/ByDocID/2076417F10B35 AD A862/A 567F1003C8CD7?OpenDocument "The nation already knows that there was some poor judgment. Officials of the FBI and Justice Department have acknowledged as much. The FBI has admitted that some of its tactics, like broadcasting loud noises, were ill-conceived. It has admitted that it did not have new evidence of child abuse at the time it used child-abuse allegations to persuade Attorney General Janet Reno to authorize the assault on the compound. And the FBI has belatedly admitted that it fired pyrotechnic tear gas at a bunker on the morning of the assault, even though Reno had denied for years that flammable tear gas was used." So, the next time anyone (especially familyvalues) wants to throw this argument up as a shield for the Fed, "Just Say NO". James Perkins DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Zap the Bastards
-Caveat Lector- Sorry, but this begs for the old saw "Well, it certainly deters ONE person !" Amelia - Original Message - From: Taylor, John (JH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Zap the Bastards -Caveat Lector- So what if the death penalty deters? Steven Goldberg National Review, June 30, 1989 v41 n12 p42(2) -- -- Opponents of the death penalty have many reasons for their opposition that innocent people may be executed, that the death penalty is 'uncivilized',- that the state should not take lives. But what these arguments come down to is. DOES THE THREAT of the death penalty deter people from murderous behavior more than the threat of imprisonment for life? We do not yet know with anything even approaching certainty whether the death penalty does or does not deter. The question is clearly empirical; and it is likely that sophisticated statistical techniques will eventually permit us an answer. Professor Isaac Ehrlich and his colleagues, utilizing his statistical techniques, argue that there can be little doubt about the ability of the death penalty to deter. Ehrlich concludes that each additional execution prevents about seven or eight people from committing murder. All statistical arguments on the death penalty are, however, excruciatingly complex. Some critics, for example, have argued that increased likelihood of execution leads juries to convict fewer people, thereby offsetting the deterrent effect. If anything, the empirical evidence is that the death penalty does deter. But this is inevitably open to dispute. As a result, firm conclusions that the death penalty either does or does not deter are unwarranted and usually determined by one's psychological and moral leanings. In academic and media circles, psychological and moral resistance to the idea of the death penalty usually leads to the assertion that it does not deter. These people's conclusion may or may not be correct, but it does not follow from the arguments they deploy. Since many murders result from emotional impulse (e.g., the angry husband who kills his wife), the death penalty could have, at best only the slightest deterrent effect, If the death penalty deters, it is likely that it does so through society's saying that certain acts are so unacceptable that society will kill someone who commits them. The individual internalizes the association of the act and the penalty throughout his life, constantly increasing his resistance to committing the act. Note that there is no implication here that the potential murderer consciously weighs the alternatives and decides that the crime is worth life in prison, but not death. No serious theory of deterrence claims that such rational calculation of punishment (as opposed to no rational calculation, or calculation only of the probability of getting caught) plays a role. There is no a priori reason for assuming that this process is less relevant to emotional acts than rational acts; most husbands, when angry, slam doors, shout, or sulk. Neither the death penalty nor anything else deterred the husband who did murder his wife, so the question is not what deterred the person who did murder (nothing did), but what deterred the person who didn't. If the death penalty deters, it is, in all likelihood, primarily because it instills a psychological resistance to the act, not because it offers a rational argument against committing the act at the time that the decision is being made. In short, it is only legislators who calculate (or at least should calculate) the deterrent effect of the death penalty. Potential murderers simply act; the deterrent effect of the death penalty, if there is one, acts upon them. If it acts with sufficient strength, it prevents their becoming murderers. The legislator is the physicist studying the forces that move particles; the potential murderers are the moving particles. There is no evidence that the death penalty deters. This is simply untrue. Ehrlich's complex