Re: Fwd: md5sum using Cygwin in Windows

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:31:58PM -0700, Paul Newell wrote:
> "Wow!  Zing!" ???
>
> Hum ...
>
>I would think a simple "yes, understanding Unix/Linux before dealing
>with Cygwin" would have been a bit more professional ..  or, probably
>more to the point, encouraging one to pursue learning Unix/Linux.

think "Wow! Zing!" was not anyone trying to be professional or
encouraging.  I very much do not care what version of Linux someone uses
and do not care if someone learns Unix.  I do think that people should
spend a modicum of time familiarizing themselves with something before
offering criticisms, suggestions, or advice, however.  If they can't be
bothered to do that, and want to lecture or criticize, they should be
prepared not to be taken very seriously.

Oh and FYI, this isn't paid support and no one here has to make any
effort whatsoever to be "professional".

>Regarding his comment of Ubuntu being "newbie-friendly", I live in a
>RH/Fedora world and I was advised by Linux folks I respect to not try
>to bring my own system up under Ubuntu as it would confuse me since I
>am a programmer and not a sysAdmin guru.  I'm not advocating RH/Fedora,
>but flavors on Linux are important and following this post gives me the
>sense that Cygwin is RH based (underscored by
>http://www.redhat.com/software/cygwin/).  Hence, that might be a better
>model towards his understanding Linux and then Cygwin.

You're wrong.  You're using software from http://cygwin.com/ .  It is not
"RH based" in any way.  I use Ubuntu and Gentoo on the systems where I
develop Cygwin.  Some package developers possibly don't have any Linux
system whatsoever.

As far as actual code in Cygwin is concerned, you could make the case that
if Cygwin is "based" on anything it would be FreeBSD, not Linux.

You seem to be missing the point that the only reason the OP downloaded
Cygwin was to install Ubuntu.

>(the person who might be referred to in cgf's "Hmm.  Just got a similar
>question on irc a while ago.Cygwin doesn't use : or \." (23jun08, same
>thread) which may be fundamental but still a necessary learning
>experience by doing wrong and being corrected ...  twice)

Your confusion about /cygdrive was in email, not irc.  If you really
were the person who was asking on irc that would qualify as being
confused four times since I had to repeat myself there at least twice.

cgf

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Re: change in gawk from 3.1.5 to 3.1.6

[Nicholas Volk]

Awk is not really my expertise (haven't used it in years) but shouldn't
that be

awk '{printf ("%6d", 0x22) }' test.txt

I mean that "0x22" usually refers to strings, not hexes.
Works fine without quotations.

br,
  Nicholas

> Hello Corinna,
>
> the change in gawk from 3.1.5  to 3.1.6 broke my script.
>
> in 3.1.5 i received a correct value when fomatting hex strings
>
>  > awk '{printf ("%6d","0x22" ) }' test.txt
>   34
>
> in 3.1.6 i receiveonly 0 when fomatting hex strings
>
> 3.1.6
>  > awk '{printf ("%6d","0x22" ) }' test.txt
>   0
>
>
>
> it loks as if it didn't understand hex notation any longer. Or am I
> missing something ?
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
>
> Helmut Kern
>
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change in gawk from 3.1.5 to 3.1.6

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hello Corinna,

the change in gawk from 3.1.5  to 3.1.6 broke my script.

in 3.1.5 i received a correct value when fomatting hex strings

> awk '{printf ("%6d","0x22" ) }' test.txt
 34

in 3.1.6 i receiveonly 0 when fomatting hex strings

3.1.6
> awk '{printf ("%6d","0x22" ) }' test.txt
 0



it loks as if it didn't understand hex notation any longer. Or am I 
missing something ?




Greetings,


Helmut Kern

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Re: Fwd: md5sum using Cygwin in Windows

[Paul Newell]

"Wow!  Zing!" ???

Hum ...

I would think a simple "yes, understanding Unix/Linux before dealing 
with Cygwin" would have been a bit more professional .. or, probably 
more to the point, encouraging one to pursue learning Unix/Linux.


Regarding his comment of Ubuntu being "newbie-friendly", I live in a 
RH/Fedora world and I was advised by Linux folks I respect to not try to 
bring my own system up under Ubuntu as it would confuse me since I am a 
programmer and not a sysAdmin guru. I'm not advocating RH/Fedora, but 
flavors on Linux are important and following this post gives me the 
sense that Cygwin is RH based (underscored by 
http://www.redhat.com/software/cygwin/). Hence, that might be a better 
model towards his understanding Linux and then Cygwin.


Paul
(the person who might be referred to in cgf's "Hmm.  Just got a similar 
question on irc a while ago.Cygwin doesn't use : or \." (23jun08, same 
thread) which may be fundamental but still a necessary learning 
experience by doing wrong and being corrected ... twice)


Christopher Faylor wrote:

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 05:43:39PM -0700, Ben wrote:
  

"The project is geared towards people who understand a UNIX(tm)
environment.  If that isn't you, then it's hard to see why you're
dabbling with Ubuntu."

If I don't understand UNIX, then it's hard to see why I'm dabbling
with Ubuntu? Is that a mistype? Did you mean to say that it's easy to
see why I'm dabbling with Ubuntu, as it is generally thought to be a
newbie-friendly distro? Is there a more approachable way to understand
UNIX?

It's no wonder that Linux has roughly 1% desktop market share with
that sort of attitude. Unfortunately, Ubuntu doesn't even display
right on my laptop, so it'll be a while yet before I do understand
Linux.



Wow!  Zing!

cgf

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Re: Fwd: md5sum using Cygwin in Windows

[Ben]

Also: thanks for the answer. It actually doesn't really matter, and
maybe it is unnecessary for Cygwin to bother catering towards people
without UNIX experience at all. They probably should be avoiding it
until after they've had some experience with Linux.

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "The project is geared towards people who understand a UNIX(tm)
> environment.  If that isn't you, then it's hard to see why you're
> dabbling with Ubuntu."
>
> If I don't understand UNIX, then it's hard to see why I'm dabbling
> with Ubuntu? Is that a mistype? Did you mean to say that it's easy to
> see why I'm dabbling with Ubuntu, as it is generally thought to be a
> newbie-friendly distro? Is there a more approachable way to understand
> UNIX?
>
> It's no wonder that Linux has roughly 1% desktop market share with
> that sort of attitude. Unfortunately, Ubuntu doesn't even display
> right on my laptop, so it'll be a while yet before I do understand
> Linux.
>
> - B
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Christopher Faylor
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 02:42:49PM -0700, Ben wrote:
>>>Removed my HTML to send this off...
>>
>> It is not important for anyone to know this.
>>
>>>The Ubuntu help says that if you download Cygwin (link:
>>>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM), you can follow the
>>>Linux directions. I'm using the Cygwin shell and it is not working. I
>>>downloaded the file to C. I type:
>>>
>>>cd C:\
>>>
>>>So far, so good. The (zippied) file ubutuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso is
>>>sitting in C:\. So I type:
>>>
>>>md5sum ubutuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
>>>
>>>"No such file or directory."
>>>
>>>Ah well. Cygwin does not seem to be a very newbie-friendly
>>>application. "Help cd" offers one a starkly technical little
>>>paragraph. Incidentally, how does one even go to the Desktop directory
>>>(which lies at C:\Documents and Settings\Ben\Desktop for me) with
>>>Cygwin? Whenever you put in a space, Cygwin seems to reject it.
>>
>> Hmm.  Just got a similar question on irc a while ago.
>>
>> Cygwin doesn't use : or \.  Use:
>>
>> cd "/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/Ben/Desktop"
>>
>> And, btw, your "newbie-friendly" comment shows that you apparently have
>> no idea what Cygwin is and possibly have no idea what Linux is all
>> about.  The project is geared towards people who understand a UNIX(tm)
>> environment.  If that isn't you, then it's hard to see why you're
>> dabbling with Ubuntu.
>>
>> cgf
>>
>>
>

