Re: Cygwin official logo ?
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Gerald S. Williams wrote: [snip] If cgf wants an otter, we should be looking into how to get a good drawing of one. Preferably a mean one, I guess. :-) I suppose we can give it sunglasses at least. Or have it smashing through a window carrying twin machine-guns. :-) :-) Hmmm, I have a feeling I'm opening a whole new can of worms by returning to this old discussion, but I bought this really cool-looking stone figurine of an otter recently. I've found a site that sells them on the internet, just so people have an idea of what it looks like: http://www.funcollections.com/second/otters.html (for the record, I have the one called Oprah; it looks much cuter in person :-D). Now the question I have is simple: I know the otter itself is copyrighted artwork, but what about the photographs? Does the copyright belong to the artist, or to whomever took the photograph? In other words, if I snapped a picture of that otter, could we use it? Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! Oh, boy, virtual memory! Now I'm gonna make myself a really *big* RAMdisk! -- /usr/games/fortune -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin official logo ?
Igor Pechtchanski wrote: On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Peter A. Castro wrote: On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Elfyn McBratney wrote: I think the linux pengu should stay with them. I do like the idea for a koala. Is anyone a good drawer? For what it's worth, the Koala is on a few O'Reilly books (HTML related books). Rats, all the good ones are taken (tm)! Hey Rats! Maybe he's onto somthing here, I haven't seen on O'Reilly book with a rat on the front :-) Igor Elfyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about a penguin looking through a window? The penguin is from http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ which says Permission to use and/or modify this image is granted provided you acknowledge me [EMAIL PROTECTED] and The GIMP if someone asks. I made the window. Since the MS logo has curvy windows with trailing pixels, I wouldn't think that there would be any trademark infringement because there is no chance that one could confuse the two. - Barry Buchbinder -Original Message- From: Corinna Vinschen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:40 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin official logo ? On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:26:21AM +, Yann Crausaz wrote: Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Corinna -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! Water molecules expand as they grow warmer (C) Popular Science, Oct'02, p.51 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin official logo ?
Hi, Reading a certain recent whiny post about not getting help, it occurred to me what the Cygwin mascot's name must be: The Cygwin Meany The only problem I can see is that no one thinks of otter's as mean, so perhaps one of it's relatives. According to the phylogenetic structure sent by Charles Wilson, otters are weasels, so perhaps that would work. But given the opportunity at hand, I must again suggest the badger, my alma mater's mascot. According to Chuck's phylogeny, it's a close relative of the otter. And much more likely to win when taking on a big monster... Randall -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin official logo ?
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Robert White wrote: Igor Pechtchanski wrote: On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Peter A. Castro wrote: On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Elfyn McBratney wrote: I think the linux pengu should stay with them. I do like the idea for a koala. Is anyone a good drawer? For what it's worth, the Koala is on a few O'Reilly books (HTML related books). Rats, all the good ones are taken (tm)! Igor Hey Rats! Maybe he's onto somthing here, I haven't seen on O'Reilly book with a rat on the front :-) Hey, someone caught on to my thinking... ;-) Not that I have anything against otters. If you want more animals that never made it onto an O'Reilly book, how about a chinchilla? Warm and furry, like the otter. Some intersection here with the Chinchilla project, though... Igor Elfyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about a penguin looking through a window? The penguin is from http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ which says Permission to use and/or modify this image is granted provided you acknowledge me [EMAIL PROTECTED] and The GIMP if someone asks. I made the window. Since the MS logo has curvy windows with trailing pixels, I wouldn't think that there would be any trademark infringement because there is no chance that one could confuse the two. - Barry Buchbinder -Original Message- From: Corinna Vinschen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:40 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin official logo ? On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:26:21AM +, Yann Crausaz wrote: Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Corinna -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! Water molecules expand as they grow warmer (C) Popular Science, Oct'02, p.51 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin official logo ?
