[CTRL] Germans knew of Holocaust horror about death camps
-Caveat Lector- http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,439168,00.html Germans knew of Holocaust horror about death camps Details of deaths of Jews and other groups in concentration camps were well publicised John Ezard Saturday February 17, 2001 The Guardian The mass of ordinary Germans did know about the evolving terror of Hitler's Holocaust, according to a new research study. They knew concentration camps were full of Jewish people who were stigmatised as sub-human and race-defilers. They knew that these, like other groups and minorities, were being killed out of hand. They knew that Adolf Hitler had repeatedly forecast the extermination of every Jew on German soil. They knew these details because they had read about them. They knew because the camps and the measures which led up to them had been prominently and proudly reported step by step in thousands of officially-inspired German media articles and posters according to the study, which is due to be published simultaneously in Britain and the US early next month and which was described as ground-breaking by Oxford University Press yesterday and already hailed by other historians. The reports, in newspapers and magazines all over the country were phases in a public process of "desensitisation" which worked all too well, culminating in the killing of 6m Jews, says Robert Gellately. His book, Backing Hitler, is based on the first systematic analysis by a historian of surviving German newspaper and magazine archives since 1933, the year Hitler became chancellor. The survey took hundreds of hours and yielded dozens of folders of photocopies, many of them from the 24 main newspapers and magazines of the period. Landmark Its results, Professor Gellately says, destroy the claim - generally made by Germans after Berlin fell in 1945 and accepted by most historians - that they did not know about camp atrocities. He concludes by indicating that the only thing many Germans may not have known about was the use of industrial-scale gas chambers because, unusually, no media reports were allowed of this "final solution". However, by the end of the war camps were all over the country and many Germans worked in them. Yesterday OUP said his study exposed "once and for all the substantial consent and active participation of large numbers of ordinary Germans". Its head of historical publishing, Ruth Parr, called it a landmark study of the terror. "He asks and answers some very difficult questions about how much the ordinary German people knew about the Nazi atrocities, and to what degree they supported them," she said. A leading British-born Holocaust historian, Professor Michael Burleigh, said the book was "original and outstanding, genuinely important". Another authority on the camps, Professor Omer Bartov, of Brown University, Rhode Island, US, described Backing Hitler as "path-breaking - a crucial contribution to our understanding of the relationship between consent and coercion in modern dictatorship". Conventional wisdom among post war historians has been that - as Lord Dahrendorf, ex-warden of St Antony's College, Oxford, says in his study Society and Democracy in Germany (1966) - "It is certainly true that most Germans 'did not know' about National Socialist crimes of violence; nothing precise, that is, because they did not ask any questions_." A common explanation among influential modern German historians, including Hans-Ulrich Thamer in his study Wooing and Violence (1986) is that the Nazis "seduced" an unwilling or passive public. Gellately, professor in Holocaust history at Clark University, Massachusetts, offers a mass of detail to support the theme of an earlier work, Daniel Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners, which caused an international sensation in 1995. Goldhagen's theme was that "what the Nazis actually did was to unshackle and thereby activate Germans' pre-existing, pent-up anti-semitism". Gellately began his inquiry after finding a press report -published as routine - of a woman reported to the Gestapo for "looking Jewish" and allegedly having sex with a neighbour. "For decades my generation had been told that so much of the terror had been carried out in complete secrecy," he writes. His media trawl, with a research assistant, found that as early as 1933 local papers reported the killing of 12 prisoners by guards at Dachau, the first to be set up as a "model" concentration camp initially for communists. On May 23 the Dachauer Zeitung said the camp was Germany's most famous place and brought "new hope to the Dachau business world". By 1934 the main and widely read Nazi-owned paper Volkische Beobachter was reporting a widening of policy to other "political criminals" including Jews accused of race defilement. By 1936 communist prisoners were no longer mentioned: in a photo-essay in the SS paper Das Schwarze Korps emphasised the camps as places for "race defilers, rapists, sexual degenerates and habitual criminals". This
Re: [CTRL] "The Jewish Establishment" by Joseph Sobran
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/14/99 9:57:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > http://www.flinet.com/~politics/aipac/sobran2.htm > > >"Americans ought to be free to discuss Jewish power and Jewish > interests frankly, without being accused of denying the rights of Jews. That > should go without saying. The truth is both otherwise and unmentionable." > --- Joseph Sobran > -- > > "The Jewish Establishment" > by > Joseph Sobran > > >In the early 1930s, Walter Duranty of the New York Times was in > Moscow, covering Joe Stalin the way Joe Stalin wanted to be covered. To > maintain favor and access, he expressly denied that there was famine in the > Ukraine even while millions of Ukrainian Christians were being starved into > submission. For his work Duranty won the Pulitzer Prize for journalism. To > this day, the Times remains the most magisterial and respectable of American > newspapers. > >Now imagine that a major newspaper had had a correspondent in Berlin > during roughly the same period who hobnobbed with Hitler, portrayed him in a > flattering light, and denied that Jews were being mistreated - thereby not > only concealing, but materially assisting the regime's persecution. Would > that paper's respectability have been unimpaired several decades later? Gee, what an inappropriate analogy. The truth of the matter is that the news media of Hitler's era, both domestic and worldwide, as well as the political establishments and the intelligence and foreign services of the times all actively and passively concealed and underreported the existence and extent of the holocaust until well into the 1940's with the full extent of the Nazi activities not becoming publicly known until after the end of the war. The New York Times was as guilty of this as the rest of the American press. See the book Beyond Belief : The American Press and the Coming of the Holocaust, 1933-1945 by Deborah E. Lipstadt (1993) Jack Abrams DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Yeltsin Gives Clinton Info on JFK