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Re: Fwd: md5sum using Cygwin in Windows

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 05:43:39PM -0700, Ben wrote:
>"The project is geared towards people who understand a UNIX(tm)
>environment.  If that isn't you, then it's hard to see why you're
>dabbling with Ubuntu."
>
>If I don't understand UNIX, then it's hard to see why I'm dabbling
>with Ubuntu? Is that a mistype? Did you mean to say that it's easy to
>see why I'm dabbling with Ubuntu, as it is generally thought to be a
>newbie-friendly distro? Is there a more approachable way to understand
>UNIX?
>
>It's no wonder that Linux has roughly 1% desktop market share with
>that sort of attitude. Unfortunately, Ubuntu doesn't even display
>right on my laptop, so it'll be a while yet before I do understand
>Linux.

Wow!  Zing!

cgf

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Does profiler works in cygwin ?

[Raja Saleru]

Hi
I would like to know whether we can compile the application in cygwin
using -pg and then get the output using gprof.

Consider the below sample application,

$ gcc -pg quick.c
$ ./a.exe
$ gprof -b a.exe gmon.out

I am wonder why the time is zero in the below output result?

Please help in clarifying this.

Thanks and Regards
Raja Saleru


Output
--

$ gprof.exe  -b a.exe gmon.out
Flat profile:

Each sample counts as 0.01 seconds.
 no time accumulated

  %   cumulative   self  self total
 time   seconds   secondscalls  Ts/call  Ts/call  name
  0.00  0.00 0.001 0.00 0.00  _q_sort
  0.00  0.00 0.001 0.00 0.00  _quickSort


Call graph


granularity: each sample hit covers 0 byte(s) no time propagated

index % timeself  childrencalled name
   65534 _q_sort [3]
0.000.00   1/1   _quickSort [4]
[3]  0.00.000.00   1+65534   _q_sort [3]
   65534 _q_sort [3]
---
0.000.00   1/1   _main [41]
[4]  0.00.000.00   1 _quickSort [4]
0.000.00   1/1   _q_sort [3]
---




/*
 * Sample Application - quick sort
 *
 * This program is used as application to creating gmon.out
 */

#include 
#include 

#define NUM_ITEMS 0x

void quickSort(int numbers[], int array_size);
void q_sort(int numbers[], int left, int right);

int numbers[NUM_ITEMS];


int main()
{
  int i;

  //seed random number generator
  srand(getpid());

  //fill array with random integers
  for (i = 0; i < NUM_ITEMS; i++)
numbers[i] = rand();

  //perform quick sort on array
  quickSort(numbers, NUM_ITEMS);

  printf("Done with sort.\n");
  for (i = 0; i < NUM_ITEMS; i++)
printf("%i\n", numbers[i]);
}


void quickSort(int numbers[], int array_size)
{
  q_sort(numbers, 0, array_size - 1);
}



void q_sort(int numbers[], int left, int right)
{
  int pivot, l_hold, r_hold;

  l_hold = left;
  r_hold = right;
  pivot = numbers[left];
  while (left < right)
  {
while ((numbers[right] >= pivot) && (left < right))
  right--;
if (left != right)
{
  numbers[left] = numbers[right];
  left++;
}
while ((numbers[left] <= pivot) && (left < right))
  left++;
if (left != right)
{
  numbers[right] = numbers[left];
  right--;
}
  }
  numbers[left] = pivot;
  pivot = left;
  left = l_hold;
  right = r_hold;
  if (left < pivot)
q_sort(numbers, left, pivot-1);
  if (right > pivot)
q_sort(numbers, pivot+1, right);
}






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Re: pango

[d.henman]

Pleas look at the configured built .pc files below.

Why does the pkg-confing file, pangowin32-uninstalled.pc, include
the line below?
Libs: ${pc_top_builddir}/${pcfiledir}/pango/libpangowin32.la -lgdi32


$ ls *win32*.pc#list all pkg-config file related to win32
pangowin32-uninstalled.pc  pangowin32.pc

$ cat *win32*.pc# here's look at their content.

Name: Pango Win32 Uninstalled
Description: Win32 GDI font support for Pango, Not Installed
Version: 1.21.3
Requires: pango
Libs: ${pc_top_builddir}/${pcfiledir}/pango/libpangowin32.la -lgdi32
Cflags: -I${pc_top_builddir}/${pcfiledir}/.
prefix=
exec_prefix=${prefix}
libdir=${exec_prefix}/lib
includedir=${prefix}/include

Name: Pango Win32
Description: Win32 GDI font support for Pango
Version: 1.21.3
Requires: pango
Libs: -L${libdir} -lpangowin32-1.0 -lgdi32
Cflags: -I${includedir}/pango-1.0

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Re: Fwd: md5sum using Cygwin in Windows

[Ben]

"The project is geared towards people who understand a UNIX(tm)
environment.  If that isn't you, then it's hard to see why you're
dabbling with Ubuntu."

If I don't understand UNIX, then it's hard to see why I'm dabbling
with Ubuntu? Is that a mistype? Did you mean to say that it's easy to
see why I'm dabbling with Ubuntu, as it is generally thought to be a
newbie-friendly distro? Is there a more approachable way to understand
UNIX?

It's no wonder that Linux has roughly 1% desktop market share with
that sort of attitude. Unfortunately, Ubuntu doesn't even display
right on my laptop, so it'll be a while yet before I do understand
Linux.

- B

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Christopher Faylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 02:42:49PM -0700, Ben wrote:
>>Removed my HTML to send this off...
>
> It is not important for anyone to know this.
>
>>The Ubuntu help says that if you download Cygwin (link:
>>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM), you can follow the
>>Linux directions. I'm using the Cygwin shell and it is not working. I
>>downloaded the file to C. I type:
>>
>>cd C:\
>>
>>So far, so good. The (zippied) file ubutuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso is
>>sitting in C:\. So I type:
>>
>>md5sum ubutuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
>>
>>"No such file or directory."
>>
>>Ah well. Cygwin does not seem to be a very newbie-friendly
>>application. "Help cd" offers one a starkly technical little
>>paragraph. Incidentally, how does one even go to the Desktop directory
>>(which lies at C:\Documents and Settings\Ben\Desktop for me) with
>>Cygwin? Whenever you put in a space, Cygwin seems to reject it.
>
> Hmm.  Just got a similar question on irc a while ago.
>
> Cygwin doesn't use : or \.  Use:
>
> cd "/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/Ben/Desktop"
>
> And, btw, your "newbie-friendly" comment shows that you apparently have
> no idea what Cygwin is and possibly have no idea what Linux is all
> about.  The project is geared towards people who understand a UNIX(tm)
> environment.  If that isn't you, then it's hard to see why you're
> dabbling with Ubuntu.
>
> cgf
>
>

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Re: Running fontforge.exe does nothing

[Larry Hall (Cygwin)]

David Spector wrote:

Dave and Ralph,

Thanks for your quick responses and help.

