Re: [CTRL] Buckley backs off
flw wrote: flw wrote: What a gigantic moron you are Cliff if your understanding of the NWO leads you to believe that William F. Buckley is a communist. You don't have a clue pal. Joshua2 It is childish to think there is any difference between the Corporate Capitalist Elite and the Party Elite. flw J2 writes in part: "There is a huge difference. The difference is in the systems the elites use to get power and wealth. Buckley is a Capitalist elitist. Communism is his nemesis. Stalin was a Communist elitist. Capitalism was his nemesis. Their allegiance to their systems is due to the fact that they are able to extract power and wealth through the systems they operate in." "What's the same, is their elitism." You celebrate form over substance. The Captalist / Socialist goal is political and financial control through manipulation and expansion of the police power of the State. There are merely superficial differences regarding the means to this ultimate end. The only difference between a Rockefeller, Hitler, or Stalin is that the tyranny and meglomania is more transparent in the latter two. Picking sides between "capitalism" and "socialism" is like deciding what side of the road you are marching in a two column army...the same army marching in the same direction. Only dupes and foolish romantics fail to understand this. flw And what kind of people think they will do away with the State? Internationalists like the NWO are one, but they want to replace it with a one world State. Libertarians are another, but they are irrelevent. Anarchists are another, but they are unrealistic. Who is the fool and romantic? Show me where in history social organization gets smaller and goes backwards voluntarily. The State is not the problem. Elites are the problem. Today, Capitalist Elites are the biggest problem. Either they control the State, or we control the State. The Constitution says that we get to control the State. We've been through this before flw. We agree on many things. You persist in the illusion that the State will go away. It will not. But I always had the feeling that you avoid the issue of Capitalism. So let me ask you straight up. Is it good. Or is it bad. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Part One of Two parts. Fitting in to the Scheme of Things. [CTRL] :Buckley backs off; Cliff doesn't. It seems that Joshua 2 wants mor-on Buckley before becoming a believer.
Cliff Hume - Canada.
What a gigantic moron you are Cliff if your understanding of the NWO
leads you to believe that William F. Buckley is a communist.
You don't have a clue pal. Joshua2
There is not a dimes worth of difference between the Right-Wing Socialists
and the Left-Wing Socialists, and the contents of part one and part two of
this post, should be enough to prove this statement to the informed; the
uninformed and misinformed will be left aghast or even angry, but we may
then be able to awaken them to the reality of our present situation.
On page 49 of the 488 page, The Unseen Hand, by A. Ralph Epperson, come
these enlightening words, unfit for Limbaugh "Ditto-heads" and others conned
by the ruse of 'Kommunism', or what Epperson points out as "the "respectable
right" from those the observer would never suspect of being a "closet
communist."
"Take for instance, the thoughts on this subject from two respectable "right
wing Conservatives." One has written: "Congress shall appropriate funds for
social welfare only for the benefit of those states whose per capita income
is below the national average." This writer advocated a newer brand of
Marxism: "From each state according to its ability, to each state according
to its needs." (emphasis added.) This writer advocated that the national
government divide the wealth, taking it from the wealthier states and giving
it to the less productive. Pure Marxism, except the writer involved both the
state and the federal governments rather than just the federal government as
Marx envisioned. This is only expanding Marx one step: the result is the
same. Property is distributed by the government just as before. The shock is
that this new thought came from the pen of William F. Buckley, Jr., hardly a
paragon of Marxism. But notice that Buckley's intent is the same as that of
Marx: to use government to redistribute Consumption and Capital Goods."
On page 206 of Mr. Epperson's book, we also find him peeking in to the roots
of the Order of Skull Bones and its ties to the Bavarian Illuminists. Mr.
Epperson quotes from Ron Rosenbaum's article in the September 1977 issue of
Esquire magazine entitled "The Last Secret of Skull and Bones,". "Mr.
Rosenbaum also mentions the names of this group's more illustrious members.
Included in this list are two names of particular interest to those who
study conspiracies today: William F. Buckley, Jr., the "conservative" who
frequently states that there is "no conspiracy," and George Bush, Ronald
Reagan's Vice President and a member of the Trilateral Commission and the
Council on foreign Relations."
