Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
That is great. Thanks for your patient. I have another question. Can the first field of fstab use relative path. I expect to make the cygwin portable, that is, i need to move it to somewhere esle without changing the fstab every time. If you are using Cygwin in portable mode (presumably on a stick or similar mobile device) there is a way to achieve what you want - but it is fiddly. I am guessing that Cygwin is mounted at the root of your device ie /bin, /etc, /usr, and all the rest are all located under d: or f: or g: or p: or whatever the device might turn out to be labelled as you move from one host machine to another host machine, and that you do not want the grief of having to identify the variant drivename every time and manually re-configure the line in /etc/fstab as f:/cygwin_1.7/usr/bin /usr/bin ntfs binary 0 0 or h:/cygwin_1.7/usr/bin /usr/bin ntfs binary 0 0 accordingly, as might be necessary. The way I do it (if_there_is_a_better_way_I_would_like_to_know_it) is to start portable Cygwin with a .cmd file (called go.cmd or something) that resides at the root of the device and starts with the lines @set DOS_CMD=%0 @set CWD=%CD% @set DN=%CWD:~0,2% @if (%DOS_CMD:~1,1%)==(:) set DN=%DOS_CMD:~0,2% @if (%DOS_CMD:~2,1%)==(:) set DN=%DOS_CMD:~1,2% All this is designed so that the variable DN (standing for drivename) is exactly D: or F: or G: or P: as appropriate, and the reason for the five lines is so that this identification is correctly made however you start Cygwin, whether by (i) typing go.cmd at the prompt in a Command Prompt window located at F: (ii) typing f:\go.cmd at the prompt in a Command Prompt window located somewhere else (iii) double clicking the go.cmd icon in Explorer (iv) using Start - Run - f:\go.cmd Yeah, I know, all that effort just so that DN accurately identifies the drivename, but it all has to be done BEFORE Cygwin is triggered. You can then go on, still in go.cmd, to say something like @%DN%\bin\echo %DN%/cygwin_1.7/usr/bin /usr/bin ntfs binary 0 0 %DN%\etc\fstab ... any other requirements ... %DN%\etc\fstab and then, FINALLY, start Cygwin with (well, in my case: your requirement might differ) @set SHELL=/bin/bash @set HOME=/home/user @%DN%\bin\rxvt Awfully sorry for long post. A fiddly way to get something rather simple, but it works in all of W98, XP, Vista and 7. And there are lots of other reasons (if you are running portable Cygwin off one device on any number of potential host machines) why you might want to use DN without having to discover it (or, in fact, even know it) each time. Fergus -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:37:58PM +0800, ??? wrote: The entry that you used in your previous mail was not correctly formatted. It should be something like: f:/cygwin_1.7/usr/bin /usr/bin ntfs binary 0 0 That is great. Thanks for your patient. I have another question. Can the first field of fstab use relative path. That's one of those Why not just try it questions but the answer is no. How could that possibly work? I expect to make the cygwin portable, that is, i need to move it to somewhere esle without changing the fstab every time. In that case, you should just rely on the fact that Cygwin sets / relative to where cygwin1.dll lives and not mess with fstab at all. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
That's one of those Why not just try it questions but the answer is no. How could that possibly work? Thanks. I have tried it. I think it is possible. The relative path can be convented the absolute path according to where cygwin1.dll lives. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
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Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
tianlijian wrote: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly? Lots of things won't work without that mount. I advise not to tamper with it. cheers, DaveK -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
I use a older version of 1.7, which do not mount `/bin', `/usr/bin' automatically. It works well. On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Dave Korn dave.korn.cyg...@googlemail.com wrote: tianlijian wrote: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly? Lots of things won't work without that mount. I advise not to tamper with it. cheers, DaveK -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
On 09/22/2009 11:01 AM, tianlijian wrote: I use a older version of 1.7, which do not mount `/bin', `/usr/bin' automatically. It works well. Why do you care what Cygwin requires here? Are you having a problem? -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
tianlijian wrote: I use a older version of 1.7, which do not mount `/bin', `/usr/bin' automatically. Something must have gone wrong with creating fstab during the upgrade I guess, it should have been done. It works well. What happens when a shell script begins #!/bin/sh? Alternatively, what happens when a shell script begins #!/usr/bin/sh? I would expect one of those two to fail. cheers, DaveK -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
I want to put thd command according to filesytem hierarchy standard, that is putting the cmd such as sh in /bin, and env in /usr/bin/. On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 23:06, Larry Hall (Cygwin) reply-to-list-only...@cygwin.com wrote: On 09/22/2009 11:01 AM, tianlijian wrote: I use a older version of 1.7, which do not mount `/bin', `/usr/bin' automatically. It works well. Why do you care what Cygwin requires here? Are you having a problem? -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
On 09/22/2009 11:30 AM, ︶ㄣ無名氏 wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 23:06, Larry Hall (Cygwin) reply-to-list-only-lh... wrote: ^ http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR. Thanks. On 09/22/2009 11:01 AM, tianlijian wrote: I use a older version of 1.7, which do not mount `/bin', `/usr/bin' automatically. It works well. Why do you care what Cygwin requires here? Are you having a problem? I want to put thd command according to filesytem hierarchy standard, that is putting the cmd such as sh in /bin, and env in /usr/bin/. Ah, OK. I understand your goal. However, with Cygwin, there is really no difference in the two directories, which is why one is mounted to the other. While you are free to change this, it will be a non-standard configuration and any problem you encounter as a result won't be supported by this list. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
