Re: [CTRL] American Depravity by William Norman Grigg
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 04/04/2000 11:47:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The wonderful thing about today's media is that you really can choose what you watch. You can tune in to Turner Classic Movies-- if you have cable-- and see all the Oscar winning movies that were, including the 1932 version of Midsummer Night's Dream with Mickey Rooney (as a kid) playing Puck and a young James Cagney playing Bottom (the Special Effects are stunning). Or Shirley Temple in The Bluebird--to mention only two of the least controversial films on a very long list. Oh Owl, wasn't that sort of pre-talkie talkie marvellous. I've only seen it once, but I was enthralled. I had a thing for Victor Jory for ages after I saw that. And that beautiful child who became a kind of underlord in Hollywood (can't think of the name right now. And Merle Oberon. Oh, it was an experience. I saw it in about l976. A few days later I saw "The Naughty Old Lady." It's a French film. If you ever get a chance to see it. The acting is fabulous. It's not often you see two good ones in the same week. There is some good stuff out there. Just enough to prove they can do without car chases, karate battles and long, long, long, long, long sex scenes. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] American Depravity by William Norman Grigg
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- The shame of it all is we are expected to foot the bill for whatever comes into the theatres. An interesting study of Hollyweird and its gaggle of silly geese can be seen on, paradoxically enough, the E! channel, most notably either via its Scandals or its True Hollywood Story series. There's an article somewhere dealing with whether or not the big 'stars' are worth the $$$ paid to them for their protrayal of life as we (are told we should) know it. My disenchantment with Hollyweird came about after learning that Jim Carrey makes about $20M a flick, for being a 'Pet Detective', no less. This is not to forget Bruce Willis and Mel Gibson making mega$$$ for their contributions to the violence and mayhem on the (tarnished) silver screen. The latest from Gibson in the video stores is *Payback* which is well done (everyone gets paid back) but his one-man (after the fashion of "Rambo") war against some gangsters has something lacking ... and his character only wants $70K out of it, $70K we are supposed to believe he deserves but an amount he stole to begin with, nevertheless. And I thought *Taxi Driver* was violent a quarter century ago (couldn't watch some scenes). And, so: we pay the theatres who pay the distributors who pay the whoevers on up the line with $$$ feeding the imaginations of the stars and directors and producers and whoevers in search of the next obscenity. I think the most egregious example of this scam was *Saving Private Ryan* (which was essentially a remake of the *Longest Day* with an old *Combat* (TV show) script as the pretext for the story). And for this Spielberg and Hanks got some award from the War Department. Shows how easily Gen X is duped and entertained by remakes of reruns. And the ending, when Ryan asks if he was worth it; to the studios, all those grave markers must have looked like the $$$ amount placards in an old cash register. Why didn't Ryan ask the surviving family members of all who (supposedly) lost their lives tracking him down? And just what did Ryan do in the intervening years in justification for the orgy of blood and guts that Spielberg and Hanks spilled all over the place? AER Subject: [CTRL] American Depravity by William Norman Grigg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- American Depravity by William Norman Grigg -- Released last year to rave reviews, the movie 'American Beauty' is nothing more than propaganda for the latest American depravity. -- Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] American Depravity by William Norman Grigg
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- For years I have regarded the Academy Awards as Hollywood masturbating in a mirror, and giving "American Beauty" the Best Picture award only proves my point. My wife and I saw it last week, and for once we agreed on a film: this one is not simply perverse, it is perverted. It has absolutely no redeeming social value...it doesn't know whether it's a black comedy, a social commentary, a tragedy, or what, and just winds up being disgusting. - Original Message - From: Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 1:07 AM Subject: [CTRL] American Depravity by William Norman Grigg -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- American Depravity by William Norman Grigg -- Released last year to rave reviews, the movie 'American Beauty' is nothing more than propaganda for the latest American depravity. -- snip A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] American Depravity by William Norman Grigg
