Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- It is not a blanket statement. It is meant to refer to scientists who hold "old line" theories (not necessarily invalid or untrue ones, lets get that straight), like evolution, the inhabitants of early America, the origin of the Sphinx, etc. Who routinely keep research out of peer reviewed publications, ignore or ridicule alternate theories that are put forward by reputable scientists, NOT because the theories are stupid or invalid, or UNscientific but because they hold the view that their theory is correct and all others MUST therefore be wrong, and thus should be ignored. On Thu, 28 June 2001, Steve Suranie wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Perhaps it would be good if you offered a specific example instead of > blanketing all scientist in this fashion. I missed the beginning of this > thread so I'm not sure if you are talking about a specific incident or just > scientist in general. > > > -- > > From: tenebroust > > Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 10:02 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > That is precisely why the analogy works becuase established science has a > > religious structure and as such does not take any guff from those who wish > > to go outside of its constraints. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 27 June 2001, Foxter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, tenebroust wrote:>The short answer is > > that they > > > are ignorant and very when they>deliberately do not look at > > evidence and > > > cover up or ridicule theories>proposed that do not fit into their > > well > > > established theories (read:>FACTS).The problem is that > > Modern > > > Science has become a new religion, repletewith its own rules and > > dogma...and > > > anyone deviating from the accepteddogma is branded a heretic and > > > 'excommunicated'...June > > > And the leader of > > this new > > > religion is the Dollar/ECU/Yen, the motivation Greed. > > > That explains why > > ordinarily > > > kind men and women abandon common sense and > > > compassion. > > > > "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix > > > > "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space > > Odyssey > > Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! > > http://www.shopping.altavista.com > > > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > > == > > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing > > propagandic > > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance--not soap-boxin---please! These are > > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theor-'--with its many half-truths, mis- > > directions and outright fra-ds--is used politically by different groups > > with > > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and > > thought. > > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > > > Archives Available at: > > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Om > > > > > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups w
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- Perhaps it would be good if you offered a specific example instead of blanketing all scientist in this fashion. I missed the beginning of this thread so I'm not sure if you are talking about a specific incident or just scientist in general. > -- > From: tenebroust > Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 10:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists > > -Caveat Lector- > > That is precisely why the analogy works becuase established science has a > religious structure and as such does not take any guff from those who wish > to go outside of its constraints. > > > > > On Wed, 27 June 2001, Foxter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, tenebroust wrote:>The short answer is > that they > > are ignorant and very when they>deliberately do not look at > evidence and > > cover up or ridicule theories>proposed that do not fit into their > well > > established theories (read:>FACTS).The problem is that > Modern > > Science has become a new religion, repletewith its own rules and > dogma...and > > anyone deviating from the accepteddogma is branded a heretic and > > 'excommunicated'...June > > And the leader of > this new > > religion is the Dollar/ECU/Yen, the motivation Greed. > > That explains why > ordinarily > > kind men and women abandon common sense and > > compassion. > > "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix > > "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space > Odyssey > Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! > http://www.shopping.altavista.com > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing > propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance--not soap-boxin---please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theor-'--with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fra-ds--is used politically by different groups > with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and > thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, tenebroust wrote: > >The short answer is that they are ignorant and very when they > >deliberately do not look at evidence and cover up or ridicule theories > >proposed that do not fit into their well established theories (read: > >FACTS). > > The problem is that Modern Science has become a new religion, replete > with its own rules and dogma...and anyone deviating from the accepted > dogma is branded a heretic and 'excommunicated'... > > June