Re: [CTRL] Relativity or are Republicans evil?
-Caveat Lector- Stop and think about it.seven (7) million illegal Mexican immigrants in this country - enough to control any election? How many illegal immigrants from Cuba and Mexico in Florida all voting and you see the Clionton Gore strategy and the theft of a nation. Isn't it enough Americans have recently lost another 100,000 good paying jobs = and I cannot get over even Huffy bicycles moving to Mexico. Televisions made in Mexico and China - I had a Zenith go bad in less than a year - made in Mexico...and then I bought another one which fortunately was hit by lightning some years laterand I got a new one but it was made in America... So they have cheap labor coming into this country and cheap labor in China and Mexico and what I love are the immigrants who are now primarily food handlers while disease spreads. 7 million illegal Mexican immigrants which government now wants to legalize rather than ship back..so now will the blacks and Mexicans have a war to see who can murder the most whites in a week? They are off to good start.two blacks just kids just murdered 6 or 7 people in Wichita, raping and torturing some of victims.and then McDermott who was not Scotch but Mexican - who murdered 7 people.so has Jesse and the Democrats loosed these killers on the whites? So keep your powder dry - be careful when eating out for as Jesse jackson said he loved to spit in the food cooked for white people..yet he fears to walk down a street in a black neighborhoo - even though they are, his kind of peple. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Relativity or are Republicans evil?
-Caveat Lector- who goes golfing 800 miles away as his daughter recovers from emergency surgery Actually, he was fishing. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Relativity or are Republicans evil?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/11/01 11:48:08 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: who goes golfing 800 miles away as his daughter recovers from emergency surgery Actually, he was fishing.=20 Actually, he was golfing and fishing. http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/12/26/bush.vacation/ Bush's vacation: Golf, fishing, and work December 26, 2000 Web posted at: 5:58 p.m. EST (2258 GMT) AUSTIN, Texas (CNN) -- President-elect George W. Bush spent the day after Christmas in Boca Grande, a Florida island resort in the Gulf Coast, where he began a brief golfing and fishing vacation with his parents and siblings, all the while staying close to a telephone so he might continue his ongoing transition consultations. The president-elect departed the Texas capital, Austin at mid-morning, bound first for Houston, where Bush's parents -- former President George Bush and his wife Barbara -- waited to be retrieved so they might attend the Florida gathering. The plane then headed to Punta Gorda, Florida, before the clan began its short drive to Boca Grande. An interesting subplot to what should be a quiet holiday-week gathering involved the first face-to-face encounter between the brothers Bush. Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the president-elect's younger brother, attended the family celebrations in Boca Grande, marking the first time the two have seen each other since the 36-day Florida recount ordeal drew to a close. George W., Jeb, brothers Marvin and Neil and their father, all enjoyed a brisk round of golf at midafternoon Tuesday. All of the Bush men, in shirtsleeves, laughed and joked their way through an easygoing game, all within earshot of curious onlookers. The president-elect even clowned a bit for nearby cameras after a sinking a particularly tricky shot. MESSAGE BOARD Presidential transition The vacation was expected to come to a quick end, with Bush scheduled to travel to Washington on Thursday to interview more potential Cabinet appointees, and presumably make some new announcements and introductions. The incoming Republican chief executive said Tuesday morning as he boarded his plane that the trip, though it was to be packed with boating, fishing and family get-togethers, would also be crammed with telephone consultations, and his daily intelligence briefings. Time is growing short, Bush said, and with the clock ticking down toward Inauguration Day on January 20, every moment counts as Bush and his most trusted advisors seek to build up his new administration. "We've made great progress up to now. I'm proud of how our team has really come together and done a great job in a short period of time," he told reporters Tuesday. Bush was expected to stay in close consultation with his chief of staff designee Andrew Card, and with Vice President-elect Dick Cheney, who is leading his transition team in Washington. Among the announcements expected to be made late in the week is the nomination of Wisconsin Republican Gov. Tommy Thompson as secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services. Thompson's selection was revealed by a number of sources close to Bush late last week, but the governor wanted to take a previously scheduled Christmas vacation before stepping forward to accept the nomination. Bush is at the half-way point as he assembles his Cabinet. Seven picks have been made, with seven yet to go. Former Indiana Sen. Dan Coats was thought to be a frontrunner for Defense Secretary, but sources have indicated that Bush wishes to continue his search. They also say that the former Texas governor may be close to making his selection for Education secretary. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Relativity or are Republicans evil?
