Re: [CTRL] popery dopery dock
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- Dear Joshua: I agree that justice need be done. However re war crimminals we must remember that more wars are to occur and isn't there fear that who ever wins is going to say that when they win they are going to "get those guys"? Won't the loser hang on to the bitter end and try to avoid the" justice" of the victor? When I can almost see in our own country the faces of the mass murderers of people who are deliberately doing heinous crimes by messing with our food supply; and the list goes on, I believe it would be best for just- ice that these heinous crimminals to be stripped of their ill-gotten wealth and power and be left to ponder when they face God he will see that they get justice. Can anyone who has done such a crime as murder hope to repay his debt to God and man by his own blood sacrifice? The crimminals of the new world order are going to hang in there if they know that there will be no mercy for them. Will this noose over their heads do more harm than good? Life is finite; justice will be certain on the other side and infinite. Sincerely, Don Huffman -- [Mode Selection] ForceExisting=no ExistingSRFile= ForceNew=no IntlMode=no [New Acct Mode] AskSaveAcctInfo=yes SavePasswords=yes AskPersonalInfo=yes AskSurvey=yes AskShareInfo=yes AskBillingInfo=yes RegServer=RegServ.SR [Existing Acct Mode] RegPodURL=http://home.netscape.com/comprod/upgrades/index.html ShowIntro2=yes ShowPhones=no AskName=yes AskLogin=yes AskTTY=no AskEmail=yes AskPhone=yes AskDNS=yes AskHosts=yes AskRegister=yes [General] CardTypes="AX,MC,VI,DC" http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] popery dopery dock
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- "Damian B. Cooper" wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> > -Cui Bono?- > > At 07:35 PM 3/13/00 -0800, Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > >I seem to recall a Rabbi on NPR wondering why JP2 apologized for > >misdeeds of 500 years back [inquisition] but not for those of 55 > >years ago [holocaust]. > > Did the Rabbi on NPR offer to apologize for any of the misdeeds of > Jews back 500 years? Exactly which misdeeds are those? And how do they compare with the Inquisition and religious domination by the church in the new world? > I didn't think so. > > Did NPR ask the Rabbi if he would consider apologizing for the > misdeeds of Jews back 500 years? Maybe NPR isn't as smart as you and doesn't know what they should ask apologies for. Why don't you enlighten them. > I didn't think so. > > DBC Care to answer or is not thinking as far as you go? Joshua2 http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] popery dopery dock
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- nessie wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> > -Cui Bono?- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: > > > >This stuff happened over fifty years ago! > > >most of the "war criminals" are almost eighty years old or more. > > >Are they going to be brought to "justice", whatever that means? > > > > >Bury the dead and get on with life > > While the "old fighters' are mostly dead, their cause, their organizations > and their influence on the world is most decidedly not. > > See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/company.html By this logic, let's release Charlie Manson and Albert Disalvo (?) and every other mass killer who unfortunately managed to outlive their victims. How would YOU feel if you saw the killers of your family walking or wheeling around enjoying what is left of their lives while your parents' or children's murder left you in pain from which only death will release you. Very big of you to be so generous. Joshua2 http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] popery dopery dock
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- Dear Joshua2: Quite a challenge your reply. But I'll answer you soon. Don Huffman -- [Mode Selection] ForceExisting=no ExistingSRFile= ForceNew=no IntlMode=no [New Acct Mode] AskSaveAcctInfo=yes SavePasswords=yes AskPersonalInfo=yes AskSurvey=yes AskShareInfo=yes AskBillingInfo=yes RegServer=RegServ.SR [Existing Acct Mode] RegPodURL=http://home.netscape.com/comprod/upgrades/index.html ShowIntro2=yes ShowPhones=no AskName=yes AskLogin=yes AskTTY=no AskEmail=yes AskPhone=yes AskDNS=yes AskHosts=yes AskRegister=yes [General] CardTypes="AX,MC,VI,DC" http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] popery dopery dock
