Re: [CTRL] A Modest Proposal
-Caveat Lector- At the risk of being massively flamed, I am compelled by a sense of intellectual honesty to propose that the time has come to repeal the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. risk of being massively flamed? don't you mean an ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY? i'm sure there's a lot of people on this list that equate the idea of giving up their guns with asking the government to shoot them in the head or something. this is almost like saying to america and russia in the cold war "hey guys, relax, throw away your nukes, and everything will be ok, dude" firearms are a problem, yes, but taking them away will achieve Sweet Fanny Adams, maybe you should attempt to tackle the PROBLEM, and not the symptom, when you cure a disease the symptoms will go away. i'm sure you can understand why people want to keep guns, it makes them feel secure, people are scared, of criminals, the government, loonies, whatever. hardly surprising considering the massive panic over drug crime and gangs and the like and the general image of the US (well, the one i've always had) as an incredibly bad place to live unless you're ridiculously rich or something that and incidents like Waco and general US government shittyness throughout it's entire history to anyone it doesn't agree with (ie. most people who stop to think) What is at issue is not some supposed innate right to keep and bear arms. What is at issue is the culture of violence that puts firearms on a pedestal and worships them. What is at issue is the culture of violence that insists on "getting even" instead of resolving conflicts. Two hundred years ago, it might have been possible to defend yourself against an oppressive government by shooting the excise agent. But that just isn't possible today--nor is it desirable. The world is too complex a place today, and the weapons at the government's disposal too powerful, for so simplistic a solution to work. You have no more right to keep and bear arms than you have to own and operate an automobile. All property "rights" are contingent on the permission of the state; the state grants such rights, and the state can take away those rights if circumstances warrant. I submit that the time has come when we, as a society, can no longer afford to permit individuals to own and use firearms. Further, I submit that firearms manufacturers are primarily responsible for the *illegal* sale of firearms, and should therefore be subjected to stringent governmental regulation and limited to production of firearms for the armed services of the United States. aye aye, so the chemist sells me some sleeping tablets and i overdose and kill myself, is this the chemists fault? those who use the guns to hurt people are responsible, not the manufacturers. btw, i'm not defending the manufacturers, i personally hate anyone who will happily make money out of manufacturing murder, that includes the WTO and most major corporate-capitalist institutions If the gun lobby insists on labeling this proposal as a conspiracy to undermine citizens' "rights," I will respond by suggesting that the gun lobby itself is part of an elaborate conspiracy to undermine the lawful authority of the United States government, substituting the rule of force for the rule of law. Surely, if a secret supranational organization such as the Illuminati the rule of law IS the rule of force. he who has the force, makes the laws. really exists, whose objective is to submerge all national identities in a global culture, eliminating national governments in favor of a strengthened United Nations, then they would choose to work *not* through the Federal government...but through organizations and individuals who want to weaken the U.S. government to the point where it effectively no longer exists. Such a conspiracy would be much more likely to use a group like the NRA or the Libertarian Party than the FBI or the BATF as its instrument. the libertarian party being used by evil-conspiracy-people? surely not, aren't liberals, like, nice and stuff? i suppose the politicians have managed to mutilate the meaning of that word as well then. Let me repeat my proposal: the time has come to repeal the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. Doing so would demonstrate more clearly than any other possible action that the people of the United States have genuinely grown up, that we are now mature enough that we do not need the crutch of firearms to maintain our self-esteem. and we'll do it with cars and mobile phones instead like everyone else. and people get killed on the road, but that's ok, because that's only idiots DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] A Modest Proposal]
-Caveat Lector- Other arguments involve the use of personal firearms to ward off domestic tyranny. But if a tyrant controls the most powerful military force on Earth, will personal firearms matter? Really? Again, the 2nd Amendment makes no provision for fighting tyranny, so such arguments are also extra-constitutional. peaceful protest is often more successful than armed resistance. think about it, soldiers aren't robots (although they're pretty damn close), and it's gonna take a lot of persuasion to persuade a soldier that shooting a large group of civilians is a good idea. sure, that nazis managed it, but then the nazis had a ridiculous ideaology to follow and brainwash people with. people are less likely to kill for the benefit of some fat asshole in a suit. the key to resisting tyranny is organisation and POPULAR revolt, not small pockets of armed resistance, because let's face it, if they really want you dead, all the machine guns and the pill-boxes in the world won't stop them, they'll just drop a bomb on your stupid ass. you should remember that the armed services is made up of people as well, like you, and they aren't evil, if you can persuade the army not to shoot you, then all is well, if you can't, then you've probably got the wrong approach to resisting tyranny DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Food Supply Update: April 24, 1999