statistical techniques establish a real case that the death penalty deters. But here let us assume, for argument's sake, that there was no such evidence. The more important point is that there is a crucial difference between there being no evidence that two things are correlated and there being evidence that two things are not correlated. The latter means that we have good evidence that the two things are not related; the former means simply that we have no evidence on either side of the case. Now, it is quite true that we must have some sort of evidence in order to even entertain the idea that two things are related. Our reason for not believing that tall Italian men are smarter than short Italian men is not simply that we have no direct evidence, but also because we have no
Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1
-Caveat Lector- Bob, Will WE glow in the dark if we eat them? Will we only glow if we need water? Can us use our glow for a night light or reading in bed? I think this poses more questions than it answers. Amelia - Original Message - From: Tatman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1 -Caveat Lector- Wow. We have green fluorescent monkeys, and now fluorescent potatoes...will the fluorescing carry over to the tuber? Will we be able to feed our fluorescent monkeys fluorescent potatoes? How about glow-in-the-dark french fries? luminescent potato chips? The possibilities are endless... # Fluorescent GM potatoes say 'water me'. (BBC) A potato genetically-modif- ied with jellyfish genes which glows when it needs watering is created by Edinburgh scientists. The team believes the genetically-modified (GM) plant will prevent overwatering at time when the world's water resources are being more more heavily used. And they're easy to pick in the dark. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/specials/sheffield_99/newsid_44600 0/446837.stm : Would you like to be gene-engineered so that you glow when you need food, water, sleep, sex, drugs, punishment? Should we be color-coded? Is you blue? === Robert F. Tatman Computer Help Desk Desktop LAN Services Systems Department Philadelphia Newspapers, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 215.854.2729 215.854.2788 The contents of this message represent the opinion only of the writer, and may not be construed to indicate the endorsement of Knight-Ridder, Inc.; Philadelphia Newspapers, Inc.; The Philadelphia Inquirer; or the Philadelphia Daily News. "Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reno: Courageous Cluelessness?
-Caveat Lector- Prudy, At least the Republican crooks are charged with something and sometimes even prosecuted. G Gordon Liddy went to jail; Nixon resigned. I compare Watergate to Chinagate and cannot help but wonder what a Democrat has to be to even be charged with anything. I would put Watergate about on level with Travelgate and the 1000+ FBI files that just "appeared" in the White House with no one responsible. I realize Chinagate had been going on for some time but these are the ones that cashed in on it and absolutely nothing happens to them. I suppose it does not really matter as they are all on the same team anyway. As you say, they are all welcomed as good, patriotic Americans no matter what they do. Guess the "investigations" are to quell the masses outrage and have no teeth in the end anyway. I saw a recent news article concerning a listening device installed in the home of a couple with a missing baby. Yet, Mz Reno refused to order one for an issue concerning national security. Now that's figures! It just seems ridiculous for Nixon to resign and Clinton not to even apologize. He did have to return some of the money, I believe, at least some that he was caught with "red-handed" (no pun intended). Amelia - Original Message - From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reno: Courageous Cluelessness? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/11/1999 7:10:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PicturePicture: To appreciate the hugeness of Reno's accomplishment, hearken back to the Reagan Justice Department. Meese was under investigation. DOJ inquiries into other Reagan officials were suspect. The department was mistrusted, a national disgrace. Now how can they say this. Everywhere Meese goes, he is treated beautifully. He appears on all the Sunday shows from time to time, and they all act as though he was not a crook who had to be pardoned. In fact they act that way to all the other creeps who were in the Reagan and Bush cabinets, especially the ones who had to be pardoned. It's a simple lesson they're trying to teach: Democrat crooks - BAD; Republican crooks - GOOD. Okay? Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PBS PREZ RESIGNS
