CS: Field-Cats the worst killers - odd twist

2001-02-14 Thread Pete

From:   Pete Ansbro, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I've been carrying this information for many years and now seems as good
a time as any to roll it out.

Road kill dogs are the responsibility of the Highway Authority, whereas
road kill cats are the responsibility of the Environmental Health
Authority for the area.  

If this has changed since I ceased to work for a highways authority
about 12 years ago, perhaps someone will let me know then I can forget
all about it.


Pete
--
Fascinating!

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CS: Misc-gundealer.net

2001-02-14 Thread Charlie

From:   "Charlie", [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Steve and all Cybershooters
Great news for me and hopefully for you, too. After four months offline,
Gundealer.net (www.gundealer.net) and Countrymans Weekly Online
(www.countrymansweekly.co.uk) are back in business.
Many apologies to anyone who tried to look at them. The owners of
Gundealer.net had some financial problems, which they have worked out.
Gundealer.net started life as the National Gundealers' Directory, which was
a supplement I put together for Shooting Times magazine in 1997. It provides
a free and comprehensive list of  UK gunshops. I put it on the web in March
1999, added free gun classified advertisements to the site (you pay if you
sell your gun through the site), and sold it to an American company in
February last year.  That company has now resurrected the site.
It also means that those who entered the draw for the popular Gundealer.net
baseball caps, which bear the legend "They fly they die" will get them, as I
can now afford the postage.
Countrymans Weekly Online is a fieldsports news service. It is the Internet
presence of The Countryman's Weekly, which is an excellent paper based in
Devon - and has nothing to do with the owner of Gundealer.net.
All the best
Charlie Jacoby
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CS: Pol-PETA

2001-02-14 Thread nick

From:   nick royall, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

PETA are the loonies that want the continuance of the feeding of pigeons in
Trafalgar square because they think they will starve to death otherwise.
Obviously these pigeons are too stupid to fly off to Green Park and
therefore disprove Darwin's theory unless human intervention counts as proof
God exists in the form of nutty spokespersons. Confused? Well, ask yourself
this. How do these people not starve themselves since they obviously dont
believe in walking to the shops to feed themselves.

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CS: Pol-The march in March

2001-02-14 Thread Brian Toller

From:   "Brian Toller", [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is anyone aware of any coaches going to the march from the Merseyside area?


Brian T
--
Phone them on their "hotline".  I think that's one of the reasons
for it!  www.march-info.org

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CS: Pol-Gunter on Guns

2001-02-14 Thread Lorne Gunter

From:   "Lorne Gunter", [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Lots of new licenses; few background checks

Geez, what happened at the Canadian Firearms Centre between
Friday, February 9 and Monday the 12th?

On Friday , Liberal MP John Maloney, who serves as Justice
Minister Anne McLellan's parliamentary secretary, told the
House of Commons the costs for registering all gun owners
and guns in Canada over the past five years "are roughly
$227 million." But by Monday, McLellan herself was telling
Canadian Press that over the same period the costs were
$489 million.

Must have been some party to have ran up a tab of $262
million in just three days.

One of the managers probably shouted "Free hot tubs and
mai tais for everyone!" And then bedlam broke out. Before
it was all over, the 1,700 police officers and bureaucrats
who work for the registry must have also decided if
addictions counsellors at a native drug treatment facility
in Manitoba could cruise the Caribbean with their spouses
at taxpayer expense, surely they were entitled to the same.
By the time they'd booked their staterooms and finalized
plans for personal spas in each of their homes...Poof! --
$262 million.

Of course, none of that happened. It's all a fiction, just
like the government's cost estimates.

The reason Maloney could give the Commons a total of $227
million and then have his minister give CP a total of $489
million three days later is that the Liberals are making
the cost figures up as they go alone.

Alliance MP Garry Brietkreuz estimates the real total --
based on access to information requests and Department of
Justice sources -- is closer to $585 million. The total
for the current budget year alone is supposedly $260 million.

