Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
-Caveat Lector- >The only people I know who are offended by being called leftists are >leftists. >I am conservative. >Call me a right-winger, I don't mind. >Ray I doubt you have any idea what principles guide a true American Conservative. Your shallow rhetoric repeats the party line of the NeoCon Gang (mostly former Marxists or Corporate Socialists). But what can you expect from someone whose only source of information is the World Net Daily. flw http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
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3/18/2003 2:44:28 PM, Eric Hoffsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>Theodore Roosevelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>You're simply full of ...
Ah, come on Rough Rider: put your monocle in and get a sense of humour!
There are so many definitions of so many different words that I'm not sure
anyone knows for sure what they mean. When there are statements made
without a common frame of reference and no supporting definitions or
references to overcome this deficiency in communication, their use
become pointless and meaningless. And this goes for so-called "party"
designations, as well. I don't think a Democrat or Republican from one
coast is the same thing as on the other coast ... might have something to
do with where they are and the regional needs.
"Left" and "Right" came out of the trans- / post-Revolutionary period in
France (their revolution) and some pseudosophisticate decided he or she
needed some "Continental" lingo to make them sound cultured.
"Liberal" and "Conservative"have gotten so far off the mark that they are
meaningless. A true "Conservative" would be one who held to the intent of
the Constitution as it was originally written and interpreted by those who
wrote it. A "Liberal" ("leftie") would then be one who tried to be loose in
translation and interpretation and therefore agree to forgoing the
proscription to engaging in foreign entanglements and supporting pre-
emptive wars. So, all these "compassionate Conservatives" are really "busy-
body Liberals".
As far as "wits" are concerned, I knew someone who had lost theirs once
upon a time and I tried to help find them. But ... no one could ever
describe one to me so - alas - I had to give up ...
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Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
-Caveat Lector- >I have never seen a greater concentration of intellectually blinded, irrational, >gutless humans in my life than the majority of those who so consistently >post their leftist tripe on this list.For those of you who are reasonable, and >who are concerned about this nation and the safety of its citizens, please >help counter the hate-America, leftist offal flung up here in such heaps.>Ray The above is a good example of the mindless anti American tripe spewed by those who parrot the Corporate State line. It is a sad commentary that these chickenhawk blowhards actually believe they are 'patriots' rather then useful idiots for the politicopaths who have stolen our Constitutional Republic. Anyone who is so ignorant that he does not understand that opposing irrational foreign wars is the mark of the true American patriot underscores the shocking failure of the American public school system. flw Anti-War Protests Have Big Price TagsTuesday, March 18, 2003SEATTLE — Large anti-war protests come with a hefty price tag.Money is needed to rent or buy stages, sound systems, permits and portable toilets, and tabs often run as high as $200,000 per demonstration — much more than the average grassroots peace group will ever have in its coffers. So who is picking up the tab?"The major anti-U.S. government demonstrations are organized by people who have been around for a long time, particularly the Workers World Party, which has existed for more than 30 years now and has always supported the enemies of the United States," said Herbert Romerstein, a retired agent of the U.S. Information Agency.The Workers World Party describes itself as Marxist in nature.Officially, protest organizers are groups such as Not in Our Name and International A.N.S.W.E.R., but the demonstration's sponsors have long histories of backing anti-government causes.Not in Our Name is financed by the Interreligious Foundation for Community Organization. I.F.C.O. is a million-dollar-a-year non-profit that supports Cuban dictator Fidel Castro and once sponsored a group headed by Sami Al-Arian — the University of South Florida professor being charged with fundraising for terrorist organizations Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.A.N.S.W.E.R. is an offshoot of the International Action Center, which intelligence officials say is a front for the Worker's World Party. A.N.S.W.E.R. canceled a scheduled interview with Fox News but a worker in the Seattle field office acknowledged there are ties."There are