-Caveat Lector- I will agree that PBS viewers are probably more liberal but definitely NOT more intelligent! Funding does not for intelligence make--see Public Schools. I have seen some very poorly "documented" documentaries, etc. on PBS. Guess this, too, is in the eye of the beholder. AKE - Original Message - From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] PBS PREZ RESIGNS -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/11/1999 10:00:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The BOSTON GLOBE is reporting on Friday that an inspector general's report looking into the Public Broadcasting System's donor list controversy has concluded that only one party benefitted from the list giveaway -- the Democratic Party. The report, released Thursday, concluded that out of 183 public TV and 408 public radio stations, 53 of them, or 9%, made their lists available to political groups. This is so funny. Why hasn't it occurred to anyone that PBS like any other outfit that sells its donor lists can only sell to someone who offers to buy it. Most people who watch and donate to PBS are rather intelligent (therefore liberal?). If they are Democrats, so be it. The Republican Party obviously didn't offer to buy the list and probably wouldn't have wasted postage money sending it out. What a crock this all is. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] U.S. Studies Religious Persecution
-Caveat Lector- Is Texas included in their study? Amelia - Original Message - From: K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 7:25 AM Subject: [CTRL] U.S. Studies Religious Persecution -Caveat Lector- http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990909/pl/us_religious_persecut ion_2.html Politics Headlines Thursday September 9 5:25 PM ET U.S. Studies Religious Persecution By GEORGE GEDDA Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - A State Department report Thursday pointed to evidence of widespread religious persecution in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan, all under varying degrees of authoritarian rule, and to discrimination in some democratic countries as well, including Israel and India. The report, covering 194 countries and territories, is the first of what will become an annual assessment of the state of religious freedom around the world. The most serious violators could eventually face economic sanctions. The study stressed that religious persecution is not confined to a particular faith. ``Throughout the world, Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Muslims and other believers continue to suffer for their faith,'' it said. While the report did not rank the countries based on the degree to which they limit freedom, the excesses attributed to the Iraqi government stood out. Iraqi leader ``Saddam Hussein has for decades conducted a brutal campaign of murder, summary execution and protracted arbitrary detention against the religious leaders and adherents of the Shiite Muslim population,'' the report said. It said Iraqi security forces ``have murdered senior Shiite clerics, desecrated mosques and holy sites, arrested tens of thousands of Shiites and forcibly prevented Shiites from practicing their religion.'' Shiites in Afghanistan also suffered persecution and killing at the hands of the Taliban-led government in Kabul. Afghan police impose ``severe physical punishment and imprisonment'' for deviations from codes of worship and dress,'' the report said. It said Iran is intent on eradicating the Baha'is through prolonged detention and imprisonment, confiscation and desecration of graveyards and holy places. It added that other religious minorities in Iran also suffer. In general, the report made clear that democratic countries are far more tolerant of religious diversity than are countries run by totalitarian or authoritarian regimes. The report credits India, for example, for respecting constitutional provisions guaranteeing freedom of religion. But it said, tensions between Muslims and Hindus in India, and to a lesser extent between Hindus and Christians, ``continue to pose a challenge to the concepts of secularism, tolerance and diversity on which the state was founded.'' It added that state and local governments only partially respect religious freedom. The report also said there have been numerous reports of human rights abuses carried out by the mostly Hindu security forces against the predominantly Muslim population in the region of Kashmir controlled by India. As for India's rival, Pakistan, the report said discriminatory legislation has encouraged an atmosphere of ``religious intolerance, which has led to acts of violence by extremists against members of religious minorities, including Christians, Hindus, Ahmadis and Zikris.'' In democratic Israel, the report said the country's 20 percent Arab population does not receive the same quality of