Whatever the true number, it's in the half-a-billion range,
a far cry from the $120 million the government assured us
would be the upper-end when it started down this path in
1995.

Still, McLellan insists all this spending is worth it. "I
think it's a bargain," she said on Monday. The registry
has cost just $3 per person in the past five years, she
calculates. She feels that's a small price to pay for
increased public safety and saved lives. (By contrast, the
Liberals have spent less than $1 a head combating organized
crime and biker gangs during the same time.) 

However, it's unlikely the Canadian Firearms Centre is
trying any longer to increase or even maintain public
safety. In an effort to make the registry look successful,
it appears CFC staff have given up conducting meaningful
background checks on applicants for gun licences, and are
now merely firing permits to buy guns out the door as fast
as they are able.

McLellan and her PR flaks have long loved to announce how
many more licences have been refused or revoked under the
new registry than under the stringent gun controls that
existed before the current scheme.

Okay. They provided the rope. It would be discourteous
not to hang them with it.

At the end of last October, the CFC reported that it had
issued 418,000 gun licences in its first 23 months of
operation, and that in that time it had refused or revoked
2,238 licences; in its own words an impressive "21 times
more revocations" than the total for the five years before
the new law took effect.

No doubt most of these revocations could have been
accomplished under the old laws, and what was responsible
for the increase was a change in enforcement, not a change
in law. But, for a minute, let's grant the government its
gloat.

The rate to the end of October was one refusal or
revocation for every 190 applications.

Then came the last-minute rush in applications. In the last
four months before the December 31, 2000 deadline for
applying for a gun owner's licence more than a million came
in. Suddenly a system that had groaned out just 418,000
applications in two years was faced with two-and-a-half
times more.

It wasn't up to the task.

Since the end of October, the CFC has issued 162,000 more
full licences, but it has also hurried through 595,000
temporary licenses. That's 757,000 licenses in a little
more than three months. However, during that same time, it
has refused or revoked just 402 additional licenses, an
insignificant rate of only one in every 1,883 -- 10 times
fewer refusals or revocations than before this face-saving
rush.

You can almost hear the Liberal staffers saying, "Public
safety be damned. Let's save the minister's butt!"

Applications that were taking a full day each to process,
are (as Ezra Levant pointed out in a brilliant editorial
in the National Post on January 19) "blazing through...in
10 minutes flat."

Applications without references, applications with known
criminals are references, applications with major personal
information left blank are all zipping through the system,
as the CFC switches from concern for public safety to
concern for Liberal political fortunes.

Wh

CS: Legal-marine accused of making recruit suck on gun

2001-02-14 Thread KiPng

From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

FORMER MARINE `MADE RECRUIT SUCK ON GUN MUZZLE'

131716 FEB 10

By Chris Court, PA News

A former Royal Marine NCO accused of making a teenage recruit suck the 
muzzle of a 9mm pistol told a court today that the allegation was a "kick 
in the teeth."

David Everall, 33, who left the corps as a sergeant after 12 years with an 
"exemplary" character, told Exeter Crown Court he was "totally 
flabbergasted" at the allegation.

The incident was alleged to have happened when Everall was a 23-year-old 
Cpl at the Commando Training Centre at Lympstone, near Exeter, Devon.

Everall, from Gothic Close, Basford, Nottingham, said he had no 
recollection of either putting a gun near someone's face or actually them 
making them take the gun in their mouth.

He told the court he had worked for the prison serving since leaving the 
Corps, but had been suspended for the last year pending the outcome of the 
case.

Everall has pleaded not guilty to causing actual bodily harm to Brian 
Bannister at the CTC in 1991, and not guilty to an alternative charge of 
affray, using or threatening violence towards him.

Mr Bannister, 27, has told the court that Everall called his 618 troop on 
to the accommodation block landing at the CTC, put the Browning 9mm into 
his mouth and told him "suck it."