How about the platypus? I know that Slackware used to use it before, but I don't know if it was trademarked? I remember buying a Walnut Creek slack distro back in '97 that featured the platypus logo. Looked pretty cool, too. Platypi are utterly unique, and I don't recall ever seeing an O'Reilly book with one on the cover! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/03/02 10:51AM On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Robert White wrote: Igor Pechtchanski wrote: On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Peter A. Castro wrote: On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Elfyn McBratney wrote: I think the linux pengu should stay with them. I do like the idea for a koala. Is anyone a good drawer? For what it's worth, the Koala is on a few O'Reilly books (HTML related books). Rats, all the good ones are taken (tm)! Igor Hey Rats! Maybe he's onto somthing here, I haven't seen on O'Reilly book with a rat on the front :-) Hey, someone caught on to my thinking... ;-) Not that I have anything against otters. If you want more animals that never made it onto an O'Reilly book, how about a chinchilla? Warm and furry, like the otter. Some intersection here with the Chinchilla project, though... Igor Elfyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about a penguin looking through a window? The penguin is from http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ which says Permission to use and/or modify this image is granted provided you acknowledge me [EMAIL PROTECTED] and The GIMP if someone asks. I made the window. Since the MS logo has curvy windows with trailing pixels, I wouldn't think that there would be any trademark infringement because there is no chance that one could confuse the two. - Barry Buchbinder -Original Message- From: Corinna Vinschen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:40 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin official logo ? On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:26:21AM +, Yann Crausaz wrote: Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Corinna -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! Water molecules expand as they grow warmer (C) Popular Science, Oct'02, p.51 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin official logo ?
How about a wolverine (sp?). Randall R Schulz wrote: Hi, Reading a certain recent whiny post about not getting help, it occurred to me what the Cygwin mascot's name must be: The Cygwin Meany The only problem I can see is that no one thinks of otter's as mean, so perhaps one of it's relatives. According to the phylogenetic structure sent by Charles Wilson, otters are weasels, so perhaps that would work. But given the opportunity at hand, I must again suggest the badger, my alma mater's mascot. According to Chuck's phylogeny, it's a close relative of the otter. And much more likely to win when taking on a big monster... Randall -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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Unless someone at least has some artwork to show, why are we still discussing alternative animals? I could give more reasons to choose a cygnet, but why waste the time? If cgf wants an otter, we should be looking into how to get a good drawing of one. Preferably a mean one, I guess. :-) I suppose we can give it sunglasses at least. Or have it smashing through a window carrying twin machine-guns. :-) :-) So what type of drawing are we looking for? And how small does it need to scale? For an icon you probably aren't going to get more than the head (especially if it's the larger sea otter). -Jerry -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: cygwin official logo ?
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 12:32:46PM -0500, Chris Faylor wrote: If there is going to be an animal mascot for cygwin it should be an otter. That's ok with me but my intend is to find a neat animal (there are lots of them besides otters and koalas) which isn't already on an O'Reilley book. I thought koalas aren't. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Developermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Red Hat, Inc. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: cygwin official logo ?
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 12:32:46PM -0500, Chris Faylor wrote: If there is going to be an animal mascot for cygwin it should be an otter. That's ok with me but my intend is to find a neat animal (there are lots of them besides otters and koalas) which isn't already on an O'Reilley book. I thought koalas aren't. How about a jackalope :) Corinna -- Peter A. Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cats are just autistic Dogs -- Dr. Tony Attwood -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: cygwin official logo ?
