Re: [CTRL] Is Paul Harvey a retard???

1999-06-11 Thread Kinda Ford

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I would have to say that Paul Harvey has hit the nail squarely on the head.

Kinda



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 From Sex to Superconsciousness - http://www.truthbeknown.com

  What a complete dork!  And now the rest of the story .
  . . . Paul Harvey's brains were obviously sucked out
  some time ago by reptilians.  If I were the Prince of
  Darkness, I'd use Paul Harvey to spread ignorance.


   Subject: RE: Fw: Quote from PAUL HARVEY,
   Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:47:38 -0500
  
   STAND BY FOR NEWS,
   
   
   
this was from Paul Harvey.

"If I were the Prince of Darkness, I would want
   to engulf the whole world
in darkness.  I'd want all of the world I could
   get, but I would not be
happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the
   tree--America.  So, I
would set about to take over the Christian
   countries, beginning with the
United States.  I would begin with a whispering
   campaign.  With the
wisdom of the serpent, I would whisper to all as
   I whispered to Eve, "Do
as you please".

To the young I would whisper that "the Bible is a
   myth".  I would tell
them that man created God rather than the other
   way around.  I'd tell
them, "what's bad is good, and what's good is
   'square'."  To the old I
would teach them to pray after me, "Our Father,
   who art in Washington,
give me .."

I'd educate authors in how to make lurid
   literature acceptable, and I'd
educate television producers how to ridicule all
   that is decent and
honorable.  I'd peddle drugs to whomever I could,
   and I'd sell alcohol to
ladies and gentlemen of distinction.  I'd
   tranquilize the rest with
prescription pills.

I'd have families, marriages, churches, and
   nations war with themselves
until each, in turn, was consumed.

I'd encourage schools to train intellects but
   neglect to discipline
emotions--just let them run wild.  Before they
   knew it, there would be
drug sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every
   schoolhouse door.  Soon,
I could evict God from the courthouse and the
   schoolhouse and then, from
the houses of congress.

In His own church I'd offer the words of men for
   religion and deify
science.  I'd make the symbol of Easter an egg
   and the symbol of
Christmas a bottle.

If I were the devil, I'd take from those who earn
   and give to those who
want until I killed the incentive of the hard
   work.  What do you bet that
I could get an entire state to promote gambling
   as the way to riches.  I
wold caution against extremes in hard work, in
   patriotism, and in moral
conduct.

I'd convince you people that marriage is
   old-fashioned, and what you see
on TV is the way to live.  Thus I could lure
   scores into bed and they'd
wake up with diseases for which there is no cure.

I guess, if I were the devil, I'd keep right on
   doing what he's been
doing.

Paul Harvey



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Re: [CTRL] Is Paul Harvey a retard???

1999-06-11 Thread Kinda Ford

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In a message dated 6/11/99 4:43:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
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 Well Kinda (that's a strange name!),
  That makes one of us...

  Bill.

Hi Bill..just in case you are saying my name wrong, it rhymes with Linda ;)

To each his own Bill

Kinda

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Re: [CTRL] Urantia

1999-05-13 Thread Kinda Ford

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In a message dated 5/12/99 11:23:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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 so tell me what you got out of it


God consciousness, eternal life, and a renewed respect for our Creator Son,
Jesus of Nazareth.

K.

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Re: [CTRL] Urantia

1999-05-13 Thread Kinda Ford

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In a message dated 5/12/99 11:27:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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 why would they want to control us by use of a biochip?

The evil empire wants to control us with biochips in an effort to cancel out
the "still small voice"..the indwelling spirit of God.

Kinda

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Re: [CTRL] Urantia

1999-05-12 Thread Kinda Ford

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In a message dated 5/11/99 10:31:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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 sounds like a lot of bullshit to me!


Yes..this is the response of the majority of those that hear of the Urantia
book.  But remember..the majority isn't always right!

Kinda

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Re: [CTRL] Urantia

1999-05-12 Thread Kinda Ford

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In a message dated 5/12/99 10:10:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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 the reason i said that was because it has a history of faud.

Hi Robert

I understand.  The only way to discover if it is fraudulent or not is to read
it. It stands on its own very well :)  Some of those who have read the book
are frauds..but the book itself is not.