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- At 07:35 PM 3/13/00 -0800, Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I seem to recall a Rabbi on NPR wondering why JP2 apologized for >misdeeds of 500 years back [inquisition] but not for those of 55 >years ago [holocaust]. Did the Rabbi on NPR offer to apologize for any of the misdeeds of Jews back 500 years? I didn't think so. Did NPR ask the Rabbi if he would consider apologizing for the misdeeds of Jews back 500 years? I didn't think so. DBC http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] popery dopery dock
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- > Don Huffman wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> > -Cui Bono?- > > Dear Joshua2 > > The bigger the lie the easier it is to believe. You bet. Seen any virgin births lately? > You weren't there but > let those who were there take things in the context of those war years > write the history. The context of the war years? What does that mean? > Are you Jewish? I was in live theatre, for a time, and was not > uncommmon > for Jewish playwrights to warn against the Jewish persecution complex. Isn't that something? Those silly Jews. Always thinking that some Christian or Muslim doesn't like them. How paranoid can you get? > It's the Catholic Church that's under fire. Be sure of one thing, when > "they" get Pope John Paul they are going to get up a din of hatred > against the Church that will be unparalled in history. I doubt it. The Catholic Church is not that important anymore. > "Figures don't lie; but liars can sure figure"!! > > It's diabolical, you can be sure, that the Father of all lies, will > blame the innocent. Doesn't it seem improbable that Pius could have > done so much harm on 95 acres and a small budget? Come on now. This line is for idiot consumption, not for smart folks. > The myth of Vatican > wealth has long been disproved by historians; in the time of Luther and > today. The Myth of Vatican wealth is hardly mythic if you count just real estate alone in places like N.Y. or Chicago or any of the other holdings the Church has around the world. This wealth is easy to see. Other less visible wealth I could not argue about. > Do you see any value in the antiabortion cause? Abortion is a far great > er cause than the holocaust that murdered also 6 million gentiles. Not to me. > Do you recall Stalin saying to Truman,..."how many divisions does the > pope have"? > > Sincerely, > > Don Huffman > > P.S. Do other churces of God have any apologies in order to the Catholic > Church? I'm sure the protestants do. But no religion has done as much harm as Catholocism. To be fair about that statement I must cite the fact that they had a lot of time in which to do it. > P.S.S. Khrushchev said when he came to power that he was going to de- > stroy the Catholic Church. When told Paul V1 laughed and said,"We > ourselves have been trying to do that for 2000 years and haven't been > able to do that". Whatever the anti-Catholics try to do sincere or not > were going to be around til the end of time. Don't bet on it. The modern world's education will weaken church doctrine. Catholic doctrine is counterproductive to humanity in the 21st century. ALL supernatural based religions are losing ground and justifiably so. Religious fantasies simply don't stand up to the advancements of science. Today, the Church is expanding ONLY in thirld world countries where there is little education and much desperation to exploit. Unfortunately for them, this is the kind of thing they need least. Christianity in general is in deep trouble. Every day there are new finds in archaeology which put the Christian Myth in the spotlight. It simply can't stand up to the scrutiny of history. But for the true believers it will matter little. They will simply do what you are doing now. Deny the facts and make believe the devil is behind it. Joshua2 http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] popery dopery dock
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- Dear Joshua2 The bigger the lie the easier it is to believe. You weren't there but let those who were there take things in the context of those war years write the history. Are you Jewish? I was in live theatre, for a time, and was not uncommmon for Jewish playwrights to warn against the Jewish persecution complex. It's the Catholic Church that's under fire. Be sure of one thing, when "they" get Pope John Paul they are going to get up a din of hatred against the Church that will be unparalled in history. "Figures don't lie; but liars can sure figure"!! It's diabolical, you can be sure, that the Father of all lies, will blame the