Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
Title: Message
-Caveat Lector-
Sean,
Why have you edited out my reply to
you?
JR
- Original Message -
From: Sean McBride
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
-Caveat Lector-
Zuukie,
Your last reply bears no connection to the
exchanges which preceded it.
You claimed that only woman observed the Israeli
spies celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center on
9/11.
Documentation was provided proving your error --
documentation which appears in this very message, below.
Rather than admitting your error, and dealing
with the implications of the truth about these Israeli government operatives,
who are clearly the enemies of all Americans, you veered off vaguely in another
direction altogether.
By doing this, you give the impression to the
world that you are an apologist, if not a very effective one, for Israeli abuses
against Americans.
There are many New Yorkers who would like to
spend some time with these cheerleaders for 911 in a small
room. And the suspicion remains that they were co-conspirators in 911,
since they were Mossad agents who "came to document the
event."
- Original Message -
From:
Zuukie
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 2:29
PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to
Sean
-Caveat Lector-
http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/25378_comment.php
Yes, I read the story but thought I would
be polite and not comment on it, particularly after looking at the stories
carried by the paper it came from. The above site is a series of posts
on the topic that I would recommend as a response to
you. Knowledgeable individuals have spent time gathering much
information that should be reviewed by others before they jump to conclusions
based on the slippery story you posted.
-Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory
Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean
McBrideSent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:56 PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to
Sean-Caveat Lector-
Zuukie,
I posted in this group several days ago the
full text of an article which mentions three reasons, apart from the
testimony of one woman, to believe that the Israeli spies in question
celebrated the destruction of the World Trade Center.
The article is here:
http://ww1.sundayherald.com/print37707
Are you able to read the article and to
identify the three reasons I am alluding to?
Let me be of
assistance:
1. There were also fresh pictures of the men
standing with the smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background.
One image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated
buildings, like a fan at a pop concert.
2. An employee of Urban Moving said his
co-workers had laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day they happened. “I
was in tears,” the man said. “These guys were joking and that bothered me.
These guys were like, ‘Now America knows what we go through.’”
3. Their lawyers and the embassy say their
ghoulish and sinister celebrations as the Twin Towers blazed and thousands
died were due to youthful foolishness.
Comments?
In an earlier post, you dismissed the reports
of Odigo advance warnings not being of significance.
Why?
- Original Message -
From:
Zuukie
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003
11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies
to Sean
-Caveat Lector-
I tried posting my answers to your
questions three times, and only on the third time did my post
appear. You have given no sources that can be checked for your
information. Since you made the original allegations, I would
suggest you post sources and then I will give sources in rebuttal.
Saying that numerous government investigators have viewed the video
is not a valid comment unless a source is given. Your entire first
post gave no sources other than your opinion based on whatever you
read. A scholar you are not. A propagandist is what you are.
-Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory
Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean
McBrideSent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:51
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Third
try Replies to Sean-Caveat Lector-
Mr. Rarey,
The Israeli spies hung themselves with
their own video, which has been viewed by numerous government
investigators. We are not reliant on the testimony of a single
woman in this ca
Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
Title: Message
-Caveat Lector-
Zuukie,
Your last reply bears no connection to the
exchanges which preceded it.
You claimed that only woman observed the Israeli
spies celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center on
9/11.
Documentation was provided proving your error --
documentation which appears in this very message, below.
Rather than admitting your error, and dealing
with the implications of the truth about these Israeli government operatives,
who are clearly the enemies of all Americans, you veered off vaguely in another
direction altogether.
By doing this, you give the impression to the
world that you are an apologist, if not a very effective one, for Israeli abuses
against Americans.
There are many New Yorkers who would like to
spend some time with these cheerleaders for 911 in a small
room. And the suspicion remains that they were co-conspirators in 911,
since they were Mossad agents who "came to document the
event."
- Original Message -
From:
Zuukie
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 2:29
PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to
Sean
-Caveat Lector-
http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/25378_comment.php
Yes, I read the story but thought I would
be polite and not comment on it, particularly after looking at the stories
carried by the paper it came from. The above site is a series of posts
on the topic that I would recommend as a response to
you. Knowledgeable individuals have spent time gathering much
information that should be reviewed by others before they jump to conclusions
based on the slippery story you posted.
-Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory
Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean
McBrideSent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:56 PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to
Sean-Caveat Lector-
Zuukie,
I posted in this group several days ago the
full text of an article which mentions three reasons, apart from the
testimony of one woman, to believe that the Israeli spies in question
celebrated the destruction of the World Trade Center.
The article is here:
http://ww1.sundayherald.com/print37707
Are you able to read the article and to
identify the three reasons I am alluding to?
Let me be of
assistance:
1. There were also fresh pictures of the men
standing with the smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background.
One image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated
buildings, like a fan at a pop concert.
2. An employee of Urban Moving said his
co-workers had laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day they happened. “I
was in tears,” the man said. “These guys were joking and that bothered me.
These guys were like, ‘Now America knows what we go through.’”
3. Their lawyers and the embassy say their
ghoulish and sinister celebrations as the Twin Towers blazed and thousands
died were due to youthful foolishness.
Comments?
In an earlier post, you dismissed the reports
of Odigo advance warnings not being of significance.
Why?
- Original Message -
From:
Zuukie
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003
11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies
to Sean
-Caveat Lector-
I tried posting my answers to your
questions three times, and only on the third time did my post
appear. You have given no sources that can be checked for your
information. Since you made the original allegations, I would
suggest you post sources and then I will give sources in rebuttal.
Saying that numerous government investigators have viewed the video
is not a valid comment unless a source is given. Your entire first
post gave no sources other than your opinion based on whatever you
read. A scholar you are not. A propagandist is what you are.
-Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory
Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean
McBrideSent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:51
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Third
try Replies to Sean-Caveat Lector-
Mr. Rarey,
The Israeli spies hung themselves with
their own video, which has been viewed by numerous government
investigators. We are not reliant on the testimony of a single
woman in this case to know how the Israelis
behaved.
What is there about Israel which is
capable of dimming the minds of even highly intelligent people?
Look at what it has done to "geniuses" lik
Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
Title: Message
-Caveat Lector-
http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/25378_comment.php
Yes, I read the story but thought I would be
polite and not comment on it, particularly after looking at the stories carried
by the paper it came from. The above site is a series of posts on the
topic that I would recommend as a response to you. Knowledgeable
individuals have spent time gathering much information that should be reviewed
by others before they jump to conclusions based on the slippery story you
posted.
-Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory
Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean
McBrideSent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:56 PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to
Sean-Caveat Lector-
Zuukie,
I posted in this group several days ago the
full text of an article which mentions three reasons, apart from the testimony
of one woman, to believe that the Israeli spies in question celebrated
the destruction of the World Trade Center.
The article is here:
http://ww1.sundayherald.com/print37707
Are you able to read the article and to
identify the three reasons I am alluding to?
Let me be of assistance:
1. There were also fresh pictures of the men
standing with the smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background.
One image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated
buildings, like a fan at a pop concert.
2. An employee of Urban Moving said his
co-workers had laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day they happened. “I
was in tears,” the man said. “These guys were joking and that bothered me.
These guys were like, ‘Now America knows what we go through.’”
3. Their lawyers and the embassy say their
ghoulish and sinister celebrations as the Twin Towers blazed and thousands
died were due to youthful foolishness.
Comments?
In an earlier post, you dismissed the reports
of Odigo advance warnings not being of significance.
Why?
- Original Message -
From:
Zuukie
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003
11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies
to Sean
-Caveat Lector-
I tried posting my answers to your
questions three times, and only on the third time did my post appear.
You have given no sources that can be checked for your information.
Since you made the original allegations, I would suggest you post sources
and then I will give sources in rebuttal. Saying that numerous
government investigators have viewed the video is not a valid comment unless
a source is given. Your entire first post gave no sources other than
your opinion based on whatever you read. A scholar you are not.
A propagandist is what you
are.
-Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory
Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean
McBrideSent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:51 AMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Third try Replies to
Sean-Caveat Lector-
Mr. Rarey,
The Israeli spies hung themselves with
their own video, which has been viewed by numerous government
investigators. We are not reliant on the testimony of a single woman
in this case to know how the Israelis behaved.
What is there about Israel which is capable
of dimming the minds of even highly intelligent people? Look at what
it has done to "geniuses" like Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, who
assured us that invading Iraq would be a cakewalk and that Iraqi oil would
pay for the entire venture. Instead, Americans are now paying
hundreds of billions of dollars for the privilege of being trapped in a
bottomless hellhole in the Mideast. We are being RUINED by the
brilliant advice of pro-Israel zealots.
