Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/15/2000 9:54:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah especially in churches and among the clerical hierarchy. Well, Joshua, was the Last Supper a Passover meal? I'm sure if I was a student of the Bible, I would know this, but I'm not sure. Yes, I agree that Christ was born into a middle class family with a carpentry business. Even his place of birth was one that under the circumstances demonstrated that Joseph had enough money to secure a warm place even under very crowded conditions. The poor would have been huddled outside the caravansaray walls which provided little safety and proximity to the toilet area. There are still villages where people go "outside the walls" for toilet purposes. I have never known any Jews who have taken a vow of poverty, so I do not know what vessels they allow themselves with which to celebrate Passover. There's something incongruous about a group who have taken a vow of poverty drinking wine from a jewel encrusted cup. Prudy
Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/16/2000 10:11:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - You should read David Ickes documentation in "The Truth Shall Set You Free," stating, that Jesus is not a historical person. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark Now that's funny. I'll accept the opinion that Jesus never existed, but there seems to be a LOT of history there. Prudy
[CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
- You should read David Ickes documentation in "The Truth Shall Set You Free," stating, that Jesus is not a historical person. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: In a message dated 09/14/2000 12:13:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LMFAO!!! Really??? So they have Jesus's print on file to check against?? I suppose it's right next to Huck Finn's and Uriah Heep's.. I have a hard time with the "ornate cups" that are supposed to be the Holy Grail. Christ and disciples had vowed poverty. That they would have gone to a lower class type of restaurant to eat and drink together makes good sense. IF and it is a big IF, the last supper was a Passover meal, then there is no reason that the cup should not be ornate. Jews to this day use ornate cups for religious purposes. Jesus ( not Christ, we are discussing history not fantasy ) and his deciples might have taken a vow of poverty, but he had rich backers and adherents in his movement. Some of the deciples came from rich families, and he had the support of people like Joseph of Arimethea who was wealthy enough to own a family tomb. As for the lower class restaurant, it's possible I guess, but I doubt it. It is far more likely that he and some desciples had Seder with a family in a private home. This " lower class " stuff is mainly being pushed by Crossan who could be quite wrong in his assumptions about Jesus' peasant status. It is highly unlikely that Jesus was illiterate as Crossan claims. It is more likely that he grew up in a middle class (sic) family with a construction business. They probably would have handed a container from hand to hand through the meal. It would have probably been of metal, but it might just as well have been wood. It would not have been ornate. It probably was ornate silver. It boggles the mind to try to picture Christ carrying about an ornate, probably gold, gm encrusted "chalice" to spice up the simple meals that He and His disciples would have shared. A Passover Seder is not a simple meal. It is an elaborate affair with the family's best dishes. As for golden and jewel encrusted, that would depend at whose place he was copping a meal. More likely it is Christian legend depicting the elegance of royalty as befits the King of Kings. I lived in the Middle East, and even the "Upper Room" is still a common phenomenum in restaurants there. It is a place for groups or large families to use. In the grandness that has become the hallmark of most of our Christian faiths, the simplicity of the life Christ chose to live seems to have been lost. Prudy Yeah especially in churches and among the clerical hierarchy. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gi
Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
Ole Gerstrøm wrote: - You should read David Ickes documentation in "The Truth Shall Set You Free," stating, that Jesus is not a historical person. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark That's because he's an idiot, a liar, and a fool who will make up shit to sell books. There is historical evidence of his brother James. J2 - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: In a message dated 09/14/2000 12:13:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LMFAO!!! Really??? So they have Jesus's print on file to check against?? I suppose it's right next to Huck Finn's and Uriah Heep's.. I have a hard time with the "ornate cups" that are supposed to be the Holy Grail. Christ and disciples had vowed poverty. That they would have gone to a lower class type of restaurant to eat and drink together makes good sense. IF and it is a big IF, the last supper was a Passover meal, then there is no reason that the cup should not be ornate. Jews to this day use ornate cups for religious purposes. Jesus ( not Christ, we are discussing history not fantasy ) and his deciples might have taken a vow of poverty, but he had rich backers and adherents in his movement. Some of the deciples came from rich families, and he had the support of people like Joseph of Arimethea who was wealthy enough to own a family tomb. As for the lower class restaurant, it's possible I guess, but I doubt it. It is far more likely that he and some desciples had Seder with a family in a private home. This " lower class " stuff is mainly being pushed by Crossan who could be quite wrong in his assumptions about Jesus' peasant status. It is highly unlikely that Jesus was illiterate as Crossan claims. It is more likely that he grew up in a middle class (sic) family with a construction business. They probably would have handed a container from hand to hand through the meal. It would have probably been of metal, but it might just as well have been wood. It would not have been ornate. It probably was ornate silver. It boggles the mind to try to picture Christ carrying about an ornate, probably gold, gm encrusted "chalice" to spice up the simple meals that He and His disciples would have shared. A Passover Seder is not a simple meal. It is an elaborate affair with the family's best dishes. As for golden and jewel encrusted, that would depend at whose place he was copping a meal. More likely it is Christian legend depicting the elegance of royalty as befits the King of Kings. I lived in the Middle East, and even the "Upper Room" is still a common phenomenum in restaurants there. It is a place for groups or large families to use. In the grandness that has become the hallmark of most of our Christian faiths, the simplicity of the life Christ chose to live seems to have been lost. Prudy Yeah especially in churches and among the clerical hierarchy. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
In a message dated 9/16/00 1:23:35 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's because he's an idiot, a liar, and a fool who will make up shit to sell books. Au contraire! Icke is a brilliant scholar and a daring man...his books are a wealth of information. Might I also suggest the beautiful and talented Acharya S's book THE CHRIST CONSPIRACY for further evidence that Christ never existed. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: In a message dated 09/14/2000 12:13:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LMFAO!!! Really??? So they have Jesus's print on file to check against?? I suppose it's right next to Huck Finn's and Uriah Heep's.. I have a hard time with the "ornate cups" that are supposed to be the Holy Grail. Christ and disciples had vowed poverty. That they would have gone to a lower class type of restaurant to eat and drink together makes good sense. IF and it is a big IF, the last supper was a Passover meal, then there is no reason that the cup should not be ornate. Jews to this day use ornate cups for religious purposes. Jesus ( not Christ, we are discussing history not fantasy ) and his deciples might have taken a vow of poverty, but he had rich backers and adherents in his movement. Some of the deciples came from rich families, and he had the support of people like Joseph of Arimethea who was wealthy enough to own a family tomb. As for the lower class restaurant, it's possible I guess, but I doubt it. It is far more likely that he and some desciples had Seder with a family in a private home. This " lower class " stuff is mainly being pushed by Crossan who could be quite wrong in his assumptions about Jesus' peasant status. It is highly unlikely that Jesus was illiterate as Crossan claims. It is more likely that he grew up in a middle class (sic) family with a construction business. They probably would have handed a container from hand to hand through the meal. It would have probably been of metal, but it might just as well have been wood. It would not have been ornate. It probably was ornate silver. It boggles the mind to try to picture Christ carrying about an ornate, probably gold, gm encrusted "chalice" to spice up the simple meals that He and His disciples would have shared. A Passover Seder is not a simple meal. It is an elaborate affair with the family's best dishes. As for golden and jewel encrusted, that would depend at whose place he was copping a meal. More likely it is Christian legend depicting the elegance of royalty as befits the King of Kings. I lived in the Middle East, and even the "Upper Room" is still a common phenomenum in restaurants there. It is a place for groups or large families to use. In the grandness that has become the hallmark of most of our Christian faiths, the simplicity of the life Christ chose to live seems to have been lost. Prudy Yeah especially in churches and among the clerical hierarchy. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