Kinda

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Re: [CTRL] Urantia

1999-05-12 Thread Kinda Ford

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In a message dated 5/12/99 10:47:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 what about the origins of the book?

Hi there..

Here is an excerpt from some court documents about the origins of the Urantia
Book...

http://www.ubook.org/UBOrigin.html


J.2 HOW WERE THE URANTIA PAPERS MATERIALIZED?
Sources used for this section:
HISTORY OF THE URANTIA MOVEMENT - A short historical narrative was "prepared
by a group of Urantia pioneers, assisted by members of the contact commission
- 1960"
HISTORY OF THE URANTIA MOVEMENT - [Anonymous] "History Two" is an enlarged
version of the above history, and is not dated. The added material includes
writings that are probably from a member of the Contact Commission who also
performed stenographic duties throughout the nearly fifty-year process. [Note
#4]
A HISTORICITY OF THE URANTIA PAPERS - Written by the only living colleague of
the Chicago Physician. A video taped interview with this colleague was also
used.
A recently discovered cassette tape commentary on the origins of the Urantia
Papers by a member of the Contact Commission.
The appendix of Mind at Mischief, published in 1929. This book was written by
the doctor involved in the case.

It is certain that no mortal being knows, or ever knew, the complete story of
how the Urantia Papers came to be. We do know that circa 1911, a prominent
Chicago physician, psychiatrist, and debunker of psychic phenomena began
treating a case of psychic activities that he was unable to explain. His
involvement, bafflement, and intellectual struggle with these activities
culminated in the publication of The Urantia Book in 1955. The identity of
the patient will never be known.

Some confusion exists about how the text of the Urantia Papers was
materialized - it was a different process than the early activities of the
contact personality. These early activities seemed - at first - typical of
"channeling" activities. The patient spoke while in a trance. He also
produced what were apparently "automatic" writings. Yet, there is no record -
whatever - of any individual having seen him write. In fact, "History Two"
states that: "During those early years, all of our observations and
investigations utterly failed to reveal the . . . technique of reducing the
messages to writing."

Perhaps the most baffling thing about the early messages that were produced
by the Contact Personality was their astounding content. The doctor involved
could not explain the unique material, nor how the patient seemed to be able
to produce it. The physician retained scientific objectivity, and was
especially skeptical in the early years of the process. History Two states:
"Those of us who early attended the nocturnal vigils never suspected that we
were in contact with anything supernatural."

Eventually, the doctor provisionally accepted the validity of the material
that was being recorded. His unqualified conviction developed over many
years, and was based upon the quality of the content of the Urantia Papers -
and the precise philosophic consistency of the complex and voluminous
material - not upon the puzzling and unexplained technique by which the
Papers were materialized. Throughout his life, the doctor urged others to
study and evaluate the Urantia Papers solely upon their content - not upon
any phenomena that may have been associated with their appearance.

The doctor, in the appendix of his 1929 book, describes the material as ". .
. essentially Christian, and is, on the whole, entirely harmonious with the
known scientific facts and truths of this age." He also stated that:
"Eighteen years of study and careful investigation have failed to reveal the
psychic origin of these messages. . . Its philosophic content is quite new,
and we have been unable to find where very much of it has ever found human
expression."

A CLEAR LINE OF DEMARCATION
It is important to establish a distinction between the early communications
and the remarkable events that eventually produced the actual text of the
Urantia Papers. After the Forum [originally 30 people] was brought into the
process [circa 1924], they submitted questions to the "celestial beings"
through the Contact Commission. According to the histories, the answers to
the questions were written out - it was never understood precisely how - and
formed a kind of first working draft for the Urantia Papers. The written
materials were subsequently typed, the typed papers verified, and finally,
the original written material destroyed. Eventually the typed copies were
also destroyed, per instructions by the Revelators.

