Re: [CTRL] Back Pay Back?
-Caveat Lector- I doubt that people who have been on this list for any length of time trust June's intuition on the Saba multiple personality matter. I know I don't. One of these days, she'll probably get one right, just on the probability alone. Samantha In a message dated 2/7/01 12:04:06 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > and on a related subject- i am sure i care a lot more than the rest of you- > but june's insinuation that i am one of saba'a multiple personalities is > unkind in the extreme. that is the difficult thing about slander- the onus > is on the slandered to contest the claim, practically if not legally. > so if anyone read junes comment and actually gives a toss (i am sure no-one > cares, except anyone that ever agreed with me about something) about my > integrity then each time they read one of my mails they will be dismissing > it as saba's drivel and not my own (higher quality of course) drivel. ;) > thanks, june, for that. cause if anyne did give a toss- then there doesn't > seem anyway to rectify it. > so i am (even more) fucked on the list. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Back Pay Back?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Back Pay Back? > I still remember what American was like when I was young - no locked > doors, white people did not steal as the blacks do, just because they > were poor. you are as white trash as they come saba- your tone betrays your breeding. it is all very well "knowing" that saba is a fucking loon when she posts this hatemongering shit but, kris, what about the newbies to the list- how do they know which context to take her in? eccentric is cool- but hate fuels hate. and on a related subject- i am sure i care a lot more than the rest of you- but june's insinuation that i am one of saba'a multiple personalities is unkind in the extreme. that is the difficult thing about slander- the onus is on the slandered to contest the claim, practically if not legally. so if anyone read junes comment and actually gives a toss (i am sure no-one cares, except anyone that ever agreed with me about something) about my integrity then each time they read one of my mails they will be dismissing it as saba's drivel and not my own (higher quality of course) drivel. ;) thanks, june, for that. cause if anyne did give a toss- then there doesn't seem anyway to rectify it. so i am (even more) fucked on the list. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Back Pay Back?
-Caveat Lector- Well I say this, only the low life whites ever mixed with the low live slave blacks, for none of my ancestors would have touched a slave with a ten foot pole. Reparations? Fine with me on condition anyone receiving same use a portion thereof, to return to Africa - keeping in mind, these "slaves" were of no value to the Africans who sold them to Jewish primarily, slave ship owners. I still remember what American was like when I was young - no locked doors, white people did not steal as the blacks do, just because they were poor.look at the ghettos and then look at Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, two of the most evil disgusting men in America - threatening to turn loose animals in streets if Bush won? No wonder, a little investigation into this fraud and you will see a lot of these self ordained preachers on he run and in the slammer. So Africa now wants the white people to stay - their own newspapers speak of othe "brain drain" from south Africa where the white farmers were mudered - 1 in 3 black men in American, the "gays" as they prefer to call themselves, I call them sodomists - oh 1 in 3 have Aids..Africa is so infested with disease there will be nothing of value in a few years, exception please - diamonds only are forever? Reparations for blacks - pardon again, negros? Now do you know what the UN Secretary and Castro were doing during the weeks the little redherring Elian was in our country - savied by dolphins? Excuse for Clinton and Castro to mee to discuss briinging in more immigrants, only those of "color" of course, into this country and it has begun. 1 in 3 black male queers has AIDShow nice how many on welfare. But don't hand me that crap about all these illegitimate blacks having white fathers - today you see the same stories re Thomas Jefferson being floated about when DNA proved this was a lie.. So all these "lust children"..no doubt many white women were raped by blacks for there was an old story about one of my great Uncles who was in on a lynching of a negro who had raped this woman - and believe me they all were proud of knowing nothing, when the Yankee carpet baggers did the investigations. Reparations? Sure, when do I sue them for the attempted murder of America and those who sold them and the slave ship owners who brought these people that NOBODY wanted to our shores. I keep thinking of the kid who murdered the little white girl age 6 and we were told to hug him.try a boa constrictor. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Back Pay Back?
