Re: [cvsnt] March-Hare message into my commit messages
Clóvis Garcia Marcondes wrote: Hi, After installed the new 2.5.04 CVSNT Server (Free) the text below is been inserted into my commit messages: Committed on the Free edition of March Hare Software CVSNT Server. Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/ Is there anyway to disable that or I will have to go back to the 2.5.03? You could just buy a copy. The development, testing and support of cvsnt (and evs) takes up a lot of time and money. The software is then given away free, no strings attached. For this all you have to do is cope with an unobtrusive message on commit. There are even multiple ways to disable that if you dig around the source a bit. Arthur once calculated that if 1% of the people who download cvsnt each year bought 1 copy, we'd be able to hire 3 programmers. That would mean a much better product, better support, and it would still be free for the 99%. It pains me to have to do something even so minor.. I'd love everything to be free but unfortunately I haven't yet managed to perfect a way to live without food or a roof over my head. Tony ___ cvsnt mailing list cvsnt@cvsnt.org http://www.cvsnt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cvsnt Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/
Re: [cvsnt] March-Hare message into my commit messages
Clóvis Garcia Marcondes wrote: Tony, I got your point but should be nice at least to advise when you change the way the product works. I just asked because I´m testing the new version together with the CVS Suite Trial exactly to see if it is interesting for me to buy the comercial version and thought it could be a side effect of that. But if it is a new March Hare policy you should at least warned about that. It was mentioned in the release notes for the release candidates and the final release notes. It's really not a change in the way the product works.. it still does exactly the same things as always - I'm against any kind of crippling or time limiting in software where people may be relying on it continuing to work. Tony ___ cvsnt mailing list cvsnt@cvsnt.org http://www.cvsnt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cvsnt Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/
Re: [cvsnt] March-Hare message into my commit messages
Hi, I appreciate very much the effort you made to enhance cvs. This shareware like change in the policy to add messages in the software, will not get expected results, in my opinion. I unfortunately expect that this will reinforce migration to other tools like, but not only svn that your efforts rightly contained in the past years, adding missing features to make cvs better. Also the most of people will stay on previous versions, unless you'll remove from downloadables. Thanks -- Fabio D'Alfonso 'Your Partner in Business' cell. +39.348.059.40.22 web: www.fabiodalfonso.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax: +39.06.874.599.581 From: Tony Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:57 PM To: cvsnt@cvsnt.org Subject: Re: [cvsnt] March-Hare message into my commit messages Clóvis Garcia Marcondes wrote: Hi, After installed the new 2.5.04 CVSNT Server (Free) the text below is been inserted into my commit messages: Committed on the Free edition of March Hare Software CVSNT Server. Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/ Is there anyway to disable that or I will have to go back to the 2.5.03? You could just buy a copy. The development, testing and support of cvsnt (and evs) takes up a lot of time and money. The software is then given away free, no strings attached. For this all you have to do is cope with an unobtrusive message on commit. There are even multiple ways to disable that if you dig around the source a bit. Arthur once calculated that if 1% of the people who download cvsnt each year bought 1 copy, we'd be able to hire 3 programmers. That would mean a much better product, better support, and it would still be free for the 99%. It pains me to have to do something even so minor.. I'd love everything to be free but unfortunately I haven't yet managed to perfect a way to live without food or a roof over my head. Tony ___ cvsnt mailing list cvsnt@cvsnt.org http://www.cvsnt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cvsnt Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/ ___ cvsnt mailing list cvsnt@cvsnt.org http://www.cvsnt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cvsnt Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/
Re: [cvsnt] March-Hare message into my commit messages
It's not a real concern to us, as we purchased a licence a few weeks ago. Although, my personal opinion is that it becomes now adware instead of shareware. Also, I expect there will be ad-free builds available very soon from other websites than march-hare. Met vriendelijke groeten, Cordialement, Regards, DRIES FEYS ICT-DEPARTMENT Software quality Systems: Senior Software Engineer Fabio D'Alfonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/11/2008 15:47 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To cvsnt@cvsnt.org cc Subject Re: [cvsnt] March-Hare message into my commit messages Hi, I appreciate very much the effort you made to enhance cvs. This shareware like change in the policy to add messages in the software, will not get expected results, in my opinion. I unfortunately expect that this will reinforce migration to other tools like, but not only svn that your efforts rightly contained in the past years, adding missing features to make cvs better. Also the most of people will stay on previous versions, unless you'll remove from downloadables. Thanks -- Fabio D'Alfonso 'Your Partner in Business' cell. +39.348.059.40.22 web: www.fabiodalfonso.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax: +39.06.874.599.581 From: Tony Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:57 PM To: cvsnt@cvsnt.org Subject: Re: [cvsnt] March-Hare message into my commit messages Clóvis Garcia Marcondes wrote: Hi, After installed the new 2.5.04 CVSNT Server (Free) the text below is been inserted into my commit messages: Committed on the Free edition of March Hare Software CVSNT Server. Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/ Is there anyway to disable that or I will have to go back to the 2.5.03? You could just buy a copy. The development, testing and support of cvsnt (and evs) takes up a lot of time and money. The software is then given away free, no strings attached. For this all you have to do is cope with an unobtrusive message on commit. There are even multiple ways to disable that if you dig around the source a bit. Arthur once calculated that if 1% of the people who download cvsnt each year bought 1 copy, we'd be able to hire 3 programmers. That would mean a much better product, better support, and it would still be free for the 99%. It pains me to have to do something even so minor.. I'd love everything to be free but unfortunately I haven't yet managed to perfect a way to live without food or a roof over my head. Tony ___ cvsnt mailing list cvsnt@cvsnt.org http://www.cvsnt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cvsnt Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/ ___ cvsnt mailing list cvsnt@cvsnt.org http://www.cvsnt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cvsnt Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/ DISCLAIMER A HREF=http://www.tvh.be/newen/pages/emaildisclaimer.html; http://www.tvh.be/newen/pages/emaildisclaimer.html /A This message is delivered to all addressees subject to the conditions set forth in the attached disclaimer, which is an integral part of this message. ___ cvsnt mailing list cvsnt@cvsnt.org http://www.cvsnt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cvsnt Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/