And for mor-on William F. Buckley, Jr., I will take you to Antony C.
Sutton's "America's Secret Establishment - An Introduction to the Order of
Skull Bones". Our counterfeit 'conservative' warrants mention on at least
seven or eight pages.
Taking just page 28 for brevity, and to get on with the task at hand, we
learn that:
"The Law
The major establishment law firms in New york are saturated with The Order.
In Particular, Lord, Day and Lord, dominated by the Lord family already
discussed; also Simpson, Thatcher and Bartlett, especially the thatcher
family; David Polk, Wardwell and Debevoise, Plimpton, the Rockefeller family
law firm.
"Communications
There has been a significant penetration into communications. Some examples:
* Henry Luce of Time-Life is in The Order.
* so is William Buckley ('50) of National Review
* and Alfred Cowles (13), President of Cowles Communication,
Des Moines Register, Minneapolis Star
* and Emmert Bates ('32) of Litton Educational Systems, plus
* Richard Ely Danielson ('07) of Atlantic Monthly
* Russell Wheeler Davenport ('23), Fortune
* John Chipman Farrar ('18), of Farrar, Strauss, the publishers."
There is not much left for the likes of William Buckley to infiltrate and
destroy in the land of the free and the home of the brave, and right at this
moment in time, beginning on the sixth of this month of September, of the
year 2000, these same people and those in cahoots with them, will be holding
a large meeting to plan the forging of our shackles and chains under a New
World Order.
All of these criminals are especially nervous these days and are liable to
try anything to carry their globalist plans to fruition, for they have all
been committing treason, the penalty for which has traditionally been - to
hang by the neck until dead.
I have sent out several letters over the past years asking the American
people to offer amnesty to those who realize they have been tricked, and
surrender themselves to the Sheriffs Departments, or some other branches of
government which may not have yet been taken over by all of these hoods.
These super-rich charlatans who would enslave the entire world, after over
200 years of conniving, cheating, and stealing the people blind, now feel
that they must win or die. If they do win for lack of attention on the part
of the ordinary people, millions of us will die after
Re: [CTRL] Buckley backs off
What a gigantic moron you are Cliff if your understanding of the NWO leads you to believe that William F. Buckley is a communist. You don't have a clue pal. Joshua2 It is childish to think there is any difference between the Corporate Capitalist Elite and the Party Elite. flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Buckley backs off
flw wrote: What a gigantic moron you are Cliff if your understanding of the NWO leads you to believe that William F. Buckley is a communist. You don't have a clue pal. Joshua2 It is childish to think there is any difference between the Corporate Capitalist Elite and the Party Elite. flw There is a huge difference. The difference is in the systems the elites use to get power and wealth. Buckley is a Capitalist elitist. Communism is his nemesis. Stalin was a Communist elitist. Capitalism was his nemesis. Their allegiance to their systems is due to the fact that they are able to extract power and wealth through the systems they operate in. What's the same, is their elitism. The New World Order is Capitalist driven. Let's get this straight. It's purpose is to make the world and its nation states easily accessible to capitalist investors and capitalist corporate exploiters of everyone's natural resources. If anyone thinks this a Commie plot they are idiots or liars. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Buckley backs off
flw wrote: What a gigantic moron you are Cliff if your understanding of the NWO leads you to believe that William F. Buckley is a communist. You don't have a clue pal. Joshua2 It is childish to think there is any difference between the Corporate Capitalist Elite and the Party Elite. flw J2 writes in part: "There is a huge difference. The difference is in the systems the elites use to get power and wealth. Buckley is a Capitalist elitist. Communism is his nemesis. Stalin was a Communist elitist. Capitalism was his nemesis. Their allegiance to their systems is due to the fact that they are able to extract power and wealth through the systems they operate in." "What's the same, is their elitism." You celebrate form over substance. The Captalist / Socialist goal is political and financial control through manipulation and expansion of the police power of the State. There are merely superficial differences regarding the means to this ultimate end. The only difference between a Rockefeller, Hitler, or Stalin is that the tyranny and meglomania is more transparent in the latter two. Picking sides between "capitalism" and "socialism" is like deciding what side of the road you are marching in a two column army...the same army marching in the same direction. Only dupes and foolish romantics fail to understand this. flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] :Buckley backs off