-Caveat Lector- How many farmers kept their land during the depression? Which meat packer will by your animals? why would i want to sell them to meat-packers? Which grain towers will be open to buy your grain? i'd prefer to use my grain myself, and sell the surplus Which bank will be ready to foreclose - because they already know what is (was) planed? what's with the bank thing? do you think i care about the artificial economy? We were on the "land" standard at one time then We were on the gold standard then we go back to the land standard, and guess who planned (plans) to own all the land? then could we be ''quietly'' switching to the bio standard? this would mean that all the plans since starting the KKK are out the window. If the Intergalactic standard were based on how much bio - diversity your world has what the figgins are you talking about??? please anybody, tell me if that makes any sense at all Who would be the laughing stock of the intergalactic community IF we go to space. quite so they have control, they have the monopolies and can prove it will it do them a-n-y good? eh? The Pied Piper DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Food Supply Update: April 24, 1999
-Caveat Lector- like my mother said once when we were talking about the possibilities of food shortage: "the most basic means of survival you can have is owning your own land" which is true, after all, a stockpile of food will only last so long, and when it runs out, what do you do? resort to banditry? of course, you'd only have to do that in the worst case scenario, ie. total collapse of the means of distributing food. of course, maybe anarchy would be a good thing for the world, because we might remember where our food, our water and our electricity comes from. maybe we'll learn that corporations and big business don't care about us. maybe we'll learn to take control of the land and use it to rebuild civilization and make it better. but then, that probably won't happen. At 17:46 24/04/99 -0400, you wrote: As always, . . . Om K Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (rly-zd05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.229]) by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:35:50 -0400 Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by rly-zd05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id CAA14066; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id CAA03407; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:30:22 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from crc3.concentric.net (ts003d31.ham-oh.concentric.net [207.155.207.139]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id CAA23209; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:16:55 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Geri Guidetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Food Supply Update: April 24, 1999 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This and all Updates may be reprinted and distributed in any media if done so in their entirety, including byline, Web address and signature file information. Permission to print edited versions may be obtained by emailing Geri Guidetti at [EMAIL PROTECTED] All Food Supply Updates must be distributed free of charge unless included as part of a magazine, newsletter, newspaper or journal. Food Supply Update: April 1999 Fairy Tales and Magical Thinking Mask Truth About Food in Y2K Copyright, 1999, by Geri Guidetti The Ark Institute, PO Box 142, Oxford, OH 45056 http://www.arkinstitute.comhttp://www.arkinstitute.com "You have always had the power to go back to Kansas, Dorothy" said Glinda, the Good Witch, to the melancholy young girl stuck in the Land of Oz. "All you have to do is look inside yourself and believe you can. Just click your heels three times and repeat, 'There's no place like home, there's no place like home.' " Dorothy wanted to believe Glinda--she wanted so much to believe--because she wanted so much to go home. "There's no place like home There's no place like home There's no place like home," Dorothy faithfully repeated. With eyes tightly closed, she clicked the heels of the ruby slippers until --whoosh!--she was magically transported back to Kansas, Auntie Em and apple pie. Life was, once again, normal. Life was good, and all she had to do to make it so was to believe it would be.* After reading and listening to the scant, yet almost universally positive, media coverage of Y2K since bombs were first dropped on Yugoslavia and, after receiving calls from customers and friends telling me that their friends and co-workers told them they had heard and believed there is no need to worry about the food supply in Y2K, I can't help but think that we Americans may have seen just one too many reruns of The Wizard of Oz for our own good. We believe in magic! Close your eyes, click your heels together and repeat after Dan Glickman, Secretary ,U.S. Department of Agriculture, "Food will be there. Food will be there. Food will be there." If we believe it, it will happen because Glinda--uh--Dan said so. Woosh! Life is still good. Would you pass the apple pie, please? Do you believe in fairy tales? In magic? Do you still accept and believe things that adults in authority tell you--without question? Here's a quiz you can take to discover a predisposition to "magical thinking" with respect to Y2K information and the need for personal preparedness. Share it with friends and coworkers; compare your analysis with theirs, with mine, with those quoted in the quiz. Then make personal decisions based on your findings. The Quiz Introduction: The Food Supply of any modern, industrialized culture is now completely dependent upon the daily, successful integration of complex technologies and resources. In our current system, we could not eat without: technology
Re: [CTRL] The Interview