It is highly revealing that the best you
can come up with on this topic is the nitpicking post below. Your
instinct whenever the subject of Israel comes up is to attack critics of
Israel, usually in a way that is embarrassing to yourself and which
undercuts your reputation for being a fearless conspiracy
investigator. Michael Ruppert fell into the same trap, although he
has shown some efforts recently to correct the
problem.
- Original Message -
From:
Jim
Rarey
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003
2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try
Replies to Sean
-Caveat Lector-
Prudy,
I don't follow your reasoning
if that's what it is. You say no (we don't have the word of just one
Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
-Caveat Lector- ï What do you make of Urban Moving Systems, and of the background, behavior and statements of its employees? It sounds like a not too well disguised front for a floating spy ring. From an American point of view, their reaction to 9/11 was disgraceful and not what one would expect from a supposed ally. However, from an Israeli point of view, without condoning it, I can understand the attitude that now that America has had a taste of terrorism, the U.S. would stop trying to force them into a pact with the devil (Yassir Arafat). It's conceivable that Israel had advance knowledge of the attack and failed to give the U.S. a specific warning for that reason. But then the U.S. government appears to have done the same thing for different reasons, e.g to push through draconian restrictions on Americans' freedoms and justify the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq to liberate the pipeline routes, poppy fields, Iraqi oil fields and establish a base for further "adventures" in the Middle East. Both governments seem to have achieved their objectives as a result of 9/11. Jim - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:22 AM Subject: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean -Caveat Lector- ï And many CFR members strongly and sincerely disagree with Benjamin Netanyahu on just about everything. See the writings of Ian Lustick for just one example. They think he's a disaster. What do you make of Urban Moving Systems, and of the background, behavior and statements of its employees? - Original Message - From: Jim Rarey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean -Caveat Lector- ï Bibi Netanyahu also gloated that it was "good, very good" that we were attacked Do you mean the Benjamin Netanyahu who has been a member of the CFR since at least 1988? JR - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/6/2003 7:57:34 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. An employee of Urban Moving said his co-workers had laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day they happened. âI was in tears,â the man said. âThese guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, âNow America knows what we go through.ââ Wasn't that the goal? "We're all Israelis now?"Sickening. Bibi Netanyahu also gloated that it was "good, very good" that we were attacked.Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE
Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/6/2003 9:01:23 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you the Benjamin Netanyahu who has been a member of the CFR since at least 1988? That's the guy... Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
-Caveat Lector- ï Bibi Netanyahu also gloated that it was "good, very good" that we were attacked Do you the Benjamin Netanyahu who has been a member of the CFR since at least 1988? JR - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/6/2003 7:57:34 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. An employee of Urban Moving said his co-workers had laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day they happened. âI was in tears,â the man said. âThese guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, âNow America knows what we go through.ââ Wasn't that the goal? "We're all Israelis now?"Sickening. Bibi Netanyahu also gloated that it was "good, very good" that we were attacked.Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/6/2003 7:57:34 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. An employee of Urban Moving said his co-workers had laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day they happened. âI was in tears,â the man said. âThese guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, âNow America knows what we go through.ââ Wasn't that the goal? "We're all Israelis now?" Sickening. Bibi Netanyahu also gloated that it was "good, very good" that we were attacked. Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
Title: Message
-Caveat Lector-
Zuukie,
I posted in this group several days ago the full
text of an article which mentions three reasons, apart from the testimony of one
woman, to believe that the Israeli spies in question celebrated the
destruction of the World Trade Center.
The article is here:
http://ww1.sundayherald.com/print37707
Are you able to read the article and to identify
the three reasons I am alluding to?
Let me be of assistance:
1. There were also fresh pictures of the men
standing with the smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background. One
image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated buildings,
like a fan at a pop concert.
2. An employee of Urban Moving said his
co-workers had laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day they happened. “I was
in tears,” the man said. “These guys were joking and that bothered me. These
guys were like, ‘Now America knows what we go through.’”
3. Their lawyers and the embassy say their
ghoulish and sinister celebrations as the Twin Towers blazed and thousands died
were due to youthful foolishness.
Comments?
In an earlier post, you dismissed the reports of
Odigo advance warnings not being of significance.
Why?
- Original Message -
From:
Zuukie
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:57
PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to
Sean
-Caveat Lector-
I tried posting my answers to your
questions three times, and only on the third time did my post appear.