That did it. I can now run fontforge. Thanks again!

(Surely cygwin packaging could have been done similar to the Make model 
so a single "install the latest fontforge" command would automatically 
install cygwin, x windows, and all necessary libraries, with nothing 
unnecesary? It seems weird to have to spend hours of realtime to get the 
advice necessary to get an ordinary program running, not to mention 
having to use two different diagnostic tools, cygcheck and the module 
search page.)


Cygwin packaging is "done similar to the Make model" in that packages
know what their dependencies are and will automatically add those to
the list of packages to install.

I'm not sure where you got "fontforge" but it's not part of what's
distributed with Cygwin.  If you visited 
and searched for it, this would be evident to you.  The fact that some
external source for 'fontforge' does not magically do what you want
with 'setup.exe' should not be that surprising to you, at least once
you armed with the knowledge of what you're doing.

As for the using both  and 'cygcheck', once
you have 'cygcheck', you don't need .  But
the latter is nice when you don't have the former.  And actually, 'cygcheck
-p' just wraps the web functionality into a convenient command-line tool.
So there's really nothing weird about it.

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A: Yes.
> Q: Are you sure?
>> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
>>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email?

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Re: binutils: nm -C doesn't demangle?

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

Christopher Faylor wrote:
| Test case?  I have certain things on my computer but apparently they
| aren't the right certain things.

$ ~/tmp/nm --version | head -n 1
GNU nm 2.17.50 20060817

$ ~/tmp/nm -C /usr/lib/libcrypt.dll.a | grep " T "
 T setkey
 T encrypt
 T crypt

$ /usr/bin/nm --version | head -n 1
GNU nm (GNU Binutils) 2.18.50.20080523

$ /usr/bin/nm -C /usr/lib/libcrypt.dll.a | grep " T "
 T _setkey
 T _encrypt
 T _crypt


Yaakov
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Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Cygwin)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEAREIAAYFAkhhkK0ACgkQpiWmPGlmQSMCrQCg5gVJ2tVGv2gGD5hA9GE5+Rmx
BhkAoNM5Tr1t6eHOUciu+fPlzj94HZbE
=uc9E
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Re: Running fontforge.exe does nothing

[Brian Dessent]

David Spector wrote:

> I'm having trouble using setup.exe. It seems to want
> to download all sorts of software I'm not interested
> in by default. Example: ghostscript, which I already
> have installed under Windows.

Packages have dependencies.  When you select one package, setup adds all
the other packages that are required for proper operation of that
package.  If it selected ghostscript, it's because you've selected a
package (possibly indirectly) that is listed as requiring ghostscript. 
If you try to second guess these dependencies you end up with a broken
system where trying to run a command results in nothing happening
because of missing DLLs, which is the original problem that brought you
here in the first place.

> I can't find any way to install only the libpng12 and
> libxml2 packages without having to expand then check
> and uncheck hundreds of individual entries.

Again, if you try to second guess setup you'll just end up with a broken
system.  If it selects a package for installation that means something
indicates that it's necessary for proper operation.

> (I won't waste space including your message of June
> 24, 2008 1:40 PM, since it's in the archive. Why does
> cygwin use the mailing list approach, instead of an
> online forum? Seems awkward,

Oh, where to begin.

Email is flexible.  You can read messages using your choice of program,
from full client (Outlook, Thunderbird, Kmail) to text mode client
(emacs, mutt, pine, elm) to webmail (hotmail, gmail, etc) to mobile
phones, and so on.  With a web forum, you get precisely one UI with no
alternatives.  If I find the forum admin's choice of colors or font size
objectionable I have no choice, whereas I can configure my email client
as I wish.  I can filter/sort/organize the messages as I wish according
to arbitrarily complex rules, whereas forums give few options.  And I
cringe when thinking of having to compose messages in a crappy little
web browser form, compared to using a full fledged text editor.

Email is distributed.  When I receive the copy of an email it stays in
my client until I move or delete it.  I can instantly refer to old
messages with practically zero delay, whereas with web forums there is a
page load delay for every page, not to mention that there's not even a
possibility of using web forums offline.

Email has real threads (a tree) when used in conjunction with a real
client, not a flat list of messages.

Email is mirrored.  With web forums, the messages live in exactly one
place and are hard or impossible to mirror by third parties without
database access.  If that one site ever goes down, the content usually
dies with it.  Mailing lists are archived widely by disparate parties
and tend to live on forever regardless of whether the original host
still exists.  Examples:  and
.

Email is fast.  It's pure text.  There are no annoying smileys, avatars,
obnoxious flashing banner ads, stylesheets, javascript, etc.  And
mercifully on this list there is no HTML either.

Email is a push not a pull medium.  There's no refreshing of a page to
see if someone replied, you get a message delivered when it's sent.

Email is universal.  You can CC multiple lists/projects and multiple
recipients, because practically every open source project has a mailing
list.  With web forums, you are restricted to only those forums on that
particular board.  There is no choice of crossposting to other boards
and having replies work in a sensible manner; every community is its own
little walled garden.  There are countless various different and
incompatible forum scripts/software, none of which can communicate; but
email is standard.

Email tends to be treated with a more mature attitude.  For the most
part people use real names and they communicate in proper English with
complete sentences and proper grammar.  Web forums tend to attract the
"LOL OMG WTF!! :smiley:" kind of useless lamer.

Email can be easily gatewayed to other formats.  If you want to read the
mailing list like a web forum, you can:
.  If you want to read it as a
newsgroup, you can: .  If you
want to read it as a blog, you can:
.  And so on with RSS, etc.  But
a web forum is inflexible and static, its interface is totally the mercy
of the script used and site admin.

> since we have to receive
> all messages instead of subscribing to or browsing the
> categories or threads in which we are interested.)

No, you don't.  You can simply send a message to the list and request to
be CC:d on replies.  You needn't subscribe and receive everything.

Brian

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Re: Running fontforge.exe does nothing

[David Spector]

Dave and Ralph,

Thanks for your quick responses and help.

That did it. I can now run fontforge. Thanks again!

(Surely cygwin packaging could have been done similar 
to the Make model so a single "install the latest 
fontforge" command would automatically install cygwin, 
x windows, and all necessary libraries, with nothing 
unnecesary? It seems weird to have to spend hours of 
realtime to get the advice necessary to get an 
ordinary program running, not to mention having to use 
two different diagnostic tools, cygcheck and the 
module search page.)


David


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Re: Running fontforge.exe does nothing

[Ralph Hempel]

David Spector wrote:

(I won't waste space including your message of June 24, 2008 1:40 PM, 
since it's in the archive. Why does cygwin use the mailing list 
approach, instead of an online forum? Seems awkward, since we have to 
receive all messages instead of subscribing to or browsing the 
categories or threads in which we are interested.)


That's funny, I feel the same way about browsing messages
on forums :-)

Whenever I have a chioce, I use email instead of forums precicely
because I get all the messages, I can sort them or ignore them
as I choose, and I don't need to waste time with a clumsy
web based reader that throws ads in as well...