-Caveat Lector- a weapon is what you make it. i do think it's very irresponsible to teach children to kill though. violent society we live in. At 13:26 17/04/99 -0400, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- This is an extract of an National Public Radio (NPR) interview between a female broadcaster and US Army Lieutenant General Reinwald about sponsoring a Boy Scout Troop on his military installation. Interviewer: "So, LTG Reinwald, what are you going to do with these young boys on their adventure holiday?" LTG Reinwald: "We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery, and shooting." Interviewer: "Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?" LTG Reinwald: "I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range." Interviewer: "Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?" LTG Reinwald: "I don't see how, we will be teaching them proper range discipline before they even touch a firearm." Interviewer: "But you're equipping them to become violent killers." LTG Reinwald: "Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?" End of the interview DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Draft dodging, War monger Liberals
-Caveat Lector- can you please stop defining a political belief by it's poltician's? i really hate it when people do this. because Clinton (who i have absolutely no respect for, incidentally) calls himself a liberal does not necessarily mean he is one, it is merely another lie. i would've thought you'd have figured out that the idea of him being a libertarian was just another one of his endless stream of lies. btw, about the british labour party, i'd hardly call the leadership and all the faithful little Blairites the 'leading lights', Tony Benn has come out very strongly against the war. When people condemn one pointless war, and encourage a different, even more pointless war which has all the makings of a large regional conflict or even a world war, this means that they are merely liars. liars should not be defined as 'libertarian' or 'conservative' or 'socialist', they should be defined as only one thing, 'liar'. although the label of politician would do equally well Where have all the Western liberals gone? Nearly two weeks into NATO's war against Serbia, there is barely a whimper of protest in either Europe or North America. But then you can't expect Western peaceniks to protest against a war they themselves are waging. Nearly eight years ago, the U.S. Democrats came very close to denying the President, Mr. George Bush, the authority to wage a war against Iraq's Mr. Saddam Hussein. But now it is a Democrat in the White House who is pursuing an open-ended war in the Balkans. In Britain, many leading lights of the Labour Party and the Left had strongly protested against the Gulf War. Now a Labour Prime Minister, Mr. Tony Blair, is among the NATO hawks on Kosovo. The reversal of attitudes towards war and peace among liberals is most visible in Germany, where the ruling alliance of Social Democrats and pacifist Greens has ordered the German bombers into combat for the first time since the end of Second World War. Until recently, German public opinion refused to endorse the participation of German armed forces even in international peace- keeping missions, given the sensitivities arising from the Nazi past. But now there is strong support in Germany for the war against Serbia. In France, where the intelligentsia traditionally revelled in opposing American "Cowboy imperialism", is backing the war against Serbia. The French Government, which had been promoting the idea of a "multipolar world" is now firmly with the United States in the Balkan war. The conservative French President, Mr. Jacques Chirac, and Socialist Prime Minister, Mr. Lionel Jospin, have set aside political differences and the traditional suspicion of the NATO to line up behind the bombing of Belgrade. Although there is some unease in Europe -- particularly among the former Communists and in Greece -- at the unfolding war in the Balkans, the measure of political unity that has emerged in the Continent against Serbia is unprecedented. A war started by the Western liberals in the Balkans has now gained strong support from the conservatives -- of course, for entirely different reasons. The liberals have always recoiled at the idea of going to war in pursuit of such crass objectives as balance of power, geopolitics, or securing valuable natural resources such as oil. The European liberals were particularly irked by what they saw as attempts by the U.S. to drag their nations, through the NATO, into such wars. They see the war in the Balkans, however, as being driven not by narrow national interests but by the moral imperative of preventing "genocide", "ethnic cleansing" and the return of "barbarism" to Europe. Although many in the world may not share this view, there is no denying the strength of this belief in Europe, and the absence of any sympathy for the Serb point of view. When the Balkan crisis began to unfold at the turn of the 1990s, the then U.S. President, Mr. Bush, was extremely reluctant to get involved. Despite the fact that he had successfully waged the Gulf War in the name of a "New world Order", Mr. Bush was determined not to repeat the adventure in the Balkans. Mr. Bush and other American conservative internationalists seemed to say "we don't have dog in that fight". With no conceivable geopolitical interest in the Balkans, the Bush Administration was quite happy to leave it to the European powers to manage the crisis. It was the American liberals who challenged the Republican policy of benign neglect and kept up the demand for a U.S. military intervention. In his election campaign against Mr. Bush, Mr. Clinton attacked the American inaction in the Balkans. But when he took over as President, Mr. Clinton was equally wary of being drawn into the Balkan quagmire. But as the European efforts failed and the political pressure from the liberals mounted, Mr. Clinton got the U.S. inextricably entangled into the conflict by the mid- 1990s.
Re: [CTRL] Can Media Make a Killer?
