Re: [CTRL] Criminalizing Homelessness

[Hawk]

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Agent Smiley wrote:

> Granted, such forced charity serves few, in the long run.  However, don't you
> think the government is 'up to' things that require addressing more than
> forced equity?

There is no such thing as "forced charity."  It is either charity, or its
forced... Socialism is to altruism, what slavery is to servanthood.

> >  One has the right to the opportunity.  Such opportunities are killed when a
> government works in collusion to create certain negative images of a people or
> subculture.  Such opportunities are killed when the government uses our tax
> dollars to import cocaine, sell it to street gangs to fund a political and
> military agenda that, again, serves THEM(AND provides yet another opportunity
> to propagate the image of certain peoples as negative).

Hey, I'm glad you identified the govm't as the primary destroyer of
opportunities.  Good going...

> >There is a powerful craving in most of us to see ourselves as  instruments
> in the hands of others and thus free ourselves from the responsibility for acts
> which are prompted by our own questionable inclinations and impulses.

It may be a powerful craving in you... not me... If you are correct, and you may
be, that would explain why there are more "have nots" than there are "haves."

> >Both the strong and the weak grasp at this alibi. The latter hide their
> malevolence  under the virtue of obedience: they acted dishonorably because
> >they had to obey orders. The strong, too, claim absolution by proclaiming
> themselves the chosen instrument of a higher power -- God, history, fate, nation
> or humanity.  -- Eric Hoffer

Is this Eric Hoffer the Marxist Eric Hoffer?

Hawk

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Re: [CTRL] Criminalizing Homelessness

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>
>  MJ:
> For the Government to 'care for' or 'provide for' these
> urban outdoorsmen (who are reaping the net result of the
> CHOICES they made) it must first TAKE from others.  How
> is this 'fair' to those 'gripers' you describe above?

People are left with little when a government, or anyone else, steals,
'legally' or not.  Such 'taking' as you call it is no more wrong than 'murder'
of someone who intends to murder YOU.  I'm guessing you talk little with such
'urban outdoorsmen.'

>

>
>  MJ:
>   Throwing around emotives like 'Social Darwinists' ... if one
>   has the RIGHT to survival ... he has the RIGHT to enslave
>   another for such a purpose.
>  Edward Britton wrote:
>"Social Darwinism" is hardly an emotive and hardly a term that
> I coined.  It refers to a general belief in the social equivalent
> of survival of the fittest. Such a doctrine is fine in feudal
> systems, but once a social system has been formed for the mutual
> benefit of all (civilization), such doctrines become
> antiquated--or would if not revived by those of rightist bent.
> Choose one: feudal system or civilization (representative
> democracy or otherwise) and be willing to pay the price for
> your decision.
>
>  MJ:
>  How exactly does one with a desire for treating every person
>  to the SAME standard equate to 'social darwinism'?
>
>  I do not subscribe to the 'strawman' attempts you assert above ...
>  I merely believe EACH and EVERY individual has a RIGHT to their
>  OWN life with Government serving its legitimate function by
>  subjagating FORCE to this standard.

Yet you seem in favor of government using it's force to protect those that use
force.

>
>  [note I have ONLY addressed someone FORCING another to aid in THEIR
>  cause -- the ideal of charity has NOT been broached.]

Granted, such forced charity serves few, in the long run.  However, don't you
think the government is 'up to' things that require addressing more than
forced equity?

>
>
>
>
>  MJ:
>   Yes, this is typical ... blame *ANYONE* but one's self.
>   Who -- exactly --made those choices which placed you in
>   the predicament?
>  Edward Britton wrote:
> In this/my case, you are partially correct. I was to blame for
> not having adequately prepared myself financially (at nineteen,
> such concepts were sort of abstract :-)). My employer took it
> from there by downsizing me during the initial stages of
> Reagan's "trickle-down" economy.
>
>  MJ:
>  More emotive chichés ... which are truly meaningless.
>  Need I LIST the various choices you made which placed you in your
>  dilemma?  Do you believe one has the RIGHT to a job?

