Re: [CTRL] HR 3598 was ... Wonder if they'll reinstate the draft...
-Caveat Lector- --- Samantha L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/10/02 4:17:20 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Although I endorse nonviolent means to provide solutions to most if not all conflicts arising among the various factions of humanity, I also endorse (almost) universal military training. As a mother I am opposed because our kids then become guinea pigs for whatever vaccines the military wants to throw at them. That is my primary concern. These young people lose their rights as individuals when they become part of the military machine. Boot camp - okay, weapons training - okay, vaccines NOT okay. IMO. Laura As a mother of a 16 year old, I say no to all of it. No son of mine will fight for the greed of the global elite. If they care to send THEIR sons to fight, fine by me. The military machine is nothing but the global greed machine and I want no part of it. If that means I can't drive me fricking car anymore, so be it! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] HR 3598 was ... Wonder if they'll reinstate the draft...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/13/02 1:50:42 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a mother of a 16 year old, I say no to all of it. No son of mine will fight for the greed of the global elite. If they care to send THEIR sons to fight, fine by me. The military machine is nothing but the global greed machine and I want no part of it. If that means I can't drive me fricking car anymore, so be it! Yeah. My son could handle boot camp and he'd probably like weapons training, and if that's all it was, I could probably go along with it if he could. But fighting and killing for sick military/industrial monetary purposes - I cannot see that. Our sons in the US will face the choice between jail and the military if HR 3598 passes? The Canada option is closing. And without money to leave the country and go elsewhere, I don't know what can be done to protect these young men from either jail or the military. According to HR 3598 all young men who graduate before Jan 2003 will be exempt. We did the math and our son can't graduate in or before Jan 2003 even with summer school. Laura A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] HR 3598 was ... Wonder if they'll reinstate the draft...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/10/02 4:17:20 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Although I endorse nonviolent means to provide solutions to most if not all conflicts arising among the various factions of humanity, I also endorse (almost) universal military training. As a mother I am opposed because our kids then become guinea pigs for whatever vaccines the military wants to throw at them. That is my primary concern. These young people lose their rights as individuals when they become part of the military machine. Boot camp - okay, weapons training - okay, vaccines NOT okay. IMO. Laura A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] HR 3598 was ... Wonder if they'll reinstate the draft...
-Caveat Lector- Perfect timing for HR 3598 which is now under consideration by the House Armed Services Committee: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:h.r.3598: 107th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 3598 To require the induction into the Armed Forces of young men registered under the Military Selective Service Act, and to authorize young women to volunteer, to receive basic military training and education for a period of up to one year. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES December 20, 2001 Mr. SMITH of Michigan (for himself and Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Armed Services -- -- A BILL To require the induction into the Armed Forces of young men registered under the Military Selective Service Act, and to authorize young women to volunteer, to receive basic military training and education for a period of up to one year. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE AND TABLE OF CONTENTS. (a) SHORT TITLE- This Act may be cited as the `Universal Military Training and Service Act of 2001'. (b) TABLE OF CONTENTS- The table of contents for this Act is as follows: Sec. 1. Short title and table of contents. Sec. 2. Definitions. Sec. 3. Basic military training and education. Sec. 4. Period of basic military training and education. Sec. 5. Educational services and prorated Montgomery GI Bill benefits. Sec. 6. Role of Selective Service System. Sec. 7. Induction of conscripts and acceptance of volunteers. Sec. 8. Deferments and postponements. Sec. 9. Exemptions. Sec. 10. Military training in branch of member's choice; conscientious objection. Sec. 11. Pay and allowances. Sec. 12. Discharge following training. Sec. 13. Relation to authorized end strengths for active forces. Sec. 14. Conforming amendments. Sec. 15. Transitional provision. SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS. In this Act: (1) The term `armed forces' means the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Coast Guard. (2) The term `basic military training and education' means a program consisting of-- (A) basic training established by the Secretary concerned for members of the armed forces inducted as conscripts or accepted as volunteers pursuant this Act; (B) educational services described in section 4; and (C) such specialty training as the Secretary concerned considers appropriate. (3) The term `between the ages of 18 and 22' refers to men who have attained the 18th anniversary of the day of their birth and who have not attained the 22d anniversary of the day of their birth. (4) The term `Director' means the Director of the Selective Service System. (5) The term `local board' means a county local board or intercounty local board established by the President under section 