Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war]
l. Who are you designating as "the rich"? 2. How many is "many"? 3. Who are these "many"? 4. What form(s) did the tax relief take? I asked you the following: "Also, so what if rich people or if coporations got tax relief? What is wrong with that?" Foxter - Original Message - From: Steve To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war] -Caveat Lector-If you don't have time to keep up with current events in politics, I don't havetime to do your research for you? Where have you been in the last fewmonths?SteveOn 18 Sep 01, at 23:37, foxter wrote:> I don't find objective indication/evidence that> "Many of the rich got millions in tax relief" and feel this is an irresponsible statement. If you have objective evidence, please> provide it. Also, so what if rich people or if coporations got tax relief? What is wrong with that?Steve Wingate, WebmasterANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comwww.ctrl.orghttp://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org>DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives'>http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrlhttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl>To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war]
-Caveat Lector- If you don't have time to keep up with current events in politics, I don't have time to do your research for you? Where have you been in the last few months? Steve On 18 Sep 01, at 23:37, foxter wrote: > I don't find objective indication/evidence that > "Many of the rich got millions in tax relief" and feel this is an irresponsible >statement. If you have objective evidence, please > provide it. Also, so what if rich people or if coporations got tax relief? What is >wrong with that? Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war]
To answer your question, I do not see any "treachery" in Bush so I can't answer you accurately. What is his "treachery"? Thanks for answering my questions. I don't agree with most of what you say. I don't find objective indication/evidence that "Many of the rich got millions in tax relief" and feel this is an irresponsible statement. If you have objective evidence, please provide it. Also, so what if rich people or if coporations got tax relief? What is wrong with that? - Original Message - From: Steve To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war] -Caveat Lector-On 18 Sep 01, at 10:14, foxter wrote:> First.> What is your evidence to say Bush "put us in an 'even worse' position financially"? Seems like just your opinion to me, without> facts.Before the tax cut and economic slowdown, we had a surplus. A week agowe were going to have to borrow 9 Billion dollars from the social securityfund. Now we have had to spend $40 Billion more due to the attack and weare going to war. What more evidence do you need (unless you think deficitspending is good for the country.) It used to be the Republicans were callingfor the 'evil Democrats' to balance the budget. Not anymore. They are the bigspenders now, including their push for the New Star Wars, which will beextremely costly.>> Second.> What is your evidence to insinuate that Bush was not as "concerned with foreign affairs" and "cooperating with our allies"?That was certainly the general consenus. He is for breaking the ABM treaty,breaking the ban on underground nuclear tests, and against the Kyotoprotocol, all actions which our allies strongly oppose.>> Third.> What is your evidence that Bush is concerned with getting a tax cut for the rich? I just got my tax refund in the mail, did not> know I was rich.The vast majority of the tax cut went to the rich. You got your little $300 check,an advance subtracted from your 2001 refund, enough for a couple of newtires or maybe a golf club, so you're quite happy! Many of the rich got millionsin tax relief. All of us will continue to pay huge interest payments on themassive debt which was created by Reagans stupid tax cut, a legacy thatBush seems quite content to leave us with as well.No, I do not think much of Bush, even if we are going to war. Why should I likehim and support his treachery? Why do you?SteveSteveSteve Wingate, WebmasterANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comwww.ctrl.orghttp://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org>DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives'>http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrlhttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl>To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war]
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On 18 Sep 01, at 11:14, Don Capps wrote:
> Don here...just checking in from Right Wing Nationalist Central.
>
> Sorry to burst your bubble here...but just what "treachery" are you
> referring to? Documentation please? Or is that too much to ask of you?
I think the facts speak for themselves. Unilaterally abrogating treaties against
the advice of our allies is foolish. Also I forgot to mention Bush's refusal to
meet with Arafat and encourage Mideast peace negotiations, foolishly
distancing the US from the entire matter and thereby further angering the
terrorists while the killing continued.
I guess maybe you don't find that to be treachery, but I believe Bush is at least
partially responsible for the is horrible attack.
Steve
I wrote:
> > That was certainly the general consenus. He is for breaking the ABM
> treaty, breaking the ban on underground nuclear tests, and against the
Kyoto
> protocol, all actions which our allies strongly oppose. {snip} No, I do not
> think much of Bush, even if we are going to war. Why should I like him and
> support his treachery? Why do you?
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war]
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From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> That was certainly the general consenus. He is for breaking the ABM
treaty, breaking the ban on underground nuclear tests, and against the Kyoto
protocol, all actions which our allies strongly oppose. {snip} No, I do not
think much of Bush, even if we are going to war. Why should I like him and
support his treachery? Why do you?
Don here...just checking in from Right Wing Nationalist Central.
Sorry to burst your bubble here...but just what "treachery" are you
referring to? Documentation please? Or is that too much to ask of you?
Now, let's turn from the vague generalities to the specifics of your post.
For one thing, let's take a closer look at the Kyoto Protocol, of which you
apparently approve...
When George W. Bush made his first trip to Europe as President in June, the
anti-Bush U.S. media, the anti-U.S. European socialists, and the anti-growth
green parties were all lying in wait to grab headlines at his expense. They
zeroed in on Bush's withdrawal from further negotiations on the Kyoto
Protocol, also known as the Global Warming Treaty.
President Bush deserves an "A" from Americans for his five-nation European
tour because he stood firm on his Kyoto decision despite daily hammering
from big media in the United States to try to get him to change his mind.
Let's have a reality check about Kyoto.