Everall, who was a platoon weapons instructor at the time of the alleged 
incident, said today no gun, loaded or unloaded, should be pointed at 
anyone.

He told the court he found "very strange and suspicious" that someone 
should make allegations after all this time about something which did not 
happen.

Cross-examined by prosecutor Richard Crabb, he said he had never heard of 
anyone putting a gun into someone's mouth as a joke.

Earlier today, two former Royal Marines today told the court they saw 
Everall put a 9mm pistol into Mr Bannister's mouth and told him toid him to 
suck on it.

Mr Bannister, who served two tours in Bosnia, said yesterday he began to 
get flashbacks and "chronic nightmares" about the incident after a car 
crash in October, 1998.

He said he was medically discharged from the Marines last year after 
developing post traumatic stress disorder.

Mr Bannister said the incident happened when he and his 618 troop returned 
to Lympstone from a week's weapons course at Portsmouth seven or eight 
weeks into their training.
 
Former Royal Marine Mark Smith, who was in Mr Bannister's troop at the CTC, 
said today: "Everall was shouting at Bannister, and I saw a pistol in his 
hand pointing towards Bannister's mouth.

"The Corporal was shouting abuse, and I heard him say something along the 
lines of 'suck on this' and pointing the pistol towards Bannister's face," 
said the witness.

"Bannister was very upset, he was crying," said Mr Smith, who added: 
"Everall saw it as a joke I suppose, because of his usual big grin all over 
his face."

Fellow 618 troop member Jason Sanders, who left the Marines three years 
ago, said he was about six feet away when he heard Everall ask Mr Bannister 
for the weapon.

"It was a Browning 9mm, and he told  Bannister to open his mouth and put 
the weapon in his mouth. The muzzle was in there for five or 10 seconds," 
he said.

Mr Bannister said yesterday that Everall unlocked an ammunition box and 
took out a 9mm Browning pistol, in which there was a magazine, and pulled 
back the slide.

"Smiling, he put it in my face and stood there grinning at me. By this time 
I was in tears," said Mr Bannister, who said Everall had his finger on the 
trigger.

Everall, he said, told him: "Suck it Bannister, and nudged the gun forward 
and made me put my lips over the barrel.

"I was crying my eyes out and pleading to stop. He just smiled," said Mr 
Bannister, adding: "I just cannot get rid of that face. It was like he was 
enjoying it."

In the car accident he hit his head but was not detained in hospital.

But later he went back to hospital after getting "more vivid" flashbacks 
involving Everall and the pistol, and was diagnosed with post traumatic 
stress disorder.

Mr Bannister told defence counsel Michael Brabin he believed the pistol was 
loaded, adding: "I believed he was going to kill me."

 The trial was adjourned until tomorrow.



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CS: Legal-Lufthansa refuse to carry replica musket

2001-02-14 Thread George

From:   George Barnard, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Just saw this letter from Dr. Alastair Bantock in the current issue of
Orders of the Daye, the Journal of the Sealed Knot, Website:
"http://www.sealedknot.org/

Air Transport Of Historic Weapons For Re-Enactments

In August while travelling to the Wallenstein Fest in Memmingen, Germany
I experienced a problem with the transportation of my replica dog-lock
muzzle-loading musket, the carrier being Lufthansa. The musket was
checked by the Stansted police and accepted by the baggage handlers, but
then failed to arrive at Munich. 24 hours later we learned that the
transportation of this musket had been refused by the Lufthansa pilot and
was still at Stansted. They had not even informed Munich of this
action.

I have received a letter of apology from Lufthansa, but feel that you
should be made aware of their policy. I quote from their letter of 14
November 2000:

“The Lufthansa policy on the transportation of firearms states that
passengers may carry hunting or sporting arms as exclusively checked
baggage which is loaded in the aircraft cargo compartment and which must
be unloaded and contained in a breakproof container, e.g. a marked gun
case... The transportation of such items IS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE
CAPTAIN.”