Thanks. I want to know how to change this configuration. I do as follows: bash-3.2$ /bin/umount /usr/bin umount: /usr/bin: Operation not permitted but i does not work. Any idea? On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 23:40, Larry Hall (Cygwin) reply-to-list-only...@cygwin.com wrote: On 09/22/2009 11:30 AM, ︶ㄣ無名氏 wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 23:06, Larry Hall (Cygwin) reply-to-list-only-lh... wrote: ^ http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR. Thanks. On 09/22/2009 11:01 AM, tianlijian wrote: I use a older version of 1.7, which do not mount `/bin', `/usr/bin' automatically. It works well. Why do you care what Cygwin requires here? Are you having a problem? I want to put thd command according to filesytem hierarchy standard, that is putting the cmd such as sh in /bin, and env in /usr/bin/. Ah, OK. I understand your goal. However, with Cygwin, there is really no difference in the two directories, which is why one is mounted to the other. While you are free to change this, it will be a non-standard configuration and any problem you encounter as a result won't be supported by this list. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
2009/9/22 ︶ㄣ無名氏: Thanks. I want to know how to change this configuration. I do as follows: bash-3.2$ /bin/umount /usr/bin umount: /usr/bin: Operation not permitted but i does not work. Any idea? /etc/fstab -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
Again, I'd ask that you http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR. I don't need the spam and others that respond to you also are likely to not want to see more. On 09/22/2009 12:11 PM, ︶ㄣ無名氏 wrote: Thanks. I want to know how to change this configuration. I do as follows: bash-3.2$ /bin/umount /usr/bin umount: /usr/bin: Operation not permitted but i does not work. Any idea? You won't be able to do this without changing some code internally. Cygwin 1.7 tries very hard to keep your installation consistent and valid. If you want something different, you'll need to undo the code that works to accomplish this. Off-hand, I don't recall where that code is. But since you can also look at the code (and recent changelogs :-) ), I expect you can locate it at least as quickly as I could. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:11:23AM +0800, ??? wrote: Thanks. I want to know how to change this configuration. I do as follows: bash-3.2$ /bin/umount /usr/bin umount: /usr/bin: Operation not permitted but i does not work. Any idea? If you want /usr/bin to point someplace nonstandard, try using the -f -o override options to mount. Note that, in Cygwin 1.7 mount is not permanent. You'll have to change /etc/fstab if you want permanent mounts. I can't think of any way to keep /usr/bin permanently unmounted. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
I have try the command: $ mount -f -o binary,user 'f:\cygwin_1.7\usr\bin\' /usr/bin mount: /usr/bin: Operation not permitted The -f option does not work well. I have alse add this line to fstab: ntfs f:\cygwin_1.7\usr\bin\ /usr/bin binary,user 0 0 It fails, too. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 00:34, Christopher Faylor . wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:11:23AM +0800, ??? wrote: Thanks. I want to know how to change this configuration. I do as follows: bash-3.2$ /bin/umount /usr/bin umount: /usr/bin: Operation not permitted but i does not work. Any idea? If you want /usr/bin to point someplace nonstandard, try using the -f -o override options to mount. Note that, in Cygwin 1.7 mount is not permanent. You'll have to change /etc/fstab if you want permanent mounts. I can't think of any way to keep /usr/bin permanently unmounted. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:09:06AM +0800, ??? wrote: I have try the command: $ mount -f -o binary,user 'f:\cygwin_1.7\usr\bin\' /usr/bin mount: /usr/bin: Operation not permitted The -f option does not work well. You really do need the -o override option that I mentioned. See: http://cygwin.com/1.7/cygwin-ug-net/using-utils.html#mount cgf On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 00:34, Christopher Faylor . wrote: If you want /usr/bin to point someplace nonstandard, try using the -f -o override options to mount. ??Note that, in Cygwin 1.7 mount is not permanent. You'll have to change /etc/fstab if you want permanent mounts. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
$ mount -f -o override 'f:\cygwin_1.7\usr\bin\' /usr/bin mount: /usr/bin: Operation not permitted I have used the `override' option, but the error occurs again. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:21, Christopher Faylor cgf-use-the-mailinglist-ple...@cygwin.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:09:06AM +0800, ??? wrote: I have try the command: $ mount -f -o binary,user 'f:\cygwin_1.7\usr\bin\' /usr/bin mount: /usr/bin: Operation not permitted The -f option does not work well. You really do need the -o override option that I mentioned. See: http://cygwin.com/1.7/cygwin-ug-net/using-utils.html#mount cgf On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 00:34, Christopher Faylor . wrote: If you want /usr/bin to point someplace nonstandard, try using the -f -o override options to mount. ??Note that, in Cygwin 1.7 mount is not permanent. You'll have to change /etc/fstab if you want permanent mounts. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:36:13AM +0800, ??? wrote: $ mount -f -o override 'f:\cygwin_1.7\usr\bin\' /usr/bin mount: /usr/bin: Operation not permitted I have used the `override' option, but the error occurs again. Sorry for the misinformation. You need to add an entry for /usr/bin to /etc/fstab if you want to override it. And, on checking the code that I wrote and didn't remember, you don't have to use the override option. The entry that you used in your previous mail was not correctly formatted. It should be something like: f:/cygwin_1.7/usr/bin /usr/bin ntfs binary 0 0 cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: how to let cygwin does not mount /bin /usr/bin automaticlly?
