Re: [CTRL] ACLU

2001-07-16 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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<< Just the other day, the ACLU’s Hawaii branch scrapped plans to invite
Justice
 Clarence Thomas to speak. One ACLU board member compared Thomas to Hitler and
 called him "an anti-Christ." >>

I can't imagine anyone thinking of Clarence Thomas as the anti-Christ.  The
man is a conservative toady.  His votes are simply a carbon copy of Rehnquist
and Scalia.  I don't know what whip they use to keep him in line, but the man
is not his own person.  I'm not sure there's a person in there.  Clarence
Thomas is the middle zero in a thousand.   Prudy

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[CTRL] ACLU

2001-07-15 Thread Tito Hammond

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In the Name of "Civil Liberties"
by Joseph Sobran
The American Civil Liberties Union has been in business so long that it’s a
miracle that we have any civil liberties left. Though revered by the media as
the "watchdog of the Bill of Rights," the ACLU has always been devoted to the
destruction of the Constitution. And still is.

Just the other day, the ACLU’s Hawaii branch scrapped plans to invite Justice
Clarence Thomas to speak. One ACLU board member compared Thomas to Hitler and
called him "an anti-Christ."

Such vilification recalls the ACLU’s origins as a fellow-traveling pro-Soviet
organization, when ideological enemies were slandered in the roundest terms,
"fascist" being a favorite epithet. It’s telling that Thomas is likened to
Hitler rather than Stalin: during the 1930s, the ACLU was full of Stalinists,
even on its national board. It reluctantly removed some of them when Stalin
made his shocking pact with Hitler in 1939.

It later apologized for purging itself of such flagrant apostles of
totalitarianism, but it has never explained how men like William Z. Foster,
America’s leading Communist, could be working for Joe Stalin and the Bill of
Rights at the same time. Cynics like Foster were prating about constitutional
rights in America, knowing that in Russia, meanwhile, Stalin was torturing
and murdering millions who enjoyed no civil liberties or legal protections
whatsoever.

As Eugene Lyons wrote in his 1941 book The Red Decade: "The presence of
Stalin’s henchmen on an American organization of this type was an irony that
no amount of sophistry could erase." It’s only ironic if you’re naive enough
to assume that the ACLU has anything to do with liberty.

But the Reds and their fellow-travelers specialized in appropriating
venerable words for their causes and front groups, which were always
"liberal," "progressive," "democratic," and the like. One outfit of American
volunteers who fought for Stalin in the Spanish Civil War was called the
Abraham Lincoln Brigade. The old words and symbols were used to fool the
public, while the leftists were fighting for the very opposite of their
professed aims.

Today the ACLU is laboring to force the Boy Scouts of America to accept
homosexual scoutmasters. What happened to the freedom of association, which
the ACLU has always claimed for Communists? Isn’t Scouting a "valid
alternative lifestyle"? Aren’t private organizations allowed to set their own
standards and live by their own rules? And shouldn’t a group devoted to civil
liberties be fighting against state coercion, rather than for it?

Communism as we once knew it is gone, but not the sort of people who
supported it while it lasted. And they still use the same old semantic
tricks, such as using phrases like "civil liberties" and "civil rights" while
fighting for abridgments of liberty and individual rights.

Though its name appeals to our desire for limited government, the ACLU really
stands for enlarged government power. Always has, and always will. It hates
Clarence Thomas because he sincerely favors what the ACLU itself only
pretends to favor: strictly constitutional government. The hypocrite
recognizes the honest man as his deadly enemy.

And leftists have always used the coarsest smear tactics against their
enemies. Even though Stalin is no longer around to supervise the vilification
campaigns, that hasn’t changed either. Political libel is an abiding legacy
of the Red Decade.

Of course the ACLU has no obligation to welcome Thomas, but then the Boy
Scouts have no obligation to welcome homosexuals. This is so basic you wonder
why there’s any argument about it. But the Stalinist impulse to subjugate
every free institution remains; it neither began nor died with Stalin.

We can be grateful that the crudity of the Red Decade is long past, with its
brutal one-man tyranny backed by adulating hordes of willing servitors. But
today we face a more bland, refined, and subtle version of the desire for an
all-powerful state, in which every institution is politicized.

Using lawyers rather than firing squads, leftist groups like the ACLU have
perfected their techniques. The size and scope of government power are still
increasing, under both Republican and Democratic rule.