One has the right to the opportunity.  Such opportunities are killed when a
government works in collusion to create certain negative images of a people or
subculture.  Such opportunities are killed when the government uses our tax
dollars to import cocaine, sell it to street gangs to fund a political and
military agenda that, again, serves THEM(AND provides yet another opportunity
to propagate the image of certain peoples as negative).

>
>
>
>
>  MJ:
>   When one is free to make his own decisions, how is it another's
>   fault when the results prove deficient?
>  Edward Britton wrote:
> This is the key deficiency in the understanding of those of
> rightist affiliation: a great many people fall prey to
> circumstances beyond their control, and well outside the realm
> of choice. One can stretch the philosophy of "blame the victim"
> only so far before the argument becomes rediculous.
>
>  MJ:
>  'Blame the victim' ... ???
>
>There is a powerful craving in most of us to see ourselves as
>instruments in the hands of others and thus free ourselves from
>the responsibility for acts which are prompted by our own
>questionable inclinations and impulses.
True.

>Both the strong and
>the weak grasp at this alibi. The latter hide their malevolence
>under the virtue of obedience: they acted dishonorably because
>they had to obey orders. The strong, too, claim absolution by
>proclaiming themselves the chosen instrument of a higher
>power -- God, history, fate, nation or humanity.  -- Eric Hoffer
>
>
>
>  MJ:
>   Are you fearful of freedom?
>  Edward Britton wrote:
> I am fearful of being run over by a system in which I have
> no representation. I guess it's a matter of choosing who
> and by what means should I be run over.
>
>  MJ:
>  If one is treated the SAME as all others ... how is this possible?

Are we all treated the same?  If so, no need to be on this list and be
concerned with conspiracies.  If not, your argument is baseless.

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Re: [CTRL] Criminalizing Homelessness

[M.A. Johnson]

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MJ:
  Government should serve ONLY to provide ALL individuals
  protection fron FORCE and FRAUD ... certainly that should
  take closer to 5% of one's earnings rather than 50% plus.

Edward Britton wrote:
This would be fine, but how would the government "know" whom
to protect inasmuch as there is a significant portion of our
population with no political voice. Therefore this governmental
attribute you hold so dear becomes a defense mechanism for the
elite. Hence the present chasm, in this nation, between the
have's and the have-not's.

MJ:
Not at all ... Jefferson identified Natural Rights in the
Declaration of Independence.  THIS -- an individual's RIGHT
to his OWN life -- is the standard for our moral nation AND
for a free society.  If the government merely upheld this
standard by protecting ALL ... your emotive concerns regarding
'haves' and 'have-nots' (whatever that might entail) has no
bearing.

What you describe above is what we are currently saddled -- a
government which has exceeded the limitations imposed upon
it ... utilizing its monopoly of legalized force to 'grow' its
power.  In exchange for votes, the G takes money from productive
citizens and redistributes it to the elderly for instance.

May I recommend:
Frederic Bastiat _The Law_
http://www.bomis.com/cgi-bin/ring.cgi?page=2&ring=bastiat




MJ:
   For the Government to 'care for' or 'provide for' these
   urban outdoorsmen (who are reaping the net result of the
   CHOICES they made) it must first TAKE from others.  How
   is this 'fair' to those 'gripers' you describe above?

Edward Britton wrote:
   A) How do the mentally impaired fall under your rubric of
  "reaping the net result of the choices they make"?
  How do those families--specifically children-- displaced
  by economic down-turns fall under the rubric of "net
  result of choice"?

   B) It is fair by nature of the fact that the aforementioned
  gripers reap a disproportionately large benefit from
  life in this society.

MJ:
A. The 'mentally impaired' are the responsibility of the
   parents that freely chose to procreate.

A2. If one had a TRUE concern for children they would REVERSE the
current course for their care -- supplying THEM to the means
rather than the means to their irresponsible parents.