Ralph

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RE: Running fontforge.exe does nothing

[Dave Korn]

David Spector wrote on 25 June 2008 00:37:

> I'm having trouble using setup.exe. It seems to want
> to download all sorts of software I'm not interested
> in by default. Example: ghostscript, which I already
> have installed under Windows.
> 
> I can't find any way to install only the libpng12 and
> libxml2 packages without having to expand then check
> and uncheck hundreds of individual entries.
> 
> Is there a shortcut way of setting all the checkboxes
> to "don't download", so I can just download these two
> packages?

  Yep: see the radio buttons at the top of the package chooser?  Click
"Keep".

> (I won't waste space including your message of June
> 24, 2008 1:40 PM, since it's in the archive. Why does
> cygwin use the mailing list approach, instead of an
> online forum? Seems awkward, since we have to receive
> all messages instead of subscribing to or browsing the
> categories or threads in which we are interested.)

  Lack of demand, really.  There's always gmane and nabble for those who
want an alternative interface.

cheers,
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Re: Running fontforge.exe does nothing

[David Spector]

Dave,

Thanks for your quick and helpful response. As you 
requested, I'll keep this discussion on the list.


I'm having trouble using setup.exe. It seems to want 
to download all sorts of software I'm not interested 
in by default. Example: ghostscript, which I already 
have installed under Windows.


I can't find any way to install only the libpng12 and 
libxml2 packages without having to expand then check 
and uncheck hundreds of individual entries.


Is there a shortcut way of setting all the checkboxes 
to "don't download", so I can just download these two 
packages?


(I won't waste space including your message of June 
24, 2008 1:40 PM, since it's in the archive. Why does 
cygwin use the mailing list approach, instead of an 
online forum? Seems awkward, since we have to receive 
all messages instead of subscribing to or browsing the 
categories or threads in which we are interested.)


David


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emacs and error emacs: Terminal type cygwin is not defined.

[Noah]

Hi there,

how do I easily cure this problem?

bash-2.03$ emacs -nw my_filename
emacs: Terminal type cygwin is not defined.
If that is not the actual type of terminal you have,
use the Bourne shell command `TERM=... export TERM' (C-shell:
`setenv TERM ...') to specify the correct type.  It may be necessary
to do `unset TERMINFO' (C-shell: `unsetenv TERMINFO') as well.

Cheers,

Noah

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ggi terminal for gnuplot

[Peter Rosin]

Hi!

I noticed the following in the cygport file of gnuplot

# This gives parse errors
#  --with-ggi

and thought I'd have a look.

The cause is a type cleanup in libggi, and here's a patch to
make gnuplot follow.

Unfortunately the build is killed later by some tex config thing
that I don't have the energy to follow up on, so I have not
tested if this does anything useful other than fixing the first
ggi related build error. Since I don't know if there are more
problems later in the build I'm sending this anyway.

Another variant would be to build with GG_NEED_OLD_INTTYPES
defined, but I think the attached patch is a better approach.

Cheers,
Peter
--- gnuplot-4.2.3/term/ggi.trm.old  2008-06-25 00:02:24.951334700 +0200
+++ gnuplot-4.2.3/term/ggi.trm  2008-06-25 00:02:42.826509600 +0200
@@ -116,9 +116,9 @@
 } GGI_vertex_t;
 
 TERM_PUBLIC long int GGI_SetTime(const struct timeval* current);
-TERM_PUBLIC int GGI_from_keysym __PROTO((uint32 keysym));
-TERM_PUBLIC int GGI_from_button __PROTO((uint32 button));
-TERM_PUBLIC int GGI_y __PROTO((sint32 y));
+TERM_PUBLIC int GGI_from_keysym __PROTO((uint32_t keysym));
+TERM_PUBLIC int GGI_from_button __PROTO((uint32_t button));
+TERM_PUBLIC int GGI_y __PROTO((int32_t y));
 TERM_PUBLIC int GGI_dispatch_event __PROTO((const ggi_event* event));
 TERM_PUBLIC int GGI_eventually_update_modifiers __PROTO((const ggi_event* 
event, const int add));
 TERM_PUBLIC int GGI_waitforinput __PROTO((void));
@@ -645,7 +645,7 @@
 
 /* translate ggi keysym to gnuplot keysym */
 TERM_PUBLIC int
-GGI_from_keysym(uint32 keysym)
+GGI_from_keysym(uint32_t keysym)
 {
 switch (keysym) {
case GIIUC_BackSpace:
@@ -811,7 +811,7 @@
 }
 
 TERM_PUBLIC int
-GGI_from_button(uint32 button)
+GGI_from_button(uint32_t button)
 {
 switch (button) {
 case GII_PBUTTON_LEFT:
@@ -827,7 +827,7 @@
 }
 
 TERM_PUBLIC int
-GGI_y(sint32 y)
+GGI_y(int32_t y)
 {
 return GGIymax - y;
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RE: /etc/group

[Dave Korn]

Noah wrote on 24 June 2008 22:49:

> Hi there,
> 
> what package do I need to reinstall to get a proper /etc/group ?

  You don't, you run "mkgroup" (with appropriate options according to
whether you're in a domain or not etc.) and redirect the output to
/etc/group.  (Or don't, if you want to take a look at what it's going to do
before making any changes).

  See the details in the user guide:
http://www.cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using-utils.html#mkgroup
and the ntsec documentation for background:
http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/ntsec.html

cheers,
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/etc/group

[Noah]

Hi there,

what package do I need to reinstall to get a proper /etc/group ?

Cheers,

Noah

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Re: binutils: nm -C doesn't demangle?

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 01:56:37PM -0500, Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:
>In the previous version of binutils, nm -C removed the leading
>underscore from symbols.  AFAICS the current version no longer does
>this, which breaks certain things.  Is this intended, and if so, what
>is the workaround?

Test case?  I have certain things on my computer but apparently they
aren't the right certain things.

cgf

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[gold star] Re: md5sum using Cygwin in Windows

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 02:54:48PM -0400, Matt Wozniski wrote:
>On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Ben wrote:
>> md5sum ubutuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
>
>it's "ubuntu", not "ubutuntu", so it's not surprising it didn't work...

Yeah, boy is Cygwin unfriendly or what?  I mean how long have spell
checkers been around?

Can we get a gold star over here for the only person who noticed what
should have been obvious?

cgf

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binutils: nm -C doesn't demangle?

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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cgf,

In the previous version of binutils, nm -C removed the leading
underscore from symbols.  AFAICS the current version no longer does
this, which breaks certain things.  Is this intended, and if so, what is
the workaround?


Yaakov
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Re: md5sum using Cygwin in Windows

[Matt Wozniski]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Ben wrote:
> md5sum ubutuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso

it's "ubuntu", not "ubutuntu", so it's not surprising it didn't work...

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RE: Running fontforge.exe does nothing

[Dave "No, not that one" Korn]

David Spector wrote on 24 June 2008 13:42:

> Dave,
> 
> Thank you for your prompt and excellent response,
> which got lost somehow before I could see it in my
> incoming mail.

  NP, but can we keep this on the list please?  (See
http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PPIOSPE for a few good reasons why to keep
discussion threads in the open instead of private mail.  For a start,
someone else might have had time sooner than me to answer this question...)

> When I follow your instructions, I find the following
> missing DLLs:
> 
> cygpng12.dll and cygxml2-2.dll
> 
> The fact that these start with "cyg" might indicate
> that these are part of cygwin. 