-Caveat Lector- Can Media Make a Killer? by Declan McCullagh 3:00 a.m. 13.Apr.99.PDT Everyone in the fly-spit town of Paducah, Kentucky, knows of Michael Carneal, a computer geek convicted of gunning down eight of his high-school classmates. Everyone knows the gory details of the crime: How the 14-year-old opened fire on a prayer circle in the lobby of Heath High School on 1 December 1997. What's still unclear is the nature of the demons that drove Carneal to bring six guns to school that day. The uncertainty isn't due to lack of details. Those became plentiful during the trial. Might the hours Carneal spent playing Doom have blurred the line between fantasy and reality? How about a Leonardo DiCaprio movie with a similar scene? Or persiankitty.com and other erotic Web sites that police say Carneal frequented? well, i've played doom, i've played wolfenstein 3D, i've played quake, quake II, blood, blood 2, redneck rampage and most of the rest. call me a wierdo but i haven't felt the consumption to run out onto the street and gun down a prayer group, in fact the only noticeable side effect of playing quake for hours on end was that i stopped having a social life for a while. man, there must be something wrong with me The parents of the three students who died have a ready, and angry, answer: All of the above. well, that's simplistic. simplistic solutions to desperately complex problems are what cause death and war, simletons are responsible for the first world war, the current Kosovo crisis has been caused by excessiveness stupidity on both sides, NATO in particular. simpletons were responsible for the long suffering of russia under authritarian communism, simpletons were responsible for vietnam, and simpletons were responsible for the rise of the likes of Hitler. On Monday, the families filed a lawsuit in Kentucky federal court against a broad swath of computer companies and media firms, claiming that the executives traded conscience for cash. The suit, which seeks more than US$100 million in damages, says that the 25 companies engaged in a pattern of corrupt business practices that glorify violence and promote "disregard of authority." According to the plaintiffs, the firms "should have known that copycat violence would be caused by their products." it'd be nice if they did teach disregard of authority, but let's be realistic here. Of particular concern to the families is The Basketball Diaries, a Time-Warner movie in which the main character, played by DiCaprio, slays his teacher and some classmates. They say the flick "is a nihilistic glamorization of irresponsible sex, senseless and gratuitous violence, hatred of religion" and other mendacities. They blame Time-Warner and its partners. Carneal has told police that he remembered watching that movie. and i remember listening to Cradle of Filth once, big deal Videogames are another concern. Doom, Quake, Wolfenstein, Redneck Rampage, and other programs allegedly "trained Carneal how to point and shoot a gun in a fashion making him an extraordinarily effective killer." And porn sites "provoked violence in Carneal" by showing him illicit material not suitable for teens. Just to be safe, the plaintiffs have also charged the operators of persiankitty.com, adultkey.com, and porntech.com with racketeering. you can't learn to shoot from a computer game, i know people who can beat quake II without blinking, yet they can't shoot an air rifle for shit. The companies being sued did not immediately respond to requests for comment, saying that they need more time to review the allegations. "We haven't really had a chance to look through the material well enough," said a spokesman for Activision, which sells Wolfenstein and Mech Warrior. Experts say that the suit will be thrown out of court. "This is a very tough case to fight," said Eugene Volokh, a law professor at the University of California at Los Angeles. "It has virtually no chance." glad to hear it. Similar lawsuits in the past have had little success. In 1981, Hustler published an article -- part of a series about taboo sexual practices -- called "Orgasm of Death." It described in graphic detail the practice of autoerotic asphyxia, in which a person masturbates while hanging himself to cut off the blood supply to the brain. A 14-year-old boy found a copy, tested the theory, and was found hanging by his neck in his closet the next morning. An appeals court said Hustler couldn't be held responsible for the youth's death. well, i wouldn't like to be responsible for someone else's stupidity. i've never heard of gun companies being sued when people get shot, quite right too. society lacks a sense of personal responsibility, they expect someone else to be responsible for everything. i heard about a mentally unstable man who killed someone and then sued his therapist, that's the height of insanity, dependency taken to it's ultimate conclusion DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a
[CTRL] Situation Vacant
-Caveat Lector- taken from the Electronic Telegraph Feedback section. (www.telegraph.co.uk) Andrew I Busigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Help Wanted: Military Governor (temporary) Date: 9 April 1999 A Balkan state on the Adriatic is about to be occupied, and will temporarily require the services of a military governor. dd Background: A temporary military governor will be required for the next 50 months. You will be replacing an elected official leading a coalition government who is being forced out by the Western Hegemony of International Military (WHIM) armed forces. Rather than answer to the local electorate, you will be required to modify their behavior, so that they elect officials more acceptable to the American state department. Objectives During your tenure, you will oversee the dismemberment of the country's political structure, military, security forces, banking system, and judiciary. This in turn will facilitate the annexing of significant portions of southern, western, and northern provinces. Special sensitivity will be required during the removal of lands containing monasteries, and other cultural landmarks. Environment: To assist you, the WHIM ground forces will suppress and replace internal security forces, while WHIM air power will monitor and and track any guerrilla movements. Current Covert Ops will also route pertinent intelligence to you, and assist in the establishment of a local cell-based intelligence network. Some personal danger will exist, but a US-trained personal security contingent will provide 24 hour coverage, with blanket authority to use deadly force against local "freedom fighters". (S***ian Freedom