If the Scouts can be forced to take on homosexual scoutmasters, why shouldn’t
churches and synagogues be told what kind of clergy they may have? Will the
ACLU draw the line at imposing "civil liberties" on religious institutions?
Why should it?

July 13, 2001

Joe Sobran is a nationally syndicated columnist. He also writes "Washington
Watch" for The Wanderer, a weekly Catholic newspaper, and edits SOBRAN'S, a
monthly newsletter of his essays and columns.

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[CTRL] ACLU Ad Highlights US Government Electronic Surveillance

2001-04-11 Thread William Shannon


     New ACLU Advertisement Highlights Massive 
     U.S. Government Electronic Surveillance 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, April 9, 2001 

NEW YORK--From using a cell phone to sending e-mail over the Internet,
Americans' right to information privacy is in peril, the American Civil
Liberties Union said today in its latest national advertisement.

The ad, appearing in the April 15 issue of The New Yorker and the April 16
issue of The New York Times Magazine, features a large photo of a cell
phone, with the headline: "Now equipped with 3-way calling. You, whoever
you're dialing, and the government."

The statement, the ACLU said, is no exaggeration. Through surveillance
programs with ominous names like "Echelon" and "Carnivore," government
agencies are violating the Fourth Amendment, which was adopted for the
express purpose of protecting Americans from unwarranted government
surveillance.

"The same technological advances that have brought enormous benefits to
humankind also make us more vulnerable than ever before to unwarranted
government snooping," said Barry Steinhardt, Associate Director of the
American Civil Liberties Union. "Through this advertisement, the ACLU
hopes to increase awareness of the privacy threat and mobilize our
lawmakers into action."

The advertisement urges readers to visit a special ACLU website
http://www.aclu.org/privacyrights to learn more about these invasions of
privacy rights and to send a free fax message urging their Members of
Congress to stop the use of Carnivore and to hold hearings on the
secretive Echelon program.

According to the ACLU ad, five nations (the U.S., England, Canada,
Australia and New Zealand) are members of a spy network -- dubbed Echelon
-- that aims to intercept virtually all forms of electronic
communications. Its purpose: worldwide surveillance, not just of other
intelligence agencies, but of civilians.

Meanwhile, through the FBI's Internet wiretap system, dubbed "Carnivore,"
U.S. Internet service providers are forced to attached a black box
directly to their networks -- a powerful computer through which much of
their customers' communications may flow.

"Congress must cage Carnivore and determine if the Echelon program is as
sweeping and intrusive as has been reported," said Gregory T. Nojeim,
Associate Director of the ACLU's Washington National Office. "Congress
must ensure that our government does not intercept Americans'
conversations without a court order. That is why the ACLU has called upon
Congress to embark on a national legislative program to shore up the
information privacy rights of this and future generations."

The creative minds behind the ad series, DeVito/Verdi Advertising, also
developed last year's ACLU advertising series, which included messages on
racial profiling, juvenile justice and the death penalty.

The ACLU advertising campaign will be featured on the organization's
website, http://www.aclu.org, with links to relevant documents and news
about each issue. The next advertisement, on the subject of asset
forfeiture -- police seizure of innocent people's private property -- is
scheduled to run in the April 29 issue of The New York Times Magazine and
in the May 7 issue of The New Yorker.

The ACLU is a nationwide, non-partisan organization dedicated to defending
and preserving the Bill of Rights for all individuals through litigation,
legislation and public education.

Headquartered in New York City, the ACLU has 53 staffed affiliates that
cover every state, more than 300 chapters nationwide, and a legislative
office in Washington, DC. The bulk of the annual $40 million budget is
raised by contributions from members -- 275,000 strong -- and gifts and
grants from other individuals and foundations.


[CTRL] ACLU joints fight over 'vote-buying' Internet site

2000-11-02 Thread mirage

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ACLU joints fight over 'vote-buying' Internet site

Nov. 1, 2000 | 7:30 p.m.

By MIKE ROBINSON Associated Press Writer

CHICAGO (AP) -- A Europe-based Web site claiming to buy and sell votes for the U.S.
presidential election, apparently closed Wednesday under pressure from Chicago election
officials.

But the American Civil Liberties Union said it would fight to keep
vote-auction.com on the
Internet, saying the Web site was constitutionally protected under the First Amendment.