  Absolutely so.  In order to find out what cygwin package contains any
given file, you plug its name into the search box at
http://cygwin.com/packages/.  Doing so tells us that cygpng12.dll is part of
the libpng12 package, and that cygxml2-2.dll is part of the libxml2 package.

> Since I downloaded
> cygwin from the official site (or one of its mirrors)
> and followed the installation instructions, I have no
> idea what to do next. Any suggestions would be
> welcome.

  You'll need to re-run setup.exe just like you did when you followed the
fontforge install instructions (assuming you referred to
http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ms-install.html), only this time select the
libpng12 and libxml2 packges.  They'll both be in the Libs category, rather
than the X11 category that you were told to look under last time.

> BTW, are you the famous David Korn who developed the
> Unix Korn shell at Bell Labs?

  :)  Get asked that a lot.  I refer you to my "From:" line!


cheers,
  DaveK
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Re: setup.exe needs package name selection filter

[Hugh Sasse]

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:16:06PM +0100, Hugh Sasse wrote:
> >So would you prefer that I NOT suggest a patch to 
> >.
> >to draw people's attention to the existing Bugzilla?
> 
> The contrib.html page has nothing to do with setup.
> 
> If this information is important it should go on the setup web page.

Reini Urban doesn't want the bugzilla stuff on there, so I'm letting
the matter rest, because I don't have anything else practical to
contribute at the moment.  Thanks for the discussion, it's helped me
see things in a wider perspective.  I think some of the social
problems scale horribly with the whole internet, and there aren't
the tools to cope yet.

> 
> cgf
> 
Thank you,
Hugh

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Re: pangp

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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d.henman wrote:
| Regardless, make still prematurely terminates due to errors.
|
| Why is the pango build code trying to incorporate win32, when it is
not in cairo?

Did you ever delete the cairo-win32 headers and pkg-config file?


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Re: pangp

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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d.henman wrote:
| Yes, Dave is right here.  His idea gives a way to building a
multi-capable pango.

Pango is always multi-capable, but cairo (and hence PangoCairo) cannot
be both Win32 and X11.  Simple as that.

| YO, the configuration result is:
| Cairo is configured and built with:--with-x
|
| So is Pango, in which its configuration script upon completion outputs:
| configuration:backends: Cairo Win32 FreeType X
|
| Note, that is has Cairo, Win32, FreeType, and Win32 as backends.

Yes, so do my pango builds.  The question here is solely which *cairo*
you are using.

| So what you probably meant, when you said "was cairo built, explicitly
exluding win32"... Which is probably neceesaary right?

That's the only way to build an X11 cairo on Cygwin.

| Well, the YO, is wrong here
| "pango-1.21.3" was not gotten fron SVN's trunk.
| Is is a newly released version.  Not a release candidate, but a public
release.

GNOME uses the linux-kernel versioning system; odd-numbered minor
versions are *development* releases, and is hence a snapshot from trunk.
~ The fact that it's been released as a tarball is irrelevant.  The
release announcement for 1.21 mentions this all quite clearly.


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Re: pangp

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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d.henman wrote:
| What version of pango are you talking about?

I've been building cairo since 1.0.x *at least*, and these options have
not changed.

| Doesn't using the configure option for cairo of "--with-x" build the
X11 cairo?

Actually you need "--enable-xlib --disable-win32".


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Re: pango solution

[Yaakov (Cygwin Ports)]

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d.henman wrote:
| case "$host" in
| #  *-*-mingw*|*-*-cygwin*) have_win32=true ;;  changed from this
|   *-*-mingw*) have_win32=true ;; <--- to this
| esac
|
| otherwise it will require win32 code to be built, and cairo was not
build for it.

This is incorrect.  have_win32 does two things:
1) adds -lgdi32 to the PangoWin32 backend LIBADD, which builds fine on
cygwin, although it's practically unused;
2) checks for the Win32 Cairo backend, and if present, specifies that
Cairo is Win32-based and hence so should be PangoCairo.  But this fails
later due to the -export-symbols-regex flag, as you found out.

By making your change, pango would fail to detect cairo-win32.

But this all really begs the question, why are you trying to build a
*Win32* GTK+ on Cygwin?


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Re: setup.exe needs package name selection filter

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:16:06PM +0100, Hugh Sasse wrote:
>So would you prefer that I NOT suggest a patch to 
>.
>to draw people's attention to the existing Bugzilla?

The contrib.html page has nothing to do with setup.

If this information is important it should go on the setup web page.

cgf

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Re: pango solution

[d.henman]

Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Korn wrote:
> |   So, they're in the DLL itself, but for some reason not marked as exports
> | in the DEF file, and hence no available stubs for them in the import .a
> | library.
> 
> It's because of the -export-symbols-regex "^pango_.*" flag, hence
> _pango_* internal symbols aren't being exported.  This isn't supposed to
> be used when building a Win32 Pango, as you'll see from the configure.in
> where this flag is declared; now you know why.

Even when built with "--disable-win32"  it still required win32 libs be built

> ...
> I can attest that there are no issues building pango with the X11 cairo.
Your attestation is wrong for pango-1.21.3.

I found the problem.

It is in the configuration file. After making two slight changes it build fine.
It's possible that only one change was necessary, but I'm tired now and will 
leave it
to go on to build gtk+-2.12.10.

For those interesting in building pango-1.21.3, the changes necesaary where 
both of the same type simply involves deleting "|*-*cygwin**" from the two case 
statements.

configure file line # 20052
   line # 22054


case "$host" in
#  *-*-mingw*|*-*-cygwin*) have_win32=true ;;  changed from this
  *-*-mingw*) have_win32=true ;;   <--- to this
esac

otherwise it will require win32 code to be built, and cairo was not build for 
it.


Regards,
  Henman




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Re: cygwin 1.7 problems: network, path, file system

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Jun 24 13:52, Thomas Wolff wrote:
> Device Type: 7
> Characteristics: 10
> FileFsObjectIdInformation failed, c00d
> Volume Name: 
> Serial Number  : 2651466048
> Max Filenamelength : 255
> Filesystemname : 
> Flags  : 2
>   FILE_CASE_SENSITIVE_SEARCH  : FALSE
>   FILE_CASE_PRESERVED_NAMES   : TRUE
>   FILE_UNICODE_ON_DISK: FALSE
>   FILE_PERSISTENT_ACLS: FALSE
>   FILE_FILE_COMPRESSION   : FALSE
>   FILE_VOLUME_QUOTAS  : FALSE
>   FILE_SUPPORTS_SPARSE_FILES  : FALSE
>   FILE_SUPPORTS_REPARSE_POINTS: FALSE
>   FILE_SUPPORTS_REMOTE_STORAGE: FALSE
>   FILE_VOLUME_IS_COMPRESSED   : FALSE
>   FILE_SUPPORTS_OBJECT_IDS: FALSE
>   FILE_SUPPORTS_ENCRYPTION: FALSE
>   FILE_NAMED_STREAMS  : FALSE
>   FILE_READ_ONLY_VOLUME   : FALSE
>   FILE_SEQUENTIAL_WRITE_ONCE  : FALSE
>   FILE_SUPPORTS_TRANSACTIONS  : FALSE

Thanks.  So it won't be treated like the MS NFS client, that's good news.
Rather, it will be treated like FAT (in 1.5 and 1.7), which is the safest
fallback.

Anyway, that doesn't help with your copy problem.  This can't be solved
without more details (when, how, debug output, the usual routine).

