Re: [CTRL] Let's All Apologize
-Caveat Lector- Let's All Apologize By Chuck Baldwin September 21, 2001 Excellent posting. Thanks JohnDM PS Sin occurs 448 times in 389 verses in the King James Bible. The first is: Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. And nearly the last is: 1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Let's All Apologize
-Caveat Lector- Of course, what he said was that the sins and wickedness of people in our nation are causing God to remove His hand of protection from our nation. Falwell and his ilk are the U.S.'s equivalent of the Taliban... fundamentalist fanatics who in reality are the farthest removed from the God they profess to follow than all the sinners that they condemn... I'd much rather spend Eternity in Hell with all the groups that these fundamentalist fanatics condemn than spend a moment in Heaven if it's filled with the like of Falwell and his ilk...or as Samuel Clemens, aka Mark Twain, once opined: Heaven for the scenery, Hell for the good conversation... Well, I am glad that is all cleared up because I had been taught all my life that God did indeed govern in the affairs of men and that whatsoever men sowed, they also reaped. And the Islamic fanatics also feel that God is protecting them, and that they are the only ones who are really enacting 'His will'...so who's right? I suggest that everyone dig out the old Bob Dylan song With God On Our Side I was also taught that America was founded as one nation under God. Whose God? Freedom OF religion also means we should have freedom FROM religion, if one so chooses... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Let's All Apologize
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/23/01 6:09:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was also taught that America was founded as one nation under God. Whose God? Yes, June. This has always been the problem, Whose God? The simplistic answer is, of course, why my god! BHoward A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Let's All Apologize
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Let's All Apologize By Chuck Baldwin September 21, 2001 What did Jerry Falwell say that was so awful? It must have been something terrible. After all, Pat Robertson, Cal Thomas, Rush Limbaugh, even President Bush vehemently condemned what he said. Whatever he said must have been truly nasty because he quickly apologized. I hope he is now back in the good graces of all concerned. Of course, what he said was that the sins and wickedness of people in our nation are causing God to remove His hand of protection from our nation. He specifically mentioned homosexuals, lesbians, feminists, and others. This swiftly brought the wrath of Christian leaders, not to mention the White House, down upon him. Well, I am glad that is all cleared up because I had been taught all my life that God did indeed govern in the affairs of men and that whatsoever men sowed, they also reaped. I was also taught that America was founded as one nation under God. In addition, I had previously been led to believe that righteousness exalted a nation and sin brought a nation to ruin. I am glad to learn, now, how wrong I was, while there is time to correct my misgivings. I am sure if George Washington were alive he, too, would want to apologize. After all, he once said, Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens. Of course, we now know that religion and morality have no bearing whatsoever upon human happiness and offer no support to political prosperity. Thomas Jefferson, too, would want to apologize today if he could. After all, he once said, And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever. Of course, we now know that there is no reason to tremble before a just God; He judges not nations nor holds them accountable for their sins. I am sure that Jonathan Edwards would like to retract his famous sermon that ignited the Great Awakening, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God. We now know that God never angers and that spiritual awakening is not even necessary. Yes, it is good to learn that we are on our own, that God is indifferent to our sin. It is good to know that those stories about Old Testament Israel hold no bearing for nations today. Yes, I take great comfort in realizing that all I had been taught is erroneous and irrelevant. Therefore, I, too, must apologize. I apologize to my children and to my church congregation. I apologize to my readers and to my radio audience. I have erred; I taught you what I was taught. Now we all know better. I wonder if God knows. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
