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-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. MJ: Whatever the MOB says goes? Certainly a Tyranny easily identified by another name. nurev wrote: You keep calling groups of people a mob. MJ: Only where warranted. nurev wrote: Surely not every human grouping is a mob in your adolescent philosophy is it? Ad hominem, straw man nurev wrote: There are gangs, and tribes, and citizens, and teams, and consumers, and populations. But you see us all as mobs. No wonder you don't have the courage to live in a democracy. MJ: I am not interested in being ruled by the whim of 50%+1 of the population. I prefer liberty. Regard$, --MJ You don't have many options available. It's either Plutocracy or Democracy. I think that we will soon be finishing with Plutocracy. Then you will have to choose. It's a tough life. J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- No it isn't. It isn't anything at all like rape. Are you speaking from personal experience here, or just passing along hearsay? You're not fishing are you? You're not one of those twisted sickies looking for some kinky action on the internet are you? Because if you are, I'll have to pass. I'm not that kind of boy. J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS 03 My Body.A
-Caveat Lector- I would ask each and every one of you WHAT drug cartels existed at the time government began regulating? Certainly there were no Mexican or Columbian drug lords then. They are Johnny-come-lately puppets and stooges, poseurs and wannabes. Look behind them. The first real drug cartel in the modern sense was German. It's still here. It's bigger than ever. It is still the most powerful force in the pharmaceutical industry and a major player on the world economic stage. We just don't hear about it on the news, that's all. The "cartels" we hear about are, at best, among of its subsidiaries. Mostly though, it treats them like labor, underpaid and easily replaced. It is hard for stiffs like us to think of the unbelievable fortunes they make as constituting underpayment, but try. Follow the money. Don't lose the trail in Cali. The REAL money goes to their suppliers, the insidious fascist and Nazi cabal at the core of the modern drug trade. Their extent of their profits, and society's loss, is scarcely conceivable. Suffice to say that they have made the Fascist International, in the guise of its various fronts, a major player on the world economic stage. Worse, the profit is not merely and end in and of itself; it is a means. It feeds the fascist war chest and hastens the day of their total world domination. The users, particularly the small but significant minority of users who are actually addicts, profit least of all the people directly involved. In a very real sense they lose big. We lose bigger. We have lost our basic rights, our security, and common sense. By "warring" on drugs we are providing a funding source to the greatest enemies of liberty the world has ever known. Their puppet politicians have set the price for the commodity the sell at astronomically inflated prices. This is economic warfare. Their ubiquitous propaganda has convinced most of us to go along with it. This is psychological warfare. The drugs themselves are chemical warfare. The real war isn't against drugs, it's against liberty. We're losing the war. The drugs themselves have virtually negligible production costs. Labor, as usual, is what adds the value. The people we hear called "cartels" on the news are laborers. They are soldiers, accountants, pilots, executives, secretaries, lawyers, spies, drivers, loaders and kickers. They are not the bosses. It is best to conceive of them in military terms because that is their primary function. The so called "War On (Some) Drugs" really is a war. It is not a war against drugs; it is a war against us and what is left of our human rights. In military terms the "cartels" we see on the evening news are the "irregular auxiliaries" of the REAL cartel that pulls their strings, the one we do NOT see on the evening news. It uses, and when it chooses to, discards them like the cogs that they are. We see the only gears and think they are the whole machine. To give you some idea of the enormous sophistication with which German chemists have established their dominance in the world of drugs, both legal and illegal, I intend quite shortly to share with you a little story about an ingenious Chemical, Biological Warfare campaign they waged in the years before WWII and during the early part of the war itself. It is the story of Atabrine. It will be, I hope, illustrative of their thought processes and of some of their methods of operation. In subsequent posts I will expand on this theme by way of explaining how the temporary setback inflicted on them by the Allied, particularly the Soviet, armed forces set into motion a series of events that established the modern cocaine trade, and to a lesser extent the heroin trade, as we know it today. In a nutshell, they made the best of a bad situation, the very best. In a very real sense the military defeat of Germany was a blessing in disguise for the Nazis themselves. Every situation, ours today included, has historical roots, is part of a numerous intersecting historical processes, and momentum. We didn't get to be this way over night and we didn't get this way without reason. Nothing stems from nothing. Everything