> > > rlogin does not work anymore; it just hangs.
> > > 
> Any idea about this?

Yes, that's a bug in the current 1.7.  I'll fix it.

> > > --
> > > Path problems
> > > 
> > > 
> > > rsh does not work anymore:
> > >   - complains about missing /usr/bin/rlogin (which has moved to /bin)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > man does not work anymore:
> > > sh: /usr/bin/tbl: No such file or directory
> > > sh: /usr/bin/nroff: No such file or directory
> > > (I wonder why man tries to invoke these using absolute pathnames...)
> > 
> > fstab problem, probably.  Works for me.
> I don't see how fstab should be related to these path problems. Maybe your 
> comment 
> refers to the above?

No.  In 1.5 you have registry mount points which point from /usr/bin to the
underlying Win32 path.  1.7 uses an fstab file.  SInce you don't have an
fstab file, you don't have the /usr/bin and /usr/lib mount points.  I wrote
in my first reply how to fix this.


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RE: Running fontforge.exe does nothing

[Dave Korn]

David Spector wrote on 24 June 2008 12:49:

> Does anyone have an idea of what I could have done
> wrong?

  Failing to notice when I answered this question yesterday?  ;-)

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2008-06/msg00443.html


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Re: cygwin 1.7 problems: network, path, file system

[Thomas Wolff]

> Thomas, ping?
Sorry. (Somehow I don't seem to be receiving this mailing list anymore, have to 
check.)


> On Jun 18 11:27, Thomas Wolff wrote:
> > Hello, I had a number of problems with cygwin 1.7:
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Network problems
> > 
> > 
> > No /etc/fstab - this has been discussed in other mails, but I am mentioning 
> > it 
> This is not a general problem, just in your installation.  Did you use a
> snapshot in a 1.5 environment?  If so, you have to create your
> /etc/fstab files manually, or, you have to fetch the base-cygwin package
> from the release-2 area to create /etc/fstab and /etc/fstab.d/$USER from
> your current mount points in the registry.  When installing from scratch
> from the release-2 area, you get the package for free.
> 
> > as I am having other network problems too:
> > 
> > I cannot copy to a Hummingbird-nfs-mounted device anymore.
> > This is when mounting with nfs link X: ...; file browsing and opening 
> > works, 
> > just not create/copy.
> > With Windows mount (net use X: ...) everything works (but I don't like that 
> > mount because it works with fixed file permissions only).
> 
> I don't have hummingbird NFS installed, just Microsoft's NFS from SFU
> resp. the default NFS clients built in to Vista and 2008.  Works fine
> for me.  There's code in Cygwin 1.7 to work with these NFS clients, see
> http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-developers/2008-05/msg00029.html I have no
> idea how hummingbird NFS works.  If you want support for this NFS
> client, Cygwin needs code from you.  For a start, please build the
> attached source code and run it with the path to the drive, like this:
> 
>   $ gcc -g -o GetVolInfo GetVolInfo.c -lntdll
>   $ ./GetVolInfo /cygdrive/x
> or
>   $ GetVolInfo x:/
> 
> Paste the output in your reply.

Device Type: 7
Characteristics: 10
FileFsObjectIdInformation failed, c00d
Volume Name: 
Serial Number  : 2651466048
Max Filenamelength : 255
Filesystemname : 
Flags  : 2
  FILE_CASE_SENSITIVE_SEARCH  : FALSE
  FILE_CASE_PRESERVED_NAMES   : TRUE
  FILE_UNICODE_ON_DISK: FALSE
  FILE_PERSISTENT_ACLS: FALSE
  FILE_FILE_COMPRESSION   : FALSE
  FILE_VOLUME_QUOTAS  : FALSE
  FILE_SUPPORTS_SPARSE_FILES  : FALSE
  FILE_SUPPORTS_REPARSE_POINTS: FALSE
  FILE_SUPPORTS_REMOTE_STORAGE: FALSE
  FILE_VOLUME_IS_COMPRESSED   : FALSE
  FILE_SUPPORTS_OBJECT_IDS: FALSE
  FILE_SUPPORTS_ENCRYPTION: FALSE
  FILE_NAMED_STREAMS  : FALSE
  FILE_READ_ONLY_VOLUME   : FALSE
  FILE_SEQUENTIAL_WRITE_ONCE  : FALSE
  FILE_SUPPORTS_TRANSACTIONS  : FALSE


> > rlogin does not work anymore; it just hangs.
> > 
Any idea about this?


> > --
> > Path problems
> > 
> > 
> > rsh does not work anymore:
> > - complains about missing /usr/bin/rlogin (which has moved to /bin)
> > 
> > 
> > man does not work anymore:
> > sh: /usr/bin/tbl: No such file or directory
> > sh: /usr/bin/nroff: No such file or directory
> > (I wonder why man tries to invoke these using absolute pathnames...)
> 
> fstab problem, probably.  Works for me.
I don't see how fstab should be related to these path problems. Maybe your 
comment 
refers to the above? (Maybe I should have split the problems into different 
issues anyway...)
Actually, looking again, I see with 1.5 (and no fstab which did not reappear 
when I 
reverted), there is this kind of double mount or re-mount which effectively 
maps /usr/bin 
to /bin. I had wondered about the purpose of this before. Is it good to use 
this trick 
to fix situations where programs (like rsh) refer to /usr/bin to get them find 
their 
sub-programs in /bin? Wouldn't it be better to install those applications (tbl, 
nroff, ...) 
in /usr/bin in the first place (I see that's where they are on my Linux)?


> > --
> > File system problem (weird)
> > 
> > 
> > I had a shell script "x." which mysteriously was renamed to "x" after the 
> > update.
> > I could rename it back to "x.", though.
> 
> Files with trailing dots (or spaces) are not supported by native Windows
> apps and, FWIW, by Cygwin 1.5.  Since Cygwin 1.7 uses native NT
> functions for file access exclusively, this restriction doesn't apply to
> 1.7 anymore.  I can't reproduce any problems with 1.7 with such files,
> and the 1.5 behaviour is normal and expected sice the underlying Win32
> functions can't handle these files.  How and what should have
> mysteriously renamed the file in the first place beats me.
> 
> > After I reverted to cygwin 1.5 (for network problems described above), 
> > the file is not available anymore; it appears in ls -l as follows:
> > ??? ? ?  ? ?? x.
> > and is not accessible by either "x." or "x" from either cygwin or Windows.
> > (Since I cannot create another "y." now, I am not sure how I originally 
> > created the "x." file, 
> > but it had been there and I regularly called it as "x." on the command 
> > lin

Running fontforge.exe does nothing

[David Spector]

Hi.

I've installed the latest cygwin on my Windows XP Home
system named "SYS3", and it appears to run perfectly.
I have plenty of disk and memory space.

www.springtimesoftware.com/ff-screen02.JPG shows the
result of typing xinit. (Typing startx is similar for
me, except that the created X window is smaller.)

I installed the latest fontforge, following the
official instructions.

When I run fontforge in the X window, nothing happens.
www.springtimesoftware.com/ff-screen01.JPG shows this.
As you can see, there is no error message. (I would
have thought this was a fontforge question, but I was
asked to post it here.)

Does anyone have an idea of what I could have done
wrong?

I should say I know next to nothing about cygwin,
fontforge, or Linux. I'm only interested in running
fontforge, which requires cygwin. I believe lots of
people do run fontforge on Windows, so an answer may
be relevant to people other than myself.