The entry that you used in your previous mail was not correctly formatted. It should be something like: f:/cygwin_1.7/usr/bin /usr/bin ntfs binary 0 0 That is great. Thanks for your patient. I have another question. Can the first field of fstab use relative path. I expect to make the cygwin portable, that is, i need to move it to somewhere esle without changing the fstab every time. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
/bin /usr/bin
Peter Rosin wrote: Den 2009-02-07 00:37 skrev Lee D.Rothstein: First, PATH must include the Windows path of the /bin, where typically both mintty.exe and cygwin1.dll' will be found. Remember, this is a Here, I think I have the path right, since, the Windows equivalent of '/bin' is 'c:\Cygwin\bin', which means I don't understand the following comment at all: My (minor) point was that from the mintty point of view, the fact that /bin and /usr/bin are equivalent is a coincidence - it's a Cygwin quirk. Since mintty installs in /usr/bin, Not on my Vista 64b System! Everything is in /bin, (c:\_r\bin) NOTHING is in /usr/bin. (c:\_r\usr\bin). I thought, I had remembered that, in prior systems almost the reverse was true, but I checked before I wrote the last reply (and checked again, just now). As everyone has implied, all items in /bin, are accessible through /usr/bin. Is my system different? Why? Pilot error? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: /bin /usr/bin
Lee D. Rothstein wrote: Peter Rosin wrote: Den 2009-02-07 00:37 skrev Lee D.Rothstein: First, PATH must include the Windows path of the /bin, where typically both mintty.exe and cygwin1.dll' will be found. Remember, this is a Here, I think I have the path right, since, the Windows equivalent of '/bin' is 'c:\Cygwin\bin', which means I don't understand the following comment at all: My (minor) point was that from the mintty point of view, the fact that /bin and /usr/bin are equivalent is a coincidence - it's a Cygwin quirk. Since mintty installs in /usr/bin, Not on my Vista 64b System! Everything is in /bin, (c:\_r\bin) NOTHING is in /usr/bin. (c:\_r\usr\bin). I thought, I had remembered that, in prior systems almost the reverse was true, but I checked before I wrote the last reply (and checked again, just now). As everyone has implied, all items in /bin, are accessible through /usr/bin. Is my system different? Why? Pilot error? No. In a default installation, there will be a 'C:\usr\bin' and a 'C:\usr\lib' that are empty as far as Windows is concerned. 'C:\bin' and 'C:\lib' are mounted to these directories, respectively, so that they are equivalent in the Cygwin environment. See the output of 'mount' for further clarification. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
Op Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:32:30 +0100 schreef Max Bowsher in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: : Christopher Faylor wrote: [...] : The FHS dictates no subdirectories in /usr/bin and I think it's a good : rule. Program specific subdirectories belong in /usr/lib. : : ... : : Why didn't rpm just put its binaries in /usr/bin/rpm? Why didn't qt put : them in /usr/bin/qt? Regardless of the reason, they put their packages : in /usr/lib. So should you. : : OK, I'll use /usr/lib. : : Though the FHS actually permits subdirs of /usr/bin, even defining the : meaning of one subdir, /usr/bin/mh ...as an option, and it may also be a symlink (The following directories, or symbolic links to directories, must be in /usr/bin, if the corresponding subsystem is installed) : http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRBINMOSTUSERCOMMANDS It /does/ require: /usr/bin/X11 must be a symlink to /usr/X11R6/bin if the latter exists. The latter *does* exist. The former _does not_. [Heads up X11-maintainer? (Same is true for /usr/lib/X11 - /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 and /usr/include/X11 - /usr/X11R6/include/X11 url:http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRX11R6XWINDOWSYSTEMVERSION11REL )] However, in http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#REQUIREMENTS2 it clearly states: There must be no subdirectories in /bin. It does not forbid symlinks to dirs AFAICS... L8r, Buzz. -- ) | | ---/ ---/ Yes, this | This message consists of true | I do not -- | | // really is | and false bits entirely.| mail for ) | | //a 72 by 4 +---+ any1 but -- \--| /--- /--- .sigfile. | |perl -pe s.u(z)\1.as.| me. 4^re
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
Christopher Faylor wrote: On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 12:02:59AM +0100, Max Bowsher wrote: My reluctance to do that is because the standard place to look for DLLs and programs on Cygwin is /usr/bin. I don't understand why, because they need to be in a subdirectory, they should transfer to the less obvious /usr/lib tree. The FHS dictates no subdirectories in /usr/bin and I think it's a good rule. Program specific subdirectories belong in /usr/lib. ... Why didn't rpm just put its binaries in /usr/bin/rpm? Why didn't qt put them in /usr/bin/qt? Regardless of the reason, they put their packages in /usr/lib. So should you. OK, I'll use /usr/lib. Though the FHS actually permits subdirs of /usr/bin, even defining the meaning of one subdir, /usr/bin/mh http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRBINMOSTUSERCOMMANDS Max.
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:32:30AM +0100, Max Bowsher wrote: Christopher Faylor wrote: On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 12:02:59AM +0100, Max Bowsher wrote: My reluctance to do that is because the standard place to look for DLLs and programs on Cygwin is /usr/bin. I don't understand why, because they need to be in a subdirectory, they should transfer to the less obvious /usr/lib tree. The FHS dictates no subdirectories in /usr/bin and I think it's a good rule. Program specific subdirectories belong in /usr/lib. ... Why didn't rpm just put its binaries in /usr/bin/rpm? Why didn't qt put them in /usr/bin/qt? Regardless of the reason, they put their packages in /usr/lib. So should you. OK, I'll use /usr/lib. Though the FHS actually permits subdirs of /usr/bin, even defining the meaning of one subdir, /usr/bin/mh http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRBINMOSTUSERCOMMANDS Hmm. I couldn't get through to pathname.com last night and relied on a secondary reference which stated in no uncertain terms that subdirectories should not be created. You just can't trust the internet... cgf
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 12:18:23AM +0100, Max Bowsher wrote: Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 02:08:55PM +0100, Max Bowsher wrote: I propose to relocate all the above into a directory /usr/bin/subversion, Sorry, no. /usr/bin is a flat structure. It does not contain subdirectories. What is the reason for this? I feel this specific case would be a sensible exception to the rule. Did you read the rest of this thread? Just mimic how other packages on linux do it. There is no need to invent a new way of doing this when there are already standard ways in existence. If you are using symlinks anyway, there is no reason why you need to create a directory in /usr/bin. cgf
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 02:08:55PM +0100, Max Bowsher wrote: I propose to relocate all the above into a directory /usr/bin/subversion, Sorry, no. /usr/bin is a flat structure. It does not contain subdirectories. What is the reason for this? I feel this specific case would be a sensible exception to the rule. Max.
RE: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
In order to be more Unix-like, /usr/bin does not have subdirectories. Look at the structure of Linux. I'm going to remove Windows Services for Unix and just use both Cygwin and Visual studio. Try and look into /usr/bin on Linux and see what Chris is talking about. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Max Bowsher Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 02:08:55PM +0100, Max Bowsher wrote: I propose to relocate all the above into a directory /usr/bin/subversion, Sorry, no. /usr/bin is a flat structure. It does not contain subdirectories. What is the reason for this? I feel this specific case would be a sensible exception to the rule. Max.
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
Robert McNulty Junior wrote: In order to be more Unix-like, /usr/bin does not have subdirectories. Look at the structure of Linux. I'm going to remove Windows Services for Unix and just use both Cygwin and Visual studio. Try and look into /usr/bin on Linux and see what Chris is talking about. I've not seen any statements that unix *cannot* have subdirs in /usr/bin. It generally doesn't, because to do so would defeat the mechanism of the PATH envvar. So, that really doesn't suggest that we shouldn't create subdirectories in /usr/bin where appropriate. I submit that it is appropriate in this case, because: * The problem I'm trying to solve requires that the cygsvn*.dll files not be in the same directory as python.exe * It is an established Cygwin standard that DLLs go in /usr/bin Therefore, a subdir in /usr/bin seems the best compromise of the above 2 points. Max. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Max Bowsher Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 02:08:55PM +0100, Max Bowsher wrote: I propose to relocate all the above into a directory /usr/bin/subversion, Sorry, no. /usr/bin is a flat structure. It does not contain subdirectories. What is the reason for this? I feel this specific case would be a sensible exception to the rule. Max.
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
Igor Pechtchanski wrote: You can then compile the subversion executables to look for DLLs in the above directory. Um, how? To the best of my knowledge the Windows dynamic loader does not have this level of sophistication. Max.
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
On Jul 7 14:42, Max Bowsher wrote: Igor Pechtchanski wrote: You can then compile the subversion executables to look for DLLs in the above directory. Um, how? To the best of my knowledge the Windows dynamic loader does not have this level of sophistication. That would probably require a wrapper script for each executable. I don't think it's worth that. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Co-Project Leader mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Red Hat, Inc.