Amen! I recommend Robert Anton Wilson's "The New Inquisition" which is subtitled "Irrational Rationalism and the Citadel of Science". -- ´´ Mark McHugh http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- That is precisely why the analogy works becuase established science has a religious structure and as such does not take any guff from those who wish to go outside of its constraints. On Wed, 27 June 2001, Foxter wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, tenebroust wrote:>The short answer is that they > are ignorant and very when they>deliberately do not look at evidence and > cover up or ridicule theories>proposed that do not fit into their well > established theories (read:>FACTS).The problem is that Modern > Science has become a new religion, repletewith its own rules and dogma...and > anyone deviating from the accepteddogma is branded a heretic and > 'excommunicated'...June > And the leader of this new > religion is the Dollar/ECU/Yen, the motivation Greed. > That explains why ordinarily > kind men and women abandon common sense and > compassion. "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- You hit on an excellent point and that is that we don't have to agree but the end result should be a fair representation of the facts and alternative theories should be considered, not shunted aside and ridiculed. Don't label yourself impartial unless you truly are. On Wed, 27 June 2001, YnrChyldzWyld wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From:href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>Steve Suranie > >Of course this could be twisted the other way around, any scientist > not>agreeing with your view can be labeled ignorant and said to > prescribe to the>new religion and its rules and dogma...I > don't care whose views they 'agree' with, including my own... > > What I DO care about is that anyone calling themselves a scientist go > thru the scientific process to prove or disprove any theory or > point. Too many of them react with a kneejerk response to anything > considered avant-garde or 'kooky', and don't examine the evidence let > alone try to recreate the thing they condemn outright without > investigating. > > > June > > Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- >href="http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com";>http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > id=IncrediStamp> size=2>_ face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>IncrediMail - Email has finally > evolved - http://www.incredimail.com/imstampa.html";> face="Times New Roman" size=3>Click > Here > > "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
From: Steve Suranie >Of course this could be twisted the other way around, any scientist not>agreeing with your view can be labeled ignorant and said to prescribe to the>new religion and its rules and dogma...I don't care whose views they 'agree' with, including my own... What I DO care about is that anyone calling themselves a scientist go thru the scientific process to prove or disprove any theory or point. Too many of them react with a kneejerk response to anything considered avant-garde or 'kooky', and don't examine the evidence let alone try to recreate the thing they condemn outright without investigating. June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com _IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- Of course this could be twisted the other way around, any scientist not agreeing with your view can be labeled ignorant and said to prescribe to the new religion and its rules and dogma... > -- > From: Foxter > Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:02 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, tenebroust wrote: > >The short answer is that they are ignorant and very when they > >deliberately do not look at evidence and cover up or ridicule theories > >proposed that do not fit into their well established theories (read: > >FACTS). > > The problem is that Modern Science has become a new religion, replete > with its own rules and dogma...and anyone deviating from the accepted > dogma is branded a heretic and 'excommunicated'... > > > June > > > And the leader of this new religion is the Dollar/ECU/Yen, the motivation > Greed. > That explains why ordinarily kind men and women abandon common sense and > compassion. > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, tenebroust wrote: >The short answer is that they are ignorant and very when they >deliberately do not look at evidence and cover up or ridicule theories >proposed that do not fit into their well established theories (read: >FACTS). The problem is that Modern Science has become a new religion, replete with its own rules and dogma...and anyone deviating from the accepted dogma is branded a heretic and 'excommunicated'... June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- The short answer is that they are ignorant and very when they deliberately do not look at evidence and cover up or ridicule theories proposed that do not fit into their well established theories (read: FACTS). On Tue, 26 June 2001, Andrew Hennessey wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > yep lets feel superior about the ordinary joe six pack lay person - > thenlets have a critical look at our superior intellect and where exactly > that has gotten the human race over the last century. > > Did you know that Lord kelvin wrote a treatise on aether and gravitation > which he presented to the royal society in 1901 and in that he not only puts > forward