Re: [CTRL] One More Excuse for Seizure of Property
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-01-22 22:18:35 EST, RoadsEnd writes: Interesting how a city administrative code supersedes the US Constitution . . . ? Go to sleep . . . its just a bad dream . . . and when one wakens, . . . what shall we find . . . ? MJ: What of those elderly and similarly impaired who cannot react or see well? What of those 'exhausted' individuals (recent study) who demonstrate LIKE characteristic to 'drunks'? What of those who should NOT have been licensed in the first place? Why discriminate AGAINST those who CHOOSE to drink? Unless they damage property WHAT crime has been exacted? Could be the next law will be if you get a traffic ticket... you won't get your property back unless you can prove you are innocent more money for the lawyers, more money for the cops, more money for the judges? Will the people of New York stand for this? You bet they will... should they? NO! They should petition and recall the politicians who passed this law... provided they haven't already passed a law prohibiting recall. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] One More Excuse for Seizure of Property
-Caveat Lector- Agent Smiley wrote: By DONNA DE LA CRUZ The Associated Press 01/21/99 8:10 PM Eastern NEW YORK (AP) -- Anyone arrested for driving drunk in New York City will have their cars seized and not given back unless they are acquitted of the charges, the police commissioner said Thursday. "There's nothing more serious to the innocent public than people who drive drunk," Commissioner Howard Safir said. The NYPD plans to implement its so-called "Zero Tolerance Drinking and Driving Initiative" within the next month, Safir said. He said New York is the first major city to implement such an initiative. Under the forfeiture provision in the city's administrative code, police can seize "instrumentalities of crime," Safir said. But the provision does not specifically say that police can seize cars from drunk drivers. "This is a creative use of a law designed to deal with instrumentalities of crime," Safir said. What a great idea! Why didn't they think of it sooner? I hope it's successful and spreads around the country. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] One More Excuse for Seizure of Property
-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Agent Smiley forwarded: The Associated Press NEW YORK (AP) -- Anyone arrested for driving drunk in New York City will have their cars seized and not given back unless they are acquitted of the charges, the police commissioner said Thursday. "There's nothing more serious to the innocent public than people who drive drunk," Commissioner Howard Safir said. snip MJ: What of those elderly and similarly impaired who cannot react or see well? Until their needs can be met a different way, the is no choice is there? What of those 'exhausted' individuals (recent study) who demonstrate LIKE characteristic to 'drunks'? What of those who should NOT have been licensed in the first place? What if my grandmother had balls? She'd probably be my grandfather. Why discriminate AGAINST those who CHOOSE to drink? Unless they damage property WHAT crime has been exacted? Regard$, --MJ Are you stupid beyond belief or what? What kind of phony comparisons are you trying to pull here? If you CHOOSE do drink, then CHOOSE to stay out of the driver's seat. If you CHOOSE to put my life at risk because you are a drunken fool, then I CHOOSE to empower the government to keep you off the road. Government has no other end but the preservation of Property. -- John Locke How about the preservation of life over the preservation of property? What a novel concept eh? Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] One More Excuse for Seizure of Property
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: Are you stupid beyond belief or what? What kind of phony comparisons are you trying to pull here? MJ: There are no phony comparisons -- THINK -- if you believe *I* am dangerous because *I* have gotten shitfaced drunk and gotten in a car and perform to Standard G ... and OTHER people who have NOT ingested alcohol perform at the EXACT SAME STANDARD (G) ... and you choose to do NOTHING to them, then this is as I charged. nurev wrote: If you CHOOSE do drink, then CHOOSE to stay out of the driver's seat. If you CHOOSE to put my life at risk because you are a drunken fool, then I CHOOSE to empower the government to keep you off the road. MJ: I own many kitchen utensils, shop tools, camping/hiking paraphernalia, etc. I *COULD* do damage to you at anytime (not to mention I could simply run you over with the car in a sober state) ... how are you protected? If I am drunk, drive my car obeying ALL of the current 'rules of the road' in an otherwise safe manner ... how has my level of intoxication put you at risk -- merely for being in such a state? Government has no other end but the preservation of Property. -- John Locke nurev wrote: How about the preservation of life over the preservation of property? What a novel concept eh? MJ: One's LIFE *IS* property. Regard$, --MJ Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has any right to but himself. The labor of his body and the work of his hands are properly his. -- John Locke, 1690 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] One More Excuse for Seizure of Property
-Caveat Lector- Agent Smiley wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/23/99 10:29:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you CHOOSE do drink, then CHOOSE to stay out of the driver's seat. If you CHOOSE to put my life at risk because you are a drunken fool, then I CHOOSE to empower the government to keep you off the road. You're missing the point. It's not that such acts are irresponsible. It's that YOUR tax dollars are going to a bunch of gluttons that are looking for every way possible to take what you have, using funds provided by YOU. I understand the point. What I'm saying is that in this case I DON'T MIND. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] One More Excuse for Seizure of Property
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/22/99 3:30:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Under the forfeiture provision in the city's administrative code, Interesting how a city administrative code supersedes the US Constitution . . . ? Go to sleep . . . its just a bad dream . . . and when one wakens, . . . what shall we find . . . ? Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] One More Excuse for Seizure of Property
-Caveat Lector- Agent Smiley forwarded: The Associated Press NEW YORK (AP) -- Anyone arrested for driving drunk in New York City will have their cars seized and not given back unless they are acquitted of the charges, the police commissioner said Thursday. "There's nothing more serious to the innocent public than people who drive drunk," Commissioner Howard Safir said. snip MJ: What of those elderly and similarly impaired who cannot react or see well? What of those 'exhausted' individuals (recent study) who demonstrate LIKE characteristic to 'drunks'? What of those who should NOT have been licensed in the first place? Why discriminate AGAINST those who CHOOSE to drink? Unless they damage property WHAT crime has been exacted? Regard$, --MJ Government has no other end but the preservation of Property. -- John Locke DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