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Max Bowsher wrote: Igor Pechtchanski wrote: You can then compile the subversion executables to look for DLLs in the above directory. Um, how? To the best of my knowledge the Windows dynamic loader does not have this level of sophistication. Max. Well, by default it doesn't. However, using LoadLibraryEx and the LOAD_WITH_ALTERED_SEARCH_PATH flag, you can actually specify an exact path to the module. It might be more pain than it's worth, though, and I don't know of easier ways. Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route to the bathroom is a major career booster. -- Patrick Naughton
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
Igor Pechtchanski wrote: On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Max Bowsher wrote: Igor Pechtchanski wrote: You can then compile the subversion executables to look for DLLs in the above directory. Um, how? To the best of my knowledge the Windows dynamic loader does not have this level of sophistication. Max. Well, by default it doesn't. However, using LoadLibraryEx and the LOAD_WITH_ALTERED_SEARCH_PATH flag, you can actually specify an exact path to the module. It might be more pain than it's worth, though, and I don't know of easier ways. Not so helpful if you aren't even using LoadLibrary. Max.
[RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
$ zcat /etc/setup/subversion.lst.gz ... usr/bin/cygsvn_client-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_delta-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_diff-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_fs-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_ra-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_ra_dav-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_ra_local-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_ra_svn-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_repos-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_subr-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_wc-1-0.dll usr/bin/svn.exe usr/bin/svnadmin.exe usr/bin/svndumpfilter.exe usr/bin/svnlook.exe usr/bin/svnserve.exe usr/bin/svnversion.exe ... I propose to relocate all the above into a directory /usr/bin/subversion, and add symlinks to the executables in /usr/bin . The reason is: Suppose I wish to use some python bindings, built against a different version of the subversion libraries (installed in /usr/local), with the Cygwin system python in /usr/bin. *Whatever* I set PATH to, the subversion libraries from /usr/bin will be the ones loaded, because they are in the same directory as python.exe . By hiding these libraries in a subdirectory, and revealing the executables via symlinks, I ensure that Python bindings will load subversion libraries according to PATH, allowing users the flexibility to install a different subversion version. I hereby request comments/review of this packaging change proposal. Max.
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 02:08:55PM +0100, Max Bowsher wrote: $ zcat /etc/setup/subversion.lst.gz ... usr/bin/cygsvn_client-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_delta-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_diff-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_fs-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_ra-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_ra_dav-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_ra_local-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_ra_svn-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_repos-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_subr-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_wc-1-0.dll usr/bin/svn.exe usr/bin/svnadmin.exe usr/bin/svndumpfilter.exe usr/bin/svnlook.exe usr/bin/svnserve.exe usr/bin/svnversion.exe ... I propose to relocate all the above into a directory /usr/bin/subversion, Sorry, no. /usr/bin is a flat structure. It does not contain subdirectories. cgf
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
Christopher Faylor writes: Sorry, no. /usr/bin is a flat structure. It does not contain subdirectories. There are glui-examples ncurses-test-dll cgf Ciao Volker
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Max Bowsher wrote: $ zcat /etc/setup/subversion.lst.gz ... usr/bin/cygsvn_client-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_delta-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_diff-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_fs-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_ra-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_ra_dav-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_ra_local-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_ra_svn-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_repos-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_subr-1-0.dll usr/bin/cygsvn_wc-1-0.dll IMHO, these are the important ones... usr/bin/svn.exe usr/bin/svnadmin.exe usr/bin/svndumpfilter.exe usr/bin/svnlook.exe usr/bin/svnserve.exe usr/bin/svnversion.exe ... ...and these are irrelevant. I propose to relocate all the above into a directory /usr/bin/subversion, and add symlinks to the executables in /usr/bin . Why not use /usr/share/subversion, or even /opt/subversion, for the DLLs? You can then compile the subversion executables to look for DLLs in the above directory. I don't see a need to move the executables themselves. The reason is: Suppose I wish to use some python bindings, built against a different version of the subversion libraries (installed in /usr/local), with the Cygwin system python in /usr/bin. *Whatever* I set PATH to, the subversion libraries from /usr/bin will be the ones loaded, because they are in the same directory as python.exe . True. I'm just not sure I like the subdirectories in /usr/bin. By hiding these libraries in a subdirectory, and revealing the executables via symlinks, I ensure that Python bindings will load subversion libraries according to PATH, allowing users the flexibility to install a different subversion version. I hereby request comments/review of this packaging change proposal. Max. HTH, Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route to the bathroom is a major career booster. -- Patrick Naughton