"We think political parody and satire is protected whether on the written page
or the
Internet," ACLU legal director Harvey Grossman said.

The Chicago Board of Election Commissioners, which sued to shut down the site,
said it
was assured by the site's Swiss registrar, CORE Internet Council of Registrar, that
vote-auction.com would be taken off the Web.

The Swiss group sent the board email saying it was acting "since it does
effectively appear
that this domain name is used in connection with unlawful activity."

The message referred to an order that Cook County Circuit Judge Michael Murphy issued
at the request of Chicago election officials, requiring a similar-sounding site,
voteauction.com, or any site like it, to be deleted from the web.

Several attempts to open either site failed Wednesday, though vote-auction.com
had been in
operation a day earlier.

The site was created by James Baumgartner, a student at Rensselaer Polytechnic
Institute in
Troy, N.Y., who said he did it as a parody to "evoke public commentary
concerning an
issue which is at the core of this nation's democracy, whether or not elections
are for sale."

"I want to emphasize that at no time was it my intent to have people buy and
sell votes," he
said in an affidavit the ACLU's Grossman showed reporters.

But Chicago Board of Election Commissioners spokesman Tom Leach said the site only
encouraged people to break the law.

At the request of election officials, Murphy ordered a Pennsylvania-based
registrar, Domain
Bank Inc., to take voteauction.com off the web. Baumgartner sold the domain
rights to
Hans Bernhard of Vienna, Austria, for one Euro, less than a dollar. And Bernhard then
arranged for the Swiss group to establish the domain vote-auction.com.

Bernhard had claimed, without proof, to have been offered $260,000 for more than 21,000
votes. Even if that could be verified, there is no way to prove how the 21,000
votes would
have been cast.

Votes were being offered in blocks by state. For instance, the highest bidder
for Michigan,
a battleground state with 18 electoral votes, could direct 1,429 votes to any
candidate. The
current top bid for those votes was $28,000, the Bernhard site recently claimed.

The ACLU began its fight to keep the site alive by getting the case transferred
out of Cook
County Circuit Court and into federal court.

It now goes before U.S. District Judge William J. Hibbler, the same judge who forced
reluctant Illinois election officials to put the name of Green Party candidate
Ralph Nader on
the Nov. 7 ballot.

--

On the Net:

Voting Integrity Project: http://votingintegrity.org

Federal Election Commission: http://www.fec.gov

Statement from Baumgartner: http://216.10.5.17

AP-CS-11-01-00 2028EST


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[CTRL] ACLU Condemns Police Response

2000-08-17 Thread Oscar

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Published August 15, 2000
villagevoice.com exclusive

ACLU Condemns Police Response
>From Peace to Pellets
by Lenora Todaro


LOS ANGELES, August 15—Dubbed "Human Needs, Not Corporate Greed," a mass march through 
downtown L.A. this evening began peacefully but ended in police violence denounced by 
the American Civil Liberties Union.
Multiculti in face and sound, the march brought more than 10,000 people into the 
sun-drenched streets of Los Angeles. The blocks filled with members of MECHA (Mexican 
Chicano Student Association) calling out "el pueblo unido jamás será vencido" (the 
people united will never be defeated) and Tibetans sounding gongs. The Billionaires 
for Bush or Gore rolled beneath the sheets, performing Bush-and-Gore-in-bed scenes.

Walking and dancing and generally California good-vibing from Pershing Square to the 
Staples Center, protesters cavorted and chanted through largely Central American 
downtown L.A. Sweatshop workers appeared in windows, or behind gates, some showing 
support, some lobbing the occasional sewing spool. From other windows and terraces, 
families waved and cheered.

Firetrucks sprayed water to cool the overheated dancers. Much festivity followed the 
Peace and Justice float, from which riders alternately called out messages in Spanish 
and blared Rage Against the Machine's Battle for Los Angeles, a psych-up for those 
anticipating the band's free concert outside Staples.

At Staples, the good vibe went awry when Black Bloc anarchists confronted police 
through the fence separating the protesters from the convention center.

On a giant video screen, Hillary Clinton thanked the delegates for their warm welcome, 
while outside two anarchists scaled the fence and sat atop it. Other demonstrators 
raised fingers to the helicopters buzzing above. Some 30 minutes after the protesters 
were ordered to disperse, one hour before the permit was to end, police in military 
formation rushed in on horses, firing rubber bullets and pepper spray on peaceful 
protesters still trying to exit.

