Re: [CTRL] Stealing an Election
-Caveat Lector- Ugh, what a black-hearted, ugly woman you are. You rail about Lincoln, yet laud Hitler? I guess God does make mistakes, your brains are as scrambled as they come. If you could only know how stupid you sound, woman, you would shut the hell up! Get some education, girl! Aleisha/Colleen Jones babbles: Lincoln's butchers put the grandson of Francis Scott Key in jail because he along with the other city fathers in Baltimore refused to sign a loyalty oath to the barbarian Lincoln. Maryland, was the mother state of our family - and it is said Booth (john Wilkes) headed for Maryland and made it - and I hope he did. The story I enjoyed the most is the one where the assassination of Lincoln was planned by his insane wife, who paid for the hit Honest Abe - remember he was a lawyer who didn't even pass a bar examination..he split rails like he split this country - with an ax He was not a gentleman - he got in with spiritualists...he had dreams about his death and without a doubt had picked up the thoughts of his wife - for someone close to him indeed planned his murder. A House Divided Cannot Stand..that is from the bible, and the credit line for this, is given to Lincoln. How many people died because of this assassin From CBNnow web-based E-mail, part of the growing CBNnow web presence. CBNnow, your source for news, information, and inspiration in the new millenium. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stealing an Election
-Caveat Lector- i was also quite surprised to see lincoln condemned so fully... my only real knowledge of him comes from vidal's biographical novel of him- potrayed as the last sincere president- and also the president who was coerced into mentioning the xtian god in an address against his will pretty much. can't remember the detail of that- maybe someone else does? but i know vidal however radical he is - and however much i like his novels and essays- he is still part f the families of power - so maybe i should rethink his attitude to lincoln. maybe not... but if lincoln was a shitbag (i am still not convinced) then i will be a bit sad as he seemed pretty cool. - Original Message - From: "Vera Harper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 December 2000 04:40 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stealing an Election -Caveat Lector- Ugh, what a black-hearted, ugly woman you are. You rail about Lincoln, yet laud Hitler? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Well Boo Hoo...do you believe Lincoln wrote over a million words? History Channel just did a big blurp on him and revealed what he was really like...he freed the slaves? No, he turned them loose upon the South and after the Civil War Genenral Nathan Bedford Forrest formed a Klan to protect the whites from the butchers - rather like south Africa. The history of who and what brought the slaves to American is very enlightening.. Now if the Civil War was truly over "civil rights" for Ubangies - why do we still have millionaire Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton screaming for rioting in the streets and Black Panthers carrying Uzzis within shootiong distance of Mrs. Bush in an attempt to frighten her off.' Look what England has done to Ireland for over 500 years.the only guy who made money over there was DeLorean and if he had built his plant in England he would still be thriving...an old friend of mine helped DeLorean beat that rap - he had a brain (Gordon Novel).. So the English - well once England was something specialmy brother in law served at what I called High Wycombebomber pilot.ent me a complete Hogarth Collection over 200 years old when JFK killedit was there I saw the assassins great grandfather - John Wilkes Booth - and John Wilkes, old Liberty, Fraternity, and Equality - had loosed his mob as Lincoln loosed the slaves .. Does Thomas Crapper still have his business going - he sold the Queen her john .. So much for England - under Blair we see reflection of Clintonthink Oxford ever really considered hiring Clinton? Anyway all those people mourning over the little Princess - one would think they would have wanted to check out a few things they loved her so much...she was rather common thougoh, this people's princess..Dodi Fayed seems to be the only avenger of the blood royal. More power to Dodi - And when you look at some of those old BMEWS and Missile siites my brother in law spent 7 years over there lived in a big house with stables and solarium - bought a real suit of armour and a grandfather's clock made in 1500 period - on Pinkney Green and boy, those hired help of the Queen used to give my sister some good court gossip.Remember when JFK was murdered, people at a party including the Queen's cousin, the Countess who married the Eaton - cheeredcould never tell you how we got even for even today, they would still bust her husband if the "brits" only knew. Good luck BooHoo..I hear you crying, too bad no tears for the little murdered baby and I bet that little girl does need two bar stools by now upon which to sit. You know they did steal Paul Whitehead's heart or are you really from UK? Ever visit old Hells Fire Caves understand latest Dashwood opened up some years ago. When you look at England - I think they seem to get involved in the wars, and we pay the price...nothing personal, old chap. Saba aka any damn name I choose to use. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stealing an Election
