Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]
-Caveat Lector- Scott Brown wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- MJ: I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. THIS is capitalism. Where is the state you were requiring? Das GOAT wrote: First off, it's NOT capitalism. It's simply an economic exchange -- "barter," mediated by money, i.e., a transferable "right" to goods at value, "earned" by labor, traded for labor. Now, if you contracted with me to paint your front porch, it cost me $20 in labor and materials to do it, and you only paid me $10 --making MONEY "FOR NOTHING," but your PROFIT of $10 only paid for by MY loss-- THAT would be capitalism. MJ: No force here only your stupidity in contracting without concern for you benefit -- unless of course it was your intention for charity. Serious flaw here buddy. Even stupid people have the right not to be ripped off by sharpsters. Capitalism is the social system based upon private ownership of the means of production which entails a completely uncontrolled and unregulated economy where all property is privately owned. It's not a social system, but an economic system. It also happens to be an economic system that rots the social system it coexists with. This country is a good example of that. Post communist Russia is an even better example of that. Crime and corruption are the indicators of rot in a social system. Need I say more? But the separation of the state and the economy is not a primary, it is only an aspect of the premise that capitalism is based upon: individual rights. Capitalism is the only politico-economic system based on the doctrine of individual rights. This means that capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life in any manner he chooses as long as he does not violate the rights of others. So then it is OK in your opinion to choose an economic system other than capitalism if enough of us use our individual rights to do so. Isn't that correct? And if that should happen, all you hard core rugged individualists would be free to leave this country and move to Russia where true Capitalism flourishes. Have a nice trip. Dress warmly, and don't forget your gun. Bon Voyage mon ami, Joshua2 I already warned you guys once. I guess I have to hand out towels for all the mental masturbators. Lookey there, you have gone and made a mess. We shall soon see who among us is masturbating. It won't be a pleasant sight. I have heard rumors that Ayn Rand is the most popular centerfold among degenerate capitalists. Fully clothed. I just don't get it. Oh the humanity...! J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-05 07:51:51 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We shall soon see who among us is masturbating. It won't be a pleasant sight. I have heard rumors that Ayn Rand is the most popular centerfold among degenerate capitalists. Fully clothed. I just don't get it. Be sure to see "The Passion of Ayn Rand" coming to cable TV soon. It demonstrates that her political ideal --"rational selifishness"-- when translated into the interpersonal sphere gave her the morals of an alleycat. Apparently Bill Clinton is an Objectivist ... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]
-Caveat Lector- nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- MJ: I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. THIS is capitalism. Where is the state you were requiring? Das GOAT wrote: First off, it's NOT capitalism. It's simply an economic exchange -- "barter," mediated by money, i.e., a transferable "right" to goods at value, "earned" by labor, traded for labor. Now, if you contracted with me to paint your front porch, it cost me $20 in labor and materials to do it, and you only paid me $10 --making MONEY "FOR NOTHING," but your PROFIT of $10 only paid for by MY loss-- THAT would be capitalism. MJ: No force here only your stupidity in contracting without concern for you benefit -- unless of course it was your intention for charity. Serious flaw here buddy. Even stupid people have the right not to be ripped off by sharpsters. Capitalism is the social system based upon private ownership of the means of production which entails a completely uncontrolled and unregulated economy where all property is privately owned. It's not a social system, but an economic system. It also happens to be an economic system that rots the social system it coexists with. This country is a good example of that. Post communist Russia is an even better example of that. Crime and corruption are the indicators of rot in a social system. Need I say more? But the separation of the state and the economy is not a primary, it is only an aspect of the premise that capitalism is based upon: individual rights. Capitalism is the only politico-economic system based on the doctrine of individual rights. This means that capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life in any manner he chooses as long as he does not violate the rights of others. So then it is OK in your opinion to choose an economic system other than capitalism if enough of us use our individual rights to do so. Isn't that correct? And if that should happen, all you hard core rugged individualists would be free to leave this country and move to Russia where true Capitalism flourishes. Have a nice trip. Dress warmly, and don't forget your gun. Bon Voyage mon ami, Joshua2 I already warned you guys once. I guess I have to hand out towels for all the mental masturbators. Lookey there, you have gone and made a mess. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]
-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Jeff Russo wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: You guys are hilarious. Capitalism can not exist without the State. MJ: I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. THIS is capitalism. Where is the state you were requiring? I contract with you... I pay you $20. You do NOT paint my porch. I now have two options: 1) hunt you down and get my money back or kill you. 2) Use some sort of legal recourse, provided by the state, to solve this dispute. A smoothly functioning Capitalist economy needs some sort of judicial system to ensure enforcement of contracts and settle disputes. This, by the way, is just about ALL you need from the state. But the Wise folks in Washington have provided us with SO much more! :) === Actually there is a third option. Belong to an organization which guarantees contracts not by force by by shunning. That is, if a person fails to fulfill his contract he would be black balled by the organization. The threat of subsequent loss of income (and reputation) would probably have as much effect as our present system which only seems intent on joining the thief in his thievery. Howard Davis Hey, you guys are gonna have to clean all that stuff up you know. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