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Well, either We detect some "Grapes of Wrath" at the Oscars, or are we not "All Is Quiet on the Western Front".? Given your comments - all well desirved I might add - You're giving the Screen Actors Guild and the Academy "Das Boot" ? Zer Goot ! The majority of the Gen. X Crowd would do well listening to their Grandparents as to the Truth of Real American History that they lived through. Those of us in our late 40's can remember our parents tell us the Truth how they grew up in and lived through the Great Depression, WW II, and Korea. We in the 40's can relate to the Gen. X crowd the Truth of Nam and Why We Aren't "Fonda Jane"! Some of the pundits critized "Saving Private Ryan" calling it - "Shaving Ryan's Private's". Because of the Ads and reviews I did go to see the movie, And the Effects Really Rattled My Nerves ! I remember was it 25 years ago, that George C. Scott played General Patton, in "PATTON", and there was the "Battle of the Buldge". When my Father, who was there in the Ardenn, in that Town Surrounded y the German Divisions, He told me how they made it through on Nothing But Courage. He was a War Hero many times over. And had suffered the rest of his life from what he went through. I remember he told me his G.I. General told the Nazi General "NUTS" as to terms of Surrender. He told me Never Ever Give Up or Surrender ! I know that If God didn't allow for the Weather to break for the U.S. Army Air Corps to get through, along with Patton's 3rd Armored Division to break off one battle to race to their rescue - I would Not have a Father to guide me growing up. And that Battle would have been another "Alamo". My Dad has been gone now since 1982. And I never feel that I could Thank Him Enough, or my Uncles, the rest of their Generation for what Terrior they had to endure.Now the Torch has been passed onto us by our parents. Those of us who are the Gen. X Parents have the Moral Resposibility and Duty to Teach them the Truth of our American History, NOT the Intellectual Flatulence that is written in the current "Revisionist History and Social Studies Books". Our American Culture is Valuable as it was passed on to us by those generations that came before us. And we Must preserve it to pass it "improved" onto the next one. For If we don't; when it is our time for judgement, what will we say to those who made the ultiminate sacrifice for our sake? To have let our Society to Degerate as much as it had, or any further? As Gen. Douglas McArthur said at his farewell speach to Congress, "Old Soldiers never DieThey Just Fade Away." We must always remember the Blood of the Patriots made this Nation Free, And not let our Heritage, our Culture Fade Away. We Owe it to Them. ~ Mike ~ U.A.I.C.- VT. ** * De Oppresso Liber * * A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] American Depravity by William Norman Grigg
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On 4 Apr 00, at 18:33, Alamaine wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- The shame of it all is we are expected to foot the bill for whatever comes into the theatres. An interesting study of Hollyweird and its gaggle of silly geese can be seen on, paradoxically enough, the E! channel, most notably either via its Scandals or its True Hollywood Story series. There's an article somewhere dealing with whether or not the big 'stars' are worth the $$$ paid to them for their protrayal of life as we (are told we should) know it. My disenchantment with Hollyweird came about after learning that Jim Carrey makes about $20M a flick, for being a 'Pet Detective', no less. The wonderful thing about today's media is that you really can choose what you watch. You can tune in to Turner Classic Movies-- if you have cable-- and see all the Oscar winning movies that were, including the 1932 version of Midsummer Night's Dream with Mickey Rooney (as a kid) playing Puck and a young James Cagney playing Bottom (the Special Effects are stunning). Or Shirley Temple in The Bluebird--to mention only two of the least controversial films on a very long list. Or try Bravo, which runs quite a few golden oldies as well as some of the best independent films that have been produced recently. Given a ton of rain, I've been doing some movie catch-up. Two of the new releases on video that should appeal to someone on this list are The Brass Ring--with a film script about a presidential election and political corruption by Orson Welles-- and Arlington Road, with a script that seems to be based on the stories behind Ruby Ridge and the Oklahoma City bombing. Veerrry interesting. And for extras, there's The Thirteenth Warrior. I picked it up because it was the only relatively new release available one night at my local video store. I've been reading Seamus Heaney's new translation of Beowulf, the early classic of English literature. Imagine my surprise when I saw the story of Beowulf unfold onscreen. It credits a screenplay based on Michael Crichton's Eaters of the Dead. But Eaters of the Dead is Crichton's adaptation of Beowulf. And except for Banderos' role, all the elements of Heaney's translation are right there on the screen. And, in my opinion, fairly well done, too. Although I agree about the consolidation of the media which is giving the "packagable stars" outrageous salaries and leaving many, many fine actors with peanuts for pay, none of the above seemed particularly depraved to me. You still get to choose what you watch. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] American Depravity by William Norman Grigg
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On 3 Apr 00, at 22:07, Bard wrote: American Beauty' is the most successful film adaptation yet of the strategy outlined in 'After the Ball, a 1989 blueprint for the mass media's campaign to normalize homosexual perversion. Gee, and here I thought it was a film about appearances, the veneer of respectability, American careerism and materialism, and making assumptions about people on insufficient information. Silly me. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
