CS: Misc-the man with the golden air pistol
From: Neil Francis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Er, actually we did notice, Richard Law I think was the first to notice it was an air pistol many years ago. Surely even before this. Are we saying here that given the film's popularity throughout the world this was not noticed until the 1980s? Having said this - I can't say I noticed it myslef!! Some other gun based cock-ups in films: In Dr No When shooting at the dragon/tractor on the island Bond's gun changes from a Walther PPK to a Colt .45. Anyone else notice this? In Dirty Harry - The '6 shots or only 5' routine at the beginning of the film. In the versions I have seen - UK TV and UK Video he does only fire 5 shots. Anyone else count these? Neil Francis Trowbridge, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- One minor Bond error - in the new movies with the Walther P99, Bond poses with a gun that has clearly been converted to blank-firing, you can tell from the angled cut at the forward edge of the chamber. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-March 18 March
From: "Mike Burns", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Howsabout hardcore target shooters going in shooting jackets with "Scapegoat" or another suitable phrase on a piece of paper pinned on their backs where competitor numbers usually get pinned at Olympic style competitions? I assume that noone will be turning up in combat jackets cos that would be bad Nuff said? mike Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-the man with the golden air pistol
From: "Richard Loweth", [EMAIL PROTECTED] The story I heard, again years ago, was that yes, they had forgotten the "prop" PPK and that a "gopher" was sent out to Thomas Bland's on St. Martin's lane and came back with the air pistol shown in the photograph. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Dunblane Scottish www site
From: "Tom Charnock", [EMAIL PROTECTED] This been on the site before, but well worth a look to see what was proposed following Hamiltons actions http://www.official-documents.co.uk/document/scottish/dunblane/dunblane.htm Tom C Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Competitions
From: "John Kime", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wonder if I could prevail on your good nature to put this out to the List ? Mattersey R P C (near Retford, Nottinghamshire, UK) will be holding the following competitions during 2001 : the Tenth Annual Mattersey 10 Event Open and the 4th Annual .22 Steel Challenge. Mattersey 10 - Sun 6th May 2001 1. Percussion Revolver, SOO Perc Rev 2. Percussion Target Pistol, S/S BP Pistols Adj/S Perc Rev 3. Cavalry Officer, Any Perc. Rev. 4. BP Rifle 2 classes, Free Breech, Military Flint 5. Sporting Rifle .22rf Any s/auto or bolt action, any sights 6. Open Revolver 50, Any Perc Rev benchrested. 7. Match V 1500, 22rf U/L rifle 8. Steel/Action, 2 gun aggregate, 22 U/L 9. Timed Precision, 22rf U/L rifle 10. Multi Target, 22rf U/L rifle There will also be a 22rf aggregate an U/L rifle aggregate of comps 7, 9 10. And to finish, a Fun Shoot finale, teams of 4 max. Course of fire depends on what we think up ! 22 Steel Challenge - Sun 8th July 2001 60 competitors maximum Course of fire t.b.a. but will be 300 rounds min Entry forms can be requested from me offlist and will be returned via email attachment as an Adobe Acrobat file (pdf format). Entries are via snail mail only to the Match Coordinator on the forms. Many Thanks John Kime Committee MRPC Disenfranchised Pistoleer UK Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-John Wayne Winchester Custom Model
From: "Earl W", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I am trying to find out more about the Winchester underlever rifle that John Wayne used in several of his films. In "El Dorado" it was commented that it was a customised rifle. The outward appearance of the rifle is that of a 1873, 1892 or 1894 carbine model with the Large Loop in probably a 16" barrel length The Large Loop is sometimes credited as being invented by John Wayne, is this correct? Any information on specifications would be appreciated, I have seen various commemorative editions, though nothing recently produced Many thanks Earl W -- I don't think it was invented by John Wayne, Robert Stack used one in "The Rifleman" but I'm not sure which was filmed first. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-Vulcans
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Vulcan that diverted to Rio was not on a Black Buck bombing mission. Rather embarrassingly it was an ocean surveillance mission that lost radio contact and couldn't rondevous with its tankers. The most embarrassing part was that it was carrying a stand off anti-ship missile not listed as being used by Britain (a missile that was later pictured complete with American flag)! Regards Jerry Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-Proofing.
From: "Jim Franklin", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having been involved in the ordnance and ammo business for over 30 years, I can state unequivocally that "Proof, proofing and proofed" were and still are part of common usage among the professionals. I wrote and approved specifications for a mutitude of kit from 5.56 up to 155mm, and the jargon remained unchanged and unchallenged. The OED was not one of the books referred to in the bibliogaphy of technical manuals. Jim Franklin Orpington KENT. UK PGP key on request -- Doesn't mean that it's correct though. Lots of things that are commonly said are not grammatically accurate. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-I have a gun owners dream!