-Caveat Lector- Actually, he was golfing and fishing. Worse. What a cold blooded guy. I'm sure glad he's not MY dad. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Relativity or are Republicans evil?
-Caveat Lector- Blind, blind, blind. AALLL WWONNN On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:16:30 EST "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Online Journal - http://www.onlinejournal.com 01-10-01: Relativity or are Republicans evil? (Or do they just act that way?) By Michael Hammerschlag January 10, 2001 | There was a point in this terrible election where it became all clear, like a B W photo in developer, that they were going to get away with it-that the Republicans would manage to stop the recount and force their man into the White House.. against all reason, facts, and fairness. That point was when Bob Dole and Christine Whitman, moderates of whom one might have expected a dollop of justice, paraded down to Florida and added their voices to the congealed impervious mass of Republicans parroting the amazing lie that humans couldn't fairly count votes . . . though we had managed quite well for 200 years. It was a betrayal of integrity, of honesty, of decency, that left one breathless in its audacity. Wasn't there one Republican who had any bedrock respect for our constitutional principles, who had any principles beyond their own party's self-promotion, who would publicly speak out against this intellectual violence? As in the impeachment, apparently not. A candidate that had campaigned on "bringing back integrity" endorsed the most cynical untruth possible, one that dwarfed Monica. Republicans mobilized every branch of government in their service- it was total war, while Democrats wrung their hands, and pundits relentless pressured the winner (by one-third million votes then) to concede. If Katherine Harris couldn't deliver Florida by her machinations (ordering supervisors to stop legitimate hand counts, throwing thousands of out-of-state innocent "felons" off the rolls-30 percent of all blacks), then maybe the Fl Supreme Court. or US Court of Appeals would (they didn't). If not them, the Florida legislature prepared to usurp their own voters; will in the most naked abuse of power we have seen in ages. If not them, the Supreme Court prepared to throw out every principle they espoused to cobble together a decision so shoddy that every American election in history would be invalidated by its application. For the Bushmen, losing was not an option. But if losing wasn't an option, then this wasn't an election and we aren't a democracy-which brings us back to the conundrum of preventing a fair recount. Future eons of schoolchildren will ask, "Why did people let this happen?" Simply, the Democrats didn't care enough, and the Republicans were willing to do anything to win. Add 98 million couch potatoes who couldn't get off theirs' to vote. And pundits just didn't like Al. Democracy and our entire electoral process rely on good will, on public-spirited decency far more than people realize. Election officials (which I've been a couple of times) aren't supposed to be impartial, indeed, they aren't allowed to be impartial-you must be a member of one of the two parties to be a poll worker. The theory is of balanced power and a passionate interest, but in practice, it often relies on people to: 'due unto others as you would have them (lest they) do unto you.' If this overweening principle collapses far enough, the entire system breaks down and isn't easily reconstitutable, which is why all-out political war is rightly feared by many. In this election, the Bush forces shredded that principle and demonstrated a deep contempt for democracy. If conditions had been reversed and Bush was ahead by 700 votes, do you think for one second that Gore would have opposed recounting the votes? He is such a civic stickler that he wouldn't even let the black reps talk about their motion to contest Florida electors when the Loser-in-Chief was certified the victor Saturday. The Republicans have been fighting no-holds-barred for 20 years now, since 1980, Reagan, Terry Dolan, and NCPAC; and almost rabidly since Clinton's ascension. Democrats, however, have maintained a befuddled civility as if they couldn't quite understand why the Republicans hated them so much, as the Republicans-fueled by hate radio-became dominated by extremists and fringe fundamentalists. Nothing demonstrated this vicious hatred better than the demonstrators picketing and harassing the vice president at his home to "get out of Dick Cheney's house," as the presidency was corruptly and violently ripped from his pocket. At some point hatred and lies must be classified in their larger category: evil. Politics all involves some damage to the truth, but when one repeats an egregious lie over and over, until half the country repeats (or believes) that untruth, you haven't just damaged the system, you've damaged the very language and changed the firmament on which the system sits. And nothing is ever the same again. It's
Re: [CTRL] Relativity or are Republicans evil?