education, housing, employment opportunities and social services as Jews. In addition, it said, ``government spending and financial support are proportionally far lower in predominantly non-Jewish areas.'' On China, the report said Chinese citizens can face harassment or prolonged detention in labor camps if they practice religion outside officially sponsored churches. The study also cited credible reports of abuse against Buddhist monks and nuns in China, including Tibet. In Beijing, a Chinese spokesman rejected the allegations as malicious interference. ``Nobody has been arrested or detained because of religious beliefs,'' Foreign Ministry spokesman Sun Yuxi said. ``If religious believers are arrested, it is not because of their religious beliefs but because they have taken part in criminal activities.'' President Clinton is expected to meet this weekend with Chinese President Jiang Zemin at the Asia-Pacific summit in Auckland, New Zealand. Comment: Now, don't you feel all better because Clinton is looking out for your rights? Kathleen "The homicidal state shares one trait with the solitary killer--like all murderers, it trips on its own egoism and drops a trai l of clues which, when properly collected, preserved, and analyzed are as damning as a signed confession left in the grave." - Forensic Anthropologist Clyde Snow DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
Re: [CTRL] Federal Drug Agent, Drunk, Murders Partner
-Caveat Lector- Right, Prudy, And isn't alcohol a drug, too? Well, it is one of the acceptable ones. After all, it is legal so that makes it OK and he should be given a break (NOT!). I wonder if his dead partner would think so. Amelia - Original Message - From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Federal Drug Agent, Drunk, Murders Partner -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/11/1999 4:43:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Richard A. Fekete could face up to 14 years in prison, but his attorneys hope the judge will be lenient based on conclusions by doctors that Fekete is an alcoholic plagued by psychotic delusions. Fekete, 55, has said he doesn't recall leaving a party at the Dade County Police Benevolent Association hall with fellow agent Shaun E. Curl, or the car crash after the shooting in Miramar. Now that's what we want enforcing our laws. Don't hire the smart ones, but if you find any alcoholics with psychotic delusions, that's what we like. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor
-Caveat Lector- Bill, If you are addressing that to me, my husband is deceased. I doubt that lightening up would benefit him. Regardless of who is to blame, it is not funny nor on par with "mocking" Chelsea. I have never done that nor do I listen to Rush Limbaugh. You seem fraught with stereotypes and clichés. You may not be as astute at reading character nor personality through e mail as you think you are. Amelia - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor -Caveat Lector- H, I repeated some jokes...I didn't say that incinerating living children was funny, and it's not! Koresh and the loon parents might have done the burning though. Let us wait until ALL the evidence is in, eh??? Otherwise, do your husband a favor...and lighten up! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor
-Caveat Lector- I don't see "mocking Chelsea Clinton" as the equivalent of frying alive two dozen children under the age of ten. This just isn't funny. I hope I never "lighten up" to the extent that this becomes funny to me. It is tasteless, crude and callous. Period. Furthermore, I have no regard for the opinion of anyone who thinks this is funny, so spare me. Amelia - Original Message - From: pennie hammons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor -Caveat Lector- The medical proffesion KILLS DEAD people? How exactly do they do that? And is it only in Waco that they kill these dead people? From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:17:08 -0100 -Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/7/99 9:11:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I certainly agree that this is not a laughing matter. ...Only a sick person would post such a thing. Oh bullshit! It's not that big a fucking deal. Let's not get too carried away. The medical profession kills ten times the number of dead people at Waco every day. Joshua2 Yeah well whatever, guess it's mighty cool to mock Chelsea Clinton while she was a mere child though? "Two-faced" double standards are the order of the day among the bible and guns set I guess... As Rush would say..."Lighten' Up Folks" And Limbaugh is ALWAYS right, isn't he? (Ooops, I forgot, he's another "fake" conservative"...sorry! Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
Re: [CTRL] Why Would Federal Operatives Want All the Davidians Dead?