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
Dr. Volker Zell wrote: Christopher Faylor writes: Sorry, no. /usr/bin is a flat structure. It does not contain subdirectories. There are glui-examples ncurses-test-dll I'll relocate ncurses-test-dll to /usr/lib/ncurses/test/ on the next release. (/usr/lib/ not /usr/share, because these are arch-specific binaries) -- Chuck
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 03:58:53PM +0200, Dr. Volker Zell wrote: Christopher Faylor writes: Sorry, no. /usr/bin is a flat structure. It does not contain subdirectories. There are glui-examples ncurses-test-dll So, crossing the street when it says Don't Walk is ok since you saw somebody do it just the other day? cgf
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 02:45:32PM -0400, Charles Wilson wrote: Dr. Volker Zell wrote: Christopher Faylor writes: Sorry, no. /usr/bin is a flat structure. It does not contain subdirectories. There are glui-examples ncurses-test-dll I'll relocate ncurses-test-dll to /usr/lib/ncurses/test/ on the next release. (/usr/lib/ not /usr/share, because these are arch-specific binaries) Thanks, Chuck. cgf
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 10:21:55AM -0400, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Max Bowsher wrote: I propose to relocate all the above into a directory /usr/bin/subversion, and add symlinks to the executables in /usr/bin . Why not use /usr/share/subversion, or even /opt/subversion, for the DLLs? You can then compile the subversion executables to look for DLLs in the above directory. I don't see a need to move the executables themselves. Architecture specific binaries should not be in /usr/share. cgf
Re: [RFC] Change to subversion package: Move /usr/bin/* - /usr/bin/subversion/* and add symlinks in /usr/bin
Christopher Faylor writes: So, crossing the street when it says Don't Walk is ok since you saw somebody do it just the other day? Well... cgf vz
RE: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH= /us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
I can say On the CD purchased from MicroCross there is no source code Nguyen -Original Message- From: Christopher Faylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Freitag, 5. Dezember 2003 19:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:57:22PM -0500, Jon A. Lambert wrote: Nguyen, Huu-Dung wrote: I encounter the problem while installing a tool running on Cygwin, that comes from MicroCross (www.microcross.com) XTools The tool installs all important things and the bash setup file to /usr/bin. Right. They are the ones creating a physical c:\cygwin\usr\bin directory because their installation mechanism is to Win(un)zip all the files. Their installation instructions also tell you to uninstall Cygwin and remove all the cygwin files and directories, and to remove all the registry entries for Cygwin Solutions, (which happen to include the mount points). Looks like their version of Cygwin is ancient, either 1.2 or 1.3.22. obligatory questionDoes MicroCross provide source code for the cygwin they provide?/obligatory question I'm sure this has come up before but I'd like to hear from anyone who has purchased something recently. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
Jon A. Lambert wrote on Thursday, December 04, 2003 7:03 PM: Nguyen, Huu-Dung wrote: Thank for the answers Can any gurus tell me what is the real use of /usr/bin as a mount point and /usr/bin as a physically existing directory in the Cygwin directory ? Sometime i am too much curious !? Nguyen I'm stumped as I can't think of any use. Why did you create the physical directory? It is the way mount works (in any Unix)! You can force a mount without a mount point, but ls the parent directory and you see why. The only question you could arise for Cygwin here is why they use a mount at all for /usr/bin, but that's in the FAQ although I suppose it is more for historical reasons and the (unnecessary) hassle that would arise separating these directories now. Regards, Jörg -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH= /us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
OK Now i understand a little bit (NOT 100%) the fine features of /usr/bin as mount point and as physicically existing directory. I encounter the problem while installing a tool running on Cygwin, that comes from MicroCross (www.microcross.com) XTools The tool installs all important things and the bash setup file to /usr/bin. In this case i can only rename my /usr/bin to some thing e.g. /usr/local/bin or the same. Regards nguyen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:59:15AM +0100, J?rg Schaible wrote: It is the way mount works (in any Unix)! You can force a mount without a mount point, but ls the parent directory and you see why. The only question you could arise for Cygwin here is why they use a mount at all for /usr/bin, but that's in the FAQ although I suppose it is more for historical reasons and the (unnecessary) hassle that would arise separating these directories now. Nah. It's just because we are so frigging mean. WASFM cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH= /us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:45:43PM +0100, Nguyen, Huu-Dung wrote: Now i understand a little bit (NOT 100%) the fine features of /usr/bin as mount point and as physicically existing directory. I encounter the problem while installing a tool running on Cygwin, that comes from MicroCross (www.microcross.com) XTools The tool installs all important things and the bash setup file to /usr/bin. Then contact MicroCross. This is not a MicroCross support forum. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
Christopher Faylor wrote on Friday, December 05, 2003 3:23 PM: Nah. It's just because we are so frigging mean. Walking on the edge for so many years now g WASFM Igor, wtf cannot translate ... :) -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