It is clear that all of the text of the Urantia Papers was materialized in
written form. The puzzling aspects of how this was done completely baffled
the doctor and several other experts in psychic phenomena who were called in.
In addition, at some point handwriting experts were asked to examine the
written material. They verified that the handwritten material was not the
patient's 

Re: [CTRL] Urantia

1999-05-12 Thread Kinda Ford

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In a message dated 5/12/99 2:43:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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 wasn't the Urantia Book designed to help American Christians
  accept the idea of being IMPLANTED - and is it not now some NSA
  and NWO scam ??
  are the remote controlled teletubby generation Urantians  ??
  sort of 'live at peace with your implant' and don't be bad - and you
  ARE bad and abherrant if you don't want an implant etc etc

  Andrew Hennessey
  Transformation Studies Group
  Edinburgh   Scotland


Hi Andrew

The vast majority of christians will not go near this book, so how can they
be "misled"? The Urantia book EXPOSES the puppet masters behind the NWO and
the NSA.  You are way off base with your implant theory.  Don't confuse the
indwelling spirit of God with man-made biochips.  Biochips are intended to
control and manipulate. You can implant me with the spirit of God all day
long if you like..but biochips...I will die first.

Kinda

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Re: [CTRL] Urantia

1999-05-11 Thread Kinda Ford

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In a message dated 5/11/99 4:26:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Thank you very much.  Something I will have to read.

  Colleen

Ewe!...I don't hear that very often..usually it's.."no thanks..that's too
weird for me"..hehe

Kinda

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Re: [CTRL] Urantia

1999-05-11 Thread Kinda Ford

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In a message dated 5/11/99 10:25:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Has anyone had any experience/knowledge of the Urantia
  (http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~urantia/book.htm )   following?  Some
friends
  of mine have really gotten into this...I was particularly curious if there
  was a Zechariah Sitchin ( http://user.tninet.se/~gbl020q/zechariah.htm )
  relationship.


Hi Jerry

I have been a reader of the Urantia Book for almost 3 years.  I read it
almost daily.  It is a most remarkable book.  Sitchin has stumbled onto some
of the information that the Urantia Book speaks of, but as far as I know
Sitchin is not a reader.  I heard that he does know of the Urantia book tho.
Some of Sitchin's material contradicts the Urantia Book, but if Sitchin were
to read it, I think he would be upset by the fact that he would have to
rewrite or rethink some of his theories.

Kinda

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Re: [CTRL] Urantia

1999-05-11 Thread Kinda Ford

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In a message dated 5/11/99 11:01:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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 i have tried ready the urantia book but i find it very difficult to read.
  what kind of mindset are you in when you read it and what kind of knowledge
  do you gain from it?


  robert

Hi Robert

The Urantia book is very difficult to read..especially the forward..just skip
that, the rest of the book isn't as difficult.  My mindset is very open..that
is a pre-requisite.  The knowledge contained in this book is extraordinary.
You feel like you are standing on top of the highest mountain and seeing
EVERYTHING in a new light after you are done reading it.  This book is the
link to the BIG PICTURE.  It is the key in helping to make sense of alot of
material presented on this conspiracy list.  Keep trying to read it
Robert..there are forces at work that will help you to understand it. :))

Kinda

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Re: [CTRL] Urantia

1999-05-11 Thread Kinda Ford

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In a message dated 5/11/99 11:27:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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 what exactly do you mean "forces at work" that will help me understand it?

  robert

I mean heavenly helpers who have their wills aligned with the
Universal/Heavenly Father of all.  I don't mean evil forces or ET's.

Kinda

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Re: [CTRL] Urantia

1999-05-11 Thread Kinda Ford

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In a message dated 5/11/99 1:53:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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 What is Urantia..Ura valley?  Thanks.

  Tell me about the story; because if Bob had a problem, I know I would
  also.

  Colleen


Hi Colleen...

Urantia means earth..I have included a description of the book below.


Kinda





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The URANTIA Book -  A Description






The URANTIA Book is a unique publication of epochal significance to the
people of our planet, Urantia. It contains 2,097 pages, and is divided into
four parts. It tells about Deity, the organization and administration of
universes and the relation of the planet on which we live to the universe, of
the genesis and destiny of man and his relation to God, and of the teachings
of Jesus Christ. It speaks to man's deep spiritual yearnings and satisfies
the intellect, fully harmonizing religion, philosophy, and today's science
through the fostering of individual spiritual growth and an understanding of
the universe which are commensurate with man's intellectual and cultural
development. It opens new vistas of time and eternity, new concepts of man's
ever ascending adventure of finding God the Father. This book of 196 papers
gives a new, comprehensive, organized record of man's origin, history and
destiny.