innocent. Doesn't it seem improbable that Pius could have done so much harm on 95 acres and a small budget? The myth of Vatican wealth has long been disproved by historians; in the time of Luther and today. Do you see any value in the antiabortion cause? Abortion is a far great er cause than the holocaust that murdered also 6 million gentiles. Do you recall Stalin saying to Truman,..."how many divisions does the pope have"? Sincerely, Don Huffman P.S. Do other churces of God have any apologies in order to the Catholic Church? P.S.S. Khrushchev said when he came to power that he was going to de- stroy the Catholic Church. When told Paul V1 laughed and said,"We ourselves have been trying to do that for 2000 years and haven't been able to do that". Whatever the anti-Catholics try to do sincere or not were going to be around til the end of time. -- [Mode Selection] ForceExisting=no ExistingSRFile= ForceNew=no IntlMode=no [New Acct Mode] AskSaveAcctInfo=yes SavePasswords=yes AskPersonalInfo=yes AskSurvey=yes AskShareInfo=yes AskBillingInfo=yes RegServer=RegServ.SR [Existing Acct Mode] RegPodURL=http://home.netscape.com/comprod/upgrades/index.html ShowIntro2=yes ShowPhones=no AskName=yes AskLogin=yes AskTTY=no AskEmail=yes AskPhone=yes AskDNS=yes AskHosts=yes AskRegister=yes [General] CardTypes="AX,MC,VI,DC" http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] popery dopery dock
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: > >This stuff happened over fifty years ago! >most of the "war criminals" are almost eighty years old or more. >Are they going to be brought to "justice", whatever that means? > >Bury the dead and get on with life While the "old fighters' are mostly dead, their cause, their organizations and their influence on the world is most decidedly not. See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/company.html http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] popery dopery dock
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Said: > -Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> > -Cui Bono?- > > Don Huffman wrote: > > > > -Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> > > -Cui Bono?- > > > > Dear Writer: > > I think by rat line you should mean that the Vatican feed and > helped all > > refugees that it could after the War. They could not > determine by look- > > ing at a person what he had done. Can anyone? > > > > It would be well to hear what Albert Einstein, Golda Muier, > and the > > head Rabbi of Jerusalem said about Pius X11. They praised him > highly. > > And the list of those Jews and Gentiles who were saved goes > on. Let > > them speak here! > > > > There is a new kind of conspiracy going on against the > Catholic Church. > > If we would approve abortion, artifical birth control, and the > practice > > of homosexuality; these tormentors who, of course, and guided > by the > > Father of all lies, would leave us alone. > > > > About him having Nazi friends let someone else out there > ferret out the > > truth about that. > > > > > Very sincerly yours, > > > > > Don Huffman > > > Well Don I can understand your denial. It is a strength of the > religious > to be able to deny reality. But let me ask you this question. > What if you are wrong, and Pius XII was a fascist and a Nazi > supporter > who helped war criminals escape and made big money for the > church > extracted > from the mouths of the dead victims of the people he helped get > away? > > What if this was true? What would you do? > > Joshua2 ### Well, what would you be able to do? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! If Pius would have been pro-Facist it would have made sense.. At the time, there were two growing movements in Europe, one was Fascism and the other was Communism.. They are pretty much the same, they both utilize socialist ideals.. however Fascism accomodates Capitalism and Religion.. Communism seeks to eliminate both of these.. As far as war crimes, and war criminals, a cynic once suggested that the reason the Nazis and others were called war criminals is because they lost war. We would have a different set of "war criminals" had they won.. So, was Pius a Communist or Fascist or Sadist or Anarchist? Who cares? This stuff happened over fifty years ago! most of the "war criminals" are almost eighty years old or more. Are they going to be brought to "justice", whatever that means? Bury the dead and get on with life Michael > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. > Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are > sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections > and outright > fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and > minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being > said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always > suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust > denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > = > === > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > = > === > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send > email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send > email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om Email services provided by ApexMail http://www.apexmail.com http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] popery dopery dock
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- Don Huffman wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> > -Cui Bono?- > > Dear Writer: > I think by rat line you should mean that the Vatican feed and helped all > refugees that it could after the War. They could not determine by look- > ing at a person what he had done. Can anyone? > > It would be well to hear what Albert Einstein, Golda Muier, and the > head Rabbi of Jerusalem said about Pius X11. They praised him highly. > And the list of those Jews and Gentiles who were saved goes on. Let > them speak here! > > There is a new kind of conspiracy going on against the Catholic Church. > If we would approve abortion, artifical birth control, and the practice > of homosexuality; these tormentors who, of course, and guided by the > Father of all lies, would leave us alone. > > About him having Nazi friends let someone else out there ferret out the > truth about that. > > Very >sincerly yours, > > Don Huffman Well Don I can understand your denial. It is a strength of the religious to be able to deny reality. But let me ask you this question. What if you are wrong, and Pius XII was a fascist and a Nazi supporter who helped war criminals escape and made big money for the church extracted from the mouths of the dead victims of the people he helped get away? What if this was true? What would you do? Joshua2 http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] popery dopery dock
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- Gentlemen: Speaking of Hitler, he said," when you lie tell big lies". These great liars of history have their faces and voices trained finer than frogs hair and they can lie without hesitation. Very truly yours, Don Huffman What I as an historian of 40 years need is some eyewitness accounts of what the Pope did for the Jews in light of the war years. -- [Mode Selection] ForceExisting=no ExistingSRFile= ForceNew=no IntlMode=no [New Acct Mode] AskSaveAcctInfo=yes SavePasswords=yes AskPersonalInfo=yes AskSurvey=yes AskShareInfo=yes AskBillingInfo=yes RegServer=RegServ.SR [Existing Acct Mode] RegPodURL=http://home.netscape.com/comprod/upgrades/index.html ShowIntro2=yes ShowPhones=no AskName=yes AskLogin=yes AskTTY=no AskEmail=yes AskPhone=yes AskDNS=yes AskHosts=yes AskRegister=yes [General] CardTypes="AX,MC,VI,DC" http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] popery dopery dock
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- It seems to me, the message: As for Pius having Natzi friends etc.; I believe only part of my posting was posted. Sincerely, Don Huffman -- [Mode Selection] ForceExisting=no ExistingSRFile= ForceNew=no IntlMode=no [New Acct Mode] AskSaveAcctInfo=yes SavePasswords=yes AskPersonalInfo=yes AskSurvey=yes AskShareInfo=yes AskBillingInfo=yes RegServer=RegServ.SR [Existing Acct Mode] RegPodURL=http://home.netscape.com/comprod/upgrades/index.html ShowIntro2=yes ShowPhones=no AskName=yes AskLogin=yes AskTTY=no AskEmail=yes AskPhone=yes AskDNS=yes AskHosts=yes AskRegister=yes [General] CardTypes="AX,MC,VI,DC" http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: > >About him having Nazi friends let someone else out there ferret out the >truth about that. There's a book called 'La Popessa." Somebody walked of with my copy years ago so I can't tell you the ISBN, or even rememeber the author's name. But the information you want is in there. Does anybody on this list happen to have a copy? If so, please scan in and post the section about Pacelli meeting Hitler in Munich in 1919 (eyewitness account) and the part about his brother's negotiations with Mussolini at Lateren Castle. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- Dear Joshua2, You are sincere too. Furthur examination, you will find that the "Rat Line" isn't what you think it is. The Vatican provided passports for many and all refugees after WW11. They had not the means in these hec- tic times to investigate the refugees political views. They were home- less and hungry and they helped all they could Jew and Gentile on this basis before and after the War. Considering the 95 acres the Vatican State is, and its limited resources, I believe that time will come when the truth will out and the correct view of history will be written. Be- ware of the Masonic press. As for the Serbian problem, I'm going to leave that to other readers on this site to eluciate on. One very sincere man, told me and showed me a photo of Pius receiving some Bulkan scoundrel. My reaction should have been that Jesus ate and drank with low life that the ruling class rejected. A Pope does have political power but he does not have an army. "How many divisions does the pope have", asked Stalin to Truman who said 'the Pope isn't going to like that'? I refer you to a book by Ralph Epperson, The Unseen Hand, he's not pro- Catholic by any means at all. But he believes as some historians now do that Jews were delivered up by the criminal element of Jews of the ad- option, the Khazars. As an historian I have found that every country has a criminal element. There are the Boxers, the Jacopsians, the Fin- egans of the Irish. But I have yet to find a Jew to admit that they too have a criminal element. The prince of all lies and murders is behind all this confusion. He knows that his time is short and he is farting around having people be- lieve that he is omnipotent. As for me I end with this: Every American is born a fool and I believe we can't help it. Ha. Sincerly, Don Huffman -- [Mode Selection] ForceExisting=no ExistingSRFile= ForceNew=no IntlMode=no [New Acct Mode] AskSaveAcctInfo=yes SavePasswords=yes AskPersonalInfo=yes AskSurvey=yes AskShareInfo=yes AskBillingInfo=yes RegServer=RegServ.SR [Existing Acct Mode] RegPodURL=http://home.netscape.com/comprod/upgrades/index.html ShowIntro2=yes ShowPhones=no AskName=yes AskLogin=yes AskTTY=no AskEmail=yes AskPhone=yes AskDNS=yes AskHosts=yes AskRegister=yes [General] CardTypes="AX,MC,VI,DC" http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- Dear Writer: I think by rat line you should mean that the Vatican feed and helped all refugees that it could after the War. They could not determine by look- ing at a person what he had done. Can anyone? It would be well to hear what Albert Einstein, Golda Muier, and the head Rabbi of Jerusalem said about Pius X11. They praised him highly. And the list of those Jews and Gentiles who were saved goes on. Let them speak here! There is a new kind of conspiracy going on against the Catholic Church. If we would approve abortion, artifical birth control, and the practice of homosexuality; these tormentors who, of course, and guided by the Father of all lies, would leave us alone. About him having Nazi friends let someone else out there ferret out the truth about that. Very sincerly yours, Don Huffman -- [Mode Selection] ForceExisting=no ExistingSRFile= ForceNew=no IntlMode=no [New Acct Mode] AskSaveAcctInfo=yes SavePasswords=yes AskPersonalInfo=yes AskSurvey=yes AskShareInfo=yes AskBillingInfo=yes RegServer=RegServ.SR [Existing Acct Mode] RegPodURL=http://home.netscape.com/comprod/upgrades/index.html ShowIntro2=yes ShowPhones=no AskName=yes AskLogin=yes AskTTY=no AskEmail=yes AskPhone=yes AskDNS=yes AskHosts=yes AskRegister=yes [General] CardTypes="AX,MC,VI,DC" http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: > >If you don't know what the Rat Line is, I suggest you >find >out. Read Blowback by Christopher Simpson, ISBN 0-02-044995-x For a specific account of JPII's friends among the Nazis see: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/company.html http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- Don Huffman wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> > -Cui Bono?- > > Gentlemen: > > I think it would be well for you to listen on EWTN to the Catholic side > of what Pope Pius X11 did for the Jews. You will see and hear what Jews > of the time said about his efforts. Even before the rise of Hitler he > spoke out against the Nazis and against antisemitism. There are docu- > ments to prove this and not all in the Vatican library. There are re- > visionist who are rewriting this history and not all mean well by any > means. Log onto EWTN.org and I know that the reader will be able to > verify that if Pope Pius X11 didn't do enough for the Jews; then who > did more? I think that you are a sincere person Don, but this is simply not the case. The Vatican set up the Rat Line for top