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:55:37AM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 12:32:46PM -0500, Chris Faylor wrote: If there is going to be an animal mascot for cygwin it should be an otter. That's ok with me but my intend is to find a neat animal (there are lots of them besides otters and koalas) which isn't already on an O'Reilley book. I thought koalas aren't. I don't know what O'Reilley has to do with anything. We can use whatever we want. Ya know, I don't recall anyone saying Oh no, Linus, a penguin is a bad idea! when he said he liked penguins... cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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Corinna Vinschen wrote: That's ok with me but my intend is to find a neat animal (there are lots of them besides otters and koalas) What about a stitch? In the movie they say it looks like a koala and I'm sure O'Reilly didn't use it on their books. :) Jehan -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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Christopher Faylor wrote: Please grant me this one conceit. Linus likes penguins. I like otters. If there is going to be an animal mascot for cygwin it should be an otter. Bummer, I was going to suggest a baby swan (i.e., a cygnet). So, will it be a river otter or a sea otter? -Jerry -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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Jehan wrote: Corinna Vinschen wrote: That's ok with me but my intend is to find a neat animal (there are lots of them besides otters and koalas) What about a stitch? In the movie they say it looks like a koala and I'm sure O'Reilly didn't use it on their books. :) Yeah, that's a good idea. Let's infringe on a Disney copyright. They don't usually mind that sort of thing, do they? Geez, what's wrong with otters? It doesn't matter if O'Reilly has used various otters on a collection of [Java|HTML|???] books -- as long as we're not copying THEIR otter design. (Because they've used it on books covering a range of subjects, there's no brand identity like camel == Perl) Besides, give O'Reilly another few years, and they will run out of mammals and start using insects...or plants. The only company that uses an animal mascot, and that believes that ONLY they are allowed to use ANY representation of that species as a mascot regardless of similarity to their own version, is...oh yeah, Disney... What was that about 'stitch'? Otters are cute and playful, and surely cgf deserves a say in this given his steerage of the project. Should he start talking about sprinking holy otter pee on the codebase prior to each kernel release, like Linus does, just to push otters into the zeitgeist? (mebbe not. otter pee doesn't have quite the same alliterative punch as penguin pee) 'Course, it's all moot until somebody with artistic talent (e.g. not me) actually draws something... P.S. anybody remember the oil-slicked otter that Berke Breathed drew in Bloom County? He was a spokesman for Exxon after the Valdez incident in the 80's...shunned as a sell-out by the other members of the cast... -- Chuck -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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Don't even think about it. It's under Disney copyright, and the word agressive doesn't come close to describing how Disney protects their copyrights. - Barry -Original Message- From: Jehan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 11:35 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: cygwin official logo ? Corinna Vinschen wrote: That's ok with me but my intend is to find a neat animal (there are lots of them besides otters and koalas) What about a stitch? In the movie they say it looks like a koala and I'm sure O'Reilly didn't use it on their books. :) Jehan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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Charles Wilson wrote: Yeah, that's a good idea. Let's infringe on a Disney copyright. They don't usually mind that sort of thing, do they? [...] What was that about 'stitch'? Sorry, sorry, I was just kidding. I always found the girl in the movie had a funny of saying I think it's a koala. Seeing the word here just reminded me of it. Maybe I should have use a ;) instead of :). Otherwise, I have nothing against the otters. Actually I find the koala a little too lazy to be a good mascoot (but Stitch isn't by the way... no, please, don't hit me me, I was kidding again). If anyone wants my opinion, I would select an animal that has a meaning to cygwin more than its cuteness, like Gerald's cygnet, or the enigneer's mascott the beaver. Otters are fine there too since they do use tools (for those who don't know, they use rocke as a hammer with their belly as an anvil and shells in between) Jehan -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: cygwin official logo ?
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Charles Wilson wrote: Please grant me this one conceit. Linus likes penguins. I like otters. Me too. If there is going to be an animal mascot for cygwin it should be an otter. Figured those FurryMuck people might be able to help -- they like to draw cartoon animals. How about contacting this guy: http://www.tigress.com/lutra/art/images/bw/ltoyster.gif http://www.tigress.com/lutra/english/commissions.htm This guy's furry persona (not sure of the terminology of this subculture) is an otter, so most of his art is otter-ish. The furry subculture has been around for many years. I remember seeing people dressed in various half-man half-other at TimeCon(tm) back in the mid 70s. Furry can best described as a mutation between human and anything else. I recall it first started with animals which had fur (tigers, lions, cats, etc), hence the name furry, but later branched out to other types of animals (sometime even alien). Many people choose an animal that they best identify with and create a persona based on that animal. There are even conventions devoted to Furry Folk (ConFURance is a popular one). Anyway, since he is an artist (and his work seems pretty good) and he does otters, it might be worth a few bucks to have him create something for Cygwin. [snip] Otter info (for the truly obsessed; e.g. cgf g ). Ya know, it's really scary the sort of stuff that fills your bookshelf/bookmarks when you're an engineer (e.g. detail oriented and trivia obsessed) and many of your friends, coworkers, and their spouses are biologists, animal behaviorists, or medical types. Sometimes I scare me. Or maybe it's just that I was reading Ranger Rick magazine and collecting World Wildlife Fund Animal Cards when my kindergarten playmates were into Highlights. I still scare me. And you scare us too, Charles (just kidding :) [interesting classification information deleted] --Chuck -- Peter A. Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cats are just autistic Dogs -- Dr. Tony Attwood -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin official logo ?