has causes. Everything has roots. If you don't know where our so-called "drug" problem came from you lack clue one as to where it is going. You really should know where it is going because it is dragging you along, whether you like it or not, whether you know it or not, even if you never got high a day in your life. Not all drugs get you high. Of those that do, no two have exactly the same effects. All drugs though, be they legal or not, psychotropic or not, be they whatever, have one thing in common. They all have effects, some obvious, some not so obvious. Sometimes it is the less obvious effects that ultimately prove to have the greatest consequences. This is particularly true when drugs are used in combination with each other. What is less well known is that they can on occasion have additional and sometimes quite
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. MJ: Whatever the MOB says goes? Certainly a Tyranny easily identified by another name. You keep calling groups of people a mob. Surely not every human grouping is a mob in your adolescent philosophy is it? There are gangs, and tribes, and citizens, and teams, and consumers, and populations. But you see us all as mobs. No wonder you don't have the courage to live in a democracy. nurev wrote: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard this song before. But do keep it up. This is what keeps Libertarians irrelevant as a political group. MJ: Ad hominem, straw man. Sub-Homminy, Tin Man. Regard$, --MJ We won't dispassionately investigate or rationally debate which drugs do what damage and whether or how much of that damage is the result of criminalization. We'd rather work ourselves into a screaming fit of puritanism and then go home and take a pill. -- P.J. O'Rourke O'Rourke hasn't been funny since he was a Lefty on the Lampoon. Sad really. He had potential. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. MJ: Whatever the MOB says goes? Certainly a Tyranny easily identified by another name. nurev wrote: You keep calling groups of people a mob. MJ: Only where warranted. nurev wrote: Surely not every human grouping is a mob in your adolescent philosophy is it? Ad hominem, straw man nurev wrote: There are gangs, and tribes, and citizens, and teams, and consumers, and populations. But you see us all as mobs. No wonder you don't have the courage to live in a democracy. MJ: I am not interested in being ruled by the whim of 50%+1 of the population. I prefer liberty. Regard$, --MJ It is the besetting vice of democracies to substitute public opinion for law. This is the usual form in which the masses of men exhibit their tyranny. -- James Fenimore Cooper DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. MJ: Whatever the MOB says goes? Certainly a Tyranny easily identified by another name. nurev wrote: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard this song before. But do keep it up. This is what keeps Libertarians irrelevant as a political group. MJ: Ad hominem, straw man. Regard$, --MJ We won't dispassionately investigate or rationally debate which drugs do what damage and whether or how much of that damage is the result of criminalization. We'd rather work ourselves into a screaming fit of puritanism and then go home and take a pill. -- P.J. O'Rourke DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. MJ: Whatever the MOB says goes? Certainly a Tyranny easily identified by another name. Regard$, --MJ A Democracy: Three wolves and a sheep voting on dinner. A Republic: The flock gets to vote for which wolves vote on dinner. A Constitutional Republic: Voting on dinner is expressly forbidden, and the sheep are armed. Federal Government: The means by which the sheep will be fooled into voting for a Democracy... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- No it isn't. It isn't anything at all like rape. Are you speaking from personal experience here, or just passing along hearsay? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- The issue is who owns your body, you or the government. When somebody else, not yourself, decides what goes into your body and what does not go into your body, that is precisely and exactly the same thing as rape. No it isn't. It isn't anything at all like rape. J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- "M. A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Jeremy Brown: The point I am trying (in vain, it would appear) to make is that there are people in the world who think nothing of starting the day by smoking a rock of crack and then driving a school bus. MJ: How exactly is passing a Law which says one cannot 'smoke a rock of crack' going to ensure 'people' are NOT going to then 'drive a school bus'? We have discriminatory drunk driving laws currently, but 'people' STILL choose this behavior. Regard$, --MJ Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains. -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau A law is like a warning. The law won't stop you from doing the act. BUT! If you do the act anyway and get caught, you will be punished for breaking the law AND getting caught. Obviously drunk drivers should be jailed for a considerable amount of time. Just to make a good impression. Since the state licenses you to drive, the state should REVOKE your license when you don't follow the law. Yes there are stupid laws on the books, but some of them are not. Safety laws are