10(b) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 460(b)). (6) The term `Secretary concerned' means the Secretary of Defense, with respect to the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force, and the Secretary of Transportation, with respect to the Coast Guard. (7) The term `United States', when used in a geographical sense, means the several States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam. SEC. 3. BASIC MILITARY TRAINING AND EDUCATION. (a) OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG MEN- It is the obligation of every male citizen of the United States, and every other male person residing in the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 22 to receive basic military training and education as a member of the armed forces unless the citizen or person is exempted under the provisions of this Act. (b) ACCEPTANCE OF YOUNG WOMEN VOLUNTEERS- Female citizens of the United States, and other female persons residing in the United States, who are between the ages of 18 and 22 may volunteer for enlistment in the armed forces to receive basic military training and education under this Act. At the discretion of the Secretary concerned, the Secretary concerned may accept such volunteers to receive such training and education. SEC. 4. PERIOD OF BASIC MILITARY TRAINING AND EDUCATION. (a) GENERAL RULE- Except as otherwise provided in this section, a person inducted as a conscript or accepted as a volunteer pursuant to this Act shall receive basic military training and education as a member of one of the armed forces for a period of not less than six months, but not more than one year, as established by the Secretary concerned. (b) EXTENDED TRAINING AND EDUCATIONAL SERVICES FOR HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUTS- A person inducted as a conscript or accepted as a volunteer pursuant to this Act who has not obtained a high school diploma or its equivalent, shall receive basic military training and education as a member of one of the armed forces for an additional period of up to six months after the completion of the period established for members
Re: [CTRL] HR 3598 was ... Wonder if they'll reinstate the draft...
-Caveat Lector- On 10 May 2002 at 12:47, Samantha L. wrote: To require the induction into the Armed Forces of young men registered under the Military Selective Service Act, and to authorize young women to volunteer, to receive basic military training and education for a period of up to one year. Although I endorse nonviolent means to provide solutions to most if not all conflicts arising among the various factions of humanity, I also endorse (almost) universal military training. My reasons for this do not include providing fodder for the imperialist forces that have overtaken the United States in the last hundred years or so. Exactly the opposite, as a matter of fact. The rationale is more along the lines of a good offense begins with a good defense ... against enemies foreign and domestic. When the Constitution was written, it included the Second Amendment with the understanding that most if not all men and women would have some familiarity with defending themselves, with firearms if necessary. With the advent of standing armies and urbanisation of the society, the need to go out and learn how to shoot something in order to eat has fallen by the wayside. This is considered sport now (as if some of our current leaders did not consider war to be sport). Military service eliminates this gap in education and training within the first few weeks of basic training, boot camp, whatever. No more pretend cowboys or gangsters, who can only dream about loud dangerous things (besides their cars' subbass woofer sound systems). Other issues beyond this are also eliminated. Among these are learning how to get along with the infinite varieties of American that there are. Since the draft was abolished in favour of an all-volunteer Armed Forces, I've noticed a slight change in direction of society that favours a somewhat Balkanised effect, groups congregating among their perceived samenesses. There is less emphasis on becoming integrated or cooperative and more on polarisation. The military puts this to a quick end for the most part. Once people are forced to learn to live with and learn about one another in a climate of common purpose, things get better. For everyone. The most important thing I've come to learn is who the government puts its assets to use. Mad Maddy Albright had a little conflict with General Powell in interpreting what the military was good for. This, in itself, shows how a lack of on-hand, in-person experience can distort the purpose of a instrument of American foreign policy. When the Mad Maddies get excited about achieving person goals using the blood, sweat and tears of someone else's kids, we're all in trouble. If we look at the people who are involved in formulating national foreign policy to include dispatching armies, air forces, navies, and affiliated corps of young people, we find a great number of those who did all they could to keep their heads in the sand during recent conflicts. [ Go here to see who WAS in the military and then figure out who WASN'T: http://www.rollcall.com/rcfiles/military.html ] We might find some correlation to warmongering and absence of a DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, in our leaders' names. We only need to remember BJ Clinton, R. Cheney, R. Armey, T. DeLay, N. Gingrich, T. Lott, and a whole host of others who had other things to do. [ http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html ] Unfortunately, your brother, sister, cousin, friend, spouse, or person living next door to you is not something the politicians can buy at Toys R Us and play with on the living room floor. Then there's the little matter of the government not being so hasty to enslave its population. AER A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:]