The National Homeless coalition, which had a permit to march on a nearby sidewalk, was 
caught unawares in the midst of riot police, and reported one of its organizers hit by 
rubber bullets as well.

The police response was condemned by the ACLU, in a press release issued after the 
protests. "Had the police cooperated with the rally organizers, the night could have 
ended calmly and smoothly," the ACLU wrote. "Instead the police response tonight 
created huge risks. When people see batons raised, riot gear, and mounted police 
clearing an area, a tense situation becomes a volatile one."




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[CTRL] ACLU - Defend Your Data What They Do Know Can Hurt You!

1999-09-02 Thread Shane A. Saylor, Eccentric Bard

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  Interesting to say the least.

 http://www.aclu.org/privacy/

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[CTRL] ACLU homo cancer cell spreads to N.J. Boy Scouts

1999-08-25 Thread Bard

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New Jersey High Court Says Ban on
Gays in Boy Scouts Must Go
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, August 4, 1999

TRENTON, NJ -- In a unanimous decision, the New Jersey Supreme Court today
said that the Boy Scouts of America's practice of excluding or dismissing a
member solely on the basis of sexual orientation is illegal under the
state's anti-discrimination law. The Court also rejected the Scouts' claim
that the First Amendment gives them the right to discriminate.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which filed a friend-of-the-court brief
in the case, hailed the decision as a tremendous victory for lesbian and gay
rights. The ruling upholds a March 1998 state appeals court decision that
prohibited the Boy Scouts from banning gay members.

"This decision debunks the notion that just because someone is gay means he
or she is unfit to serve in the Boy Scouts or any other civic group for that
matter," said Lenora Lapidus, Legal Director of the ACLU of New Jersey. "The
Court did the right thing in denying the Scouts' claim that the First
Amendment gives them the right to discriminate. People have the right to
believe what they want, but that is no more a justification for
discrimination now than it was in the South 40 years ago."

The case arose in 1990 after James Dale, a Matawan assistant Scoutmaster,
was ousted from the Boy Scouts when leaders discovered he was gay. Prior to
his expulsion, Dale, an Eagle Scout, had risen successfully through the
ranks and earned 30 merit badges and other awards during his 12 years in the
organization.

"Goverments and local charities have been increasingly unwilling to fund and
sponsor Scout programs because the Scouts insist on discriminating," said
Matthew Coles, Director of the ACLU's National Lesbian and Gay Rights
Project. "This decision is bound to accellerate the trend against anti-gay
policies."

The court ruled that because the Boy Scouts of America are "places of public
accommodation" that "emphasize open membership," they must adhere to New
Jersey's anti-discrimination law and cannot deny any person "accommodations,
advantages, facilities and privileges" because of sexual orientation.

While the Boy Scouts vowed to appeal today's ruling to the U.S. Supreme
Court, the ACLU's Coles expressed doubt that they would hear the case.

"The Court rejected a very similar argument that the United States Jaycees,
a business association, made to justify excluding women," Coles said. "That
was 15 years ago, and the Court ruled unanimously. I doubt they would
revisit the issue now."

Today is not the first time the ACLU has taken legal action to halt unfair
practices of the Boy Scouts. In May 1998, the ACLU blocked an Oregon school
district from actively recruiting Cub Scouts since they are required by the
Boy Scouts of America to refuse membership to boys who do not "profess a
belief in God, recognize an obligation to God and declare a duty to God."

For similar reasons, this past April, the ACLU sued to end government
sponsorship of Boy Scout programs in Illinois because they violated the
constitutional requirement of separation of church and state. The ACLU has
been involved in other challenges to Boy Scout bans in California and
Washington, DC.
http://www.aclu.org/news/1999/n080499c.html

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[CTRL] ACLU Newsfeed (fwd)

1999-06-30 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

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Subject: 06-30-99 -- ACLU Newsfeed: Supreme Court Term Wrapup, More!