-Caveat Lector- Hilary, Could it be they wanted no witnesses to tell the horrors of what happened and who did what to whom? Amelia - Original Message - From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 10:45 AM Subject: [CTRL] Why Would Federal Operatives Want All the Davidians Dead? -Caveat Lector- "Also on Sunday, filmmaker Michael McNulty, who has questioned government findings that the Davidians were responsible for their tragic end, said on ``Fox News Sunday'' that he had new evidence that federal operatives were firing ``long streams of automatic weapons fire'' at the back of the compound, preventing those inside from escaping the fire." This is very interesting!!! Why would they want everyone dead? Hilary Monday September 6 1:24 AM ET Republicans Vow Probe Into Waco Full Coverage Waco Investigation http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990906/pl/waco_investigation_27.html By JIM ABRAMS Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Congress returns this week with Republicans intent on investigating the latest Waco dispute and asking whether Janet Reno should resign over what one senator said was a Justice Department ``in shambles.'' On the Democratic side, Sen. Charles Schumer of New York said Sunday he had written GOP committee chairmen asking them to put off hearings until an independent investigator finishes looking into new controversies swirling around the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian compound. Schumer, on ABC's ``This Week,'' said hearings would probably descend into partisan squabbling. ``My worry is that congressional investigations would bring up a lot of heat and not very much light.'' But Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, said Congress must be involved. ``You can't have the country misled for six years by the Justice Department and the FBI and not have Congress do something about it,'' he said on ABC. At issue is recent FBI revelations that it fired several flammable tear gas canisters at a storm shelter hours before the main Branch Davidian building went up in flames. The FBI and the Justice Department had previously denied use of any incendiary devices, and investigations will focus on whether this misinformation was the result of a bureaucratic slip-up or a coverup. The Justice Department insists there is no change in conclusions that it was David Koresh and his followers that started the fatal fire. The department also stresses that military special operations officers were on the scene only as observers and advisers, and not in an illegal capacity as participants in the operation. Any GOP-led investigation would be sure to touch on the competence of Reno, who has constantly clashed with Republicans over campaign finance and Chinese spying scandals, to be attorney general. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, on NBC's ``Meet the Press'' and CNN's ``Late Edition,'' said he had lost confidence in Reno's ability to lead. ``The Justice Department is in a shambles. There is a demoralization over there because they realize they are not doing the job.'' FBI Director Louis Freeh, in contrast, is the ``single best'' director he had known, Hatch said. On Freeh's reported differences with Reno, Hatch said ``you don't want some milquetoast guy in there who won't stand up and do what's right.'' Schumer, however, said there was a double standard in attacking Reno and defending Freeh when it was the FBI that was apparently responsible for not getting the facts to Reno, their ultimate superior. President Clinton, asked by reporters Saturday if he had confidence in Reno and Freeh, pointedly supported Reno but not Freeh. On Freeh, he said he said there wasn't ``any purpose to assign blame until the investigation is concluded.'' Reno is expected to name an outside investigator sometime this week, with the emphasis on an impartial judge, possibly a Republican, who is respected by both sides. ``As the attorney general has said, she wants to get to the bottom of this and will appoint an outside investigator to do just that,'' Justice Department spokesman Myron Marlin said. Freeh was not FBI director at the time of the Waco siege, but did head the agency later when Reno, relying on FBI information, was denying that flammable devices were used against the Branch Davidians. ``Maybe Louis Freeh is to blame too,'' Gramm said. ``Maybe they both should go.'' Former Attorney General Dick Thornburgh, on CNN, said it was ``very regrettable that people up to and including the president are now being asked to choose sides. This is unprecedented. I have never seen a situation like this where there has been this split between the two agencies.'' But Hatch also said he had talked to both Reno and Freeh this week and had been assured by both that they were on good terms and reports of differences between the two were blown out of proportion. Also on Sunday,
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor
-Caveat Lector- I certainly agree that this is not a laughing matter. The manner in which those children died is cause for tears, maybe prayers but laughter and humor, never! Only a sick person would post such a thing. Amelia - Original Message - From: day [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 1:48 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor -Caveat Lector- From: William Shannon This is not humor. And, may I be the first to apologize for your parents, or whatever it is that raised you, to show total disrespect for the murdered adults and children at Waco. I can just imagine the outrage on this list had the jokes included a recipe for jews being baked in the ovens. Some of you certainly are two-faced. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 25 Worst People of last Milenium
-Caveat Lector- There must be some mistake! They forgot my EvilX! Amelia - Original Message - From: Bill Richer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 5:41 PM Subject: [CTRL] 25 Worst People of last Milenium -Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! -- -- -- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
