Re: [CTRL] White Race to be wiped out by immigration? (fwd)

2001-05-03 Thread flw

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 Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Well flw I believe you have mistaken Herbert Spencer's concept of Social
 Darwinism with Darwin himself. Darwin never spoke of inferior and/or
 superior species but of those that are the most capable of adapting to
 changing environmental conditions. Spencer is the man who coined the
 phrase survival of the fittest and began to apply the theory of
 evolution to society. Also I'm not convinced that this the white race is
 doomed scenario is apt in the longterm what with the rampant spread of
 AIDS, TB, typhoid, cholera, inter alia, in the non-white population.
 Of course in keeping with your Spencerian views we could say that the
 reason is is that these people are simply too stupid to live.

You assume too much. I merely said I admire Darwin, not that Darwin ever
promulgated the theory of survival of the fittest. Of course Darwin opines
that species disappear or thrive due to their ability or failure to adopt to
changing circumstances whether or not that equates with inferiority is
in the mind of the beholder. The concept of race is ignorant. There is no
different races, merely local environmental adaptations. If people are capable
of breeding, they cannot be a different species.

However there is no doubt that different races, i.e. different localized tribes may
hold different cultural / economic / political values based on their local experiences.
That said, I do find that the whole false notion of diversity is a red herring
promulgated by those who seek to glorify tribalism and separatism.

When  multi culturalism includes collectivism; dependency; statism instead
of different types of cookingthat is where it becomes a stalking horse for
those with a hidden agenda.

It is a matter of values and ideasnot race.
flw

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[CTRL] White Race to be wiped out by immigration? (fwd)

2001-05-02 Thread Yardbird

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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/paulcraigroberts/pcr20001207.shtml

townhall.com
Paul Craig Roberts
December 7, 2000

For whom the bells toll

There won't always be an England or a United States. Both are already
fading, not from military conquest but from their own immigration policy.
Demographers have calculated that by the end of this century the English
people will be a minority in their homeland. The English are not having
enough children to reproduce themselves. In contrast, the people of color
who have flooded into England have a high fertility rate. Non-whites will
comprise a majority of the population of London in just nine years.

It is amazing how fast it is happening. Half a century ago, there were only
a few tens of thousands of non-whites in the entirety of Great Britain. In
another half century, there will be the beginnings of a black government.
What will be the fate of the white minority after decades of being demonized
as white racists by their own kind at Oxford, Cambridge and the University
of London?

The English may be finished as a people, but they still have twice as long
as American whites. Demographers predict that whites will comprise a
minority of the U.S. population by mid-century. It has already happened in
California and in many cities.

Like the English, American whites are failing to reproduce. More than 42
percent of American women of childbearing age are childless. The figure is
rising as gender quotas, and the breakdown of marriage and family pull more
white women onto career paths that don't lead to children.

Examining the situation, the London Observer said that that this is the
first time in history that a major indigenous population has voluntarily
become a minority, rather than through war, famine or disease.

It is amazing that the two most important and powerful countries of the past
two centuries have legislated their own path to extinction. But it is
astounding that it is occurring in the same two countries where
intellectuals prattle on endlessly about the need for diversity. There are
many more non-white countries than white ones; yet, it is the white ones
that are slated to disappear.

What's wrong with having an England? What a colorful and unique place! What
character and genius! The cradle of the rule of law and representative
democracy! The font of the scientific and technological revolutions! It is
absurd to think these accomplishments are happenstance unrelated to
Englishness. Do we really need yet another black country, another India, or
a mixture of the two? Why can't we keep England English for diversity's
sake?

And the United States. What other country has such a strong sense of right
and wrong, and such determination to see justice done all over the world?
Who but the United States sends its treasure, not as tribute to the powerful
but as gifts to the poor? What other country sends its troops to stop
genocides and wars in foreign lands? Central and South America are full of
Hispanic populations. Do we really need another one here?

What is it that compels the United States and England to destroy themselves
with an immigration policy designed to replace the indigenous population
with different racial stock? In these two lands, agitators fight to preserve
every wetlands weed, sand fly and snail darter. What's wrong with preserving
England and America?

People had better give this some thought, because the decision won't be
theirs to make for much longer.

The 21st century may bring the extinction of white populations. Confined to
a small area of the world, white populations are everywhere in decline.
Italy, once a fecund Catholic nation where a large family was everything,
has such a low birth rate that its population is declining. Everywhere else
in Europe birth rates have fallen below replacement rates. European
governments open the borders to Third World immigrants in order to keep a
tax base for the expensive social welfare systems that have crowded children
out of the household budgets of the indigenous population. Canada, also, is
well on her way to becoming a Third World country.

Russia, too, has a declining population reeling from the environmental and
economic destruction after 75 years of communist rule. Pressed on her
eastern and southern borders by Asiatic populations, Russia is slowly
retreating from her empire.

In the far Pacific, two island nations, New Zealand and Australia, hang on
to an exported British culture. Perhaps they will be preserved, like the
Galapagos Islands, as a place where creatures reside who have disappeared
elsewhere.

©2000 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/paulcraigroberts/pcr20001207.shtml


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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/immigrat/kennf.htm

December 1994
Must It Be the Rest Against the West?
Absent major changes in North-South relations, the wretched should inherit
the earth by 

Re: [CTRL] White Race to be wiped out by immigration? (fwd)

2001-05-02 Thread flw

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 townhall.com
 Paul Craig Roberts
 December 7, 2000

 For whom the bells toll

 There won't always be an England or a United States. Both are already
 fading, not from military conquest but from their own immigration policy.
 Demographers have calculated that by the end of this century the English
 people will be a minority in their homeland.

As someone who thinks Darwin makes a lot of sense it seems that this
development is a good thing. After all if the white race is fostering its
own disappearance then it obviously is an inferior race that should
disappear.
flw

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Re: [CTRL] White Race to be wiped out by immigration? (fwd)

2001-05-02 Thread Yardbird

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Well flw I believe you have mistaken Herbert Spencer's concept of Social
Darwinism with Darwin himself. Darwin never spoke of inferior and/or
superior species but of those that are the most capable of adapting to
changing environmental conditions. Spencer is the man who coined the
phrase survival of the fittest and began to apply the theory of
evolution to society. Also I'm not convinced that this the white race is
doomed scenario is apt in the longterm what with the rampant spread of
AIDS, TB, typhoid, cholera, inter alia, in the non-white population.
Of course in keeping with your Spencerian views we could say that the
reason is is that these people are simply too stupid to live.

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Re: [CTRL] White Race to be wiped out by immigration? (fwd)

2001-05-02 Thread Nessie

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What's wrong with having an England?

Ask their victims.

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