the theory of the gaseous turbulence of the aether but of the basic > principles of Chaos Theory - and by doing so - he had advanced Cosmology by > a hundred years - see www.santafe.edu but look where we are now - > Einstein's disclaimer on > aether was the michelson morley experiment - I mean is it logical that if we > examine the inside of something the size of a can of beans for aether and > not find any that we can then project that classically irrationally result > as an absolute a priori on INFINITY ?? > Einstein's fixed C and no ether also hit the skids in 1920 with Olbers > paradox - has anybody ever heard of it - if not - why not - > it suggests that its a paradox that the sky isn't white at night - because > all the photons in the cosmos should have been here by now - but something - > some paradox has held them up [not ether say the ignorant scientists] but > something - its a paradox - blah blah > > By the rules of the scientific game written by karl Popper in his > Conjectures and Refutations he suggests that if a theory is not falsifiable > it is redundant - that it is not rational to keeep going back to and > remodifying a theroy - it should be discarded - but ignorant 'scientists' > keep doing that with the Big bang - even though there is a ribbon of > galaxies called the great wall with matter far older than the big bang > theory allows for - another lemon that should be trashed. > > Schifflers Horns is a paradox in mathematical topology - in this LINEAR > cosmos it keeps showing up fractal. > Well Schifflers horns is the mathematical PROOF that the Universe is a chaos > event and non-linear. > > And superstring theory and all the spin off garbage - have you ever in your > life heard of a more bizarre pile of crap ?? its another example of the > constant modification of a theory that should have been scrapped decades > ago. Everytime the 'scientists' hit a snag - they just add in another > mathematical dimension and another layer of absurd abstraction. It goes > completely against the cornertsone rationality of popper and the simple is > best Occams Razor. > I'm NOT saying that the empirical DATA on physics is bad - just the MODEL of > superstrings that it is deployed on is Crass. > > and we look at all the 'scientists' working for the military industrial > complex - and some people feel superior over the laymen ??? > scientists with worthless doctorates in physics and a washed out paradigm > FULL of PARADOXES and un-unified Physics - and these 'scientists' advise > governments that there is No Global Warming [thatcher/carbon tax], that it > is ok to lower the pasteurisation temperatures of meat processing to make > the processes yield more profit. that microwaves and radioactivity do not > build up damage - that food stuffs containing harmful chemicals are ok and > those 'scientists' feel superior ?? > what a laugh > no the common man doesn't have a professorship in STUPIDITY > he does have COMMON SENSE - and he/she knows that 'Science' is desperately > trying to paper over the Cracks ... > but its more obvious than that - the greatest scientific achievement in > recent years was not some brilliant flawed genius like einstein or tesla or > kelvin with sweeping new paradigms - > it was rows and rows of big big machines doing the sorting for the human > genome project - > if you can give the monkeys enough typewriters - they will get their Nobel. > > andrew hennessey > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://
[CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- yep lets feel superior about the ordinary joe six pack lay person - thenlets have a critical look at our superior intellect and where exactly that has gotten the human race over the last century. Did you know that Lord kelvin wrote a treatise on aether and gravitation which he presented to the royal society in 1901 and in that he not only puts forward the theory of the gaseous turbulence of the aether but of the basic principles of Chaos Theory - and by doing so - he had advanced Cosmology by a hundred years - see www.santafe.edu but look where we are now - Einstein's disclaimer on aether was the michelson morley experiment - I mean is it logical that if we examine the inside of something the size of a can of beans for aether and not find any that we can then project that classically irrationally result as an absolute a priori on INFINITY ?? Einstein's fixed C and no ether also hit the skids in 1920 with Olbers paradox - has anybody ever heard of it - if not - why not - it suggests that its a paradox that the sky isn't white at night - because all the photons in the cosmos should have been here by now - but something - some paradox has held them up [not ether say the ignorant scientists] but something - its a paradox - blah blah By the rules of the scientific game written by karl Popper in his Conjectures and Refutations he suggests that if a theory is not falsifiable it is redundant - that it is not rational to keeep going back to and remodifying a theroy - it should be discarded - but ignorant 'scientists' keep doing that with the Big bang - even though there is a ribbon of galaxies called the great wall with matter far older than the big bang theory allows for - another lemon that should be trashed. Schifflers Horns is a paradox in mathematical topology - in this LINEAR cosmos it keeps showing up fractal. Well Schifflers horns is the mathematical PROOF that the Universe is a chaos event and non-linear. And superstring theory and all the spin off garbage - have