some Workers World Party members in A.N.S.W.E.R.," said A.N.S.W.E.R. coordinator Jim McMahan.The International Action Center was founded by former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, who is a longtime public face of the anti-war movement.The Workers World Party supports North Korea's brutal regime and I.F.C.O. defied U.N. sanctions when it made a trip to Iraq in the mid-1990s. Now, both are sugar daddies to the anti-war movement."The American people have the right to know whether stooges of [North Korean leader] Kim Jong Il or Castro or Saddam Hussein are involved in these demonstrations," Romerstein said.The groups bankrolling these protests say they're spending their money the way donors would want, and protest organizers say it doesn't matter where the money comes from — the message is their own.Others wonder if knowing the fringe politics of the people paying the bills might keep some demonstrators off the streets.But anti-war organizers — regardless of their financial backing — are plugging ahead and are actually planning more aggressive action that they say will be hard to ignore, despite the fact that the United States is on the brink of war with Iraq."People will step up their actions, there will be active civil disobedience," said Simona Sharoni of United for Peace in Thurston County, Wash.Direct Action, a San Francisco Bay-area group of anti-war veterans, has been drawing up their own battle plan should there be a war.They say they will shut down 70 targets in San Francisco alone, including power plants, water systems, the Federal Reserve, oil companies, the Pacific Exchange and the Transamerica Building.And their hit list goes beyond economic targets.Some protesters are promising to chain themselves to fences at schools and day care centers so working parents will have to stay home from their jobs. Organizers say this will give others a chance to contemplate how war affects the children of Iraq."The civilians in Iraq are losing their lives and one day of work is worth a thousand lives," said Leone Reinbold, an anti-war activist in San Francisco.Reinbold helped organize the World Trade Organization protest in Seattle three years ago. She blames the violence and damage on anarchists from the radical fringe, not the mainstream demonstrators.All the same, police departments from coast to coast know that keeping things peaceful won't be easy."We know bas
Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/18/2003 12:34:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're simply full of %&^ Teddy Ted, Anymore of this invective chatter and its up, up and away out of here. The Moderator Om K www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/18/2003 1:19:11 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am conservative. Call me a right-winger, I don't mind. No, you're a mainstream Republican...garden variety...neo-con. Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
-Caveat Lector- a strong dose of TRUTH The truth of the matter is that both the left and the right are split on this war. It's not a left/right issue. It's a survival issue See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/48.html http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
-Caveat Lector- Theodore Roosevelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >You're simply full of shit. Oh, COME ON, Teddy! You're not even trying! No, seriously. Tell us why you think invading Iraq is right up there w/ ending world hunger! Really. We want to know. What's your argument? Take more than 25 words, if you wish (or if you're, you know, capable). Just try not to paraphrase the pro-war parroting of the administration's party line we get 24-7 from the "liberal" media. Think for yourself, Little Teddy. You can do it! -eh http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
-Caveat Lector- Yeah, I think you forgot to mention that Ron Paul is against this war, and even GHWB has warned against unilateralism. I could list a number of other conservatives against the war, but why bother? Instead of listening to the neo-cons and thinking you're conservative, Ray, you might try listening to the *real* conservatives, who unfortunately number very few these days. Dubya campaigned on making the fed smaller and not intervening in foreign entanglements. But Cheney and his cabinet, Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz among them, had other ideas. They want, and now have, a Wilsonian policy, and coupled with very weak and arrogant dimplomacy, it's become isolationist and expansionist at the same time. This is not conservative according to a lot of true conservatives. It's antithetical to the Constitution and to the Founders' intentions. It's imperialism. Remember how angry Eisenhower was at the British and the French for attacking Egypt in the '50s? Remember? - jt - Original Message - From: "Euphorian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/18/2003 