Fighters are to be referred to in future as "terrorists" and "Enemies of a peaceful Yug***avia") Qualifications: Knowledge of Serbo-Croatian and Albanian languages is preferred, but not essential. Fluency in English NWO-NewSpeak is a must. News management experience is vital to a successful occupation. Historical facts will need to be properly adjusted and prepared to justify the downsizing and establishment of new international boundaries. Accurate historical references to previous invasions, and Muslim expansionism, may need to be deflected. Re-education of both adults, and especially children will be a high priority so as not to interfere with a politically correct, newly sanitized history of current and past events. A leading public relations agency will be put at your disposal with experience in manufacturing news. (We will attempt to engage the same firm that was so successful making up such winning stories as "The Kuwaiti incubator theft myth") Reporting Relationships: Your appointment will be on the authority of the Secretary General of NATO, pursuant to permissions of the US state department. Relations with the UN will be strictly controlled through Washington, and you will disregard any UN initiatives until the UN complies with US foreign policy. Salary and Benefits Remuneration and benefits will be generously provided in the NWOA9 (New World Order Acolyte - Senior Management level 9) pay range, with danger pay bonuses available. Generous travel, security, and ammunition allowances are assured. Follow-on employment opportunities will continue to exist afterwards, in a behind-the-scenes leadership role. If you're feeling constrained by classic western political ethics, and feel you can better define the boundaries of a foreign nation state than the native antagonists, forward your resumé to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (No agencies please) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The bombing of Yugoslavia
-Caveat Lector- how could anyone be stupid enough not to figure out that this would kill people? what the hell do they think these bombs are for? you're right about the media sanitising war though, or at least the institution. i saw a documentary on modern weaponry, stuff that was used in the gulf war and the like, and this US army PR asshole was talking about this new missile they had that could puncture a tanks army, destroying the tank and the 'equipment' inside. luckily the reporter was quick enough to notice the newspeak and said "don't you mean it'll puncture the tank's hull and _kill_ the _people_ inside?" and the PR asshole got rather uncomfortable and muttered an affirmative another thing, it only seems to be in the western media that events are sanatised as such, when some tourists were killed by rwandan rebels recently, in Uganda (i think), the reporters were asking the Ugandan authorities if they'd had any luck catching the rebels and the man said to them: "We have, i think, managed to kill 8 of them, we have soldiers trying to find the rest" there's nothing like a bit of brutal honesty, shame you have to go to Africa to get it. Hello CTRL, I have question for any of you observing the bombing of Yugoslavia. Has anyone seen on any major media news service the full consequences of the bombing of Yugoslavia? I have only to date seen the structural damage to buildings and other types of structures being done. I have yet to see any dead bodies as in dead people in any of the stuff broadcast on T.V.. I have heard the newscatsters repeatally report that some numbers of people have been rumored to have been killed by Serbian officeals. I would bet even money they are not showing any of the dead bodies or dead people in the views of bombed out buildings and structures in order to propagandally sanitize the bombing going on over there. If the general public were allowed to view the entire consequences of the bombing over there I think they would view this very differently. There is a mass campaign to try and enlist new young recruits to all branches of the military. In my oppinion if they saw on T.V. the actual bodies of dead people as a direct result of war I seriously doubt they would enlist. I would like to hear anyones oppinion concern the topic of the medias lack of total reporting of the Bombing of Yugoslavia. They to date are only broadcasting half truths if that much. Have a great day :-) Best regards, Mark Allen Pitt :-) A.A.S. ;-) aka Scroll lock *.* BBS ICQ number; 4861371 email; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page; http://www.geocities.com/Area51/9357 Zero Mass Energy; The Study of Free Systems. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The U.S. -- Violator of Human Rights
-Caveat Lector- I don't believe that Amnesty International is a part of the UN. Am I incorrect? It may perhaps be considered by the UN to be an NGO which may have more power within the UN than other groups, but I don't know about that. Anyone know? i'm pretty sure that Amnesty International is an independent organisation, i'd be surprised it was organised by the UN. I can't see how this could be the case, because i haven't noticed any bias in their reporting, they seem to be entirely independent, i remember reading an annual report on human rights abuse in different countries that reported on police brutality in western countries, as well as all the other saddam, kosova stuff we all hear about already from the entirely biased NATO reports which only a fool would trust. Mind, you can't trust anyone in a war, maybe not even Amnesty International. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo, evolution in action.
-Caveat Lector- what can i say? i'm sure you'll shout at me for calling you a fascist, so i won't. ever heard of darwin's theory? ie. that strength comes from diversity, those that lock themselves in and try to kill off all who are different are the weakest of all. would you be saying this if your family and friends were being hunted down and killed, being forced to run from the paramilitary police, leaving all behind. would you? methinx not -andrew I do not know what is the problem with serbia wipingout albanians. It just part of evolution. Germany is stronger today because of evolution per Hitler. Group of human wiping out other groups of Humans is natural. After all Didn't Man wipe out all the Neanderthals? (excluding the basque) Now we got to get a few scientist to tag a few abanians to see how far the albanian Gene pool will spread or disipate in macedonia. a very interesting study indeed. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Is Melissa a government contrivance?