not. This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- "M. A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Jeremy Brown: The point I am trying (in vain, it would appear) to make is that there are people in the world who think nothing of starting the day by smoking a rock of crack and then driving a school bus. MJ: How exactly is passing a Law which says one cannot 'smoke a rock of crack' going to ensure 'people' are NOT going to then 'drive a school bus'? We have discriminatory drunk driving laws currently, but 'people' STILL choose this behavior. Regard$, --MJ Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains. -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau A law is like a warning. The law won't stop you from doing the act. BUT! If you do the act anyway and get caught, you will be punished for breaking the law AND getting caught. Obviously drunk drivers should be jailed for a considerable amount of time. Just to make a good impression. Since the state licenses you to drive, the state should REVOKE your license when you don't follow the law. Yes there are stupid laws on the books, but some of them are not. Safety laws are not. This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. Joshua2 Sorry just have to ask "Where is Libertaria? How far is it, and how do I get there? if you can promise me Janet Reno won't be there I might be interested...hmmm.." Sincerely Barley P.S. "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- kimberly smith wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- "M. A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Jeremy Brown: The point I am trying (in vain, it would appear) to make is that there are people in the world who think nothing of starting the day by smoking a rock of crack and then driving a school bus. MJ: How exactly is passing a Law which says one cannot 'smoke a rock of crack' going to ensure 'people' are NOT going to then 'drive a school bus'? We have discriminatory drunk driving laws currently, but 'people' STILL choose this behavior. Regard$, --MJ Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains. -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau A law is like a warning. The law won't stop you from doing the act. BUT! If you do the act anyway and get caught, you will be punished for breaking the law AND getting caught. Obviously drunk drivers should be jailed for a considerable amount of time. Just to make a good impression. Since the state licenses you to drive, the state should REVOKE your license when you don't follow the law. Yes there are stupid laws on the books, but some of them are not. Safety laws are not. This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. Joshua2 Sorry just have to ask "Where is Libertaria? How far is it, and how do I get there? if you can promise me Janet Reno won't be there I might be interested...hmmm.." Sincerely Barley P.S. "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt" It's next to Fantasy Land. No Janet Reno. J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/02/99 17:30:14, you write: No it isn't. It isn't anything at all like rape. J2 Seconded !!!1 Margaret DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/6/99 9:30:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. Joshua2 Well, on paper at least right now. We, in the US, live in a constitutional republic based upon unalienable individual rights. In my book that's it. Yes, the Constitution is ignored and we live in a quasi-fascist state. I believe that much of 'our problems' can be solved through the chartering authority of the States in regards to corporations, through education and the continuing cultural overthrow of the conspiratorial framework. Not through restrictive statist control and non-adherence to common law. Onwards to the utmost of futures! Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- The issue is who owns your body, you or the government. When somebody else, not yourself, decides what goes into your body and what does not go into your body, that is precisely and exactly the same thing as rape. No it isn't. It isn't anything at all like rape. Why is it like rape? Why is it not like rape? It what way are they similar? In what way are they different? It appears to me that both of you need a lesson in rhetoric. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- On 6 Feb 99, , nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- "M. A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Jeremy Brown: The point I am trying (in vain, it would appear) to make is that there are people in the world who think nothing of starting the day by smoking a rock of crack and then driving a school bus. MJ: How exactly is passing a Law which says one cannot 'smoke a rock of crack' going to ensure 'people' are NOT going to then 'drive a school bus'? We have discriminatory drunk driving laws currently, but 'people' STILL choose this behavior. Regard$, --MJ Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains. -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau A law is like a warning. The law won't stop you from doing the act. BUT! If you do the act anyway and get caught, you will be punished for breaking the law AND getting caught. Obviously drunk drivers should be jailed for a considerable amount of time. Just to make a good impression. Since the state licenses you to drive, the state should REVOKE your license when you don't follow the law. Yes there are stupid laws on the books, but some of them are not. Safety laws are not. This is how modern society is organized. If you don't like it, move to Libertaria. Hates to mention it , guys, but we already have very strict laws against "Driving Under the Influence"--that's the influence of drugs OR alcohol. If you are cauight Driving Under the Influence, your car can be impounded, you can lose your license (which means, in some places, not being able to work) AND end up with a long jail sentence. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS 03 My Body.A