-Caveat Lector- hi aleisha old chappess ;) i am afraid i am scottish- not english, so i can laugh with you at the things you say about them- i have no love for them- my blood is mixed with english/ irish and a little bit of english. i don't shed a tear for the baby- or the nanny- but especially not the parents- just another group tragedy amongst millions. i think your sensitivities are selective to suit an argument- typical woman?- probably up in arms at the insinuation, maybe not- you seem terribly traditional when it suits you sometimes. quite right. lincoln? i was genuinely interested that soimething i had thought before had been changed- i hold no candle to him- i was surprised in the first place that there was a president i could sympathise with- didn't expect to actually. so you don't need to be so scathing (i am a sensitive soul y'see) with your putdown about lincoln. but to describe the institution of the kkk as a defence force to protect the whites against a band of savages is dismal of you. yes england has thoroughly thrashed eire in the last 500 years- it is indefensible- but why did you bring it up? diana? diana who? it was america that pandered to her, made her. we have this tradition in the UK see? where we build them and knock them down as fast. she was a bimbo who reinvented herself as someone who cares- all falsehood (no surprise you say) and PR. it was disgusting to see the scenes after her death- and most people are now embaressed to be reminded of it. why do america have hollywood? to emulate the pissy royals. the wish to have unelected betters is peculiar. the real sustained multigenerational familes in america are quiet, like ours, behind the scenes. but you know this. you make refernce to your involvement often. it was dodi who died with her. do you mean his father? as corrupt as they come that one- avenger of himself and no-one else. and when has your country paid the price for UK wars. i mean, we are really keen on pretending to be a world power- but we paid the US back after the war- i don't think america has been shortchanged that way at all. we are after all- the 51st of the USA, kissing cousins even. ;) *mwah* craig - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 January 2001 12:03 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stealing an Election -Caveat Lector- Well Boo Hoo...do you believe Lincoln wrote over a million words? History Channel just did a big blurp on him and revealed what he was really like...he freed the slaves? No, he turned them loose upon the South and after the Civil War Genenral Nathan Bedford Forrest formed a Klan to protect the whites from the butchers - rather like south Africa. The history of who and what brought the slaves to American is very enlightening.. Now if the Civil War was truly over "civil rights" for Ubangies - why do we still have millionaire Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton screaming for rioting in the streets and Black Panthers carrying Uzzis within shootiong distance of Mrs. Bush in an attempt to frighten her off.' Look what England has done to Ireland for over 500 years.the only guy who made money over there was DeLorean and if he had built his plant in England he would still be thriving...an old friend of mine helped DeLorean beat that rap - he had a brain (Gordon Novel).. So the English - well once England was something specialmy brother in law served at what I called High Wycombebomber pilot.ent me a complete Hogarth Collection over 200 years old when JFK killedit was there I saw the assassins great grandfather - John Wilkes Booth - and John Wilkes, old Liberty, Fraternity, and Equality - had loosed his mob as Lincoln loosed the slaves .. Does Thomas Crapper still have his business going - he sold the Queen her john .. So much for England - under Blair we see reflection of Clintonthink Oxford ever really considered hiring Clinton? Anyway all those people mourning over the little Princess - one would think they would have wanted to check out a few things they loved her so much...she was rather common thougoh, this people's princess..Dodi Fayed seems to be the only avenger of the blood royal. More power to Dodi - And when you look at some of those old BMEWS and Missile siites my brother in law spent 7 years over there lived in a big house with stables and solarium - bought a real suit of armour and a grandfather's clock made in 1500 period - on Pinkney Green and boy, those hired help of the Queen used to give my sister some good court gossip.Remember when JFK was murdered, people at a party including the Queen's cousin, the Countess who married the Eaton - cheeredcould never tell you how we got even for even today, they would still bust her husband if the "brits" only knew. Good luck BooHoo..I hear you crying, too bad no tears for the l
Re: [CTRL] Stealing an Election
-Caveat Lector- Kissing cousins - you a Mason (just kidding BooHoo). So Scotch and Irish - what else can one ask. My reference to this Nanny thing - the trial was put on TV and there were those ready to run an make a fast buck - but it did not work. Movies are the secret link between the police and government..propaganda tools...and TV, well I can still see Michael Jackson tip toeing with the kiddies on the stage - and Rosie O'Donnell playing with the kiddies on PBS with our Big Bird. I meant Mohammed bit Al Fayed - he is probably black hand but have read where he descended from ancient Pharaoh. So you are from Scotland? And part Irish.you must be a fine gentleman. We had McGregors in our line - they were so bad the government of England took their name away.in 1954 there about, the Queen gave them their name back..could belong to Heather Society and the Barons of Runymead and someday might join. So good luck BooHoo - thought Demon County was in England? Does the piper still play over Loch Ness during times of alert? O'Saba A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Stealing an Election