B. ANYONE can benefit from a FREE society (which ours certainly
   is NOT at current)





MJ:
 Throwing around emotives like 'Social Darwinists' ... if one
 has the RIGHT to survival ... he has the RIGHT to enslave
 another for such a purpose.
Edward Britton wrote:
  "Social Darwinism" is hardly an emotive and hardly a term that
   I coined.  It refers to a general belief in the social equivalent
   of survival of the fittest. Such a doctrine is fine in feudal
   systems, but once a social system has been formed for the mutual
   benefit of all (civilization), such doctrines become
   antiquated--or would if not revived by those of rightist bent.
   Choose one: feudal system or civilization (representative
   democracy or otherwise) and be willing to pay the price for
   your decision.

MJ:
How exactly does one with a desire for treating every person
to the SAME standard equate to 'social darwinism'?

I do not subscribe to the 'strawman' attempts you assert above ...
I merely believe EACH and EVERY individual has a RIGHT to their
OWN life with Government serving its legitimate function by
subjagating FORCE to this standard.

[note I have ONLY addressed someone FORCING another to aid in THEIR
cause -- the ideal of charity has NOT been broached.]




MJ:
 Yes, this is typical ... blame *ANYONE* but one's self.
 Who -- exactly --made those choices which placed you in
 the predicament?
Edward Britton wrote:
   In this/my case, you are partially correct. I was to blame for
   not having adequately prepared myself financially (at nineteen,
   such concepts were sort of abstract :-)). My employer took it
   from there by downsizing me during the initial stages of
   Reagan's "trickle-down" economy.

MJ:
More emotive chichés ... which are truly meaningless.
Need I LIST the various choices you made which placed you in your
dilemma?  Do you believe one has the RIGHT to a job?




MJ:
 When one is free to make his own decisions, how is it another's
 fault when the results prove deficient?
Edward Britton wrote:
   This is the key deficiency in the understanding of those of
   rightist affiliation: a great many people fall prey to
   circumstances beyond their control, and well outside the realm
   of choice. One can stretch the philosophy of "blame the victim"
   only so far before the argument becomes rediculous.

MJ:
'Blame the victim' ... ???

  There is a powerful craving in most of us to see ourselves as
  instruments in the hands of others and thus free ourselves from
  the responsibility for acts which are prompted by our own
  questionable inclinations and impulses

Re: [CTRL] Criminalizing Homelessness

[M. A. Johnson]

 -Caveat Lector-

MJ:
   So protection of property should NOT be the function of government?
   What should?

Edward:
   That's easy. According to Social Darwinists, it should be the crushing
   protective arm of the parasitic elite. You know, the ones who gripe about
   having to pay their share of living in a free society, and can't understand
   why people who "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps" keep falling
over?
MJ:
What exactly is 'their share'?
Government should serve ONLY to provide ALL individuals protection fron
FORCE and FRAUD ... certainly that should take closer to 5% of one's
earnings rather than 50% plus.

For the Government to 'care for' or 'provide for' these urban outdoorsmen
(who are reaping the net result of the CHOICES they made) it must first
TAKE from others.  How is this 'fair' to those 'gripers' you describe above?

Throwing around emotives like 'Social Darwinists' ... if one has the
RIGHT to survival ... he has the RIGHT to enslave another for such
a purpose.



Edward from a different form of this thread:
   Who said I was compassionate: more like I know "their" side of things.
   I've been there and done that, thanks to one of those "great Republicans."
MJ:
Yes, this is typical ... blame *ANYONE* but one's self.  Who -- exactly -- made
those choices which placed you in the predicament?  Who failed to plan for
this predicament?  Who failed to 'diversify' your abilities/qualifications?
Who chose to frivolous actions rather than saving for the 'rainy day'?



Edward from a different form of this thread:
   Of course, that's what Republicans and Libertarians do: they gain their
   popularity, as fascists always have, by stepping on the ones who cannot
   defend themselves.