 IN THE ACLU NEWSROOM

   **The Latest News Can Always Be Found At:**
  http://www.aclu.org/news/pressind.html

* Ford Foundation Gives $7 Million to
   ACLU Endowment Campaign

* ACLU Savors Supreme Court Victories,
   but Sees 'Uncertain' Future for Civil Liberties

* Campaign to Amend Constitution Loses Ground
   Despite Multi-Million Dollar Campaign

* ACLU Cautions Senate to Protect
   Both Civil Rights and Religious Liberty

* Employment Protection Bill Reintroduced;
   Measure would Protect Gays in the Workplace

* ACLU Challenges Michigan Cyber-Censorship Law,
   Citing Commerce Clause and Free Speech Rights

* List of other recent ACLU Press Releases

-

 Ford Foundation Gives $7 Million to
 ACLU Endowment Campaign

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, June 28, 1999

NEW YORK--In a display of substantial confidence in and dedication to
key areas of
the American Civil Liberties Union's program, the Ford Foundation has
contributed $7
million to its endowment fund, the Trust for the Bill of Rights, the
largest gift the ACLU has received to date.

The $7 million from the Foundation, together with other significant
commitments, has
enabled the ACLU to surpass its initial goal of raising $25 million for
its first ever
endowment six months ahead of schedule.

The Foundation said that the contribution is the second largest
endowment gift it has
given in the past decade and among the largest ever in its history of
giving.

"The Ford Foundation has long supported the ACLU's essential role in
protecting
individual rights and fighting discrimination," said Susan Berresford,
the Foundation's
President. "This gift will help ensure that future generations will
continue to benefit from the ACLU's important work."

As a litigant in virtually every important Supreme Court case involving
civil liberties, the ACLU has been central to the development of
democratic ideals in America. But the
fight, according to Ira Glasser, Executive Director of the national
ACLU, is far from
over.

"The ACLU has had no better partner and friend than the Ford
Foundation," Glasser
said. "The Trust for the Bill of Rights was created to allow us to
continue our defense of the Bill of Rights, eradicate invidious
discrimination and protect individual civil liberties into the next
century. It is fitting that the largest single gift to this effort, and
in fact the largest gift ever to the ACLU, should come from Ford."

The gift will continue to support the ACLU's work on behalf of
reproductive rights,
voting rights and against discrimination based on race, gender, national
origin or
immigration status.

Glasser noted that the endowment gift would not preclude the ACLU from
applying for other grants from the Foundation in the future.

In making its gift, the Ford Foundation has issued a challenge to the
ACLU and its
supporters to raise $2 for each $1 donated by the Foundation. With the
fulfillment of
this $14 million challenge and completion of a "second phase" campaign,
the Trust will total more than $40 million.

"This is an unprecedented challenge and opportunity for us," said
Glasser. "When we
first explored the possibility of building a $25 million endowment, we
weren't even sure it could be done. Now the Ford Foundation has not only
ensured that we will meet our goal, but is challenging us to raise our
sights even higher."

At the time the ACLU publicly launched its endowment campaign in May
1997, it had
already raised more than $10 million towards its December 1999 goal of
$25 million.

The Ford Foundation, established in 1936, is a private, nonprofit
institution that serves
as a resource for innovative people and institutions worldwide. Its
goals are to
strengthen democratic values, reduce poverty and injustice, promote
international
cooperation, and advance human achievement.

Headquartered in New York City, the ACLU has 53 staffed affiliates in
major cities,
more than 300 chapters nationwide, and a legislative office in
Washington, D.C. The
ACLU Foundation (ACLUF) is the national tax-deductible, 501(c)(3) arm of
the
ACLU. Its combined annual budget is approximately $45 million.

The bulk of the annual budget is raised by contributions from individual
members --
275,000 strong -- plus grants from foundations. Eighty percent of the
budget directly
supports litigation, legislation and public education programs. Fund
raising costs average twelve percent of total expenses, and management
and administration account for an additional 8 percent. This level of
efficiency consistently ranks the ACLU and ACLUF among the nation's
bestrewn charitable organizations, with high approval ratings

Re: [CTRL] ACLU - Defend Your Data: What They Do Know Can Hurt You!

1999-03-13 Thread Colleen Jones

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Have you ever seen some of these harmless looking questionnaires, where
if you respond you will receive samples, coupons, etc., and so on?

If you answer all of the questions, you can determine if the person has
heart problems,  diabetes, etc., just from the medication they take.
You know the books they like to read, and the music preferred.  YOu know
if they like sports or gardening, or whether they have a scientific
mind.  You know what kind of aspirin they use, nd how often which is
indicative of one with migraines, just hooked on aspirin, or with a
serious disorder - and I love in particular, the questions are what an
insurance company would ask prior to giving you a policy.

