[CTRL] OEN 7/11/99

1999-07-11 Thread Kris Millegan

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Today's Lesson From A Critique of Religion and Philosophy

 by
Walter Kaufmann

   Most men are born into their religion and accept it without
investigation. A study of other religions is generally considered irrelevant,
and a knowledge of
   one's own is rare. Most people know what they like without knowing
what they like.

   One picks and chooses, discounts some parts of the tradition, and
emphasizes others. But all this is usually done erratically and rather
irresponsibly.

   One inherits a religion like a house and makes some slight changes to
make it more comfortable. One keeps some old beliefs as one keeps old
pictures to
   which one is used from childhood: one does not really like them but
they seem to belong there; one is hardly conscious of them, but if they were
removed
   the house would no longer be our childhood home. But one also
believes, if only a little, without being at all sure in one's own mind what
these beliefs
   might mean. At that point irresponsibility begins: a belief that is
believed, even if only half, is no longer a picture, and it compromises
honesty if we
   treat it like a picture.

   We are responsible for our beliefs. We are also responsible for our
loyalties, even if they do not involve us in beliefs. Adherence to a religion
may be the
   choice of a vehicle for living, the acceptance of a tradition and a
way of life. But men who have left a lasting imprint on their religion are
rare indeed,
   and even they were usually more influenced by the tradition than they
influenced it. In general, the great religions have molded man; and after his
   childhood is over, a man is responsible for what he allows to mold
him.
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Russian Follies

   Russian Spies Penetrate NATO's Eastern
Front

  Files for
blackmailing politicians

  POLISH counter-intelligence has arrested three army officers on
charges of spying for Russia, as evidence grows that Moscow has established
  networks of agents on Nato's newly-created eastern front.

  Reports in Warsaw suggest all three were colonels in military
counter-intelligence, the nerve centre of Poland's armed forces. They were
unmasked
  by a Russian double agent "bought" by Polish intelligence.

  The arrests were made in the past two weeks, even though the Polish
authorities were first informed of the officers' alleged spying activities in
the
  early 1990s. The officers were left to continue in their jobs, but
were moved to less sensitive posts. Polish newspapers suggested that
intelligence
  chiefs postponed the arrests to protect the identity of their
Russian source.

  The military and the government have played down the significance
of the incident - the Prime Minister, Jerzy Buzek, last week claimed that two
of
  those detained had retired, while the third held no post with
access to important information - but public accusations of spying will
deepen Poland's
  longstanding enmity with Russia, still smarting from the expansion
of Nato into its former client states four months ago.

  But a different story was emerging elsewhere. A
counter-intelligence officer said he was shocked by what the officers were
alleged to have handed
  to Russia. He said: "It appears they would pass on everything they
knew, without hesitation." The chairman of parliament's secret service
  committee described two of the arrested men as key officers with
access to top-secret papers.

  The scandal is the most serious since communism's collapse 10 years
ago. Although there have been many accusations of treason in Poland, few
  spies have been caught. Jozef Oleksy resigned as prime minister
three years ago after an "imprudent" friendship with a KGB agent, but was
never
  prosecuted.

  Until the current case, the worst proved incident was when Polish
agents swooped on Major Marek Zielenski, a secret policeman, as he handed
  papers to a Russian military attaché in 1993. He was sentenced to
nine years.

  According to government spokesmen, the officers worked for the
Soviet Union until its collapse after the 1991 coup and then, without pause,
for
  Boris Yeltsin's new Russian state. All three were commissioned
during the communist era and were said to be motivated by pro-Russian
sentiment.

  They are untypical. Most Poles remain anti-Russian, pro-Western
sentiment is strong and intelligence ties are close. One of America's
greatest spies
  was the Polish Colonel Ryszard Kuklinski, who passed 300,000
classified documents to the CIA in the 1970s.

   

Re: [CTRL] OEN 7/11/99

1999-07-11 Thread Ric Carter

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 Today's Lesson From A Critique of Religion and Philosophy
 Most men are born into their religion and accept it without
 investigation.

If this model were valid, people wouldn't convert to new
religions - there'd be no Mormons, Moslems, Methodists,
we'd all be pantheists.  Fact: when conquerors sweep into
a region, they usually bring their belief systems along
with them, forcibly changing the thought patterns of
the conquered into their paradigm, their Dominant Heresy.
The various Xian, Moslem, Hindu, Communist sects are
mostly imposed, not inherited.

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Re: [CTRL] OEN 7/11/99

1999-07-11 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, Ric Carter wrote:

 If this model were valid, people wouldn't convert to new
 religions - there'd be no Mormons, Moslems, Methodists,
 we'd all be pantheists.  Fact: when conquerors sweep into
 a region, they usually bring their belief systems along
 with them, forcibly changing the thought patterns of
 the conquered into their paradigm, their Dominant Heresy.
 The various Xian, Moslem, Hindu, Communist sects are
 mostly imposed, not inherited.


Not so.  For example, take a look at the graves of the court
yards in Eastern Europe (I saw many approaching 15-17 hundrd
years old when I was there). Every 30-50 ft archaeologists dig
today (say in a castle's court on a cliff 500 ft above Lake Bled,
Yugoslavia) they find another set of graves representing the
people of about 200-300 years earlier.

Even though history written by that circa's ruler's paid
historians (as well as these rulers's official art, architecture,
poetry, literature, theatre, music, etc., etc.) invariable claim
their conquered people to have the same cultural and religious
beliefs as their current rulers ... it is OBVIOUS WITH EVEN A
CASUAL LOOK (i.e., at the peasant grave's dressing, preparation,
artifacts, orientation of the bodies, how children were burried
touching or in the arms of parents, etc., etc., etc., ALL SHOW
WITHOUT A DOUBT) that the people NEVER CHANGED, not in THOUSANDS
OF YEARS (dozens of dyanasties).

And remember, the people buried in the castle's court were THE
MOST LOYAL of that dynasty's.  IF ANY OF THE CONQUERED PEOPLE
would have been demonstrably practicing the cultures and
religious beliefs of their rulers (as most official historical
accounts would suggest), it would have been these that were
buried WITHIN SIGHT OF WINDOWS OF THE CASTLE ITSELF that would
have demonstrated such (i.e., the kings, rulers, etc., KNEW FULL
WELL/ALLOWED THEIR PEASANTS TO KEEP THEIR CULTURE/RELIGIONS...HAD
TO!).

Best,

Mike

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