Re: [cvsnt] March-Hare message into my commit messages
Fabio D'Alfonso wrote: Hi, I appreciate very much the effort you made to enhance cvs. This shareware like change in the policy to add messages in the software, will not get expected results, in my opinion. I unfortunately expect that this will reinforce migration to other tools like, but not only svn that your efforts rightly contained in the past years, adding missing features to make cvs better. Also the most of people will stay on previous versions, unless you'll remove from downloadables. Well it's a tradeoff.. losing some to gain a few who can fund the project. It only affects the builds we make, so the various linux versions etc. will not have the message. We already (I think) told Torsten how to disable it in TortoiseCVS as well. We already posted how to switch it off once on this list already, for the more observant :) Ultimately evs is the answer - its versions are differentiated and the free version is clearly a trial. OTOH it serves a different audience. There's a need for both products to continue, and making people aware that there even *is* a commercial version of cvsnt (given that only about .01% of the users actually frequent this list) is tricker. Tony ___ cvsnt mailing list cvsnt@cvsnt.org http://www.cvsnt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cvsnt Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/
Re: [cvsnt] Betr.: Re: March-Hare message into my commit messages
Hi Jan, Either from people running to subversion, the `real free' sollution already sounds much more `sexy', or worse even if someone gets sick of it and forks (although I doubt a fork would be successfull given that everything is still under GPL.) I don't want to start a SVN vs CVSNT thread here, but SVN does have an upsell which includes a lot of the features we give away for free. Their approach is to limit the free product to the core and have companies pay if they need the extra features. They have a very different approach, but it is certainly centered around getting their product sold. I requested my company to get a license based on the polite mails on this list recently and they did. Thank you! I personally wouldn't ask it again if the message was not in a friendly mail to the list but in an annoying message in my revision history. Unfortunately a lot of users are not like you. There are far more that will continue to use the free product and never seek to support the project for a number of reasons. This message will help those who are ignorant of the commercial product see it's available, and encourage them to participate. I don't fault our silent FOSS users. When I was still doing the corporate programming thing, I would seek out free or inexpensive products to improve my productivity. Free as in beer was always easy to try. There were dozens of closed source shareware time limited apps that I purchased because I had to, and others that were not time limited or ad-supported I used for years without paying for. I think there are a lot of users like me out there, who just need some gentle encouragement to contribute. I got interested in CVSNT and joined the list because it was a new concept to me and took awhile to get my head around it. I participated on the list only partially to 'give back', but mostly to solidify my own knowledge -- and it worked extraordinarily well. If CVS Suite was around when I started learning about CVSNT, and I had purchased it with the eBook*, it would have saved me countless hours of learning by trial and learning the wrong way. Take the cost of CVS Suite into the number of hours I spent learning, and you're looking at sweatshop child labor rates. There is a LOT of value in the product and services March Hare offers (yes, I get paid to say that, but it's true). ... And now to the big question ... If you have suggestions on how we can evangelize the CVS Suite and Pro products to get more sales in a less obtrusive way I would like to hear them. What triggers you decide to open your wallet or go through the pain of your internal acquisition processes? Keep in mind there are some options that are off the table: We aren't going to close/obfuscate the source, we won't purposefully add bugs, we prefer to keep core functionality where it belongs (as close to the server as possible), etc. * For those who don't know already, the eBook we refer to is titled All About CVS and is a 300+ page book included with CVS Suite that is focused on CVSNT/CVS Suite, not like a lot of the sources you get on the Internet containing outdated or conflicting guidance for using CVS and/or CVSNT. For example: Don't use flying fish branching, it's bad for performance and completely unnecessary with changesets and the promotion model. Best Regards, -- Glen Starrett Technical Account Manager, North America March Hare Software, LLC http://march-hare.com/cvspro/ 800-653-1501 x803 ___ cvsnt mailing list cvsnt@cvsnt.org http://www.cvsnt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cvsnt Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/
Re: [cvsnt] March-Hare message into my commit messages
I noticed that this was not made by the Server but the client because I´ve tested over a CVSNT Server 2.5.03 and the same problems occurr. Is there a free client or I´ll have to keep the 2.5.03 client instead o 2.5.04? Clóvis Garcia Marcondes escreveu: Hi, After installed the new 2.5.04 CVSNT Server (Free) the text below is been inserted into my commit messages: Committed on the Free edition of March Hare Software CVSNT Server. Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/ Is there anyway to disable that or I will have to go back to the 2.5.03? ___ cvsnt mailing list cvsnt@cvsnt.org http://www.cvsnt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cvsnt Upgrade to CVS Suite for more features and support: http://march-hare.com/cvsnt/