And lo and behold -you are suddenly deluged with mail from insurance
companies (one or two in particular), and the entire of your interests,
is in your mailbox each day.and someone somewhere, knows just who
and what you are.

Years ago, in the early 70 period, I was sent a 20 page questionairre
being conducted at a University with similar quesions, about clothes I
liked - and I spent considerable time answering each question.at the
very end, they asked "What do you do for a liviing'and I put "I am a
Hooker..", sealed it, and mailed it.
Who in their right mind would fill out a report such as that, without
question.
Today, you tell it all to Jerry Springer, make a grade-A full of
yourself, and get paid accordingly.

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[CTRL] ACLU - Defend Your Data: What They Do Know Can Hurt You!

1999-03-13 Thread Peter Vit

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/

Title: ACLU - Defend Your Data: What They Do Know Can Hurt You!




















































































   

ACLU Calls for Hearings on Government Databases

WASHINGTON -- Following revelations that the U.S. Secret Service funded a private company's efforts

  to develop a national database of driver's license photographs, the American Civil Liberties Union

  today called on the government to protect -- not prostitute -- Americans' privacy.

 "The biggest 'identity crime' taking place right now is the government masquerading as our privacy

  protectors," said Laura W. Murphy, Director of the ACLU's Washington National Office. (more)



Take Action Now - send your legislators a free fax!



Help Spread the Word!  Add Our Icon To Your Site! or Send a Postcard to Friends and Colleagues















Your right to privacy and that of all citizens is under unprecedented assault ...



. . . from wholesale attacks from overly zealous law enforcement officials determined to have access to telephone conversation, e-mail or other electronic communication you transmit and . . .

. . . from private sector interests that want access to intimate information about you, including your medical records, either for commercial purposes, or to challenge your insurance eligibility or employment suitability.



For the past several years the ACLU has been defending our most fundamental right to privacy.  But, if we are to succeed in stopping the assault on our privacy rights, we need the involvement of ordinary citizens.



That is why the ACLU has launched our Defend Your Data Campaign.  This special web-based campaign on privacy rights is designed to alert citizens to the fact that the government and the private sector are in the process of carrying out the most frightening and pervasive invasion of personal privacy in our nation's history.



And what they do know, can indeed


hurt you. Consider the following examples:



In Maryland, a banker accessed medical records to find people diagnosed with cancer. Once he identified them, the bank called in their loans.

According to a recent University of Illinois survey, 35 percent of Fortune 500 companies check medical records before they hire or promote.

A 1997 survey by the American Management Association found that as many as 10 percent of 6,000 companies used genetic testing for employment purposes. And the Council for Responsible Genetics, an advocacy group in Massachusetts, has documented hundreds of cases in which healthy people have been denied insurance or a job based on genetic "predictions."





So please take a moment to explore this site by following the links to the left and below and join us in our battle to protect our right to privacy by:



completing the ACLU's privacy survey; and

joining the ACLU today





Your participation in this important campaign will help put us firmly on the road to taking back our right to privacy.

























































Re: [CTRL] ACLU

1999-02-04 Thread Teo One Thousand

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In a message dated 2/4/99 5:34:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<<   The constitution states:
 Congress (bs) shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion
 OR  PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF.
  >>
I think I made it clear in my post that I agree with you here, there IS NO
separation of church and state in the Constitution.  It is how the courts have
interpreted a doctrine.  They have taken the easy way out by separating church
and state so as NOT to be all inclusive.  It is not necessarily a good thing.
Additionally, I think, and I am in no way trying to defend the ACLU, that they
may only tackle cases they have a chance of winning, thus they would not sue
the Congress for it's prayers, though they are probably against it.  We still
have "In God We Trust" on our money, even though many would not agree with the
sentiment.
Teo1000

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[CTRL] ACLU

1999-02-04 Thread J FROST

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I am also not going to be drawn into a debate about the merits of
the ACLU's position on a variety of matters because they, like all
organizations, have an agenda to promote.  I would say that they
definitely do
display hypocrisy about some issues, but it does not negate the
tremendous
good that they do lobbying congress for protection of civil liberties,
preserving privacy rights, and preserving property rights
 ***

The aclu are nothing but a bunch of lawyers so it has a turd base.