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:26:21AM +, Yann Crausaz wrote: Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Developermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Red Hat, Inc. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin official logo ?
How about a penguin looking through a window? The penguin is from http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ which says Permission to use and/or modify this image is granted provided you acknowledge me [EMAIL PROTECTED] and The GIMP if someone asks. I made the window. Since the MS logo has curvy windows with trailing pixels, I wouldn't think that there would be any trademark infringement because there is no chance that one could confuse the two. - Barry Buchbinder -Original Message- From: Corinna Vinschen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:40 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin official logo ? On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:26:21AM +, Yann Crausaz wrote: Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Corinna __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com inline: cygwin.gif-- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Cygwin official logo ?
You got my vote. -Original Message- From: Barry Buchbinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin official logo ? How about a penguin looking through a window? The penguin is from http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ which says Permission to use and/or modify this image is granted provided you acknowledge me [EMAIL PROTECTED] and The GIMP if someone asks. I made the window. Since the MS logo has curvy windows with trailing pixels, I wouldn't think that there would be any trademark infringement because there is no chance that one could confuse the two. - Barry Buchbinder -Original Message- From: Corinna Vinschen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:40 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin official logo ? On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:26:21AM +, Yann Crausaz wrote: Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Corinna __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Cygwin official logo ?
If we're getting in to a discussion here i'd vote for a Badger, no good reason but I'm sure I could think of one if you want ;) I'm not sure on having a penguin as Cygwin is not Linux. -Original Message- From: Barry Buchbinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 November 2002 14:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin official logo ? How about a penguin looking through a window? The penguin is from http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ which says Permission to use and/or modify this image is granted provided you acknowledge me [EMAIL PROTECTED] and The GIMP if someone asks. I made the window. Since the MS logo has curvy windows with trailing pixels, I wouldn't think that there would be any trademark infringement because there is no chance that one could confuse the two. - Barry Buchbinder -Original Message- From: Corinna Vinschen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:40 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin official logo ? On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:26:21AM +, Yann Crausaz wrote: Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Corinna __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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Hi! Friday, 29 November, 2002 Barry Buchbinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BB How about a penguin looking through a window? It'd be clearly misleading. Cygwin is not Linux for Windows. We have enough confusion already with people thinking otherwise. Egor.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 5165414 FidoNet 2:5020/496.19 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Cygwin official logo ?
I think the linux pengu should stay with them. I do like the idea for a koala. Is anyone a good drawer? Elfyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about a penguin looking through a window? The penguin is from http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ which says Permission to use and/or modify this image is granted provided you acknowledge me [EMAIL PROTECTED] and The GIMP if someone asks. I made the window. Since the MS logo has curvy windows with trailing pixels, I wouldn't think that there would be any trademark infringement because there is no chance that one could confuse the two. - Barry Buchbinder -Original Message- From: Corinna Vinschen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:40 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin official logo ? On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:26:21AM +, Yann Crausaz wrote: Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Corinna __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com cygwin.gif -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Cygwin official logo ?