-Caveat Lector- as far as i'm aware, you only need to fear it if you use MS outlook. i don't use MS Outlook, i use eudora, no need for me to worry. the most rebellious anti-authoritarian part of internet users (hackers and other techies) then to use linux, so they don't need to fear either. so lets see, you only have to fear it if you are unlucky to be using MS products. and you're saying the government did this? there isn't a sinister government motive in everything you know, this was probably done by an immature little kid who thought overloading a cast amount of servers would be more useful than reporting the bug through the proper channels so it could be fixed before it did any damage. you just need to chill out man. -Caveat Lector- Hmmm, lets see. We have an Internet which is now beyond the control of government. The Internet has become one of the few remaining outlets for uncensored news concerning the more "embarrassing" aspects/operations of government. Add to this the current debate among government officials over how to "protect" the public from "hostile" content found on said Internet. Now, all that is needed to legitimize imposing new restrictions on this medium is the invention of electronic "terrorists." Voila! Along comes "Vicoden." Whatcha wanna bet that whoever this turd is, s/he has a more-than-casual relationship with big brother? I do not normally lend (much :-)) credence to conspiracy theories, but if I were to write a novel on the covert governmental control of dissemination of information, this would be a classic formula. Edward "From the rage of today's downtrodden comes the revenge of tomorrow's revolutionary force." Edward Britton http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] the meaning of the word socialist
-Caveat Lector- socialism (so´she-lîz´em) noun 1. a. A social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community. b. The theory or practice of those who support such a social system. 2. The building of the material base for communism under the dictatorship of the proletariat in Marxist-Leninist theory. personally, i'd go for 1 someone once said during the first world war that if it was up to the people, the war would be over in a week. kinda unrelated, but there you go. i believe that the system should be run by the people, when you fail to trust the people, then you start the gradual decline form democracy into dictatorship. failing to trust the people is that mistake people like Castro and the Soviets made. look what happened there. capitalism (kàp´î-tl-îz´em) noun An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market. it's rather difficult to define something like capitalism, it's been with us for thousands of years in so many different forms. socialism is kinda new. As such Capitalism requires a separation of the State and business in much the SAME capacity as Church-State separation. but i think that government should get involved, because factory owners are accountable to no-one but the shareholders. they have power over people's lives without ever having been democratically elected. true (very important word if you want to understand my argument) socialism and democracy are inseperable. if control of the industry is centralised under an undemocratic regime, then things get much, much worse. as it was in the USSR. *My* definition of Statist (socialist, nazi-ist, fascist, communist) would be anything other than providing ALL individuals with a RIGHT to their own life. as i say, socialism and capitalism are outside of these particular systems, the nazis called themselves the national socialists, yet naziism (or state-led racism of any kind) can exist in any monetary system. the government always controls the police and army after all. socialism as i believe in it (very loosely mind, my opinions are constantly changing) is for the destruction of _social_ power, not personal power. social power is defined as the power to control society, or a number of members of society, which is in capitalist society, owned by corporations, government, and the like. social power is most often used to take away personal power. personal power is defined as the right for the individual to control his or her own life, and no-one elses. personal power is in control of no-one elses personal power and therefore is a threat only to those who would seek to control society, or certain members of society (did anyone mention the government?) socialism is not a perfect system, for it to truly work requires an immense amount of hard-work and cleverness by a large number of extremely unselfish people, and it often fails to live up to expectations. but capitalism is riddled with problems as well, such as the abuse of the poor by the rich (something which i believe the founders of america wanted to end.). Think on this fact: america was populated mainly by the oppressed, the poor, those escaping religious bigotry and the like (this is something i know about, a massive number of the population of scotland and ireland left for america after the irish famine and the highland clearances), america was 'concieved in liberty' (and it was). i don't know my american history too well, but it seems to me that you originally tried to mix the best bits of capitalism (economic freedom) with the best parts of socialism (protection of personal rights, i'm sure you'll disagree with me on that.). it seems to me not that socialism is taking over america, but that rather something else, which is neither socialism or capitalism, but a mix of the worst of both systems, the government AND industry seem to tread on and abuse the poor, from all reliable info, i personally would not like to live in america (no offence to americans, i just don't like the american system of government). you seem to live in an increasingly violent society (i've heard many tales of kids shooting kids in high school in america, the sort of thing that when it happened here prompted a widely supported drive to ban handguns). violence seems to be an integral part of your society, people do not feel safe in america, they feel as if they are under constant attack, why else do people carry guns? someone who is assured of his safety doesn't go and buy a gun. i'm not advocating gun-control here, because that doesn't solve anything, it just pisses off the people who want to keep guns. if the policy makers were to attack the disease rather than the sympoms of the disease, then it'd