Lawyers get rich by keeping conflicts going between people, so
there is nothing about morality.
Preserve liberties.. from who but a bunch of other lawyers.

I do not in the least push religion in any schools. I only point out
their corruption to show that the aclu are a bunch of punks doing
the bidding of the party punks.

 The constitution states:
Congress (bs) shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion
OR  PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF.

I don't ask you to defend them (I like lots of the stuff you write)
I only ask you to pose the question why
#1  They lie about "separation between church & state" being
   in the constitution.
#2  It is the aclu who takes away the constitutional right/liberty when
  they PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION.

The word "church" is no where in the constitution, the word is religion.

The government has declared hindu, humanism and even witch craft to be
tax exempt religions.
It is ONLY the christian brand of religion that is banned in schools.

They teach yoga, they have libraries full of books on witch craft,
situation ethics is humanism, "social studies" is an integration of
humanism,
It would be ok to have a halloween party and dress up like some ghost,
vampire or witch, but if some kid dressed up like a bible character his
ass would be in a sling.

The aclu is just a good cop / bad cop game in which a bunch of lawyers
cause conflict so they can get rich on people's fears and outrage.
The aclu does not fight for all people's rights, they are representatives
of corrupt politicians and perverts while they fight to destroy the
rights
of their most hated christians.

They do a lot of good? Look in any prison, there are thousands of
criminials who have helped others and have done a lot of good.
One is not manifest to be evil because the good they do but by
their evil.
The aclu is just a group of politician underground puppets.

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Re: [CTRL] ACLU website

1999-02-03 Thread Teo One Thousand

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In a message dated 2/3/99 9:10:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<< I can't go to any website but ask your aclu buddies This >>

Whoa there fella'!  I am not a member of the ACLU, but am considering
membership.  I am also not going to be drawn into a debate about the merits of
the ACLU's position on a variety of matters because they, like all
organizations, have an agenda to promote.  I would say that they definitely do
display hypocrisy about some issues, but it does not negate the tremendous
good that they do lobbying congress for protection of civil liberties,
preserving privacy rights, and preserving property rights, which are all
suffering under more governmental regulation.  They also do good in filing law
suits against organizations and individuals for violating some aspects of the
constitution.  I would venture to say that the case like you cite are
specifically promoted by their detractors in order to establish the (false)
premise that they are JUST in the business of suing people who pray or mention
God in school (which I'm not against since the Constitution does not prohibit
such).  So, in closing, the ACLU are not "my buddies", and yes, I do believe
they have an agenda, and no, I don't support everything they do, BUT they are
doing some good things and I wanted to give people a resource for research as
well as a tool to effect change in areas that they are concerned about.
So, take it easy would you?
Teo1000

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[CTRL] ACLU website

1999-02-03 Thread J FROST

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***.

One writes:

For those who do not belong to the ACLU or are unfamiliar with their
website
or what they do let me urge you to visit their website.  There you can
sign up
to become a member of the organization, get on their e-mail alert list
and do
other things.
  ***

I can't go to any website but ask your aclu buddies This
  ***
Here in Ohio when we has a prison riot, you should
have seen the govoner IN HIS OFFICE, IN OFFICIAL
CAPACITY PARYING AND USING GOD !

Just as the senate began to start the impeachment
hoax, IN THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY ... IN A PUBLIC
BUILDING, how they prayed to God and used the bible
to lay their hand on.

The next time you see the aclu going after some school for the use of
religion,
send them this post and ask the aclu why they have not filed law suits
against
politicians who integrate religion in the white house.
=

Politicians
Like clinton, they will carry their bibles in front of the cameras to get
support of Christians sunday morning and set on their desk with their
bibles while they are getting oral sex on the same Sunday night.
  ***
 God / Prayer / Scriptures on government property?

If school teachers or kids dare speak anything about God, the
bible or prayer .. if they dare quote the bible or even sing a
christmas song ...
THE ACLU WILL SLAP A LAW SUITE ON THEIR ASS!

But how is it John Glenn can quote the scriptures in official
capacity on the space shuttle?
   ***

How is it that Clinton can sit in the oval office and talk about
God and payer?
   ***

How is it that Clinton can use thousands of tax dollars to go to
a black church just before an election to campaign for his
politician buddies in a church?