-Caveat Lector- People do not do stupid/illegal things because they have guns or knives. There is no such thing as "stupid/illegal." "Stupid" and "illegal" are different words. They have different meanings. To conjoin them is disingenuous. Disingenuous rhetoric is characteristic of the War On (Some) Drugs. People do stupid/illegal thing when they are in a stupor. Drugs are not the only things that stupefy people. Lies stupefy. Belief stupefies. We have been lied to about drugs by what we nievely believe to be "our own" government. It is not "our" government. It is GOG, the Gangster Occupation Government, puppet of the drug cartels. It is a master of disinformation. It's lies have stupefied us beyond anything the drugs themselves were ever capable of. The drugs themselves stupefy only those who abuse them. The lies stupefy us all. Guns have been at every one's finger tips for the last 200 years. When I was a kid there was no rules against carrying a knife in school (except switch blades) Kids could get guns from home, but they weren't going to school with guns. I remember that era, too. We didn't carry guns because there was nothing to be gained by carrying guns. This is no longer true. Guns and knives were ready available for the last 200 years ago but it has not been until the last 45 years after the dope revolution that kids have been murdering kids and metal detectors are in schools. Drugs has been around and in use since Neanderthal times. Never were they fought over until they were prohibited by law. What ever harm they do to those who use them pales beside what the fighting has done to the rest of us. In 1986 I was ripped off for my tools, the ones with which I was feeding my family at the time. There is no doubt whatsoever that they were stolen by a cocaine addict. There is no doubt whatsoever that he sold them to buy cocaine. There is also no doubt that elements of the United States Government aid, abet, profit from and in some cases participate directly in the cocaine trade. Ergo, some of the money that cocaine addict paid for his drug went to the United States Government. This is precisely and exactly the same thing as taxation without representation. Taxation without representation is the single most un-American act possible. To be rid of taxation without representation is the very reason our ancestors ran the redcoats out and founded this nation in the first place. Taxation without representation is plain and simple robbery, nothing more and nothing less. I was robbed. I want my money back. I was robbed by what I was told was my own government. They used a sick man's illness to force him to do their dirty work for them. The way I figure, they robbed him, too. Drugs are for sick people. This man was sick, nothing more. They robbed a sick man of his dignity and of his health. Eventually, so I've heard, they robbed him of his life itself. Drug addiction is a sickness. It should be a matter between the patient and his doctor. There is one reason and one reason only that it is not. That reason is profit. There is no other reason that any of the rest of us should be in any way effected or even, for that matter, know about it. It's none of our business. Billions are made because of prohibition. It has corrupted our society at every level, from the cop on the corner to the very highest office in the land. For the first time in all recorded history it has provided the addict with economic motivation to spread his disease. It has spread like wildfire. The very thing we were told that prohibition was enacted to prevent, it has fueled. We were lied to. Then we were robbed. We are still being lied to and we are still being robbed. Kids carry guns to school, not because of the drugs themselves, not because they are in a "stupor," but because a small but significant number of them are involved in an extremely lucrative business, a business so lucrative that people of all ages, all races, both genders, and all stations in life are willing, and in many cases eager, to kill for a chunk of it. This business never existed until prohibition. The very first day that prohibition no longer exists it too will cease to exist; it will cease to plague humanity. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- Jeremy Brown: The point I am trying (in vain, it would appear) to make is that there are people in the world who think nothing of starting the day by smoking a rock of crack and then driving a school bus. MJ: How exactly is passing a Law which says one cannot 'smoke a rock of crack' going to ensure 'people' are NOT going to then 'drive a school bus'? We have discriminatory drunk driving laws currently, but 'people' STILL choose this behavior. Regard$, --MJ Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains. -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
