[CTRL] Indians vs. the cavalry once more
-Caveat Lector- So, ladies and gentlemen, this is an example of *why* the Israeli-Palestinian issue is so popular with the Eastern elites (Ee_s). In a very similar fashion, the Ee_s, those who pontificate on the fates of the lesser advantaged, especially those who have been indigenous to their regions (more or less, taking into account the rape, pillage and plunder of the Cherokees' and others' lands, the reservations' establishment, and so on)(Trail of Tears, Jackson vs Marshall, et cetera), the Ee_s obviously view the Middle Eastern situation in the same light. It's early American history redux. Bad early American history redux. Now, I've seen *Urban Cowboy* and watched all the city slickers (and the movies of the same name) turn in their wingtips and tweeds for ostrich-skin pointy-toed foot cripplers, snap pocket shirts, and half-pint hats. And we can't forget them crotch crampin' Wranglers, and we? One time bein' Disco Dux, they sashay'd on to Mickey Gilley. They wanted to be. So, we see some other imperialising colonials attempting to be by emulating Old Hickory 's ways and means to carve out their place in history. Only they're a hunnert and some years too late. Although it may work in the short run, unfortunately, it's to few's advantage in the long run. And to a few, a much lesser advantage. And, still we see casualties of the Ee_s' benevolence toward those in whom they've placed their trust and on whose side the law has been and still is. I would have hoped that, as Americans, we would have outgrown this mentality of disregard, disrespect, and disgusting treatment of proud peoples, one of whom gave their name to a helicopter. But there are those who are still In Search of Justice. Here and there, here and there. AER From http://www.boulderweekly.com/coverstory.html }}}Begin In search of justice Indians vs. the cavalry once more - - - - - - - - - - - - by Pamela White ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Christmas didn't come to Louise James' home this year. Earning less than $2,500 a year, James needs every dime she receives from the Department of the Interior for the oil lease on her land in order to live. But she, like tens of thousands other American Indians who receive royalties for mineral extraction and timber leases on their property, hasn't gotten a check since November. The utility company has turned off her electricity, and, unless a check arrives soon, she and her six children and two grandchildren will lose their home. Indians are losing their homes all over the country, says Keith Harper, an attorney with Native American Rights Fund (NARF), a Boulder-based non- profit. The interior department cut off checks to royalty recipients on Dec. 5 after receiving a court order to upgrade security on their computer system. Rather than disconnecting from the Internet, as the judge reportedly intended, interior officials shut the entire system down without having any backup plan for cutting checks. Now, four months later, many families still have not received their checks, and some are facing hunger. The royalty-check scandal is only the latest controversy to surface in NARF's lawsuit against the federal government. NARF, which provides legal help to American Indian individuals and nations, is in the sixth contentious year of its epic court battle against the Department of the Interior. The class- action suit alleges that government has mismanaged the trust accounts of about 500,000 American Indians for more than a century and seeks to force the government to account for an estimated $10 billion in missing royalties for grazing, mineral extraction, and timber operations. At stake, however, is far more than money or land-use issues. Observers say the trust-fund lawsuit gets to the heart of centuries of mistreatment of Indian people by the U.S. government. It's an equal-protection issue, says Harper, who works full-time on the case in Washington, D.C. While many believe it's a case NARF can win-the government has admitted to mismanaging the money-the small non-profit lacks anything close to the volume of money and staff enjoyed by federal authorities who are fighting it. As the interior department continues to draw out litigation, some fear NARF might win a Pyrrhic victory, winning in court, but losing its shirt in the process. Government behaving badly Since it was filed in 1996, the lawsuit has cost NARF millions. It has been the most expensive case we have done in our 31 years, but it's one we knew that we had to try because what was going on in Washington was ridiculous, says NARF founder and executive director John Echohawk. With a $7-million annual budget, NARF has had to step up fund-raising efforts to keep pace with expenses. While NARF's budget is limited to its fund-raising abilities, the interior department has access to countless millions in taxpayer money. By July 2001, the federal government had already spent in excess of $50 million fighting the lawsuit. We've
[CTRL] Indians Teach Blair Cricket
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Angry India rebukes peacemaker Blair
Handshake of 'peace' fails
Nicholas Watt, Bangalore
Sunday January 6, 2002
The Observer
Tony Blair suffered a rare public rebuke yesterday when a leading
member of the Indian Cabinet made clear that New Delhi is deeply
irritated by his pledge to act as a 'calming influence' over Kashmir.