-Caveat Lector- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Recipient list suppressed Subject: Stealing an Election Date: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 1:05 AM ~~for educational purposes only~~ [Title 17 U.S.C. section 107] Stealing an Election by Joseph Sobran Both the major parties have been accusing each other of trying to "steal" the presidential election in Florida. But this mess is a clean process indeed compared to one that occurred in Maryland in 1861. In May 1861 the Civil War was already raging. President Abraham Lincoln called on Maryland to send four regiments to fight for the Union cause. But the state was bitterly divided over the war. Most Marylanders didn't want their state to secede, but neither did they favor war. It is widely forgotten that a large body of American opinion held that the Confederate States had every right to secede from the Union and thought they should be allowed to go in peace. But to Lincoln, this view was "treason." By Lincoln's definition, most Americans, not just Southerners, probably qualified as traitors. The Maryland state legislature replied to Lincoln's summons for troops with a resolution condemning the war as "unconstitutional and repugnant to civilization," adding that "for the sake of humanity we are for peace and reconciliation, and solemnly protest against this war, and will take no part in it." The legislature also called "the present military occupation of Maryland" a "flagrant violation of the Constitution." Lincoln was infuriated. He sent informers to determine which members of the legislature were "disloyal" i.e., opposed to war. On the night of September 12 he had federal troops arrest dozens of legislators and other prominent citizens (including the mayor of Baltimore and a Maryland congressman) he suspected of Southern sympathies. Since Lincoln had also suspended the right of habeas corpus, he claimed the power to arrest anyone arbitrarily, without specific charges and without a trial. When the chief justice of the United States, Roger Taney, had ruled that Lincoln had no constitutional power to do this, Lincoln had not only ignored the ruling but ordered Taney's arrest too! (If he had gone through with this outrage, he might well have been impeached and removed from office.) Having depleted the Maryland legislature, Lincoln moved to refill it with reliable Unionists. He stationed thousands of federal troops in the state and used them to crush dissent. As the historian Charles Adams writes in his book When in the Course of Human Events (Lanham, Maryland: Rowman Littlefield, 2000): "In November there was an election, and to make sure only Union people were elected, all members of the Federal armed forces voted, even though they were not residents of the state. At the voting booths, other voters had to pass through platoons of Union soldiers who had bayonets affixed to their rifles." Southern sympathizers attempting to vote were arrested. By such means Lincoln got the legislature he wanted. "Democratic government ceased in Maryland for the duration of the war," Adams notes. So much for "government of the people, by the people, for the people," which, you'll recall, would "perish from the earth" if the Union lost. Lincoln's devotion to his avowed principles may be measured by such practices, which showed the cynicism behind his gorgeous rhetoric. The legend of Lincoln's humanitarianism and love of freedom will not withstand an examination of his brutal wartime tactics, which shocked civilized Europe. The cruelty of the Union armies as they invaded the South is well known. What is less well known is how the Union terrorized itself. Across the North Lincoln authorized tens of thousands of arbitrary arrests and shut down hundreds of newspapers for criticizing his war. His military governors sometimes ordered hangings, without trial, for minor offenses. Mere suspicion of disloyalty very broadly defined was enough to expose the individual to danger from his own government. It was a genuine reign of terror, an era of government by hysteria. The Constitution was effectively suspended. Defenders of Lincoln and the Union cause contend that the Constitution doesn 't authorize states to secede. Actually, the Constitution says nothing about secession; it doesn't authorize it, and it doesn't forbid it. But neither does the Constitution authorize its own abrogation for the purpose of resisting secession. It remains binding on the federal government, including the president, at all times, even during war and insurrection. Lincoln argued in effect that the Constitution could be saved only if he could violate it. It was, and remains, a shabby argument; but it was, and remains, successful propaganda. Forwarded for
Re: [CTRL] Stealing an Election