[CTRL] the meaning of the word socialist
-Caveat Lector- i have a question for the list, especially those who have been calling clinton a socialist. how the hell do you define a socialist??!! definitely not the same way i do. i think of myself as a socialist, but i've always considered the american government to be a prevailingly very capitalist one. another thing, real socialists (by the definition of modern socialist organisations), do not consider stalin to have been a socialist. socialism in my mind is a government by the people, for the people and with the people. very idealistic i know, so don't any of you cynics on this list start patronising me please. i just feel that your definition of a socialist needs to be defined, because then maybe i'd be able to figure out what the hell you're talking about when you call clinton a socialist. if you want to read the reality of the socialist movement, you can do so here: http://www.clubi.ie/dojo/cwi/index this is the webpage of an international socialist organization. they have many articles on world affairs and probably a link to the communist manifesto in there somewhere. you might find that your definition of a socialist clashes with their definition of a socialist. -peace -andrew DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Take the World's Smallest Political Quiz
-Caveat Lector- At 22:21 27/03/99 -0800, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Find out where you stand politically at: http://www.self-gov.org/index.html all i can say is that the only thing that surprised me about this quiz was it's accuracy. considering the fact that it's only got four categories, it was pretty spot on in calling me a left-liberal. i think of myself, but then it said that left-authoritarians were socialists. well, seems you learn something every day. maybe this is just the american spin on that word, based on the USSR, which called itself a communist country. it seems many words which once meant something good and honourable are often twisted when despots use them to promote themselves. but i digress. seems that even in this so-called 'global village' we all live in (HA!, more like a global factory, with the third world as the underpaid workers and us as the whip-crackers. sorry about that, i can't seem to help myself sometimes, i'll get off my soapbox now.), terms can come to mean very different things on different sides of the ocean, despite the lack of a language barrier. i know i shouldn't, but i can't help but take it as a personal insult when i read Clinton being described as a socialist or a communist or whatever. i know that your definition is entirely different from mine, but for some reason it still seems to hurt. This will surprise a lot of you! The Word Of The Lord: Proverbs 29:1 He who is often reproved, yet stiffens his neck will suddenly be broken beyond healing. very true, i really should read that book sometime, seems that there's a lot to learn from it, even for an atheist. "My first pledge will be to restore integrity to the White House. And I'll fire anyone who has lied to the American people or the United States Congress." - Al Gore, in a February 2, 1988 presidential debate So does this mean he's going to fire Clinton? we can but hope. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo Drugs Target Christian Infidels (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- At 11:11 26/03/99 +, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 25 Mar 99, , Brian wrote: -Caveat Lector- KOSOVO DRUGS TARGET "CHRISTIAN INFIDELS" "U.S. soldiers called upon to enforce a 'peace' accord that turns Kosovo over to the KLA might be interested to know that they are risking their lives on behalf of a criminal syndicate that for years has pumped heroin into the U.S. and threatened the lives of American law enforcement officials." [1] (CNNS, 03/25/99) -- New York City is the final destination of the Istanbul-Yugoslavia-New York heroin pipeline. Between 25 and 40 percent of the U.S. heroin supply travels this route. [2] How does this explain 10,000 refugees--women, children, the elderly-- fleeing their burning villages? The Sherman Skolnick post came closest to clarity. The Croats are the Nazis and Ustashe. Okay, got that. Now the Kosovans are heroin traffickers. And The Serbs are the Boy Scouts? Are we supposed to believe that The Slob is just trying to cleanse the world of heroin traffickers? And we are bombing the "good guys"? sno0wl maybe not, but from what i've heard here, there obviously are no good guys in this war. as there are very few good guys in any conflict who will not go to some length to get their goal, even if people do get hurt. having a free mind is the art of listening to everyone's propoganda and trying to find the truth. blody difficult as well. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UK-TV Watch tonight
-Caveat Lector- UK-TV Watch tonight. === Thursday March 11th 1999 UK - TV tonight on Channel 5 at 20:30hrs. GMT "Stranger than Fiction" Allegated CIA involvement with mind-control drugs. === well, i'd watch it, except i don't have channel 5. they haven't built transmitters up here yet. oh woe is me ;) it's not as if they could tell anyone on this list anything they don't know already. no doubt it'll consist of lots of strange camera angles, 'experts' speaking in darkened rooms to make it look sinister and a lot of x-file style floaty music in the background. like the UFO documentarys tv often does. oh, the merriment of it all "Dispatches" Expose of the possible dangers of eating so-called "Frankenstein foods" === amusing fact about channel 4, being probably the most fringe-worthy tv station i know of, they once censored a derogatory comment Mark Thomas made about a certain politician (can't remember what exactly it was he said), whilst ignoring the fact that he'd said the word f*ck about 22 times during the show. quite amusing really, i would've thought insulting politicians would increase the ratings no end, therefore making advertising space on channel 4 that little bit more expensive. makes sense to me. there are sinister forces involved.. ;) == "changing values is probably more important than moving low-income families into the middle class" Dr Thomas Sticht from the US Department of Labor 1987 who are your enemies? _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Russia and China Prepare for War by Chris Ruddy
