[CTRL] SNET: Guns (fwd)

2000-04-19 Thread William Bacon

visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:54:33 -0700
From: Lynford Theobald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Eagles of Ephraim [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 SNET [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SNET: Guns

-  SNETNEWS  Mailing List

Folks, I just received this from my friend Jim and thought you might be
interested. It would seems that those who want to take away our guns
have an agenda other than keeping up safe.

Lynn

Subject: Guns

I thought you might be interested in these facts:
www.gunowners.org
Mar 1999

  FIREARMS FACT-SHEET
(1999)

  by Gun Owners Foundation
  8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102
 Springfield, VA 22151

Self-defense

A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they
inflict

* Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals
as many as 2.5 million times
every year -- or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year,
firearms are used more than 60
times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take
lives.2

* Of the 2.5 million self-defense cases, as many as 200,000 are by women
defending themselves against
sexual abuse.3

* Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do
every year (1,527 to 606).4 And
readers of Newsweek learned in 1993 that "only 2 percent of civilian
shootings involved an innocent
person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The "error rate" for the
police, however, was 11 percent,
more than five times as high."5

* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves
every year, the overwhelming
majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off
their attackers. Less than 8% of
the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.6

* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use
handguns to protect themselves over
1.9 million times a year.7 Many of these self-defense handguns could be
labeled as "Saturday Night
Specials."

B. Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

* One-half million self-defense uses. Every year, as many as one-half
million citizens
defend themselves with a firearm away from home.8

* Florida. In the ten years following the passage of Florida's concealed
carry law in 1987, there
were 478,248 people who received permits to carry firearms.9 FBI reports
show that the homicide rate in
Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell
39% during that 10-year period.
The Florida rate is now far below the national average.10

* Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of
Florida. A citizen in
the Sunshine State is almost twice as likely to be attacked by an
alligator than to be assaulted by a
concealed carry holder. During the first ten years that the Florida law
was in effect, alligator attacks
outpaced the number of crimes committed by carry holders by a 146 to 88
margin.11

* Nationwide. A comprehensive national study determined in 1996 that
violent crime fell after
states made it legal to carry concealed firearms. The results of the
study showed:

 * States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder
rate by 8.5%, rapes by
 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%;12 and

 * If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such
laws in 1992, then
 approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated
assaults and over 11,000
 robberies would have been avoided yearly.13

* Concealed Carry v. Waiting Period Laws. In 1976, both Georgia and
Wisconsin
tried two different approaches to fighting crime. Georgia enacted
legislation making it easier for
citizens to carry guns for self-defense, while Wisconsin passed a law
requiring a 48 hour waiting period
before the purchase of a handgun. What resulted during the ensuing
years? Georgia's law served as a
deterrent to criminals and helped drop its homicide rate by 21 percent.
Wisconsin's murder rate,
however, rose 33 percent during the same period.14

C. Criminals avoid armed citizens

* Kennesaw, GA. In 1982, this suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring
heads of households to
keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate
subsequently dropped 89% in
Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole.15

* Ten years later (1991), the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was
still 72% lower than it had
been in 1981, before the law was passed.16

* Nationwide. Statistical comparisons with other countries show that
burglars in the United
States are far less apt to enter an occupied home than their foreign
counterparts who live in countries
where fewer civilians own firearms. Consider the following rates showing
how often a homeowner is
present when a burglar strikes:

 * Homeowner occupancy rate in the gun control countries of Great

Re: [CTRL] SNET: Guns (fwd)

2000-04-19 Thread Bob Stokes

In a message dated 00-04-19 15:56:19 EDT, you write:

 * Guns are not the problem. On the contrary, lax criminal penalties and
 laws that disarm the law-abiding
 are responsible for giving criminals a safer working environment.

We can thank the present administration for not vigorously enforcing existing
laws.  We can also thank the Courts-Lawyer-System for making deals with
criminals and having them plead guilty to a much lesser crime than they
committed.  Criminals have no respect for laws or anything else and the
biggest criminals are not even prosecuted at all - government/corporations.

 * Los Angeles riots -- USA Today reported that many of the people
 rushing to gun stores during
 the 1992 riots were "lifelong gun-control advocates, running to buy an
 item they thought they'd never
 need." Ironically, they were outraged to discover they had to wait 15
 days to buy a gun for self-defense.

I wonder if this changed their minds?  How many of these people were killed,
wounded, or terrorized because they were not armed?

 * Press reports show that the few criminals who get their guns from
 retail outlets can easily get fake
 IDs or use surrogate buyers, known as "straw purchasers," to buy their
 guns.

On a bright note - guns shows occasionally catch criminals.  In a Colorado
Springs gun show a few weeks ago a murderer who had escaped from Arizona was
buying a handgun from a dealer and filled out the application using his own
name.  He waited over an hour while the ATF came from Denver and arrested
him.  Surely a nomination for world's dumbest criminal.

 * Federal Bureau of Investigation registers gun owners (1998). Despite
 prohibitions in federal law, the FBI announced that it would begin
 keeping gun buyer's names for six
 months. FBI had originally wanted to keep the names for 18 months, but
 reduced the time period after
 groups like Gun Owners of America strongly challenged the legality of
 their actions. GOA submitted a
 formal protest to the FBI, calling their attempt at registration both
 "unlawful" and "unconstitutional."

Gun registration is a dangerous thing.  Gun confiscation is the goal.  Anyone
who is an anti-gunner should be called pro-criminal.

 * California. State officials have used the state background check --
 required during the waiting
 period -- to compile an illegal registry of handgun owners. These lists
 have been compiled without any
 statutory authority to do so.

Get the picture - government is the true enemy.  Be smart buy an unregistered
gun, it is legal in most States.  If they don't know you have a gun they will
be less likely to take it away.

 1. The Brady Law has failed to result in the incarceration of dangerous
 criminals. After the first year and a half, there were only seven
 successful prosecutions for making
 false statements on Brady handgun purchase forms -- and only three of
 them were actually
 incarcerated.50 With only three criminals sent to jail, one can hardly
 argue that the law is working to
 keep violent criminals from getting handguns on the street.

I wonder how much money was wasted passing this law.  If the current
administration would enforce this law and jail people who try to illegally
purchase guns, then the streets would be safer because more habitual
criminals would be behind bars where they belong.  Obviously Clinton and his
goons want to keep criminals on the streets hoping people will be stupid
enough to demand more protection "from guns" rather than "from criminals" how
can people be that stupid?  Yet people still support Clinton, some people are
not too bright.


  asked the Attorney General whether his SKS Sporter rifle would be legal
in the
 state. The citizen was assured the
 rifle was legal, and based on that information, he subsequently moved
 into the state. But in 1998,
 California officials reversed course and confiscated the firearm.

Don't move to Calif. Don't believe what the government tells you, they have
an agenda that does not include you.

Regards,
Bob Stokes

A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion  informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are sordid
matters
and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 A HREF="http:[EMAIL