From: "Chris R. Tame", [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article ztJ86.9598$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark2101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I took the words to Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech and rewrote them to show how similar things are for gun owners now as they were for Blacks in the 50's and 60's. * I have a Gun Owners Dream (Taken from Martin Luther Kings 'I have dream' speech) Over two hundred years ago, The Founding American Fathers, signed the Bill of Rights which included the second amendment. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Americans who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of vulnerability. But two hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the gun owner is still not free to exercise that God given and Constitutionally acknowledged right. Two hundred years later, the life of the gun owner is still sadly crippled by the manacles of Gun control and the chains of discrimination. Two hundred years later, the gun owner lives on a lonely island of bigotry and hate in the midst of a vast ocean of political correctness. Two hundred years later, the Gun owner is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So I write to you here today to dramatize an appalling condition. In a sense we, gun owners, call to our nation's leaders to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and the means to secure it in the right to bear arms. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of gun owners are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the gun owner a bad check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of freedom of this nation. So we want to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We also want to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of bigotry and hate to the sunlit path of equal rights and justice. Now is the time to open the doors of freedom to all of God's children. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksand's of constitutional injustice to the solid rock of rights and freedom. It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and to underestimate the determination of the gun owner. This sweltering summer of the gun owners legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Now is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the gun owner needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the gun owner is granted his equal rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to the people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our equal rights we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protests to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting illegal force with soul force and prepared force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the gun owner community must not lead us to distrust of all anti-gun people, for many of our gun brothers, as evidenced by their increasing numbers , are those anti-gun people that have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot carry concealed in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied
CS: Misc-Useful Quote
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED] This quote is from the 1953 presentation to George C. Marshall and includes this Marshall quote by a member of the Committee, "'There has long been an effort to outlaw war for exactly the same reason that man has outlawed murder. But the law prohibiting murder does not of itself prevent murder. It must be enforced. The enforcing power, however, must be maintained on a strictly democratic basis. There must not be a large standing army subject to the behest of a group of schemers. The citizen-soldier is the guarantee against such a misuse of power.'" http://www.nobel.se/peace/laureates/1953/press.html Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-More nonsensical gibberish
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Police move to tackle huge rise in gun crime By Ian Burrell, Home Affairs Correspendent 15 January 2001 A national firearms database is to be established for the first time, amid fears over record levels of gun crime. --snip-- -- How on Earth is a national register of every owner going to help determine which criminals possess guns? The mind boggles. Steve. Steve, How indeed! Has anyone risen to the challenge of making them demonstrate just how such a move will prove anything? If no one is going to hold their feet to the fire and demand in no uncertain terms that the mechanics of the proposed system be positively demonstrated to be of any value over what is used presently, then what these noises in the mass media are is nothing more than asserted pronouncements by the 'effete elite' (with apologies to Spiro T. Agnew), to seem relevant, in an atmosphere that demonstrates that most all law that pretends to work, is becoming increasingly irrelevant The only laws that really work are or two varieties: the ones that punish those who violate other's liberties, and the extreme absolute laws which mandate death for every infraction. -- [=*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*=--\ [=*= Liberty: Live it . . . or lose it. [APIT .50) [=*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*=--/ ET -- My suggestion is that everyone visit their MP and mention how useless the handgun ban has been, and pose the question how a national register of legal guns is going to help stop a crime problem involving the use of guns that are illegal. You might also express your concerns to the FCC. My concern is that a national register will be counter- productive, because it will only take one crooked firearms licensing officer for every criminal to know where all the legally held guns are, whereas by contrast a national register will be next to useless in solving crimes. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Mowlam approves guns deal