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.newsmax.com/cgi-bin/printer_friendly.pl >>This is an issue that should be directed to those who initiated the practice in the first place. A<>E<>R << }}>Begin Popularity of Reparations for Slavery Growing NewsMax.com Wires Tuesday, Feb. 6, 2001 CHICAGO (UPI) The sign in front of Christ Apostolic Church reads: "Black Reparations Now." The church is in Woodlawn, a neighborhood on the South Side where you don't want to be after the sun sets. Woodlawn is littered by vacant lots and pockets of poverty, crime, unemployment and despair decades after the hopeful optimism of the '60s civil rights era faded into broken dreams in this part of town. "It's starting here," said Dr. Leon Finney, national co-chair of the National Reparations Convention, which met Feb. 1-4 at the McCormick Place Exposition Center. The veteran community organizer and other leaders want to see the reparations issue become more mainstream. "This movement is a worldwide movement. It is not a new movement. This is an old movement. It is as old as slavery," Finney said. Chicago Alderman Dorothy Tillman, organizer of the weekend convention, said reparations for slavery is the movement of the millennium. Tillman, who marched with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., sponsored City Council hearings last year that led Chicago in May to pass a resolution supporting reparations for the descendants of black slaves. Mayor Richard M. Dal ey gave the issue his support. "It's not becoming a movement. It is a movement," Tillman told United Press International. "It is all over this country and the shocking thing about it is it is not just a black movement. She said white students at the Un iversity of Illinois-Chicago were doing research for reparations groups. "It's a movement that's much greater. It's going to surprise some folks. We have representation from all over this country." Saturday morning's opening convention session was broadcast live on WVON-AM, a black-oriented talk radio station. LeGrand Cleggh, city attorney for Compton, Calif., said he and Chicago attorney Lewis Meyers were doing legal research on every aspect of reparations. "Large numbers of white men impregnated black women during slavery and abandoned their children. Now that's child support," said Cleggh, "whole generations who were never cared for." Compton last year passed a reparations resolution patterned after Chicago's. About 80 organizers from around the nation met in closed session Sunday to develop plans to mobilize black communities and to forge a common reparations agenda. Advocates, notably NCOBRA, the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America, the National Black United Front and the Republic of New Afrika, want trillions of dollars for the hundreds of years of free labor the ir ancestors provided and degradation they suffered. Some favor a lump-sum, while others say reparations are about more than money and should be part of initiatives to improve education, economic development, employment a nd housing. "Reparations have got to mean we take responsibility for ourselves," Finney said. Tillman did not discuss what form reparations should take or put a dollar figure on the cost. "We have every region represented here," Tillman said. "We think we will be able to present to this government, to this country, a plan for reparations. "There several schools of thought out here. There are people like [historian] Dr. Lerone Bennett who think we should have a Marshall Plan and there others who think maybe we need money, others who think land, others say education, others who say 'give us a ticket out of here.' So there's all kind of thought. When you deal with a Marshall Plan you almost deal with all those things people are talking about." Gen. George Marshall became U.S. secretary of state and in 1947 put together an economic plan to rebuild a Europe devastated by World War II. The United States sent about $13 billion in development aid, food and machinery to Europe before the plan ended in 1952. Tillman said the free labor of blacks had built America. "Had it not been for slaves, had it not been for my ancestors, people would not be coming to America," she said. "Black labor, white wealth." She said the conference also discussed the whole psychological effect of slavery "post-traumatic slavery syndrome" affecting both blacks and whites. "We can move this issue of reparations to the forefront," said Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., a former Black Panther leader and now a Baptist minister and U.S. congressman. "The reparations movement is a campaign for African-Am ericans that emerged 100 years ago when the newly freed slaves cried out for restitution for centuries of stolen labor, cultural degradation and dehumanization." Rush said there are precedents for reparations, citing Germany's restitution to Jewish victims of the Nazi Holocaust and to slave laborers, and Australia's land grants to indigenous abori