Nazis and many SS killers to escape to S. America. If you don't know what the Rat Line is, I suggest you find out. The Vatican also supported the Croat Fascist state. The Croatians were led by high ranking members of the Catholic Church. These monsters outdid the Germans in bestiality toward Serbs, Jews and Gypsies. The Catholic Croats forced the Serbs to convert at the point of a gun. What the Vatican apologized for is nothing compared to what they would need to apologize for if it weren't a big PR stunt to remember a passing Pope. Joshua2 http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- Gentlemen: I think it would be well for you to listen on EWTN to the Catholic side of what Pope Pius X11 did for the Jews. You will see and hear what Jews of the time said about his efforts. Even before the rise of Hitler he spoke out against the Nazis and against antisemitism. There are docu- ments to prove this and not all in the Vatican library. There are re- visionist who are rewriting this history and not all mean well by any means. Log onto EWTN.org and I know that the reader will be able to verify that if Pope Pius X11 didn't do enough for the Jews; then who did more? Artificial birth control. Let it be known that whenever artificial birth control is introduced abortion ALWAYS follows. I think it would be well to reflect on the true cause of the distruction of the family and society since we have had abortion on demand. All this was predicted by Pius X11 in Humani Vitae, on human life. Who has stood up for the help-less unborn, the victims of a greater holocaust than Hitler's, than the Catholic Church? Perhaps some readers would like to give their experience of how the old and the helpless are being treated? This Pius also perdicted. It was Pope John Paul who has called this generation the culture of death. As a practicing Catholic I'm like to apologise for the worst sin we ever did. The crime against Jesus on Holy Thursday when all his apostles lit out on him and Judas betrayed him. It doesn't get any worse than that. When other churches of God have been around for 2000 years they will find that they have done things they regret too. I'm fighting back against unknowing and deliberate anti-Catholisim. If the Catholic Church would approve of artifical birth control, abortion, the practice of homosexuality; the media would leave us alone. Have you heard of Fatima? Have you heard of Garabandal? Have you heard of Medjugorje? You have heard of that wicked Father Porter, haven't you? Have you heard of Father Maxillium Kolbe? Some of we Catholics and getting a little like Jews who when they are unjustly attacked fight back. I pray this posting will be some good for the truth. Donald Huffman -- [Mode Selection] ForceExisting=no ExistingSRFile= ForceNew=no IntlMode=no [New Acct Mode] AskSaveAcctInfo=yes SavePasswords=yes AskPersonalInfo=yes AskSurvey=yes AskShareInfo=yes AskBillingInfo=yes RegServer=RegServ.SR [Existing Acct Mode] RegPodURL=http://home.netscape.com/comprod/upgrades/index.html ShowIntro2=yes ShowPhones=no AskName=yes AskLogin=yes AskTTY=no AskEmail=yes AskPhone=yes AskDNS=yes AskHosts=yes AskRegister=yes [General] CardTypes="AX,MC,VI,DC" http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/"> -Cui Bono?- - Original Message - From: "beltek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [SC] Skeptic News - Sunday #2 > > # Pope In Historic Plea To Pardon Church Sins. VATICAN CITY ... > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2312/ts/pope_forgiveness_4.html > > And was there an apology and a change of direction for preaching > against birth control while asking all others to help the poor? [shiffle shuffle] Hmmm, I don't see it here in the script. Maybe that part got left on the cutting-room floor. Damn editors... > It would seem that taking care of current "sins" of the Church > would be more useful than worrying about what happened over the > centuries. I seem to recall a Rabbi on NPR wondering why JP2 apologized for misdeeds of 500 years back [inquisition] but not for those of 55 years ago [holocaust]. And as for straightening-out the current doctrinal glitches [especially those dealing with reproduction, gender equality, etc], well, hold not thy breath, eh? > m.a. > (the kinder and gentler one, oh, yes!! Compassionate, too, > but not especially conservative.) Did you get as far as the "Have You Hugged Your Wolf Today?" entry in one of the bulletins? We know where your heart really lies... Ric "I used to be kinder & gentler, but it didn't take" Carter http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