The worldwide push for this fraudulent treaty got off the ground at the 1992
UN Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, which produced several international
agreements including the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate
Change. This called on countries to take "voluntary actions" to reduce
greenhouse gas emissions (principally carbon dioxide, CO2) to their 1990
levels. This agreement was, unfortunately, signed by President George Bush I
and ratified by the Senate in 1992.
The first lesson we should learn from this is the folly of signing UN
treaties that are called voluntary. Any treaty called voluntary will surely
morph into Other Countries' Great Expectations, which in turn will morph
into demands by foreigners abroad and globalists at home that we meet our
alleged "obligations."
Buried in the treaty's verbiage was this sentence: "The developed country
parties should take the lead in combating climate change and the adverse
effects thereof." Now the UN propagandists are asserting that this alleged
"international law" binds the United States not only to actually do what was
called "voluntary" (dramatically reduce our CO2 emissions), but to do it
immediately regardless of when, if ever, other countries do anything to
conform to the treaty's goals.
UN bureaucrats and Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) have been working
for years to turn this voluntary Rio agreement into a legally binding
agreement called the Global Warming Treaty. The new treaty was agreed to by
Vice President Al Gore in Kyoto, Japan in 1997 and signed in New York in
1998. Ever since, it's been called the Kyoto Protocol. Fortunately, treaties
do not bind the United States unless ratified by two-thirds of the Senate.
The Kyoto Protocol would require the United States to reduce our greenhouse
gas emissions to 7% below our 1990 levels, a tremendous reduction in our
energy consumption (our use of electricity, gas, oil, and gasoline) and
therefore in our standard of living. However, Kyoto would impose no
limitations on 130 developing nations, including China (the world's second
largest emitter of greenhouse gases), India, Mexico and Brazil, and would
allow Europeans to evade reductions by averaging among the European Union
(EU) countries.
Kyoto is so manifestly unfair to the United States that the U.S. Senate went
on record against it in 1997 by passing the Byrd-Hagel Resolution 95-0 to
warn our President that the treaty would not be ratified. President Bush is
obviously reflecting American views when he withdrew from negotiations.
Who is behind Kyoto?
Kyoto is an issue that brings together many different anti-American
interests, all of which enjoy wide access to the media.
The anti-growth socialists, particularly the European countries that have
moved left in recent years. The socialist mindset opposes economic growth
and instead welcomes a scarcity of resources so that big government can
apportion or ration the scarce resources. The private enterprise system, on
the other hand, produces abundance so that a rising tide lifts all boats. It
is clear that the Kyoto restrictions would restrict economic growth.
The foreign dictators in the United Nations who look upon the UN as a forum
where they can demand that the United States redistribute our wealth to
them. Our foreign aid never gets to the poor people who need it; it is
gobbled up by the ruling tyrants.
The cult of radical environmentalists who believe we should subordinate our
standard of living to the supremacy of global ecology or, as Al Gore said in
the title of his book, force us to put "Earth in the Balance." These gr
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war]
-Caveat Lector- On 18 Sep 01, at 10:14, foxter wrote: > First. > What is your evidence to say Bush "put us in an 'even worse' position financially"? >Seems like just your opinion to me, without > facts. Before the tax cut and economic slowdown, we had a surplus. A week ago we were going to have to borrow 9 Billion dollars from the social security fund. Now we have had to spend $40 Billion more due to the attack and we are going to war. What more evidence do you need (unless you think deficit spending is good for the country.) It used to be the Republicans were calling for the 'evil Democrats' to balance the budget. Not anymore. They are the big spenders now, including their push for the New Star Wars, which will be extremely costly. > > Second. > What is your evidence to insinuate that Bush was not as "concerned with foreign >affairs" and "cooperating with our allies"? That was certainly the general consenus. He is for breaking the ABM treaty, breaking the ban on underground nuclear tests, and against the Kyoto protocol, all actions which our allies strongly oppose. > > Third. > What is your evidence that Bush is concerned with getting a tax cut for the rich? >I just got my tax refund in the mail, did not > know I was rich. The vast majority of the tax cut went to the rich. You got your little $300 check, an advance subtracted from your 2001 refund, enough for a couple of new tires or maybe a golf club, so you're quite happy! Many of the rich got millions in tax relief. All of us will continue to pay huge interest payments on the massive debt which was created by Reagans stupid tax cut, a legacy that Bush seems quite content to leave us with as well. No, I do not think much of Bush, even if we are going to war. Why should I like him and support his treachery? Why do you? Steve Steve Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Anti-Bush Attacks [was Bush will get us into a war]
First. What is your evidence to say Bush "put us in an 'even worse' position financially"? Seems like just your opinion to me, without facts. Second. What is your evidence to insinuate that Bush was not as "concerned with foreign affairs" and "cooperating with our allies"? Third. What is your evidence that Bush is concerned with getting a tax cut for the rich? I just got my tax refund in the mail, did not know I was rich. If you cannot answer these questions I can hardly take what you say seriously. I assume you want to be taken seriously? - Original Message - From: Steve To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush will get us into a war! -Caveat Lector-On 18 Sep 01, at 5:53, tnohava wrote:> So what do we do...Bush should have been more concerned with foreign affairs and cooperatingwith our allies including listening to the advise of Russia regarding terrorismthreats, rather than getting the tax cut for the rich, which has put us in an evenworse position financially, with a return to deficit spending and/or borrowingfrom the social security and medicare funds.SteveSteve Wingate, WebmasterANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comwww.ctrl.orghttp://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org>DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives'>http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrlhttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl>To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