From: "Alex Hamilton", [EMAIL PROTECTED] H, wonder if _your_ old gun is finding a new life in Jamaica??? Or is that just my suspicious mind??? mike __ Well, I would rather somebody had some use for my pistols than having them destroyed, especially if that would bring some money to the exchequer. I did object, and always said so, to the "theatrical act of destruction" just to impress the voters and I would like to see that "rubbed in" as yet another indicator of crass stupidity. And we can link this "quality" of thinking to other more importand issues like the entry into EU (hopefully before all industrial production dies) and the referendum on Euro. How can the plonkers that believe that the national register of all gun owners can influence the use of guns in crime be trusted to get anything right? Alex Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Legal-Dunblane transcript -internet address
From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The news forwarded below this should be of interest. I'm in Edinburgh at the moment, just having visited the National Library of Scotland. The Transcript on paper is about fourteen inches thick, but just printed on one side of the sheets, with big margins and gaps between questions and answers. I think the real evidence to note is Grace Jones Ogilvie's evidence on Day Three of the Inquiry (p.274 and 275) that a police car was outside Hamilton's house once or twice a month. I've mentioned it before. There doesn't seem to be anything in the Transcript which says which policeman/men it was or explains what was going on. I'm pursuing the matter. Regards Norman Bassett drakenfels.org --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr Bassett I promised to let you have details of the address for the Dunblane Inquiry transcripts. They can be found at: http://www.scotland.gov.uk/library3/justice/dunblane/dunblane-00.asp I hope this is helpful Yours sincerely, Trevor Lodge Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Mowlam approves guns deal
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Handguns? From Britain? What make and model? Are we a "go between" or are these handguns ones being sold from those handed in. I think this warrants someone trying to get their MP or Peer to ask a question about this. I got a letter from the Home Office a few weeks ago about our surrendered firearms. According to that letter "the vast majority" of them have been destroyed. I did ask how many had been, retained by the Police, obtained by museums or exported and the answer was that they didn't hold figures for this. Didn't the Governmnet say at some point that they wouldn't dispose of any of the gear abroad? Jonathan Laws -- Yes they did. Jamaica has purchased firearms from MoD stores before, I assume the same applies this time. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Quiz to be an MP
From: "Tom Charnock", [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you fancy trying to be a MP, the Guardian has a multi part questionnaire for you to try (I got a whole 5 points and a "don't bother") http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/quiz/questions/0,5961,272078,00.html Tom C Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-How NRA USA Won Against the Govmt
From: "Tom Charnock", [EMAIL PROTECTED] We see lots of comments about how our shooting bodies should / should not act. Here is a page that shows how the NRA (USA of course - NOT UK) beat the pressures from Clinton Half way down is the key bit, talk about not taking prisoners!! http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_010901/vacation1/stac.html COPY of Text as follows HOW DID THE NRA SUCCEED? THERES A LESSON IN THIS FOR US ALL Copyright Premiere Radio Networks 2000 Bill Clinton has admitted that one of his enemies and targets outmanoeuvred him. Der Shlick Meister told to a union group that he was out-smarted - by the National Rifle Association. During his farewell tribute from the AFL-CIO, Clinton dwelled at length on his long-standing belief that the Democrats have missed the boat on the gun issue - and suffered at the polls as a consequence. Clinton added that an attempt to demonize gun owners would only backfire, because many of them are union members. Clinton said, "The truth is that most of you people who are NRA members are good, God-fearing Americans out there, wouldn't break the law for anything on earth and they get spooked by these fear campaigns." He also blamed himself for failing to make the case that tougher gun control laws posed no threat to sportsmen. What can we learn from this? What did the NRA do to outmanoeuvre Bill Clinton? Did the NRA ever give in, for example? Did the NRA compromise? Did they share power? Did they back down? Did they attempt to portray themselves as compassionate and misunderstood? When Wayne LaPierre of the NRA said that he thought Bill Clinton was comfortable with the level of violence in this country because it gave him an opportunity to argue for more gun laws, LaPierre didn't back down in the face of cacophonous reaction to his words. He repeated them even louder! +++ The lesson to learn from the NRA is that you don't back down. You don't share power. You don't compromise. You don't try to engage in compassion, as defined by liberal Democrats - and you don't try to make them your friends. You set out to properly define liberals and defeat them within the confines of the political arena. +++ Study the way the NRA did this, folks. Trent Lott, you might want to study Wayne LaPierre and Charlton Heston. You've got your number one nemesis, Bill Clinton, admitting that he was out-maneuvered by the NRA. Somebody did it. Follow their lead because this is not a liberal country. Conservatism wins elections. READ THE FULL ARTICLE http://www.nydailynews.com/2001-01-09/News_and_Views/Beyond_the_City/a-95171 .asp Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Info to Fight Gun Bans
From: "Tom Charnock", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Great source of info and related sites http://hematite.com/dragon/gunintro.html UK commentary as of today in Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/This_Britain/2001-01/gun150101.shtml http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/This_Britain/2001-01/crook150101.shtml http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/This_Britain/2001-01/target150101.shtml Tom C Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-More nonsensical gibberish