You have given no sources that can be checked for your information.
Since you made the original allegations, I would suggest you post sources and
then I will give sources in rebuttal. Saying that numerous
government investigators have viewed the video is not a valid comment unless a
source is given. Your entire first post gave no sources other than your
opinion based on whatever you read. A scholar you are not.
A propagandist is what you
are.
-Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory
Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean
McBrideSent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:51 AMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Third try Replies to
Sean-Caveat Lector-
Mr. Rarey,
The Israeli spies hung themselves with their
own video, which has been viewed by numerous government investigators.
We are not reliant on the testimony of a single woman in this case to know
how the Israelis behaved.
What is there about Israel which is capable
of dimming the minds of even highly intelligent people? Look at what
it has done to "geniuses" like Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, who assured
us that invading Iraq would be a cakewalk and that Iraqi oil would pay for
the entire venture. Instead, Americans are now paying hundreds of
billions of dollars for the privilege of being trapped in a
bottomless hellhole in the Mideast. We are being RUINED by the
brilliant advice of pro-Israel zealots.
It is highly revealing that the best you can
come up with on this topic is the nitpicking post below. Your instinct
whenever the subject of Israel comes up is to attack critics of Israel,
usually in a way that is embarrassing to yourself and which undercuts your
reputation for being a fearless conspiracy investigator. Michael
Ruppert fell into the same trap, although he has shown some efforts recently
to correct the problem.
- Original Message -
From:
Jim
Rarey
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:33
PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies
to Sean
-Caveat Lector-
Prudy,
I don't follow your reasoning if
that's what it is. You say no (we don't have the word of just one
woman?) we have the written words of the police officers who
answered her call.
Because the officers wrote down
what the woman told them, do we now have more than one witness? Why not
have ten officers report what the woman said and then will we have
11 witnesses?
Not very clear thinking,
Prudy.
JR
- Original Message -
From: Prudy L
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
-Caveat Lector-
In a message dated 11/4/2003 10:39:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1. Why did these Israelis, some of whom were Mossad
operatives, celebrate the destruction of the WTC?We have the
word of one woman looking thru binoculars into a parking lot
No we have the written words of the police officers who answere
Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
Title: Message
-Caveat Lector-
I tried posting my answers to your questions
three times, and only on the third time did my post appear. You have given
no sources that can be checked for your information. Since you made the
original allegations, I would suggest you post sources and then I will give
sources in rebuttal. Saying that numerous government investigators
have viewed the video is not a valid comment unless a source is given.
Your entire first post gave no sources other than your opinion based on whatever
you read. A scholar you are not. A propagandist is what you are.
-Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory
Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean
McBrideSent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:51 AMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Third try Replies to
Sean-Caveat Lector-
Mr. Rarey,
The Israeli spies hung themselves with their
own video, which has been viewed by numerous government investigators.
We are not reliant on the testimony of a single woman in this case to know how
the Israelis behaved.
What is there about Israel which is capable of
dimming the minds of even highly intelligent people? Look at what it has
done to "geniuses" like Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, who assured us that
invading Iraq would be a cakewalk and that Iraqi oil would pay for the entire
venture. Instead, Americans are now paying hundreds of billions of
dollars for the privilege of being trapped in a bottomless hellhole in
the Mideast. We are being RUINED by the brilliant advice of pro-Israel
zealots.
It is highly revealing that the best you can
come up with on this topic is the nitpicking post below. Your instinct
whenever the subject of Israel comes up is to attack critics of Israel,
usually in a way that is embarrassing to yourself and which undercuts your
reputation for being a fearless conspiracy investigator. Michael Ruppert
fell into the same trap, although he has shown some efforts recently to
correct the problem.
- Original Message -
From:
Jim
Rarey
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:33
PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies
to Sean
-Caveat Lector-
Prudy,
I don't follow your reasoning if
that's what it is. You say no (we don't have the word of just one
woman?) we have the written words of the police officers who answered
her call.
Because the officers wrote down
what the woman told them, do we now have more than one witness? Why not have
ten officers report what the woman said and then will we have 11
witnesses?
Not very clear thinking,
Prudy.
JR
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1. Why did these Israelis, some of whom were Mossad
operatives, celebrate the destruction of the WTC?We have the word
of one woman looking thru binoculars into a parking lot
No we have the written words of the police officers who answered her
call. These answers are not very good Zuukie.