-Caveat Lector- there are many things i have a problem with in this article. for starters, you have implied (maybe accidentally) that russia was a communist country. this isn't true, as you might have noticed. Also, you have called china and russia the worst mass murderers of all time. Anybody can admit that China is easily a brutal regime, but how can you say that they are the worst mass-murderer of all time? Did the nazi holocaust fail to engage your attention at all? i believe the nazis are the ones worthy of that particular tag. secondly, russia was a brutal regime unde the previous communist administration, and russia itself has now been attempting to cutback on military spending (a rather wise idea, considering the terrible state of russia's military). i remember because there were massive protests by communists in moscow demanding that russia be able to protect itself (does this sound familiar? ironic, isn't it?) and the underground cities? from where do you get your information? this sounds like _extremely_ dodgy info. If you're going to accuse a government of something of that incredible magnitude, you ought to be able to support your claim. if there are any, it's probable they were built in the soviet era anyway. To suggest that the government would build this kind of thing, even if it could, is ridiculous, to suggest that a government would spend what is obviously amounting to billions on protecting the people is just ridiculous. The only entity in russia that has that kind of money to waste is the mafia i'd expect. i agree that america must defend itself from threats. but only if there ARE threats. desperately attempting to justify an incredibly bloated military budget by trying to find new enemies is something that america's been doing too much of lately. and saying that russia is the country it was is absolutely ridiculous. and i must say that expending 28% of the budget is rather ridiculous for a large country such as america, which is attempting to fund this ridiculous war on drugs. why is it so difficult to accept that tax money should be spent on improving the country you live in, rather than attempting to make america look big (as if it needed to). ps. it might do you some good to compare your views on defence with that of the hardline communists in russia. you might learn something -andrew == The main characteristic of a totalitarian regime is a police force whose agenda is to protect the government instead of the people. what do you think riot police are for? _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] China, the USSR, and Germany
-Caveat Lector- As a footnote, I would like to add that I am in no way denying the horror of The Holocaust or inferring that it should not be widely talked about and remembered. My point is merely that it is more well known by the general public than the abuses of Mao, but Stalin's career is probably next in order of most to least well known. although i don't know my facts properly (they didn't teach us about anything that happened after the second world war in school), you make a good point (i think :P) i must've got a few delusions of intellectual grandeur there, it's not difficult when you're surrounded by people who think history is something that happens to other people. == The main characteristic of a totalitarian regime is a police force whose agenda is to protect the government instead of the people. what do you think riot police are for? _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Big Bad Socialism
-Caveat Lector- The title of this post says it all. Yes Socialism/ Fascism and all forms of Statism are not only "bad" but murderous. Socialist Statism is a pact with the devil. The sheep are led by duplicitous sociopaths who are obsessed with power. The countless millions who were murdered in this century by Socialism/ Statism never got to enjoy their "social security." i can't help but object to your infuriatingly narrow-minded view of socialism as a political movement. you are basing your arguments against socialism on the worst possible examples, which aren't actually examples of socialism in practice. just after the war the labour government came into power in britain and erected the welfare state (the dole and the NHS, not very dictatorial policies in my opinion). if you are having a stab at the welfare state, then don't, as you don't have any ground to stand on, if you are attacking statism, then be reminded that statism only falls into stalinist style dictatorship when democracy is abolished. but bad things happen when democracy is abolished regardless of whether the government is communist, capitalist or fascist. Prisoners all have "social security". Free room and board for life. again, please don't attack the welfare system, as the only problems i have with it is that sometimes people fall through the net and end up on the streets through extreme bad luck or drug addiction (and countless other causes) Unfortunately as long as we have "true believers" who insist on forcing their personally, i wouldn't say the welfare state is irrational, but i won't attempt to persuade you to come round to my point of view, i don't think i stand a chance. i know people, friends, who have to rely on government benefits due to no-one in the household having a job. if you were in this situation, i doubt you would be ranting on about the evils of 'statism' irrational political statist philosophy founded on religiosity rather then rationality, we will be plagued by socialist murderers and dictators. do you want me to give you my standard speech on the abuse the poor often suffer at the hands of large corporations, as well as te corruption private funding brings into the political system? naah, besides, i'm getting off topic, i apologise in advance if i am == The main characteristic of a totalitarian regime is a police force whose agenda is to protect the government instead of the people. what do you think riot police are for? _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