MJ:
   fascism (fàsh´îz´em) noun
   a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under
   a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the
   opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of
   belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such
   a system of government.

Well that certainly defines (in part) our current duopoly lead by the social
Democrats and 'holier than thou' Republicans ... since fascism is a form
of Statism, who would be surprised.

How exactly does the Libertarian Party's platform endorse such activities?
>From what I have read they merely desire to permit everyone to do whatever
they desire so long as they respect other's rights to do the same.

Edward from a different form of this thread:
 By passing the "blame buck" onto the defenseless, they figure they wont
 have to catch the hell they deserve for being scum!
MJ:
When one is free to make his own decisions, how is it another's fault when
the results prove deficient?



Are you fearful of freedom?
Why must you carelessly toss around emotive language in an attempt to
obscure the issue?


Regard$,
--MJ

When I was a small boy I was always being told by others, especially
grown ups, to behave, to be good. It never occurred to me that I was
always behaving in some manner. But I didn't have the awareness or
skill to ask those grown ups what they meant when they told me to
behave and to be good. Now I realize that all they wanted was for me
to conform to their idea of what was good and not to do what they
called bad behavior, which they sometimes changed at will. Even
today people are still telling me how I should behave, but now I ask
what they mean and sometimes it drives them up a wall.  -- Sidney Madwed

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Re: [CTRL] Criminalizing Homelessness

[nurev]

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Edward Britton wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> OK, all you social Darwinists out there (typically Republicans and
> Libertarians), passing laws to maintain your quaint little suburban status
> quos, it would be wise to remember a simple concept:
>
> "From the rage of today's downtrodden, comes the revenge of tomorrow's
> revolutionary force."
>
> Right now, it seems, cops and "citizens" are ahead. Keep an eye on the
> race, compassionless ones.
>
> Edward   ><>

You said it brother. It's what they always forget. All things seek
equilibrium
in nature. When the rich and wanabe rich make life intolerable for
enough
people, you get revolution. While revolutionaries often have the good
taste to
hang or decapitate the wealthy class responsible for their condition,
the
collateral damage to innocent people is often enormous. This is why I
view
revolution as the failure of society, and to be avoided if at all
possible.

If you want to know how to do that, look at what's important to the
ruling
elites and economic Libertarians and plan to do the opposite. This is
not
theoretical. Look at what free market capitalism is doing to Asia and
Indonesia and Russia in particular. The Russians knew what to do their
last
batch of rich elites. So did the French in their revolution. So did
the Cubans
in their revolution, though they only booted the criminals out.

All because the greediest scum had the freedom to steal the wealth of
a
nation.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Criminalizing Homelessness

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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Didn't they used to call this something like "vagrancy" ?



A<>E<>R

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: Subject: Criminalizing Homelessness
: Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 10:48 PM
:
:  "In San Francisco last year, the police issued over 16,000 `quality
of
: life' violation tickets -- most of them to homeless people. Police are
taking
: photographs of people they claim are `habitual drinkers' ... and
distributing
: them to liquor stores.''
:
:
: Report Cites Harassment of Homeless

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Re: [CTRL] Criminalizing Homelessness

[Agent Smiley]

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In San Francisco last year, in November, Mayor Willie Brown came under heated
media pressure when an editorial was published in the Chronicle detailing one
person's issue with the houseless in Golden Gate Park. Firstly, it's too bad
that the mass mindset is such that when one becomes houseless one is filled
with such shame that one feels the need to hide.  Would you rather hide behind
a dumpster in an alley or in some beautiful trees.

Secondly, the editorial that I've mentioned spoke of someone's fear that they
would be walking through the park and come across a needle or 'bump into some
hooker.'  This is obviously someone who has spend little time there.  At this
period of time, I was involved in a project that provided a daily meal to
about two hundred houseless people per day and spent a good deal of time in
the park DAILY.  Never once did I ever see a hypodermic needle there, though
addiction was rampant(maybe even a junkie has the consideration that many
industrial polluters do not).  As well, if you were a prostitute looking for a
quick buck, the last place you are going to look for it is Golden Gate Park.