As this policy would appear to differ from all other carriers I have
previously used I feel it is important that this statement by Lufthansa
should be brought to the attention of members.

It may be of interest that the Royal Ulster Constabulary regard these as
“theatrical props”  “since the weapons referred to are being used as part
of a theatrical performance, a firearm certificate is not required” 
(letter 10 May 1996).

There would have been about 40 muskets in Memmingen for this event by
Sealed Knot members, all of which had travelled from UK.
--
All carriers have this policy, it is part of international law,
if I recall correctly.

My suggestion is to wait at check-in and talk to the Captain when
he comes in to make sure if you are worried.

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CS: Pol-changes will be made to hunting bill

2001-02-14 Thread KiPng

From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

MINISTERS `HINTING AT HUNT BILL U-TURNS'

131830 FEB 10

By Amanda Brown, Environment Correspondent, PA News

The Government is expected to bring in changes to the highly controversial 
Hunting Bill after protests that it would, as drafted, ban deer stalking.

MPs have overwhelmingly voted for a foxhunting ban, but the Bill was never 
intended to crack down on stalking and flushing deer.

Opponents of the Bill said it went too far and would restrict land managers 
from carrying out important culling and managerial tasks - a point conceded 
by Home Office Minister Mike O'Brien in a letter to Conservative MP David 
Lidington (Aylesbury).

Simon Hart, Director of the Campaign for Hunting said: "In the short time the 
Government has allotted to the Committee stage of this Bill, we have seen 
Ministers hint at some major U-turns.

"Firstly, there was doubt as to whether rabbits should or should not be 
included in the list of prohibited species.

"Then we were assured by the Junior Minister Jane Kennedy that the gun packs 
of Wales would be excluded from any ban and now we are told that the stalking 
and flushing of deer, which was originally intended to be outlawed, will now 
probably not be.

"All of this confirms that despite years of time and millions of pounds of 
resources, hunting's opponents have failed to draft a Bill that actually 
achieves their objectives.

"The Bill as it stands would impact on a much wider rural community than 
either the House of Commons or the public have been led to believe it will."

Mr Hart added: "The Minister has a duty to ensure that there are no grey 
areas, no ambiguities and no assumptions.

"If they haven't managed that by now, it is unlikely that they ever will."




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CS: Pol-The march in March

2001-02-14 Thread Andrew Chastney

From:   "Andrew Chastney", [EMAIL PROTECTED]

That's what I think, anyway.  I could be wrong (it does
happen occasionally), but I have to do what I think is right,
even if everyone else seems to disagree(including people who
I respect).  If anyone would like to post any counter-arguments
I'll read them, though I can't guarantee a reply, for the
reasons already stated - though I can guarantee to consider
any sensible argument.  But unless you can persuade me I'm
wrong, the position at the moment is that I'll be spending
18th March in Manchester, same as usual.


Stuart Heal

Quiet loner with an arsenal of weapons.

http://olympia.fortunecity.com/naseem/170/
--
You state that "the chase itself has to be extremely
stressful".
You also say that you've never ridden to hounds and don't think
you'd learn anything by doing so.

If you've never experienced it for yourself, on what basis are
you drawing your conclusion that the chase has to be stressful? I
can only assume that in your opinion you _think_ it must be
stressful.

If you had been hunting you would have seen for yourself that
both foxes and hares will act completely nonchalantly even when
the hounds are as close as a minute behind. Among other things
they will stop to groom themselves, they will stop to drink,
hares are frequently seen to stop and begin feeding, and have even
been seen mating while hounds are hunting their line.

None of these things suggest an animal under extreme duress.
Let's not forget that for a wild animal to run away from danger
is the most natural thing in the world. It seems extremely
unlikely that a hare or a fox makes much distinction between different types
of danger.