On the eve of the Prime Minister's talks with his Indian counterpart,
Blair was told in unequivocal terms that India needs no lectures from
its former colonial rulers on the need for restraint.
Standing within feet of the Prime Minister on a platform at an
industrial conference in Bangalore, the Indian Minister for
Parliamentary Affairs threw Blair's language back at him. 'People say
you have come to cool us dow
n,' Pramod Mahajan said. 'We have been cool enough for the last 50 years.'
The Minister also accused the West of operating double standards by attacking the
Taliban, while taking a more lenient stance with Kashmiri militants based in Pakistan.
'There cannot be one rule for Mullah Omar and anothe
r for Maulana Azhar, [a Pakistani militant],' he said.
Mahajan was careful to qualify his remarks, declaring that Blair was a world leader
who was welcome in India. He also peppered his speech with witty references to the
historic links between India and Britain, remarking th
at while Britain may have invented cricket, India has provided Britain with its
cricket captain.
But the politically charged comments from one of the most vocal members of the Indian
Cabinet appeared to be designed to warn Blair to tread carefully when he meets his
Indian counterpart, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, in New Del
hi tonight. That meeting will be followed by talks in Pakistan with its President,
Pervez Musharraf.
As he embarks on another round of shuttle diplomacy, Blair has tried to cast himself
as an impartial figure whose presence could help improve relations between India and
Pakistan. But Blair was given a taste of the sensit
ivity over the issue when he appeared to side with Islamabad.
In an interview with Sky television, which was broadcast on the Indian Star Television
satellite station on Friday, Blair described Pakistan's position on Kashmir as 'very
strong'. Opposition politicians lambasted him, fo
rcing the Indian Foreign Ministry to issue a statement saying that it had no
difficulty with his remarks.
At a briefing yesterday, Blair's spokesman said that the Indian media had
misunderstood the Prime Minister who had merely suggested that Pakistan's views on
Kashmir were strongly held.
Because the state of Jammu and Kashmir was formally incorporated into India by an act
of the British Parliament when the subcontinent was partitioned into India and
Pakistan in 1947, New Delhi believes Kashmir is a domest
ic issue.
Pakistan believes that it should be declared the rightful ruler of Kashmir because of
the territory's predominantly Muslim population. Islamabad also points out that India
has failed to live up to its commitment to hold a
referendum in Kashmir.
As he prepared to fly to Delhi for today's talks with Vajpayee, Blair attempted to
reach out to India by denouncing Kashmiri terrorists who launched a suicide attack on
the Indian Parliament last month and urging Pakistan
to crack down on militants.
This is likely to irritate Musharraf who can point out that Pakistan has carried out
an unprecedented wave of arrests of alleged militants.
The Prime Minister reinforced his message about Islamist militants by
declaring that the time had come for the Islamic world to deal with
its fundamentalists. In a marked change of emphasis, Blair said that
only the 'true voice of Islam itself' could tackle the fanatics who
warped 'caring and decent' Muslim principles.
His remarks will be seen as significant because until now he said
that the onus was on the West to make it clear that its war against
terrorism was not an assault on Islam.
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[CTRL] Indians, Slaves, Paupers etc.