1:19:05 PM, Ray Boeche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Just don't be anxious to engage me in a battle of wits unless you're >>sure you are fully armed. With what? Wits? With "fully"? "Engage"ment rings? This is beginning to sound serious ... But seriously, how does one become "armed" with "wits" anyway? Not all people who are adamantly against war as a means to an end are leftists, nor conservatives, nor centrists. Nor communists nor democrats, nor republicans nor "Greens" nor "Browns" nor "Yellows", striped, polka dots, plaids, or pastels. It's usually the ones who can think independently and see the charade for the hologram for the sleight of hand compared to those with the slight of mind or reason. As far as "leftist nuts" are concerned, we need those! There are bolts with an opposite threading for which "rightist nuts" would be not up to the taks! A<:>E<:>R http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 01:34 PM, Euphorian wrote: -Caveat Lector- 3/18/2003 1:19:05 PM, Ray Boeche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just don't be anxious to engage me in a battle of wits unless you're sure you are fully armed. With what? Wits? With "fully"? "Engage"ment rings? This is beginning to sound serious ... But seriously, how does one become "armed" with "wits" anyway? Not all people who are adamantly against war as a means to an end are leftists, nor conservatives, nor centrists. Nor communists nor democrats, nor republicans nor "Greens" nor "Browns" nor "Yellows", striped, polka dots, plaids, or pastels. It's usually the ones who can think independently and see the charade for the hologram for the sleight of hand compared to those with the slight of mind or reason. As far as "leftist nuts" are concerned, we need those! There are bolts with an opposite threading for which "rightist nuts" would be not up to the taks! ___ Well, I've been watching this discusion and I wouldn't waste my time with you. You're simply full of shit. Teddy _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
-Caveat Lector- 3/18/2003 1:19:05 PM, Ray Boeche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Just don't be anxious to engage me in a battle of wits unless you're >>sure you are fully armed. With what? Wits? With "fully"? "Engage"ment rings? This is beginning to sound serious ... But seriously, how does one become "armed" with "wits" anyway? Not all people who are adamantly against war as a means to an end are leftists, nor conservatives, nor centrists. Nor communists nor democrats, nor republicans nor "Greens" nor "Browns" nor "Yellows", striped, polka dots, plaids, or pastels. It's usually the ones who can think independently and see the charade for the hologram for the sleight of hand compared to those with the slight of mind or reason. As far as "leftist nuts" are concerned, we need those! There are bolts with an opposite threading for which "rightist nuts" would be not up to the taks! A<:>E<:>R http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 11:51 AM, Dale Stonehouse wrote: Got any other labels you want to throw around? It's much easier than actually thinking. Are you afraid of thinking, or of those who think? (I'm NOT saying leftists, whatever that means, think any more than right wing fascists. Most extremists got that way by NEVER thinking. -Original Message- From: Ray Boeche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] leftist nuts Interesting comment. The only people I know who are offended by being called leftists are leftists. I am conservative. Call me a right-winger, I don't mind. Just don't be anxious to engage me in a battle of wits unless you're sure you are fully armed. Ray
Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
-Caveat Lector- > -Original Message- > From: Eric Hoffsten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:57 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts > > knee-jerk reactionaries > Unthinking sheep AHA, the tried-and-true tactic of attacking a labeler with labels. Who can stop thinking first? > should be ashamed to call himself an American. If you stop shoulding on people maybe they will stop shouting. > Clearly, there are those on this list in dire need of a strong dose of > TRUTH. Now THAT would take all the fun out of it. How boring. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