Consider two fox control scenarios -

a) A group of farmers beating with dogs to flush foxes from
cover to waiting guns
b) A huntsman using foxhounds to flush foxes from cover to be
hunted

Does the fox in a) feel any less stress than the one in b) at
the moment at which it decides to make a run for it? I doubt it
very much.
Or what about the fox that you meet wandering along a hedgerow
when you're out for a walk with your dog? I maintain that in
each of those situations the fox just thinks 'Hell, time to get out of
here'. As soon as it has got what it perceives to be a safe distance from
its persuer it will stop running.

That is precisely what happens during the course of a hunt. The
hunted hare or fox runs till it thinks it's safe, then pulls up
and just gets on with its normal business.The hounds have either lost it or
they're still on its line. If the latter, as soon as they get too close
for comfort off goes the quarry again till once more it feels safe and
pulls up. (I say this with certainty as I have been hunting many times and seen
it with my own eyes.)

This stop/start affair keeps up for most of the hunt. I would
argue that at no point during this process is the quarry under any stress
at all. It is simply doing what every single wild bird or animal does
every day in order to survive - running from danger.

It is only in the very last stages of a hunt when the hounds
close in that there is any possibility of stress. But I would argue that
even at that point it is still completely natural. Watch just about any
natural history programme and you will see countless examples of
insects, birds or animals chasing and killing other insects, birds, or
animals.
You might find it disagreeable but the unescapeable reality is
that nature is indeed 'red in tooth and claw'.

The _real_ reason that hunting is under threat has nothing to
do with animal welfare. (The Govt's own enquiry, the Burns Report,
has found nothing to suggest that hunting is any more cruel than
any of the other legal methods of control.) It's because some people
are revolted by the fact that other people go hunting for
enjoyment, and also because it's still perceived to be the sole preserve of
the idle rich and it's a good way of indulging in a bit of toff bashing.

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CS: Target-.50

2001-02-14 Thread VinceB

From:   "VinceB", [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I think perhaps the .50 shooters could help themselves out by inviting along
some TR shooters for a look-see though.
Steve.

Ooh, yes please - count me in for that day out!
Cheers
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CS: Target-High capacity Ruger .44 magazines?

2001-02-14 Thread John Hurst.

From:   "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]




CS: Crime-"the fashion for firearms"

2001-02-14 Thread James McNair

From:   "James McNair", [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Had a slight bit of double counting on my earlier figure of firearm deaths.

I make it 77 killed by firearms in the year 2000 , unfortunately the police
and the media don't always let on what type of gun was involved so its
difficult to pin down exactly how many were handgun related killings.


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CS: Field-Cats the worst killers

2001-02-14 Thread nick

From:   nick royall, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

A dog, like a horse is a domestic animal. A cat is a wild animal so you
cannot do anything about next door's cat shi--ing in your garden wheras if
the next door's dog does the same they are culpable.

Nick


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CS: Legal-Hungerford "suicide by cop"

2001-02-14 Thread tony whiting

From:   "tony whiting", [EMAIL PROTECTED]

i lived in hungerford at the time, and everyone there believed he hade been
shot, look at the old pictures, their seem to be two hole in the windows one
a smash and one that could be a gun shot
--
Presumably a bullet hole in the window could be from shooting himself,
as the bullet would have kept on going.  I'll have to check, I can't
remember if he kept on firing once he was inside the school.

Steve.


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CS: Crime-"the fashion for firearms"

2001-02-14 Thread James McNair

From:   "James McNair", [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I too would question the figures of fatalities caused by firearms in the
year 2000. Perhaps the figure of 42 relates to ONLY those caused by
handguns, however, by my calculations around 81 deaths were caused by guns
in the year 2000.This figure does include those killed by the police.
--
The official figure is 62 homicides, although I assume that
is illegal homicides.

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CS: Pol-Proliferation of Small Arms

2001-02-14 Thread Mike Burns

From:   "Mike Burns", [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Mullin, a junior international development minister, said: "We
all have a collective responsibility to combat small arms
proliferation."