-Caveat Lector- Online Journal - http://www.onlinejournal.com 01-10-01: Relativity or are Republicans evil? (Or do they just act that way?) By Michael Hammerschlag January 10, 2001 | There was a point in this terrible election where it became all clear, like a B W photo in developer, that they were going to get away with it-that the Republicans would manage to stop the recount and force their man into the White House.. against all reason, facts, and fairness. That point was when Bob Dole and Christine Whitman, moderates of whom one might have expected a dollop of justice, paraded down to Florida and added their voices to the congealed impervious mass of Republicans parroting the amazing lie that humans couldn't fairly count votes . . . though we had managed quite well for 200 years. It was a betrayal of integrity, of honesty, of decency, that left one breathless in its audacity. Wasn't there one Republican who had any bedrock respect for our constitutional principles, who had any principles beyond their own party's self-promotion, who would publicly speak out against this intellectual violence? As in the impeachment, apparently not. A candidate that had campaigned on "bringing back integrity" endorsed the most cynical untruth possible, one that dwarfed Monica. Republicans mobilized every branch of government in their service- it was total war, while Democrats wrung their hands, and pundits relentless pressured the winner (by one-third million votes then) to concede. If Katherine Harris couldn't deliver Florida by her machinations (ordering supervisors to stop legitimate hand counts, throwing thousands of out-of-state innocent "felons" off the rolls-30 percent of all blacks), then maybe the Fl Supreme Court. or US Court of Appeals would (they didn't). If not them, the Florida legislature prepared to usurp their own voters; will in the most naked abuse of power we have seen in ages. If not them, the Supreme Court prepared to throw out every principle they espoused to cobble together a decision so shoddy that every American election in history would be invalidated by its application. For the Bushmen, losing was not an option. But if losing wasn't an option, then this wasn't an election and we aren't a democracy-which brings us back to the conundrum of preventing a fair recount. Future eons of schoolchildren will ask, "Why did people let this happen?" Simply, the Democrats didn't care enough, and the Republicans were willing to do anything to win. Add 98 million couch potatoes who couldn't get off theirs' to vote. And pundits just didn't like Al. Democracy and our entire electoral process rely on good will, on public-spirited decency far more than people realize. Election officials (which I've been a couple of times) aren't supposed to be impartial, indeed, they aren't allowed to be impartial-you must be a member of one of the two parties to be a poll worker. The theory is of balanced power and a passionate interest, but in practice, it often relies on people to: 'due unto others as you would have them (lest they) do unto you.' If this overweening principle collapses far enough, the entire system breaks down and isn't easily reconstitutable, which is why all-out political war is rightly feared by many. In this election, the Bush forces shredded that principle and demonstrated a deep contempt for democracy. If conditions had been reversed and Bush was ahead by 700 votes, do you think for one second that Gore would have opposed recounting the votes? He is such a civic stickler that he wouldn't even let the black reps talk about their motion to contest Florida electors when the Loser-in-Chief was certified the victor Saturday. The Republicans have been fighting no-holds-barred for 20 years now, since 1980, Reagan, Terry Dolan, and NCPAC; and almost rabidly since Clinton's ascension. Democrats, however, have maintained a befuddled civility as if they couldn't quite understand why the Republicans hated them so much, as the Republicans-fueled by hate radio-became dominated by extremists and fringe fundamentalists. Nothing demonstrated this vicious hatred better than the demonstrators picketing and harassing the vice president at his home to "get out of Dick Cheney's house," as the presidency was corruptly and violently ripped from his pocket. At some point hatred and lies must be classified in their larger category: evil. Politics all involves some damage to the truth, but when one repeats an egregious lie over and over, until half the country repeats (or believes) that untruth, you haven't just damaged the system, you've damaged the very language and changed the firmament on which the system sits. And nothing is ever the same again. It's been so in every dictatorship, as rulers conditioned their people to accept constantly rising levels of outrage, of violence, of enemies-internal and external-that must be warred against. And this lie involved the voting that's the very basis of democracy. The next