-Caveat Lector- You know, I am SO sick of these knee-jerk reactionaries who have the gall to label anyone anti-war as somehow "Anti-American." Unthinking sheep like the author of this original post (who I'll ask to kindly QUIT SHOUTING) should be ashamed to call himself an American. REAL Americans don't go after gnats with howitzers; they believe in fairness, justice, helping others (not murdering a quarter of a million of their children); they believe in democracy, and thus dissent, which entails questioning the incredibly misguided decisions of their "leaders" (particularly when those "leaders" are unelected crooks)... REAL Americans believe in Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, NOT Power at Any Cost, Ruling the World, and the Pursuit of Profit over lives and global justice. Clearly, there are those on this list in dire need of a strong dose of TRUTH. Here's a version of "America's Illegal Invasion of Iraq for Dummies"; let it remove the blinders from your eyes: --- March 17, 2003 Endgame A BUZZFLASH EDITORIAL It's the endgame of a mad, politically calculated war. From the beginning, everyone's agreed that Saddam Hussein is a bad man, almost a prototype for a villain in a James Bond Film. But that's where the agreement stopped. The Bush Cartel, for a variety of politically and financially calculated reasons, decided that a war that could cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars was of strategic importance to its world domination game plan -- and to a second term for George W. Bush. The corporate media -- for reasons of financial interest combined with sheer ineptitude -- enabled and facilitated a rush to war that was transparently self-serving for the Chickenhawks in the White House. The Democrats, as usual, allowed the Grand Hypocrisy Party (GHP) to define the issue in such a way that it marginalized any dissent. This despite the fact that the Bush Cartel brazenly used lies and shifting justifications to mask the real reasons for the war. In the end, Bush is going to war for two reasons. First of all, the Iraq war offers him and his Vietnam service evading administration many political positives from their perspective, including (but not limited to): 1. The permanent war public relations strategy is, in large part, aimed at keeping any of the numerous Bush domestic disasters off of the political table. War supersedes even an economy down the tubes. 2. Keeping the threat of terror simmering on the burner through ginned up and meaningless terror alerts scares Americans into supporting Bush, because they seemingly have no option, since they believe they are under a constant terrorist threat. This leads to a sort of "Stockholm Syndrome" for the nation as a whole. Most Americans look to their psychological tormentor for protection from an outside threat perceived as the more serious of two evils. 3. A war in Iraq offers almost bottomless billion-dollar profiteering opportunities for Bush Cartel campaign contributors and Bush administration officials. Halliburton, the Carlyle Group, etc. are all set to reap big financial benefits from the destruction of the Iraq infrastructure. Blow the country up with bombs paid for by taxpayers -- and then use taxpayer dollars to pay campaign contributors and companies with connections to administration officials to rebuild it. A nice scam if you got a railroad car on the gravy train. 4. By using a brutal, thuggish "diplomacy" -- including threats, bribes and intimidation -- the Bush Cartel has alienated the populations of almost every nation in the world. It has managed to lure a few "leaders" into the alliance of the unwilling with a combination of inducements worthy of a crime family, but created a hostile reaction in almost every country. Why does the seemingly disastrous result actually benefit the Bush Cartel? Because they want to see the United Nations sink into the East River. They don't want anybody but the Bush Cartel Chickenhawks calling the international shots. Sayonara, U.N., and good riddance. That's what the Bush administration fanatics want -- and they are on the verge of achieving their goal. 5. Through the financial "inducements" the Bush administration has offered some nations to support the war, they have found an ingenious way to pay back campaign contributors. Take Poland, for instance. The Bush administration gives Poland six billion dollars in taxpayer money (which would be okay if it were for improving the lot of Polish citizens). What will Poland use the money for, according to a New York Times article? Why, to buy six billion dollars worth of fighter jets from Lockheed-Martin. 6. The assertion of raw, brute, power -- in the form of sophisticated killing war technology -- is meant to intimidate all of the nations of the world, not just our enemies. It is also meant to bully dissenters at home into submission. Since Democratic leaders usually cower when the Bush Cartel barks, it is, addition
Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts
-Caveat Lector- Got any other labels you want to throw around? It's much easier than actually thinking. Are you afraid of thinking, or of those who think? (I'm NOT saying leftists, whatever that means, think any more than right wing fascists. Most extremists got that way by NEVER thinking. -Original Message-From: Ray Boeche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:22 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] leftist nuts www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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I have never seen a greater concentration of intellectually blinded, irrational, gutless humans in my life than the majority of those who so consistently post their leftist tripe on this list. For those of you who are reasonable, and who are concerned about this nation and the safety of its citizens, please help counter the hate-America, leftist offal flung up here in such heaps. Ray Anti-War Protests Have Big Price Tags Tuesday, March 18, 2003 SEATTLE?—?Large anti-war protests come with a hefty price tag. Money is needed to rent or buy stages, sound systems, permits and portable toilets, and tabs often run as high as $200,000 per demonstration — much more than the average grassroots peace group will ever have in its coffers. So who is picking up the tab? "The major anti-U.S. government demonstrations are organized by people who have been around for a long time, particularly the Workers World Party, which has existed for more than 30 years now and has always supported the enemies of the United States," said Herbert Romerstein, a retired agent of the U.S. Information Agency. The Workers World Party describes itself as Marxist in nature. Officially, protest organizers are groups such as Not in Our Name and International A.N.S.W.E.R., but the demonstration's sponsors have long histories of backing anti-government causes. Not in Our Name is financed by the Interreligious Foundation for Community Organization. I.F.C.O. is a million-dollar-a-year non-profit that supports Cuban dictator Fidel Castro and once sponsored a group headed by Sami Al-Arian — the University of South Florida professor being charged with fundraising for terrorist organizations Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad. A.N.S.W.E.R. is an offshoot of the International Action Center, which intelligence officials say is a front for the Worker's World Party. A.N.S.W.E.R. canceled a scheduled interview with Fox News but a worker in the Seattle field office acknowledged there are ties. "There are some Workers World Party members in A.N.S.W.E.R.," said A.N.S.W.E.R. coordinator Jim McMahan. The International Action Center was founded by former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, who is a longtime public face of the anti-war movement. The Workers World Party supports North Korea's brutal regime and I.F.C.O. defied U.N. sanctions when it made a trip to Iraq in the mid-1990s. Now, both are sugar daddies to the anti-war movement. "The American people have the right to know whether stooges of [North Korean leader] Kim Jong Il or Castro or Saddam Hussein are involved in these demonstrations," Romerstein said. The groups bankrolling these protests say they're spending their money the way donors would want, and protest organizers say it doesn't matter where the money comes from — the message is their own. Others wonder if knowing the fringe politics of the people paying the bills might keep some demonstrators off the streets. But anti-war organizers — regardless of their financial backing — are plugging ahead and are actually planning more aggressive action that they say will be hard to ignore, despite the fact that the United States is on the brink of war with Iraq. "People will step up their actions, there will be active civil disobedience," said Simona Sharoni of United for Peace in Thurston County, Wash. Direct Action, a San Francisco Bay-area group of anti-war veterans, has been drawing up their own battle plan should there be a war. They say they will shut down 70 targets in San Francisco alone, including power plants, water systems, the Federal Reserve, oil companies, the Pacific Exchange and the Transamerica Building. And their hit list goes beyond economic targets. Some protesters are promising to chain themselves to fences at schools and day care centers so working parents will have to stay home from their jobs. Organizers say this will give others a chance to contemplate how war affects the children of Iraq. "The civilians in Iraq are losing their lives and one day of work is worth a thousand lives," said Leone Reinbold, an anti-war activist in San Francisco. Reinbold helped organize the World Trade Organization protest in Seattle three years ago. She blames the violence and damage on anarchists from the radical fringe, not the mainstream demonstrators. All the same, police departments from coast to coast know that keeping things peaceful won't be easy. "We know based on the last one that each preceding demonstration has been a little bit more volatile than the one before," said Deputy Chief Greg Suhr of the San Francisco Police Department. Some protestors are vowing to bring traffic to a standstill, as they recently did on a Seattle bridge. But many wonder if paralyzing the morning commute and engaging in similar disruptions will win converts or make enemies of people losing patience with their tactics. Fox News' Dan Springer contributed to this report.