-Caveat Lector- Yeltsin Gives Clinton Info on JFK .c the Associated Press COLOGNE, Germany (June 20) - Russian President Boris Yeltsin came to Sunday's meeting with President Clinton bearing one gift - a report on declassified Russian information relating to the assassination of President John Kennedy. Sandy Berger, Clinton's national security adviser, termed the report a ''very interesting gift.'' But he refused to speculate on whether it contained any new information on the Kennedy assassination, saying it was in Russian and U.S. officials had not reviewed it. The documents will ''be reviewed carefully and all interesting elements will be made public,'' Berger told reporters traveling with Clinton to the economic summit in Cologne. Berger said the document was the result of Yeltsin's order several years ago for various Russian agencies to review all of their material related to Kennedy, covering military, civilian and private archives. In 1991, Russia's intelligence agency declassified its files on Lee Harvey Oswald, the man the Warren Commission report identified as the gunman who killed Kennedy as he was riding in a motorcade in Dallas in 1963. In 1992, the files were shipped to Minsk, the Belarusian capital, so that Belarusian officials could review them. Oswald lived in Minsk in the early 1960s. The Izvestia newspaper reported in 1992 that the reformist Russian intelligence chief Vadim Bakatin wanted to release the files but was blocked by veteran spies who feared disclosure of their names and tactics. AP-NY-06-20-99 1209EDT Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Russian Warns One Big EMP Could Cripple America
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/19/99 2:58:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Our luncheon speaker was Representative Kurt Weldon (R-PA) who led an > early May delegation of U.S. congressional representatives to meet with > members of the Russian State Duma to discuss ways to end the US-NATO > bombings. Weldon repeatedly expressed the opinion that President > Clinton wants the bombings to continue for irrational reasons which are > unclear to his congressional critics. > > During the question period, I asked Weldon, "Given the weakness of the > Russian missile alert system, especially with probable year 2000 > computer problems, and the irrationality of both President Clinton and > President Yeltsin, who already several times has threatened nuclear war > over the bombings, what do you consider to be the percentage chance of > nuclear war in the next 12 months." (My question and his reponse were > the first and only reference to nuclear war during the conference, > except for one panelist's sarcastic comment about using nuclear weapons > against Belgrade.) > > Weldon said (somewhat paraphrased): "This is why we in Congress are > working so hard and doing our own negotiations. We are worried about > the Russian nuclear safety issues. We are worried about the possibility > of nuclear war over the instabilities this war has caused. In fact, I > have a story to tell. When the eleven members of our congressional > delegation were sitting there with the members of the Russian Duma, > Chairman of the Russian State Duma Foreign Policy Committee, Vladimir > Lukin, warned the Americans, 'You have to understand that if we want to > cause you a problem over this, we could. Someone, we don't know who, > could send up a missile from a ship or a submarine and detonate a > nuclear weapon high over the United States. The EMP (electromagenetic > pulse) would take away all your capability.'** So we in Congress take > this whole situation very very seriously." > > This warning is even more direct and threatening than President Yeltin's > several warnings that the bombing of Yugoslavia could eventually lead to > World War Three or that Russian would massively retaliate should one US > bomb stray into it's territory. > > **Note: an electromagnetic pulse from a high detonated nuclear weapon > could burn out most unprotected electrical and electronic equipment, > unprotected computers, solid state electrical components of aircraft, > modern autos, trucks, tractors and most consumer equipment and > effectively bring America to a halt. As I understand them, EMP weapons have a radius of coverage of about 25 to 50 miles from their detonation point (still quite a problem). Does anyone know if Lukin's statement that the EMP from a nuclear weapon detonated at high altitude could affect the entire U.S. is true? Jon Bell DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Russia's Operational Starwars Defense System
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/16/99 4:18:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > In this article I will describe the Russian system as it developed > from 1977 to 1983, and give several examples of how it was used > during that period. But first I will try to convince readers of > the credibility of my main source of information about it. > > My main source is articles published in a weekly legislative > newspaper, WISCONSIN REPORT (WR), of Brookfield, Wisconsin, (P.O. > Box 45, zip 53005), written by the late Dr. Peter David Beter, a > well-respected Washington, DC attorney, Doctor of Jurisprudence, > and expert and consultant in international law, finance, and > intelligence This is the same Dr. Beter who claimed that there were several Jimmy Carter clones and that the real Jimmy Carter (and family) had been kidnapped or eliminated. I believe he also made similar claims about other world leaders. as always, Caveat Lector DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