you ever in your life heard of a more bizarre pile of crap ?? its another example of the constant modification of a theory that should have been scrapped decades ago. Everytime the 'scientists' hit a snag - they just add in another mathematical dimension and another layer of absurd abstraction. It goes completely against the cornertsone rationality of popper and the simple is best Occams Razor. I'm NOT saying that the empirical DATA on physics is bad - just the MODEL of superstrings that it is deployed on is Crass. and we look at all the 'scientists' working for the military industrial complex - and some people feel superior over the laymen ??? scientists with worthless doctorates in physics and a washed out paradigm FULL of PARADOXES and un-unified Physics - and these 'scientists' advise governments that there is No Global Warming [thatcher/carbon tax], that it is ok to lower the pasteurisation temperatures of meat processing to make the processes yield more profit. that microwaves and radioactivity do not build up damage - that food stuffs containing harmful chemicals are ok and those 'scientists' feel superior ?? what a laugh no the common man doesn't have a professorship in STUPIDITY he does have COMMON SENSE - and he/she knows that 'Science' is desperately trying to paper over the Cracks ... but its more obvious than that - the greatest scientific achievement in recent years was not some brilliant flawed genius like einstein or tesla or kelvin with sweeping new paradigms - it was rows and rows of big big machines doing the sorting for the human genome project - if you can give the monkeys enough typewriters - they will get their Nobel. andrew hennessey http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- yep lets feel superior about the ordinary joe six pack lay person - thenlets have a critical look at our superior intellect and where exactly that has gotten the human race over the last century. Did you know that Lord kelvin wrote a treatise on aether and gravitation which he presented to the royal society in 1901 and in that he not only puts forward the theory of the gaseous turbulence of the aether but of the basic principles of Chaos Theory - and by doing so - he had advanced Cosmology by a hundred years - see www.santafe.edu but look where we are now - Einstein's disclaimer on aether was the michelson morley experiment - I mean is it logical that if we examine the inside of something the size of a can of beans for aether and not find any that we can then project that classically irrationally result as an absolute a priori on INFINITY ?? ie. make it into a universal law !!!?? Einstein's fixed C and no ether also hit the skids in 1920 with Olbers paradox - has anybody ever heard of it - if not - why not - it suggests that its a paradox that the sky isn't white at night - because all the photons in the cosmos should have been here by now - but something - some paradox has held them up [not ether say the ignorant scientists] but something - its a paradox - blah blah By the rules of the scientific game written by karl Popper in his Conjectures and Refutations he suggests that if a theory is not falsifiable it is redundant - that it is not rational to keeep going back to and remodifying a theroy - it should be discarded - but ignorant 'scientists' keep doing that with the Big bang - even though there is a ribbon of galaxies called the great wall with matter far older than the big bang theory allows for - another lemon that should be trashed. Schifflers Horns is a paradox in mathematical topology - in this LINEAR cosmos it keeps showing up fractal. Well Schifflers horns is the mathematical PROOF that the Universe is a chaos event and non-linear. And superstring theory and all the spin off garbage - have you ever in your life heard of a more bizarre pile of crap ?? its another example of the constant modification of a theory that should have been scrapped decades ago. Everytime the 'scientists' hit a snag - they just add in another mathematical dimension and another layer of absurd abstraction. It goes completely against the cornertsone rationality of popper and the simple is best Occams Razor. I'm NOT saying that the empirical DATA on physics is bad - just the MODEL of superstrings that it is deployed on is Crass. and we look at all the 'scientists' working for the military industrial complex - and some people feel superior over the laymen ??? scientists with worthless doctorates in physics and a washed out paradigm FULL of PARADOXES and un-unified Physics - and these 'scientists' advise governments that there is No Global Warming [thatcher/carbon tax], that it is ok to lower the pasteurisation temperatures of meat processing to make the processes yield more profit. that microwaves and radioactivity do not build up damage - that food stuffs containing harmful chemicals are ok and those 'scientists' feel superior ?? what a laugh no the common man doesn't have a professorship in STUPIDITY he does have COMMON SENSE - and he/she knows that 'Science' is desperately trying to paper over the Cracks ... but its more obvious than that - the greatest scientific achievement in recent years was not some brilliant flawed genius like einstein or tesla or kelvin with sweeping new paradigms - it was rows and rows of big big machines doing the sorting for the human genome project - if you can give the monkeys enough typewriters - they will get their Nobel. andrew hennessey transformation studies group http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email