Jörg Schaible wrote: Jon A. Lambert wrote on Thursday, December 04, 2003 7:03 PM: Nguyen, Huu-Dung wrote: Thank for the answers Can any gurus tell me what is the real use of /usr/bin as a mount point and /usr/bin as a physically existing directory in the Cygwin directory ? Sometime i am too much curious !? Nguyen I'm stumped as I can't think of any use. Why did you create the physical directory? It is the way mount works (in any Unix)! You can force a mount without a mount point, but ls the parent directory and you see why. The only question you could arise for Cygwin here is why they use a mount at all for /usr/bin, but that's in the FAQ although I suppose it is more for historical reasons and the (unnecessary) hassle that would arise separating these directories now. And all this time I've been running cygwin with no physical c:\cygwin\usr\bin directory. Maybe I should open up a DOS window and create it. No I don't think I will. I think the mount of C:/cygwin/bin /usr/bin is sufficient. -- J. Lambert -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jörg Schaible wrote: Christopher Faylor wrote on Friday, December 05, 2003 3:23 PM: Nah. It's just because we are so frigging mean. Walking on the edge for so many years now g You mean teetering on the edge, don't you? ;-) WASFM Igor, wtf cannot translate ... :) Jörg, wtf is just a dumb program -- you can't expect it to unveil the meaning of newly-invented acronyms on its own. The OLOCA has it, though: http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#WASFM. FWIW, wtf will have it on the next package update (as usual). Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route to the bathroom is a major career booster. -- Patrick Naughton -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
Nguyen, Huu-Dung wrote: I encounter the problem while installing a tool running on Cygwin, that comes from MicroCross (www.microcross.com) XTools The tool installs all important things and the bash setup file to /usr/bin. Right. They are the ones creating a physical c:\cygwin\usr\bin directory because their installation mechanism is to Win(un)zip all the files. Their installation instructions also tell you to uninstall Cygwin and remove all the cygwin files and directories, and to remove all the registry entries for Cygwin Solutions, (which happen to include the mount points). Looks like their version of Cygwin is ancient, either 1.2 or 1.3.22. -- J. Lambert -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:57:22PM -0500, Jon A. Lambert wrote: Nguyen, Huu-Dung wrote: I encounter the problem while installing a tool running on Cygwin, that comes from MicroCross (www.microcross.com) XTools The tool installs all important things and the bash setup file to /usr/bin. Right. They are the ones creating a physical c:\cygwin\usr\bin directory because their installation mechanism is to Win(un)zip all the files. Their installation instructions also tell you to uninstall Cygwin and remove all the cygwin files and directories, and to remove all the registry entries for Cygwin Solutions, (which happen to include the mount points). Looks like their version of Cygwin is ancient, either 1.2 or 1.3.22. obligatory questionDoes MicroCross provide source code for the cygwin they provide?/obligatory question I'm sure this has come up before but I'd like to hear from anyone who has purchased something recently. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
Christopher Faylor wrote: obligatory questionDoes MicroCross provide source code for the cygwin they provide?/obligatory question I'm sure this has come up before but I'd like to hear from anyone who has purchased something recently. http://www.microcross.com/html/copying_rights.html Microcross provides customers source code along with distributions that it sells with no copy/duplication restrictions as required by the Free Software Foundation and the General Public License (GPL). -- J. Lambert -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:06:40PM -0500, Jon A. Lambert wrote: Christopher Faylor wrote: obligatory questionDoes MicroCross provide source code for the cygwin they provide?/obligatory question I'm sure this has come up before but I'd like to hear from anyone who has purchased something recently. http://www.microcross.com/html/copying_rights.html Microcross provides customers source code along with distributions that it sells with no copy/duplication restrictions as required by the Free Software Foundation and the General Public License (GPL). Yes, I saw that, too. I'd like actual confirmation however. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH= /us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
Thank for the answers Can any gurus tell me what is the real use of /usr/bin as a mount point and /usr/bin as a physically existing directory in the Cygwin directory ? Sometime i am too much curious !? Nguyen -Original Message- From: Ronald Landheer-Cieslak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 3. Dezember 2003 13:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 10:43:23AM +0100, Nguyen, Huu-Dung wrote: Please help me to understand Cygwin because i am an unexperienced user of CygWin I want to start some bash files or *.exe under /usr/bin so i have set in my profile file ... PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH ... and put my bash files or *.exe under /usr/bin but i can not start them from anywhere in the Cygwin session. Did you perchange put your files in c:\cygwin\usr\bin ? (assuming you installed in c:\cygwin) If so, you should know that the c:\cygwin\bin directory is mounted to /usr/bin, which makes the contents of c:\cygwin\usr\bin invisible from within the Cygwin environment. This is by design. Move the files to c:\cygwin\bin and you should be OK. Note that in all this, I assume you've installed Cygwin's root in c:\cygwin. If it's in q:\tralala (which is possible, of course) replace every instance of c:\cygwin above with q:\tralala. Why and what can i do to start them from anywhere in the Cygwin session ? If the above doesn't help, look at http://cygwin.com/problems.html to know how to give us more information about you problem :) HTH rlc -- Fraud is the homage that force pays to reason. -- Charles Curtis, A Commonplace Book -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