The fact that the editorial seems to been more of a narration of someone's
paranoid nightmare was lost and never addressed in the media.  To save his
public image with those who suck their reality from the media nipple, he had
to act.  If what Clinton has done warrants impeachment, then what ensued
warrants sending Brown to the guillotine.

For the following two weeks hundreds of houseless folks, if not thousands,
were accosted by police , usually for doing nothing more than sitting in the
park, and were manhandled, abused, and STOLEN FROM BY OUR 'PEACE OFFICERS!'
Literally hundreds of houseless people with enough problems already wound up
with NO BLANKETS.  I personally witnessed dozens of occasions of houseless
people having what little they owned STOLEN by police(Golf&Martinez for
instance), thrown into the trunks of publicly funded vehicles and carted off.
These folks were left with little option and if I had been in their shoes I
would have felt entirely justified stealing blankets from a household(if not
slugging one of these pigs); those were chilly nights.  Ethics such as 'thou
shalt not steal' go right out the window when in a survival situation, as do
many other ethics - ask any Vietnam veteran.

What better scapegoat for society's ills than the defenseless.

This shit goes on all over the country.

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[M. A. Johnson]

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Edward Britton wrote:
   OK, all you social Darwinists out there (typically Republicans
   and Libertarians), passing laws to maintain your quaint little
   suburban status quos, it would be wise to remember a simple
   concept:

 "From the rage of today's downtrodden, comes the revenge
  of tomorrow's revolutionary force."

MJ:
So protection of property should NOT be the function of government?
What should?

Regard$,
--MJ

Nobody talks more about 'affordable housing' than liberals
-- and nobody has done more to make housing unaffordable,
with tons of red tape for builders, costly bureaucratic
delays, restrictions that create artificial housing
shortages, etc., etc.  -- Thomas Sowell

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Re: [CTRL] Criminalizing Homelessness

[Hawk]

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Edward Britton wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> All except you, Hawk; just keep your eyes closed. It may not hurt as much
> when the grand disillusionment comes. :-)
>
> Edward   ><>
> >>  Right now, it seems, cops and "citizens" are ahead. Keep an eye on the
> >> race, compassionless ones.

Oh! how I wish you would be the leader of the pack!  Come on, compassionate one.

Hawk

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Re: [CTRL] Criminalizing Homelessness

[Hawk]

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Edward Britton wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> All except you, Hawk; just keep your eyes closed. It may not hurt as much
> when the grand disillusionment comes. :-)
>
> Edward   ><>

Come ahead...  Lead the way... Happy Trails...

Hawk

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Re: [CTRL] Criminalizing Homelessness

[Edward Britton]

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All except you, Hawk; just keep your eyes closed. It may not hurt as much
when the grand disillusionment comes. :-)

Edward   ><>
>>  Right now, it seems, cops and "citizens" are ahead. Keep an eye on the
>> race, compassionless ones.
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>Barf
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Re: [CTRL] Criminalizing Homelessness

[Hawk]

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Edward Britton wrote:

>  Right now, it seems, cops and "citizens" are ahead. Keep an eye on the
> race, compassionless ones.

Barf

Hawk

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Re: [CTRL] Criminalizing Homelessness

[Edward Britton]

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OK, all you social Darwinists out there (typically Republicans and
Libertarians), passing laws to maintain your quaint little suburban status
quos, it would be wise to remember a simple concept:

"From the rage of today's downtrodden, comes the revenge of tomorrow's
revolutionary force."

Right now, it seems, cops and "citizens" are ahead. Keep an eye on the
race, compassionless ones.

Edward   ><>

> "In San Francisco last year, the police issued over 16,000 `quality of
>life' violation tickets -- most of them to homeless people. Police are taking
>photographs of people they claim are `habitual drinkers' ... and distributing
>them to liquor stores.''
>
>
>Report Cites Harassment of Homeless
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