-Caveat Lector- Lincoln's butchers put the grandson of Francis Scott Key in jail because he along with the other city fathers in Baltimore refused to sign a loyalty oath to the barbarian Lincoln. Maryland, was the mother state of our family - and it is said Booth (john Wilkes) headed for Maryland and made it - and I hope he did. The story I enjoyed the most is the one where the assassination of Lincoln was planned by his insane wife, who paid for the hit Honest Abe - remember he was a lawyer who didn't even pass a bar examination..he split rails like he split this country - with an ax He was not a gentleman - he got in with spiritualists...he had dreams about his death and without a doubt had picked up the thoughts of his wife - for someone close to him indeed planned his murder. A House Divided Cannot Stand..that is from the bible, and the credit line for this, is given to Lincoln. How many people died because of this assassin A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Stealing an Election
-Caveat Lector- http://www.lewrockwell.com/sobran/sobran123.html Stealing an Election by Joseph Sobran Both the major parties have been accusing each other of trying to "steal" the presidential election in Florida. But this mess is a clean process indeed compared to one that occurred in Maryland in 1861. In May 1861 the Civil War was already raging. President Abraham Lincoln called on Maryland to send four regiments to fight for the Union cause. But the state was bitterly divided over the war. Most Marylanders didn't want their state to secede, but neither did they favor war. It is widely forgotten that a large body of American opinion held that the Confederate States had every right to secede from the Union and thought they should be allowed to go in peace. But to Lincoln, this view was "treason." By Lincoln's definition, most Americans, not just Southerners, probably qualified as traitors. The Maryland state legislature replied to Lincoln's summons for troops with a resolution condemning the war as "unconstitutional and repugnant to civilization," adding that "for the sake of humanity we are for peace and reconciliation, and solemnly protest against this war, and will take no part in it." The legislature also called "the present military occupation of Maryland" a "flagrant violation of the Constitution." Lincoln was infuriated. He sent informers to determine which members of the legislature were "disloyal" i.e., opposed to war. On the night of September 12 he had federal troops arrest dozens of legislators and other prominent citizens (including the mayor of Baltimore and a Maryland congressman) he suspected of Southern sympathies. Since Lincoln had also suspended the right of habeas corpus, he claimed the power to arrest anyone arbitrarily, without specific charges and without a trial. When the chief justice of the United States, Roger Taney, had ruled that Lincoln had no constitutional power to do this, Lincoln had not only ignored the ruling but ordered Taney's arrest too! (If he had gone through with this outrage, he might well have been impeached and removed from office.) Having depleted the Maryland legislature, Lincoln moved to refill it with reliable Unionists. He stationed thousands of federal troops in the state and used them to crush dissent. As the historian Charles Adams writes in his book When in the Course of Human Events (Lanham, Maryland: Rowman Littlefield, 2000): "In November there was an election, and to make sure only Union people were elected, all members of the Federal armed forces voted, even though they were not residents of the state. At the voting booths, other voters had to pass through platoons of Union soldiers who had bayonets affixed to their rifles." Southern sympathizers attempting to vote were arrested. By such means Lincoln got the legislature he wanted. "Democratic government ceased in Maryland for the duration of the war," Adams notes. So much for "government of the people, by the people, for the people," which, you'll recall, would "perish from the earth" if the Union lost. Lincoln's devotion to his avowed principles may be measured by such practices, which showed the cynicism behind his gorgeous rhetoric. The legend of Lincoln's humanitarianism and love of freedom will not withstand an examination of his brutal wartime tactics, which shocked civilized Europe. The cruelty of the Union armies as they invaded the South is well known. What is less well known is how the Union terrorized itself. Across the North Lincoln authorized tens of thousands of arbitrary arrests and shut down hundreds of newspapers for criticizing his war. His military governors sometimes ordered hangings, without trial, for minor offenses. Mere suspicion of disloyalty very broadly defined was enough to expose the individual to danger from his own government. It was a genuine reign of terror, an era of government by hysteria. The Constitution was effectively suspended. Defenders of Lincoln and the Union cause contend that the Constitution doesn't authorize states to secede. Actually, the Constitution says nothing about secession; it doesn't authorize it, and it doesn't forbid it. But neither does the Constitution authorize its own abrogation for the purpose of resisting secession. It remains binding on the federal government, including the president, at all times, even during war and insurrection. Lincoln argued in effect that the Constitution could be saved only if he could violate it. It was, and remains, a shabby argument; but it was, and remains, successful propaganda. December 27, 2000 -- Spike Lee should be shot with a .44 bulldog. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used