1: We have a teacher shortage
2: We have a nurse and doctor crisis
3: We have pensioners freezing to death in winter
4: We have students being taxed out of higher education
5: We have middle earners being taxed out of existence
We have all these crises and the govt wants to spend umpteen million on
THIS?  It'll be almost as effective as the Firearms Acts 1968-1997 and
probably cost more.  Money well spent, that's what I say... 
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CS: Pol-Cook on small arms control

2001-02-14 Thread gf

From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 World Forum on the Future of Sport Shooting -
Mailing list

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Britain seeks curbs on world's small arms trade

By Dominic Evans


LONDON (Reuters) - Britain sought international support Tuesday for
plans to curb the enormous global trade in small arms, offering development aid
to countries which set aside and destroyed weapons stockpiles.

Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told a conference in London that Britain
was proposing an International Arms Surrender Fund to help replace the
"click of  the safety catch" in conflict zones with the "click of the
computer mouse."

Cook said Britain also wanted tougher regulation of the legal arms
market and  a clampdown on illicit sales.

 We will all gain from the successful removal of weaponry from
strife-torn  societies, and the substitution of productive and
meaningful economic activity," he said.

Arms trade campaigners say Britain must take steps at home before it
could assume a leading international role.

The United Nations, increasingly worried at the impact of small arms --
particularly in internal conflicts -- has called an international
conference  in July on the illicit arms trade.

 Britain has spearheaded demands for action to cut the estimated 500
million  pistols, rifles and semi-automatic rifles in circulation
worldwide, many of them recycled from one conflict to another.

"In the past 10 years alone, conflicts fought only with small arms and
 light weapons have killed over three million people, most of them
unarmed civilians," Cook said.

"The self-loading rifle is today's real weapon of mass destruction."

Cook said Britain would provide funds over the next three years to help
with  weapons collection and destruction projects, but initiatives by
individual  countries could not match the impact of concerted
international action.

BRITAIN "MUST PUT OWN HOUSE IN ORDER"

Prime Minister Tony Blair's government, which pledged four years ago to
inject an "ethical dimension" into foreign policy, has promised tight
controls on arms exports. But they are unlikely to come into force
before  elections expected in May.

Speaking before Wednesday's fifth anniversary of a damning report into
British arms sales to Iraq in the 1980s, arms trade campaigners
chastised ministers for failing to take quicker action.

"Small arms brokered from Britain will continue to cause suffering
around the  world," Justin Forsyth, director of policy at Oxfam said in
a statement.
"The  government should be ashamed of its failure to introduce tough new
arms  laws."

Human rights group Amnesty International said Britain "desperately
needs to  get its own house in order so as to exert the kind of
leadership we
need to stop the suffering and human rights abuses caused by
inappropriate arms exports."

Blair's government says it has already opened up the murky world of
arms trading to public scrutiny and prevented sales of weapons for use
in internal repression and external aggression.

In December it unveiled a draft bill which would introduce controls on
trafficking and brokering in weapons, including light weapons and small
arms.

The bill stands no chance of being approved before May, when Blair is
expected to announce elections, and would have to be reintroduced in
a later  parliamentary session.
--
Ah yes, the SLR, a weapon of "mass destruction", that the Government
thoughtfully gave away in large quantities to those responsible
people in Sierra Leone...

These people from Oxfam have no clue what they're twittering on about,
they actually suggested to the Foreign Office that Guernsey was
a major centre for international arms trafficking, because of all
the ammunition shipments there.  If they actually bothered to check,
they would have discovered this is because private possession of
Section 1 ammunition is banned in Guernsey, hence no handloading,
hence large shipments of ammunition to gun clubs.

Steve.


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CS: Field-Cats...and Pheasants..

2001-02-14 Thread Richard Loweth

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If you "steal" a pheasant when it is alive...it is poaching. When it is
dead...it is theft. One cannot have "property" in game as it is wild. So
what then of pet pheasants kept in an enclosed aviary? Theft or poaching?

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