David


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Re: setup.exe needs package name selection filter

[Reini Urban]

Hugh Sasse schrieb:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Reini Urban wrote:


Hugh Sasse schrieb:

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Christopher Faylor wrote:

[...]

set?  Were I in this position, I'd rather not have to trawl the mail
archives.  That's the only mechanism suggested at
.

[...]

Would you accept patches to the contrib page that suggested the use
of the existing bugzilla as a resource?  If so, then I'd like to add a table
of contents and re-order things a bit as well.


is going to change that or convince a small team of busy developers to
do your bidding.

We already have the setup bugzilla in operation.
I am responsible for incoming tickets, most of them are spam, and trigger the
developers if there's some update.

It's additional work and in most of the cases not needed, but in some cases it
might be useful.


So would you prefer that I NOT suggest a patch to 
.

to draw people's attention to the existing Bugzilla?


The bugzilla is just an internal tool for the developers.
We don't need additional attention there.
The proper proposal and discussion is via the cygwin-apps@ list.

Anecdote: perl5 and postgresql development still works only via 
discussion and patches to the mailinglists. There's no tracker

at all.


Else, if you'd like a patch, to whom should I send it?


As explained in the contrib guideline. To cygwin-apps@ of course.


The current -p patch is at
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=6688

The name selection filter suggestion not yet.

And it would be good if the setup.exe suggestion/reports would be posted to
the right list, which is cygwin-apps, not cygwin!


I could try and work something in to a patch for contrib.html
about that, if it is desired.


I rather tend to ignore it here.


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Re: setup.exe needs package name selection filter

[Hugh Sasse]

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Reini Urban wrote:

> Hugh Sasse schrieb:
> > On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Christopher Faylor wrote:
[...]
> > set?  Were I in this position, I'd rather not have to trawl the mail
> > archives.  That's the only mechanism suggested at
> > .
[...]
> > Would you accept patches to the contrib page that suggested the use
> > of the existing bugzilla as a resource?  If so, then I'd like to add a table
> > of contents and re-order things a bit as well.
> > 
> > > is going to change that or convince a small team of busy developers to
> > > do your bidding.
> 
> We already have the setup bugzilla in operation.
> I am responsible for incoming tickets, most of them are spam, and trigger the
> developers if there's some update.
> 
> It's additional work and in most of the cases not needed, but in some cases it
> might be useful.

So would you prefer that I NOT suggest a patch to 
.
to draw people's attention to the existing Bugzilla?

Else, if you'd like a patch, to whom should I send it?
> 
> The current -p patch is at
> http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=6688
> 
> The name selection filter suggestion not yet.
> 
> And it would be good if the setup.exe suggestion/reports would be posted to
> the right list, which is cygwin-apps, not cygwin!

I could try and work something in to a patch for contrib.html
about that, if it is desired.

> I rather tend to ignore it here.

Understandably.
Thank you
Hugh


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Re: cygwin 1.7 problems: network, path, file system

[Corinna Vinschen]

Thomas, ping?

On Jun 18 12:53, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> I don't have hummingbird NFS installed, just Microsoft's NFS from SFU
> resp. the default NFS clients built in to Vista and 2008.  Works fine
> for me.  There's code in Cygwin 1.7 to work with these NFS clients, see
> http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-developers/2008-05/msg00029.html I have no
> idea how hummingbird NFS works.  If you want support for this NFS
> client, Cygwin needs code from you.  For a start, please build the
  ^^
  Alternatively developer documentation from.  Hummingbird.  I don't
  know if they have opened their API, but as a customer you should get
  some information.

> attached source code and run it with the path to the drive, like this:
> 
>   $ gcc -g -o GetVolInfo GetVolInfo.c -lntdll
>   $ ./GetVolInfo /cygdrive/x
> or
>   $ GetVolInfo x:/
> 
> Paste the output in your reply.

This is still a first step I'm interested in...


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Re: setup.exe needs package name selection filter

[Reini Urban]

Hugh Sasse schrieb:

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Christopher Faylor wrote:

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:49:21PM -0400, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote:

Mark J. Reed wrote:

[...]

Actually, it already exists:
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=cygwin .

But I don't know how often setup.exe developers check it.


Maybe a mail to this list could be triggered by it?  Then you'd get
stuff in the mail archive where developers traditionally expect it, but
you'd also have something more searchable.  [Sorry, that's a suggestion
with no supplied implementation, but I've never looked at bugzilla code.]

I don't know what adding a bugzilla entry with an RFE for search inside
of setup.exe is going to accomplish given that no one is a programmer
and, if they are a programmer, they don't implicitly understand the
setup code base however.


If that's in response to my comments, I believe you have inflated
them: it is not that *nobody* is a programmer, it is that *many* of
the users are not.  But, yes, this is a weaker form of help than
getting dedicated programmers.

[...]

Should we be spending a lot of time educating people about this so that
they can give ever-more-informed suggestions without ever stepping up to
help?


Clearly not a lot of time, and yes there are diminishing returns.

The thing that never seems to be understood in these merry-go-round
discussions is that very few of us are insightful geniuses who have
innovative new ideas for improving setup.exe.  The suggestions are
by-and-large obvious.  In general, the developers have all of these
ideas and more, if for no other reason, than they've been here longer
and have been thinking about the problem at some depth.


True, there are a severe lack of geniuses. But there are people who,
because they are not programmers, have spent their time gaining
expertise in design and in human factors, who could make useful
suggestions.  Closing the discussion off to only developers excludes
them.  Also, this feels a little bit like the argument apocryphally
made at the end of the 19th century, that soon the patent office
would have to close "because everything has been invented". ;-)
Lateral thinking developed partly because sometimes being outside
the problem gives you a perspective that those inside it don't have.


So, why isn't setup.exe better?  It in't because we stubbornly don't
like to make changes.  It is because no one has the time or inclination
to put man months of effort into introducing new functionality.

In projects which have a healthy number of developers, getting people to
do work is an issue of finding someone with an itch to scratch.  In


Principally, yes, but that isn't the whole story, see below.
[...]

Predictions of doom because suggestions aren't warmly received and vowed
to be acted upon miss several points.  The project doesn't succeed
because Anissa-Random-User decides to grace us with a suggestion.  It
succeeds because people find it useful.


They won't find it at all if her one unique suggestion is excluded
by the process.  The real problem here, is how to keep the good suggestions
while throwing out the rubbish.  It's not easy to solve.  Other
GNU projects find Bugzilla useful, and I think that would be a step
in a useful direction. [It may well only be "hill climbing", so we
reach a local, rather than a global, optimum.]

A project really flourishes when there are enough developers to keep the
project running.  Cygwin has that just barely.  No amount of indignation


Yes.  So let's turn the problem around.  A new programmer turns up,
with no particular thing they want to fix.  They just want to give
something back to Cygwin.  This does happen, people get blocks of
time they don't expect occasionally.  How will they find a list of
problems worth tackling, against which they can match their skill
set?  Were I in this position, I'd rather not have to trawl the mail
archives.  That's the only mechanism suggested at
.

Would you agree that if what is wanted is more development effort,
then it should be made as easy as possible for developers to get
started?

Would you accept patches to the contrib page that suggested the use
of the existing bugzilla as a resource?  If so, then I'd like to 
add a table of contents and re-order things a bit as well.



is going to change that or convince a small team of busy developers to
do your bidding.


