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-Caveat Lector- Taercel wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > From > http://www.newaus.com.au/news216nzrpt.html > > }}>Begin > Libertarians not welcome > in New Zealand > New Zealand > TNA News with Commentary > Saturday 23 March 2001 > > The following story was emailed to me recently under the heading, Is Libertarianism > a Crime? Knowing that there are many third world countries where advocating freedom > of the individual can be hazardous to your health, I was especially horrified to > read that this story in fact, happened in New Zealand. > > To explain; Jim Peron, a Libertarian writer from the USA, now residing and working > out of South Africa, applied to immigrate to New Zealand to open up a bookstore, a > libertarian publishing house and to open a new branch of the International Society > for International Liberty (ISIL). > > The Immigration Official declined the application ostensibly for two reasons: I have always loved and admired New Zealand. Now they have gone up through the stratosphere in my esteem. If their policy of keeping out Libertarian Riff Raff continues, I will start packing soon. Unfortunately, New Zealand's policy regarding Libertarians means that they will continue to reside in the US. The best thing about Libertarians is that there are so few of them. > 1) Mr Peron is not a key employee of ISIL since he does not yet hold the position in > New Zealand that needs to be filled. However, to get entry into New Zealand he must > already be employed. But to be employed he must gain entry into New Zealand. Catch > 22. > > 2) The Official argues that ISIL cannot apply as a relocating business because it > has non profit status in the USA. Yet the bookstore in New Zealand would be profit > making, as would be the publishing venture. And she refuses to divulge any other > category under which ISIL could apply. If her ruling stands then it would appear > that all non profit groups in the world are banned from New Zealand. > > The subsequent rejection of Mr Perons application was, of itself, not unusual. What > was, however, was the personal political summation behind the rejection. > > The Official who declined the application stated in her report that because ISIL is > a libertarian organization, this places a question mark over the desirability of > such an organization, and whether Mr Peron would be ineligible for residence because > of his association with such an organization. Outstanding!!! What sensible bureaucrats. They know undesirables when they see one. > Further, she has listed a number of > positions which she has used to support her views: Firstly, an ISIL conference had a > speaker talking about legalizing marijuana, secondly, ISIL produced a pamphlet > which: > > a) opposed censoring pornography, b) questioned the validity of gun control, and c) > supported a bill of rights. These are the positions listed by the official which > prove libertarians are radicals and not desirable for entry into New Zealand. The > Official continues: It (ISIL) is a radical libertarian organization that fosters > individual action, using their freely chosen strategies...where the guest speaker > speaking on civil disobedience as a marketing strategy. > > While Mr Peron is appealing his case, we should think about the dangerous precedence > this would set if his appeal was overturned. What dangerous precedence? You're SO presumptuous. > > Firstly, in declaring libertarianism undesirable in potential immigrants, New > Zealand would have also forbidden entry to all the American Founding Fathers, Great! What incredible good sense to keep those elitist plutocrats out. Look how they've ruined this country. > including Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine > and George Washington. We would have tossed out John Locke, Adam Smith and Henry > David Thoreau, and most certainly shown the door to such known radicals as > Frederick Bastiat, Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, Ludwig Von Mises and F.A. Hayek. I wish WE could have. These scum are the most evil, greedy, slimy, nasty, ruinous, Mammon worshipping elitist assholes ever. > And > no doubt, our officious bureaucrat in Immigration would be quick to point out how > this raffish group of individuals with their contumacious ideas have done nothing > but hinder the progress of a truly civilized society. > > Secondly, and all joking aside, Ha, ha, ha, ha, what joking? I would have thought that an individual willing to be > wholly responsibility for his own actions, contributing in a purposeful way to > society through the creation of jobs and wealth, and opposed to the use of force > upon others, would have been the perfect immigrant for any country. What philosophy are YOU talking about. You are really self dilusional. A peculiarly Libertarian trait. Something you have in common with Liberals. You both just can't understand why everyone else can't stand you. > It would be interesting to know just what this offi
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Libertarians not welcome
in New Zealand
New Zealand
TNA News with Commentary
Saturday 23 March 2001
The following story was emailed to me recently under the heading, Is Libertarianism
a Crime? Knowing that there are many third world countries where advocating freedom
of the individual can be hazardous to your health, I was especially horrified to
read that this story in fact, happened in New Zealand.
To explain; Jim Peron, a Libertarian writer from the USA, now residing and working
out of South Africa, applied to immigrate to New Zealand to open up a bookstore, a
libertarian publishing house and to open a new branch of the International Society
for International Liberty (ISIL).
The Immigration Official declined the application ostensibly for two reasons:
1) Mr Peron is not a key employee of ISIL since he does not yet hold the position in
New Zealand that needs to be filled. However, to get entry into New Zealand he must
already be employed. But to be employed he must gain entry into New Zealand. Catch
22.
2) The Official argues that ISIL cannot apply as a relocating business because it
has non profit status in the USA. Yet the bookstore in New Zealand would be profit
making, as would be the publishing venture. And she refuses to divulge any other
category under which ISIL could apply. If her ruling stands then it would appear
that all non profit groups in the world are banned from New Zealand.
The subsequent rejection of Mr Perons application was, of itself, not unusual. What
was, however, was the personal political summation behind the rejection.
The Official who declined the application stated in her report that because ISIL is
a libertarian organization, this places a question mark over the desirability of
such an organization, and whether Mr Peron would be ineligible for residence because
of his association with such an organization. Further, she has listed a number of
positions which she has used to support her views: Firstly, an ISIL conference had a
speaker talking about legalizing marijuana, secondly, ISIL produced a pamphlet
which:
a) opposed censoring pornography, b) questioned the validity of gun control, and c)
supported a bill of rights. These are the positions listed by the official which
prove libertarians are radicals and not desirable for entry into New Zealand. The
Official continues: It (ISIL) is a radical libertarian organization that fosters
individual action, using their freely chosen strategies...where the guest speaker
speaking on civil disobedience as a marketing strategy.
While Mr Peron is appealing his case, we should think about the dangerous precedence
this would set if his appeal was overturned.
Firstly, in declaring libertarianism undesirable in potential immigrants, New
Zealand would have also forbidden entry to all the American Founding Fathers,
including Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine
and George Washington. We would have tossed out John Locke, Adam Smith and Henry
David Thoreau, and most certainly shown the door to such known radicals as
Frederick Bastiat, Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, Ludwig Von Mises and F.A. Hayek. And
no doubt, our officious bureaucrat in Immigration would be quick to point out how
this raffish group of individuals with their contumacious ideas have done nothing
but hinder the progress of a truly civilized society.
Secondly, and all joking aside, I would have thought that an individual wiling to be
wholly responsibility for his own actions, contributing in a purposeful way to
society through the creation of jobs and wealth, and opposed to the use of force
upon others, would have been the perfect immigrant for any country.
It would be interesting to know just what this official does understand the word
libertarian to mean. If, upon enquiry, it was to be found that she does actually
have some understanding of the term, then the rejection of Mr Peron on the grounds
that libertarianism is undesirable is not only highly offensive to all thinking,
rational, freedom-loving men and women everywhere, but it should most certainly be
treated as a catalyst to stepping up pressure on a government that seems intent on
further reducing individuals freedom of movement, freedom of expression, freedom of
speech and their freedom of association.
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