From: "matthew.wright7", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like some Govt spin in there to offset the appalling gun crime figures that came out a few days ago. Even the National Criminal Investigation lot must get embarrased at this sort of stuff. How long must we all put up with the drivel that comes out of politicians when year on year their politically correct induced ideas prove not to work. Having a list of law abiding (already certificated) shooters is a cynical sop to public misconceptions, it won't address criminals obtaining and using guns. So we have bad policy built on deliberately fueled public misconceptions. Not only is this really another politically prejudiced way to deter shooting sports its also a way of avoiding real new funds to people like NCIU to tackle the real problem of serious crime and drugs etc. Matthew Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Olympics For Shooting Sports in 2002,
From: "Tom Charnock", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copied from http://www.clede.com/hotflash.htm is about half-way down page. Is there any other info on this?? Date / location fixed?? Also has lots other bits of info (US based) = "Olympics" For Shooting Sports in 2002, 3/10/00 NUREMBERG, Germany, March 10 /CNW-PRN/ - The World Shooting Federation (WSF) announced today that an Olympic-like international competition for shooting sports will be held in two years. The World Shooting Games (WSG) will draw several thousand athletes from more than 70 nations. Bidding for the host country for the inaugural Games has already begun. "The Games will embody the Olympic spirit of international cooperation and competition," said WSF President Nick Alexakos of Canada. "National teams from all over the world will compete in a wide variety of events. Athletes will win gold, silver and bronze medals and will participate in both opening and closing ceremonies." Planned events for the Games cover the wide range of sport shooting interests. Athletes will compete on national teams in singles competition and team events ranging from target shooting to archery and everything else in between. "The World Shooting Games will convey the same kind of color, excitement and camaraderie as the Olympics. The Games will also recognize the precision, physical coordination, and mental discipline demanded by the shooting sports," Alexakos added. WSF acts as an international umbrella organization for sport shooting associations around the world and promotes WSG. Alexakos said WSF functions much like the International Olympic Committee (IOC) in the sense that the various national and international federations will be members of WSF while still managing their own sporting affairs. "Millions of men and women around the word participate in safe, responsible, recreational shooting sports," Alexakos continued. "WSF gives all of them a voice -- whether they use pistols or rifles or shotguns -- and the Games will give them an opportunity to compete and showcase their skills." Speaking at a news conference in Germany, Alexakos referred to the WSF as a critical step forward in identifying the shooting sports as an athletic endeavor that creates enjoyment and recreation for millions of people. "Men and women enjoy everything from target shooting to skeet and trap to western cowboy shooting to muzzle loading," he said. "The World Shooting Federation brings together the various national and international federations to create a unified Games for our sport." Included in the scope of the organization are such shooting sports as archery and crossbow. WSF has invited bids to host the World Shooting Games. Sporting representatives in Germany, Australia, Greece, France, and the United States have already expressed interest in hosting the Games. A decision on the host city for the first Games will be made by late Summer, and announced in the Fall. "Just as athletics, football, rowing, and other sports need a worldwide coordinating body, we believe shooters around the world recognize the need for their sports as well," said Alexakos. "After nearly two years of planning and organization, the WSF is ready to bring sports shooting into the world arena." The World Shooting Federation is based in Toronto, Canada -- I've mentioned the WSF before, they have a website, www.worldshootingfederation.org or something like that. They haven't held a competition yet but it's worth joining if only for the subscription to Gun Games magazine that you get. Essentially it was started (IMO) because of the crappy attitude that the ISSF has to certain shooting disciplines, notably IPSC. ISSF has helped block any attempt by IPSC to get any of their disciplines into the Olympics. Americans aren't that enthused by ISSF, and frankly a lot of people outside Europe have a declining opinion of them, hence the WSF which is intended to be a bit more forward- looking. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-308 Round destroys MI
From: "Tom Charnock", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Worth a look, even to remind us all of the need for proofing http://communities.prodigy.net/sportsrec/gz-762d.html Tom C Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Mowlam approves guns deal
From: "bob blake", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is this for real? is Mo Mowlam really suggesting that it is OK for a British Copper to shoot a man with a chair leg but not OK for a Jamaican Copper to defend himself when shot at by real criminals. Jamaica is one of the most lawless places on earth and I am surprized that the figures stated are so low. I seem to recall that there is a Death Sentence for possession of a firearm in Jamaica, so I cannot see a criminal giving up, when the best survival option is to fight it out. Keep up the good work Bob Blake -- Jamaica has tough gun laws, but there is not a death sentence for illegal possession. During the 70s they had what was known as the Gun Courts Act, essentially detaining people without trial in a "gun court", i.e. a prison. This was repealed because it didn't work. Last I heard it is possible to get a license for self-defence in Jamaica. At one time they only allowed up to .38 Special or .380, but I know someone who has authority for a 9mm and he tells me it isn't that hard to convince the police provided you have a good reason. He also tells me that it is legal to use lethal force in defence of property in Jamaica. Anything over 9mm is hard to get. Apparently the Jamaican police will issue it sometimes, as he told me of an IPSC shooter he knows who has a .45, but larger calibres are only allowed for target shooting. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