Nguyen, Huu-Dung wrote: Thank for the answers Can any gurus tell me what is the real use of /usr/bin as a mount point and /usr/bin as a physically existing directory in the Cygwin directory ? Sometime i am too much curious !? Nguyen I'm stumped as I can't think of any use. Why did you create the physical directory? -- J. Lambert -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH= /us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
You're not curious enough. This is UNIX semantics and functionality. However, with UNIX, there is no way to access the contents of the actual /usr/bin directory once it's mounted. On Windows, there are ways (i.e. through Windows, etc). If you always access /usr/bin with Cygwin tools, then you'll have no problem. If you put something in the Windows directory which is the equivalent of /usr/bin under the Cygwin environment, you won't be able to access those files with Cygwin. It's UNIX mount semantics, that's all. There are ways around this issue but it's easier if you just live with it and move on, unless you have a pressing need to do otherwise. Larry At 02:56 AM 12/4/2003, Nguyen, Huu-Dung you wrote: Thank for the answers Can any gurus tell me what is the real use of /usr/bin as a mount point and /usr/bin as a physically existing directory in the Cygwin directory ? Sometime i am too much curious !? Nguyen -Original Message- From: Ronald Landheer-Cieslak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 3. Dezember 2003 13:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 10:43:23AM +0100, Nguyen, Huu-Dung wrote: Please help me to understand Cygwin because i am an unexperienced user of CygWin I want to start some bash files or *.exe under /usr/bin so i have set in my profile file ... PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH ... and put my bash files or *.exe under /usr/bin but i can not start them from anywhere in the Cygwin session. Did you perchange put your files in c:\cygwin\usr\bin ? (assuming you installed in c:\cygwin) If so, you should know that the c:\cygwin\bin directory is mounted to /usr/bin, which makes the contents of c:\cygwin\usr\bin invisible from within the Cygwin environment. This is by design. Move the files to c:\cygwin\bin and you should be OK. Note that in all this, I assume you've installed Cygwin's root in c:\cygwin. If it's in q:\tralala (which is possible, of course) replace every instance of c:\cygwin above with q:\tralala. Why and what can i do to start them from anywhere in the Cygwin session ? If the above doesn't help, look at http://cygwin.com/problems.html to know how to give us more information about you problem :) HTH rlc -- Fraud is the homage that force pays to reason. -- Charles Curtis, A Commonplace Book -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jon A. Lambert wrote: Nguyen, Huu-Dung wrote: Thank for the answers Can any gurus tell me what is the real use of /usr/bin as a mount point and /usr/bin as a physically existing directory in the Cygwin directory ? Sometime i am too much curious !? Nguyen I'm stumped as I can't think of any use. Why did you create the physical directory? -- J. Lambert Same reason as having c:\cygwin\dev, c:\cygwin\cygdrive, and c:\cygwin\proc -- Tab completion. ;-) Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route to the bathroom is a major career booster. -- Patrick Naughton -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
Hello friends Please help me to understand Cygwin because i am an unexperienced user of CygWin I want to start some bash files or *.exe under /usr/bin so i have set in my profile file ... PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH ... and put my bash files or *.exe under /usr/bin but i can not start them from anywhere in the Cygwin session. Why and what can i do to start them from anywhere in the Cygwin session ? Regards Huu Dung Nguyen -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
Hello Huh-Dung, Nguyen, Huu-Dung wrote on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:43 AM: Please help me to understand Cygwin because i am an unexperienced user of CygWin I want to start some bash files or *.exe under /usr/bin so i have set in my profile file ... PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH ... and put my bash files or *.exe under /usr/bin but i can not start them from anywhere in the Cygwin session. Why and what can i do to start them from anywhere in the Cygwin session ? as explained before /usr/bin is a mount point to /bin and therefroe nothing physically located in /usr/bin will be found. This behaviour for mount point is *normal* in any Unix. This mount point is standard for Cygwin as explained in the FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_4.html#SEC61 Regards, Jörg -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: How to execute bash file under /usr/bin despite setting PATH=/us r/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 10:43:23AM +0100, Nguyen, Huu-Dung wrote: Please help me to understand Cygwin because i am an unexperienced user of CygWin I want to start some bash files or *.exe under /usr/bin so i have set in my profile file ... PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH ... and put my bash files or *.exe under /usr/bin but i can not start them from anywhere in the Cygwin session. Did you perchange put your files in c:\cygwin\usr\bin ? (assuming you installed in c:\cygwin) If so, you should know that the c:\cygwin\bin directory is mounted to /usr/bin, which makes the contents of c:\cygwin\usr\bin invisible from within the Cygwin environment. This is by design. Move the files to c:\cygwin\bin and you should be OK. Note that in all this, I assume you've installed Cygwin's root in c:\cygwin. If it's in q:\tralala (which is possible, of course) replace every instance of c:\cygwin above with q:\tralala. Why and what can i do to start them from anywhere in the Cygwin session ? If the above doesn't help, look at http://cygwin.com/problems.html to know how to give us more information about you problem :) HTH rlc -- Fraud is the homage that force pays to reason. -- Charles Curtis, A Commonplace Book -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