-Caveat Lector- Looking at the Articles of Confederation, the 'first' US Constitution, we find a telling sentence. http://search.britannica.com/frm_redir.jsp?query=articles+of+confederationredir=http://kuhttp.cc.ukans.edu/carrie/docs/texts/confeder.htm ...the free inhabitants of each of these States, paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice excepted, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several States.. paupers and vagabonds? People of no fixed address or without means? IE The homeless, itinerant workers, prisoners, Indians, Blacks and etc. There is nothing new under the Sun. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Indians
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They were also stupid enough not to realize the value of personal ownership of wealth, and the productive power of capitalism... After all, that's why they were living in tents and barely subsisting... "Hunters and gatherers" don't have any capital to carry them over in hard times (such as a bad hunting season). "Tribal mentality" is the same as "slave mentality," which isn't known to result in creation of wealth and prosperity. The Native Americans should have been ashamed of themselves not to realize the commercial value of property. Not necessarily... If they chose to live a bare subsistence lifestyle, why should I care, or why they care what I care? Of coure they were doing beautifully before the colonists started killing them, True... unless you consider them killing each other off, capturing each other for slaves, and looting each other's meager belongings as something less than desireable. but they just should have understood that grabbing the most of everything is the mark of true civilization. Maybe they were smarter than that, but dumb enough not to understand that producing wealth is preferable to plundering and scavaging. Maybe they already understood the words I saw on an announcement board outside a local church. "When we die, we leave what we have and take what we are." Yep... They were a bunch of sweethearts all right. Kind and gentle... noble savages all. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Indians
-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld wrote: Now you're changing your tune...your initial objection was that all Indians just got by with foraging and gathering, I made the mistake of generalizing.. Hell, I'm sure SOME Indian, somewhere, was probably a real estate agent. and didn't farm...when that fallacy was pointed out, you now decide that 'manufacturing' is to be the new standard... Look.. My point was not to criticize the Indians... The point was that they were at best poor entrepreneurs nor producers of excess "whatever they produced" in order to amass any capital. I should have prefaced my remarks with "In general," or "To a large extent," etc etc... It was my mistake. The Inca, Mayans, and Toltecs seem to have been able to 'manufacture' some pretty sophisticated objects... I don't think the "founding fathers" of the USA had much contact with them, and did not intend that they be included in the discussion. Oh, so our concept of govm't was derived from the Iroquois Confederacy? Again, it's a MATTER OF RECORD. Whatever If you want to believe that our system of government was derived from the Iroquois, go ahead... It probably is a harmless enough thing to believe... about the same as the "fact" that Africans invented the airplane and telegraph. I never said any such thing...I said the INDIANS were farmers and fishers... No... You were speaking of the Europeans... the Europeans who first came here in the 1600s were for the most part pretty middleclass, more merchants than farmers... Middleclass has nothing to do with farming ability.. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Indians
-Caveat Lector- but they just should have understood that grabbing the most of everything is the mark of true civilization. Maybe they were smarter than that, but dumb enough not to understand that producing wealth is preferable to plundering and scavaging. Wealth is not produced but is harnessed from what belongs to everyone. Of course, if you have the appropriate firepower, you can claim it is yours and even force people to agree. Maybe they already understood the words I saw on an announcement board outside a local church. "When we die, we leave what we have and take what we are." Yep... They were a bunch of sweethearts all right. Kind and gentle... noble savages all. Hawk I see this is just about keeping the fire going. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Indians
-Caveat Lector- Agent Smiley wrote: --- So what of the fact that they avoided excess? Are you championing waste? If what I am "wasting" belongs to me, I champion my right to do so. What you do with your stuff, or what the Indians did with theirs is none of my concern. Excess is useful if you wish to have leverage AGAINST someone, else it is given away. Again, you do whatever you wish with your stuff... Give it away, let it deteriorate, sell it, or shove it... I couldn't care less. What has this to do with whether or not they were capable of such? Nothing... I responded to it in reference to "What the Europeans found in terms of Indians and their life-style in North America..." I might have been as sarcastic as you (which is an indication of poor character) by asking what the Incas had to do with the original discussion. You sound like Clinton's press secretary - changing subjects in hopes of preying on the slow minded. There are few of those here. Apparently you are too slow-minded to make a connection with an obvious illustration... I'll try to make things easier for you to understand in the future. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Indians
-Caveat Lector- Agent Smiley wrote: -Caveat Lector- Wealth is not produced but is harnessed from what belongs to everyone. Not so... Wealth is produced by the manipulation of things that are (usually) unsuable in their raw condition, and making something that is beneficial or desirable of it. Of course wealth can be earned by providing services in which nothing is "manufactured" -- such as entertainment, poetry, etc. as long as someone is willing to purchase it from you. "Harnessing" is a strange concept... I suppose (for instance) automobiles are running around loose in nature, belonging to everyone in general and no one in particular, so someone has to corral them up and "harness" them? Strange concepts you have... Of course, if you have the appropriate firepower, you can claim it is yours and even force people to agree. That's the nature of communism, socialism, facsism and other forms of coerced altruism... I believe it is your preferrence. There are generally only three methods of obtaining wealth: (1)Produce it -- choice, (2)Plunder it -- your choice, or (3) Patronage -- somebody gives it to you... Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Indians
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote: Nothing... I responded to it in reference to "What the Europeans found in terms of Indians and their life-style in North America..." I might have been as sarcastic as you (which is an indication of poor character) by asking what the Incas had to do with the original discussion. Since Mexico and Central America are part of the North American continent, Incas, Mayas, and Toltecs are relevant in any discussion regarding "What the Europeans found in terms of Indians and their life-style in North America"... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