You can't talk about God or prayer in school or on public
property? Then where in the hell is the aclu when it comes to
what goes on in the white house ... when it comes to politicians
integrating religion into the government?
   ***

===
Separation between church and state right in the United States Congress

The words of PUBLIC OFFICIALS on PUBLIC PROPERTY
in THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY ... !
===

[ APPLAUSE ] AND I PRAY, WITH ALL MY HEART, THAT HE WILL
RECONSIDER THIS DECISION.

AMONG OTHER THINGS, HE TOOK AN OATH TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE
WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

AND I PRAY THAT THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IN THIS CONGRESS
WILL FIND COMMON GROUND AND DO THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS
GREAT AND PROSPEROUS LAND DURING THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

BUT EVEN AS MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ACROSS OUR COUNTRY ARE
HOPING FOR A QUICK END TO THIS CONFLICT, EVEN AS WE ARE PRAYING FOR
THE SAFETY OF OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS, MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES
ARE OBSESSED WITH A DIFFERENT TARGET.

BUT SOMETHING IS GOING ON REPEATEDLY THAT HAS TO BE STOPPED AND
THAT IS A CONFUSION BETWEEN PRIVATE ACTS OF INFIDELITY AND PUBLIC
ACTS, WHEREAS A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
AND ASK GOD TO WITNESS TO THE TRUTH OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

DESPITE HIS IMPEACHMENT YESTERDAY, THE PRESIDENT IS DETERMINED TO
PRESS ON, IGNORING A HECKLER WHO WAITED AT THE CHURCH DOOR TO TELL
THE PRESIDENT, "YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE PRESIDENCY.

DURING JOHN ADAMS' SECOND NIGHT IN THE WHITE HOUSE, HE WROTE THESE
WORDS: "I PRAY HEAVEN TO BESTOW THE BEST OF BLESSINGS THIS HOUSE
AND ALL THAT SHALL HERE AFTER INHABIT IT.

FOR IT IS WRITTEN, MR. SPEAKER, JUDGE NOT AND YE SHALL NOT BE
JUDGED.

GOD BLESS AMERICA.

GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

GOD HELP AMERICA!

GOD HELP OUR COUNTRY!

GOD HELP THE PEOPLE WHOSE STATESMEN WALK YOUR ROAD.

GOD HELP THE PEOPLE WHOSE STATESMEN WALK YOUR ROAD.

HE CARRIES A BIBLE WITH HIM ALL THE TIME.

HE TOLD US HE HAD BEEN IN THE OVAL OFFICE WITH THE PRESIDENT THEY
PRAYED TOGETHER.

I HAVE YET TO SEE ONE NEWSCAST ANYWHERE IN IT OR STARTED WITH IT
THAT SHOWS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SHOWING CONTRITION
AND SAYS, I HAVE SINNED, AND I ASK GOD'S FORGIVENESS.

I PRAY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WILL BE ABLE TO DO THE
RIGHT THING IN THE DAYS AND WEEKS AND MONTHS TO COME.

I PRAY TODAY THAT YOU WILL OPEN UP THIS PEOPLE'S HOUSE AND LET
THE PEOPLE'S VOICE COME IN AND LET FAIRNESS REIGN!

I THINK OF CHARACTER IN ONE OF TOLSTOY'S NOVELS, HE ASKED GOD IF
HE COULDN'T BE USEFUL IN WIPING SOME THING UP OR FILLING A HOLE OR
BEING A BAD EXAMPLE.

IF IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO SAY I RAISE MY RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR
BY THE ALMIGHTY GOD THE TESTIMONY I'VE I'M ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE
TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, IF IT'S SOLEMN
ENOUGH FOR TH, IT'S SOLEMN ENOUGH TO ENFORCE.

IN GOD'S NAME, DO NOT TEAR APART THIS HOUSE AND THIS NATION WITH
A LO

[CTRL] ACLU website

1999-02-03 Thread Teo One Thousand

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For those who do not belong to the ACLU or are unfamiliar with their website
or what they do let me urge you to visit their website.  There you can sign up
to become a member of the organization, get on their e-mail alert list and do
other things.  The best feature of their website is a free fax service that
will send a fax and e-mail to your representative and senator on issues of
importance.  I have just sent some messages opposing mandatory filtering
software on library computers and on asset forfeiture.  It is free and you
don't have to be a member, check it out.
http://www.aclu.org/index.html

Teo1000

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