Part I The Central and Superuniverse

These thirty one papers depict the nature of Deity, the reality of Paradise,
the organization and working of the central and superuniverses, the
personalities of the grand universe, and the high destiny of evolutionary
mortals. They were sponsored, formulated, and put into English by a
commission of twenty four spiritual administrators acting in accordance with
a mandate issued by high deity authorities (the Ancients of Days) directing
that they do this on Urantia in the year A.D. 1934.


Part II The Local Universe

A local universe is the handiwork of a Creator Son of the Paradise order of
Michael. It comprises one hundred constellations, each embracing one hundred
systems of inhabited worlds. Each system will eventually contain
approximately one thousand inhabited spheres. Our world, Urantia, belongs to
a local universe whose sovereign is Michael, the Son of God and the Son of
Man, known on this world as Jesus of Nazareth. In the central universe the
Universal Father (God) is personally present; in the universes and planets of
space our Father is being represented by his Sovereign Sons, while he is
intimately present in the minds of his mortal children through his indwelling
spirit, The Thought Adjusters. The twenty five papers comprising Part II tell
the story of man's ascension career following his initial life on the
evolutionary planet.



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Part III The History of Urantia

Around 1,000,000,000 years ago Urantia had attained approximately its present
size. At this time it was placed upon the physical registries of our local
universe, Nebadon, and given its name, Urantia. (Page 660, Par. 3) The sixty
three papers comprising this section relate the history of our planet, the
geologic development, the establishment of life, and the evolution and
history of man, evolving civilizations, human institutions and governments.
Here also are discussed the Trinity concept, the evolution of religion, the
indwelling spirit of God (the Thought Adjuster), personality survival, the
bestowals of Christ Michael. "Urantia is the sentimental shrine of all
Nebadon, the chief of ten million inhabited worlds, the mortal home of Christ
Michael...And your record tells the truth when it says that this same Jesus
has promised some time to return to the world of his terminal bestowal, the
World of the Cross." (Page 1319, Par. 1)


Part IV The Life and Teachings of Jesus

These seventy seven papers give a year by year account of the life and
teachings of the Son of Man, his childhood, youth, and early travels, his
personal and public ministry, the choosing and training of the twelve
apostles, his trial, death, and resurrection. This biography of Jesus
occupies the last third of The URANTIA Book. The first three sections of the
book constitute an informing introduction, a universe backdrop, for the
enthralling drama of this human divine life of Jesus on our planet. The
presentation, therefore, of the picture of this matchless life in its cosmic
frame is rightly the climax, the fitting conclusion of the URANTIA
revelation. Jesus' life and precepts, in their original form, unencumbered by
tradition and dogma, are by far the greatest possible help that mortal man
can have in his age long climb to Paradise. "The great hope of Urantia lies
in the possibility of a new revelation of Jesus with a new and enlarged
presentation of his saving message which would spiritually unite in loving
service the numerous families of his present day professed followers." (Page

Re: [CTRL] Has Bill Clinton Died? (fwd)

1999-02-18 Thread Kinda Ford

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In a message dated 2/18/99 11:29:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

It's definitely at the low end of my list of possible conspiracies, but
 just because something sounds 'silly' does NOT necessarily mean it's
 not
 true...  ;-)
   

  Also, people might not know that Adolph Hitler had several doubles,
  to make it harder to assassinate him. The use of doubles makes
  sense from a security standpoint, making it harder to kill the
  target. If Secret Service is optimizing security, they'd want to
  do everything possible to ensure safety. So the use of Clinton
  doubles is not as far-fetched as it might seem.

  Brian Redman
  Editor, CNNS


Hello..

For what its worth...

A few months ago, much to my astonishment, Rush Limbaugh said to his audience
that Clinton did indeed have a double. The double was used for security
reasons, he gave the example of having the double exit first off of Air Force
One, in case of assasination attempts. I don't know where Rush got this
information, he didn't say. But if you are a regular Rush listener you know he
gives hardly any air time to conspiraicies or NWO stuff.  I was very surprised
to hear him talk about Clinton's double.

Kinda (rhymes with Linda)

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[CTRL] test

1999-02-01 Thread Kinda Ford

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Re: [CTRL] Bounced From list

1999-01-29 Thread Kinda Ford

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I got bounced too..I called AOL this afternoon and was told that 10% of email
customers were having problems.

Kinda

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