William F. Buckley's of the subversive Council on Foreign Relations is a counterfeit conservative of whom I have not heard much in a long while. He is probably still working diligently, and on the quiet, to build the communist-UN New World Order. Yours truly, Cliff Hume - Canada. At 10:18 PM 8/31/00 +0200, you wrote: Peter Brimelow here: I've just posted, at http://www.vdare.com/buckley.htm , a report on William F. Buckley's recent admission he's abandoned National Review's historic position that maintaining ethnic balance is a legitimate concern of immigration policy. This is interesting to me because it partly explains why I was purged as a Senior Editor in 1998; and to h-bders because it illustrates the extraordinary pressures currently brought to bear on weak and fashion-conscious journalists to avoid race-related issues. (Not that immigration is purely a race-related issue). I am now inclined to agree with Dan Seligman that the publication of The Bell Curve was, in the short run at least, devastating to debate. (Not that there was any alternative.) The VDARE report links to a remarkable article by James Lubsinkas in Jared Taylor's American Renaissance analyzing National Review's changing positions on race over more than four decades. I know there's a concerted effort to place Taylor beyond the pale - Steve won't allow him on hbd in case some of you get upset - but my position is that truth is an absolute defense. And, certainly in this area, as far as I can see, Taylor is truthful. It's worth your time. Now is the time that tries mens' etc etc. yrs.purgedly, pb A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] :Buckley backs off
Cliff Hume wrote: William F. Buckley's of the subversive Council on Foreign Relations is a counterfeit conservative of whom I have not heard much in a long while. He is probably still working diligently, and on the quiet, to build the communist-UN New World Order. Yours truly, Cliff Hume - Canada. What a gigantic moron you are Cliff if your understanding of the NWO leads you to believe that William F. Buckley is a communist. You don't have a clue pal. Joshua2 At 10:18 PM 8/31/00 +0200, you wrote: Peter Brimelow here: I've just posted, at http://www.vdare.com/buckley.htm , a report on William F. Buckley's recent admission he's abandoned National Review's historic position that maintaining ethnic balance is a legitimate concern of immigration policy. This is interesting to me because it partly explains why I was purged as a Senior Editor in 1998; and to h-bders because it illustrates the extraordinary pressures currently brought to bear on weak and fashion-conscious journalists to avoid race-related issues. (Not that immigration is purely a race-related issue). I am now inclined to agree with Dan Seligman that the publication of The Bell Curve was, in the short run at least, devastating to debate. (Not that there was any alternative.) The VDARE report links to a remarkable article by James Lubsinkas in Jared Taylor's American Renaissance analyzing National Review's changing positions on race over more than four decades. I know there's a concerted effort to place Taylor beyond the pale - Steve won't allow him on hbd in case some of you get upset - but my position is that truth is an absolute defense. And, certainly in this area, as far as I can see, Taylor is truthful. It's worth your time. Now is the time that tries mens' etc etc. yrs.purgedly, pb A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] :Buckley backs off
Peter Brimelow here: I've just posted, at http://www.vdare.com/buckley.htm , a report on William F. Buckley's recent admission he's abandoned National Review's historic position that maintaining ethnic balance is a legitimate concern of immigration policy. This is interesting to me because it partly explains why I was purged as a Senior Editor in 1998; and to h-bders because it illustrates the extraordinary pressures currently brought to bear on weak and fashion-conscious journalists to avoid race-related issues. (Not that immigration is purely a race-related issue). I am now inclined to agree with Dan Seligman that the publication of The Bell Curve was, in the short run at least, devastating to debate. (Not that there was any alternative.) The VDARE report links to a remarkable article by James Lubsinkas in Jared Taylor's American Renaissance analyzing National Review's changing positions on race over more than four decades. I know there's a concerted effort to place Taylor beyond the pale - Steve won't allow him on hbd in case some of you get upset - but my position is that truth is an absolute defense. And, certainly in this area, as far as I can see, Taylor is truthful. It's worth your time. Now is the time that tries mens' etc etc. yrs.purgedly, pb A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
