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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 3:15:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > For instance, Lebenon was once known for its forests. I > understand that has greatly changed. Many other areas of the earth have > also been depleted. I believe this was the case in many parts of the > "New World" even before the arrival of the "white man" The Semites of the Near East are caucasian. You are apparently thinking European and saying white. Jerry DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 1/4/99 11:26:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > In reality, it was the Southern soldiers who were fighting for the > > principle of self-government. > > Is there anything so jaw dropping inexplicable than the few who attempt to > make the South out as a victim of the North over the Civil War? There are > "shrines" to Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson. Take a tour of the South > and your ear will be bent by a guide babbling about how cruel the Yankees were > at Vicksburg. Listening to them, one would never guess that the South was run > by a gang of slavers who do not at all correspond to those portrayed in Gone > With the Wind as kindly masters taking loving care of some child like people. > > Of course, things are complicated and there were many decent Christian > Southerners who smuggled slaves, spied on Southern military units, and > sabotaged when possible. There were right-wing Northerners who spoke and > acted for the South. There were slave holding prosperous free blacks in the > South. There were a few slave holders who did treat their slaves with some > shred of fairness considering the relationship. The real point is that every > son of the South who involves himself in discussions about the Civil War > should get down on his knees and thank God that the Union won the war thereby > freeing both slave and "free" Southerner. > I was born and raised in Michigan. Most of my ancestors were in Europe at the time, though I believe one was an doctor in the Union army. However, I have lived in Atlanta since I was 15 so it may be charged that I am not neutral on this. (Interestingly, many of my friends who are the descendents of slave owners and Confederate soldiers probably believe as you). After many years of study (especially through input from a black friend of mine and observation of southerners of both races over the past thirty plus years) I have come to the conclusion that the nation and the south and even the black population of the south would probably have been better off if Lincoln had not forced the south through military means back into the union. (And, I believe that slavery probably would have ended within 20 years and subsequent relations between the races would have been much better). I believe now that the "Civil War" was mainly caused by the tariff question and only exasperated by the slave issue. (Lincoln in his first inaugural address invites the south back into the union with slavery, but paying tariffs). These tariffs were designed to benefit the northern manufacturers and helped to create the "robber barrons". The post "Civil War" result was great hardship on both the white and black races in the south. To say that the "every son of the South who involves himself in discussions about the Civil War should get down on his knees and thank God that the Union won the war thereby freeing both slave and "free" Southerner" shows a complete lack of knowledge about the war and its effects. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men an...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 1:16:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > To your list that includes "capitalism," you might also add, > "communism, socialism, facism, witchcraft, imperialism, sickness, disease, > famine, > and pestilence. Put slavery at the top of the list. This sorry practice manages to demean both practitioner and victim. Jerry DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men an...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 11:26:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > In reality, it was the Southern soldiers who were fighting for the > principle of self-government. Is there anything so jaw dropping inexplicable than the few who attempt to make the South out as a victim of the North over the Civil War? There are "shrines" to Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson. Take a tour of the South and your ear will be bent by a guide babbling about how cruel the Yankees were at Vicksburg. Listening to them, one would never guess that the South was run by a gang of slavers who do not at all correspond to those portrayed in Gone With the Wind as kindly masters taking loving care of some child like people. Of course, things are complicated and there were many decent Christian Southerners who smuggled slaves, spied on Southern military units, and sabotaged when possible. There were right-wing Northerners who spoke and acted for the South. There were slave holding prosperous free blacks in the South. There were a few slave holders who did treat their slaves with some shred of fairness considering the relationship. The real point is that every son of the South who involves himself in discussions about the Civil War should get down on his knees and thank God that the Union won the war thereby freeing both slave and "free" Southerner. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