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Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
-Caveat Lector- Sean, Why so formal (Mr. Rarey)? Perhaps my attack on Prudy's logic (or lack thereof) was ill advised in that particular context because it gave the impression I was defending the Israelis and denying their Mossad connections. That is not the case. I have just had it with Prudy's rants, e.g. against Christianity in general without limiting it to those who have perverted the faith. I was pointing out a flaw in her ability to reason logically. I accept as fact that the five were Mossad assets (spies). Same for the "art students." I also accept that Mossad is capable of assassinations within the U.S. if they have not already done so. There is no reason to believe that Mossad is any more principled than our own CIA in that respect nor to think that Mossad is acting in the best interests of the Israeli population in general any more than the CIA is acting in the best interests of all Americans. Both organizations answer to supra-national powers with their own agenda. You seem to identify that power as primarily the Zionists. I believe the Zionists are only a part of a larger movement which includes the "neocons", the entire leadership of the CFR and its counterpart in the U.K. (the RIIA) as well as royalty in various countries and, of course, the powerful bankers and other financial elite. You undoubtedly will say I have mischaracterized your assessment of Zionism, however you can't deny that your major emphasis has been there (to the exclusion of the CFR except for the neocon faction within that organization). It may have been "nitpicking" but it was with a purpose not readily apparent to you. Jim - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:51 AM Subject: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean -Caveat Lector- Mr. Rarey, The Israeli spies hung themselves with their own video, which has been viewed by numerous government investigators. We are not reliant on the testimony of a single woman in this case to know how the Israelis behaved. What is there about Israel which is capable of dimming the minds of even highly intelligent people? Look at what it has done to "geniuses" like Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, who assured us that invading Iraq would be a cakewalk and that Iraqi oil would pay for the entire venture. Instead, Americans are now paying hundreds of billions of dollars for the privilege of being trapped in a bottomless hellhole in the Mideast. We are being RUINED by the brilliant advice of pro-Israel zealots. It is highly revealing that the best you can come up with on this topic is the nitpicking post below. Your instinct whenever the subject of Israel comes up is to attack critics of Israel, usually in a way that is embarrassing to yourself and which undercuts your reputation for being a fearless conspiracy investigator. Michael Ruppert fell into the same trap, although he has shown some efforts recently to correct the problem. - Original Message - From: Jim Rarey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean -Caveat Lector- Prudy, I don't follow your reasoning if that's what it is. You say no (we don't have the word of just one woman?) we have the written words of the police officers who answered her call. Because the officers wrote down what the woman told them, do we now have more than one witness? Why not have ten officers report what the woman said and then will we have 11 witnesses? Not very clear thinking, Prudy. JR - Original Message - From: Prudy L To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/4/2003 10:39:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Why did these Israelis, some of whom were Mossad operatives, celebrate the destruction of the WTC?We have the word of one woman looking thru binoculars into a parking lot No we have the written words of the police officers who answered her call. These answers are not very good Zuukie. Prudywww.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holoca
Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
Title: Message -Caveat Lector- That's fine Prudy. Out of all of the countries of the world you've chosen Israel as your personal area of concern. I know you are disappointed that the Israelis don't live up to the ideals that you would like to see. Perhaps you should find another country whose inhabitants have the higher ideals that you would be more comfortable with. Do let us know what you find. -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Prudy LSent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:43 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/4/2003 10:39:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Why did these Israelis, some of whom were Mossad operatives, celebrate the destruction of the WTC?We have the word of one woman looking thru binoculars into a parking lot No we have the written words of the police officers who answered her call. These answers are not very good Zuukie. Prudywww.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
-Caveat Lector- Prudy, I don't follow your reasoning if that's what it is. You say no (we don't have the word of just one woman?) we have the written words of the police officers who answered her call. Because the officers wrote down what the woman told them, do we now have more than one witness? Why not have ten officers report what the woman said and then will we have 11 witnesses? Not very clear thinking, Prudy. JR - Original Message - From: Prudy L To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/4/2003 10:39:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Why did these Israelis, some of whom were Mossad operatives, celebrate the destruction of the WTC?We have the word of one woman looking thru binoculars into a parking lot No we have the written words of the police officers who answered her call. These answers are not very good Zuukie. Prudywww.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Third try Replies to Sean
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/4/2003 9:44:07 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No we have the written words of the police officers who answered her call. These answers are not very good Zuukie. No they're not. Seems they were done in a rush or something... Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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