We already have the setup bugzilla in operation.
I am responsible for incoming tickets, most of them are spam, and 
trigger the developers if there's some update.


It's additional work and in most of the cases not needed, but in some 
cases it might be useful.


The current -p patch is at
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=6688

The name selection filter suggestion not yet.

And it would be good if the setup.exe suggestion/reports would be posted 
to the right list, which is cygwin-apps, not cygwin!

I rather tend to ignore it here.

Re: pangp

[d.henman]

Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> .. snipped
> I can attest that there are no issues building pango with the X11 cairo.

No I configured cairo with:
 ./configure --with-x --enable-win32-font=no --enable-win32=no --disable-ps 
--disable-pdf --disable-svg --prefix=

cairo builds and installs fine this way.

Pango, configured with:
./configure LDFLAGS='-no-undefined' --with-x  --enable-win32-font=no 
--enable-win32=no --disable-ps --disable-pdf --disable-svg --prefix=

# the only option above that pango mentiones in ./configure --help is 
"--with-x".

Regardless, make still prematurely terminates due to errors.

Why is the pango build code trying to incorporate win32, when it is not in 
cairo?

(Still waiting to get Yaakov's two configuration options (two lines, one config 
line eac)  uses for (1) cairo and (2) pango. 

to wit:
 last lines of "make" output for pango 
/bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC   --mode=compile /usr/local/bin/gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H 
-I. -I.. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Pango\" -DPANGO_ENABLE_BACKEND -DPANGO_ENABLE_ENGINE 
-DSYSCONFDIR=\"/etc\" -DLIBDIR=\"/lib\" -I.. -DPANGO_ENABLE_DEBUG -D_REENTRANT 
-I/usr/include/g
lib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include-I/include/cairo 
-I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/include/pixman-1   
-I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/X11R6/include-g -O2 -Wall -MT 
libpangocairo_1_0_la-pangocairo-win32font.lo -MD -MP -MF 
.deps/libpangocairo_1_0_la-pangocairo-win32font.Tpo -c -o 
libpangocairo_1_0_la-pangocairo-win32font.lo `test -f 'pangocairo-win32font.c' 
|| echo './'`pangocairo-win32font.c
 /usr/local/bin/gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Pango\" 
-DPANGO_ENABLE_BACKEND -DPANGO_ENABLE_ENGINE -DSYSCONFDIR=\"/etc\" 
-DLIBDIR=\"/lib\" -I.. -DPANGO_ENABLE_DEBUG -D_REENTRANT 
-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/inclu
de/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/include/pixman-1 
-I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/X11R6/include -g -O2 -Wall -MT 
libpangocairo_1_0_la-pangocairo-win32font.lo -MD -MP -MF 
.deps/libpangocairo_1_0_la-pangocairo-win32font.Tpo -c p
angocairo-win32font.c  -DDLL_EXPORT -DPIC -o 
.libs/libpangocairo_1_0_la-pangocairo-win32font.o
In file included from pangocairo-win32font.c:33:
/include/cairo/cairo-win32.h:101:3: error: #error Cairo was not compiled with 
support for the win32 backend
pangocairo-win32font.c: In function 'pango_cairo_win32_font_create_font_face':
pangocairo-win32font.c:79: warning: implicit declaration of function 
'cairo_win32_font_face_create_for_logfontw'
pangocairo-win32font.c:79: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a 
cast
pangocairo-win32font.c: In function 
'pango_cairo_win32_font_create_metrics_for_context':
pangocairo-win32font.c:122: warning: passing argument 1 of 
'pango_cairo_font_get_scaled_font' from incompatible pointer type
pangocairo-win32font.c:125: warning: implicit declaration of function 
'cairo_win32_scaled_font_done_font'
pangocairo-win32font.c: In function 'pango_cairo_win32_font_select_font':
pangocairo-win32font.c:190: warning: implicit declaration of function 
'cairo_win32_scaled_font_select_font'
pangocairo-win32font.c: In function 'pango_cairo_win32_font_get_metrics_factor':
pangocairo-win32font.c:207: warning: implicit declaration of function 
'cairo_win32_scaled_font_get_metrics_factor'
make[4]: *** [libpangocairo_1_0_la-pangocairo-win32font.lo] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/pango/pango-1.21.3/pango'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/pango/pango-1.21.3/pango'
make[2]: *** [all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/pango/pango-1.21.3/pango'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/pango/pango-1.21.3'
make: *** [all] Error 2
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Re: Saving alias settings

[Marco Atzeri]

--- Thomas Wiedmann ha scritto:

> Hello,
> 
> how can alias settings be saved persistently in
> Cygwin
> 


> a) for the current user only

assuming you use Bash
modify .bashrc on your home directory

> b) for all users of the PC?

make/modify 
/etc/profile.d/alias.sh

the script in /etc/profile.d/
are executed for all the users

> Thanks for all good hints.
> 
> Thomas Wiedmann 

Bye
Marco



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Re: pangp

[d.henman]

Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Korn wrote:
> |   So, they're in the DLL itself, but for some reason not marked as exports
> | in the DEF file, and hence no available stubs for them in the import .a
> | library.

   Yes, Dave is right here.  His idea gives a way to building a multi-capable 
pango.

> It's because of the -export-symbols-regex "^pango_.*" flag, hence
> _pango_* internal symbols aren't being exported.
Well, YO, could have said that he manually, exluded win32 in the configuration.

>  This isn't supposed to
> be used when building a Win32 Pango, as you'll see from the configure.in
> where this flag is declared; now you know why.
Well Yaakov, you know why.  I expected cairo and pango built a configuration
of --with-x would be fine, and it should be.  You neglected to mention that it 
was trying to build a win32 and cygwin.dll version at the same time, which it 
can't, as far as I know.  So you explicity said to configure without win32.

You are mentioning something that is esoteric.
You mentioned below that...

> My questions are:
> 1) What is /usr/local/bin/gcc that the OP is using?
YO, the gcc version used in not relavant in this case.  I checked this.

> 2) Has the OP built cairo from sources with the Win32 backend instead of
> the X11 as in our distro?

YO, the configuration result is:
Cairo is configured and built with:--with-x

So is Pango, in which its configuration script upon completion outputs:
configuration:backends: Cairo Win32 FreeType X

Note, that is has Cairo, Win32, FreeType, and Win32 as backends.

Cairo builds these automatically.  

> I can attest that there are no issues building pango with the X11 cairo.
So what you probably meant, when you said "was cairo built, explicitly exluding 
win32"... Which is probably neceesaary right?

If you would please educate me as to just what arguments did you use,
when you "configure"d cairo and pango, I could verify your aforementioned
attestation.


 
> 1.21.3 is from SVN trunk; the latest upstream version is 1.20.3, also in
> Ports.  It's irrelevant though, as this flag has been used for years.
> 
> (Why isn't the distro Pango updated?  X11R7.)
> 
> Yaakov

Well, the YO, is wrong here
"pango-1.21.3" was not gotten fron SVN's trunk. 
Is is a newly released version.  Not a release candidate, but a public release.

See: http://www.pango.org/Download   and from there
 http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/pango/

You can also find it at: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/pango/1.21/
named appropriately as "LATEST-IS-1.21.316-Jun-2008..."


Regards,
  Henman

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