-Original Message- From: egor duda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 9:59 AM To: Barry Buchbinder Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin official logo ? BB How about a penguin looking through a window? It'd be clearly misleading. Cygwin is not Linux for Windows. We have enough confusion already with people thinking otherwise. That is true, but Cygwin does make it easier to compile Linux programs under windows. (maybe replace Linux with POSIX, but the most popular POSIX OS in Linux) [maybe replace popular with well known] -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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Hi! Friday, 29 November, 2002 Rolf Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: egor duda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 9:59 AM To: Barry Buchbinder Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin official logo ? BB How about a penguin looking through a window? It'd be clearly misleading. Cygwin is not Linux for Windows. We have enough confusion already with people thinking otherwise. RC That is true, but Cygwin does make it easier to compile Linux programs RC under windows. (maybe replace Linux with POSIX, but the most RC popular POSIX OS in Linux) [maybe replace popular with well known] And explosives do make it easier to do mining. Does it mean that miner's emblem should be a dynamite with a burning fuse? _We_ know that cygwin just makes it easier to port unix programs to windows. But people who are just curious about what the heck this cygwin thingie is? will see the logo and get the impression that it just some kind of linux to be run on windows. Egor.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 5165414 FidoNet 2:5020/496.19 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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OK. Then how about a swan? A swan and a gnu? A swan and a gnu being viewed through a window? (GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin) -Original Message- From: egor duda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 9:59 am Subject: Re: Cygwin official logo ? Hi! Friday, 29 November, 2002 Barry Buchbinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BB How about a penguin looking through a window? It'd be clearly misleading. Cygwin is not Linux for Windows. We have enough confusion already with people thinking otherwise. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 03:58:53PM -, Chris January wrote: I think the linux pengu should stay with them. I do like the idea for a koala. Is anyone a good drawer? I'm working on a koala design right now - let's me avoid proper work... :-) Wait, wait! I didn't told you about the problem... It should have a specific width to hight to match the setup area reserved for that picture. I don't know the size offhanded. Robert? Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Developermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Red Hat, Inc. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 05:58:53PM +0300, Egor Duda wrote: Hi! Friday, 29 November, 2002 Barry Buchbinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BB How about a penguin looking through a window? It'd be clearly misleading. Cygwin is not Linux for Windows. We have enough confusion already with people thinking otherwise. While I like the picture itself, I agree with Egor here. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Developermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Red Hat, Inc. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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I think the linux pengu should stay with them. I do like the idea for a koala. Is anyone a good drawer? I'm working on a koala design right now - let's me avoid proper work... :-) Wait, wait! I didn't told you about the problem... It should have a specific width to hight to match the setup area reserved for that picture. I don't know the size offhanded. Robert? Oh - this is an actual thing that needs doing? I was only messing around with stuff. Well I'll finish what I'm doing. If anyone's interested in it I can rework it for the setup program or whatever. I doubt it will be of much use though. Chris -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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Yeah! F*ck 'em Bucky! Randall Schulz Born in Milwaukee, educated in Madison, exiled to California At 06:53 2002-11-29, Vince Hoffman wrote: If we're getting in to a discussion here i'd vote for a Badger, no good reason but I'm sure I could think of one if you want ;) I'm not sure on having a penguin as Cygwin is not Linux. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:39:39PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:26:21AM +, Yann Crausaz wrote: Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Please grant me this one conceit. Linus likes penguins. I like otters. If there is going to be an animal mascot for cygwin it should be an otter. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: [list] Re: cygwin official logo ?
Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Please grant me this one conceit. Linus likes penguins. I like otters. If there is going to be an animal mascot for cygwin it should be an otter. cgf I made a koala logo (http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~ccj00/twiki/bin/view/Cygwin/CygwinKoala). I could avoid more work knocking up an otter logo, but I really think I should get some done :-) Chris -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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An otter sounds nice. Could it at least be an otter sitting on Bill Gates face? Joking aside, I have an clear photo of an otter, if anyone wants to use it to develop a logo. It was taken by me so there is no copyright infingements. On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:39:39PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:26:21AM +, Yann Crausaz wrote: Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Please grant me this one conceit. Linus likes penguins. I like otters. If there is going to be an animal mascot for cygwin it should be an otter. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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Otters are great! O'reilly definitely likes them http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/javanp2/index.html http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlsysadm/colophon.html http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/wdnut2/colophon.html http://perl.oreilly.com/usage/ Doug On 29 Nov 2002 at 12:32, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:39:39PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:26:21AM +, Yann Crausaz wrote: Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Please grant me this one conceit. Linus likes penguins. I like otters. If there is going to be an animal mascot for cygwin it should be an otter. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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I made a koala logo (http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~ccj00/twiki/bin/view/Cygwin/CygwinKoala). I could avoid more work knocking up an otter logo, but I really think I should get some done :-) Whoah! Who's he gonna poke with that giant staple! ;-) -- Gary R. Van Sickle Brewer. Patriot. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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Please grant me this one conceit. Linus likes penguins. I like otters. If there is going to be an animal mascot for cygwin it should be an otter. cgf [kidding] So what? I like Cornish Rex cats better ]=) Oh? You're cgf and I'm just the rsync port mantainer? Ohh, I guess that changes things 0=) [/kidding] -- Lapo 'Raist' Luchini [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PGP X.509 keys available) http://www.lapo.it (ICQ UIN: 529796) -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Elfyn McBratney wrote: I think the linux pengu should stay with them. I do like the idea for a koala. Is anyone a good drawer? For what it's worth, the Koala is on a few O'Reilly books (HTML related books). Elfyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about a penguin looking through a window? The penguin is from http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/ which says Permission to use and/or modify this image is granted provided you acknowledge me [EMAIL PROTECTED] and The GIMP if someone asks. I made the window. Since the MS logo has curvy windows with trailing pixels, I wouldn't think that there would be any trademark infringement because there is no chance that one could confuse the two. - Barry Buchbinder -Original Message- From: Corinna Vinschen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:40 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cygwin official logo ? On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:26:21AM +, Yann Crausaz wrote: Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Corinna __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com cygwin.gif -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Peter A. Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cats are just autistic Dogs -- Dr. Tony Attwood -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:39:39PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:26:21AM +, Yann Crausaz wrote: Hello, As an illustration for a paper I'm writing about Cygwin, I'm looking for THE official Cygwin logo. I guess that this official logo isn't the GNU + Cygnus + Windows = Cygwin standing on the homepage (www.cygwin.com), and not even the black C above the Install Cygwin Now link... Where could I find it ? Actually there is no official logo besides what you've already seen. Months ago we discussed an animal logo like other OSS project have and one idea was an otter. A koala would be funny, too. The idea failed so far mainly due to the inability to find a good, copyright-free drawing of such an animal. Please grant me this one conceit. Linus likes penguins. I like otters. If there is going to be an animal mascot for cygwin it should be an otter. If it makes any difference, the otter is used on the cover of several O'Reilly books (Java Net Prog, Perl for Sys Admin, Web Design in a Nutshell). Not that I have anything against Otters, mind you. The picture in Web Design in a Nutshell looks pretty neat. With a little fiddling to make it more simplistic/stylized, it'd render as a small image fairly well. Or perhaps the profile of Perl for Sys Admin would be better? cgf -- Peter A. Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cats are just autistic Dogs -- Dr. Tony Attwood -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
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Please grant me this one conceit. Linus likes penguins. I like otters. Me too. If there is going to be an animal mascot for cygwin it should be an otter. Figured those FurryMuck people might be able to help -- they like to draw cartoon animals. How about contacting this guy: http://www.tigress.com/lutra/art/images/bw/ltoyster.gif http://www.tigress.com/lutra/english/commissions.htm This guy's furry persona (not sure of the terminology of this subculture) is an otter, so most of his art is otter-ish. (FYI lutra or lutrinae is the name of the otter subfamily) --- which explains this guy's FurryMuck character name. From his website: So you are interested in a picture ? I`ll see what I can do but first some information about my commissions: What I do exactly: I mainly draw anthropomorphic characters which means a creature part human and part animal. This type of art is called furry art or as I said before anthropomorphic art. I am specialized on drawing otters. Although I can do other type of character too as you can see below. So if you still interested in a picture read on further. Otter info (for the truly obsessed; e.g. cgf g ). Ya know, it's really scary the sort of stuff that fills your bookshelf/bookmarks when you're an engineer (e.g. detail oriented and trivia obsessed) and many of your friends, coworkers, and their spouses are biologists, animal behaviorists, or medical types. Sometimes I scare me. Or maybe it's just that I was reading Ranger Rick magazine and collecting World Wildlife Fund Animal Cards when my kindergarten playmates were into Highlights. I still scare me. Domain: Eukarya Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Subphylum: Vertebrata Class: Mammalia Order: Carnivora Suborder: Fissipedia Superfamily: Arctoidea Family: Mustelidae (Weasel) Subfamily Mustelinae: martens, weasels, wolverines, ferrets, polecats and minks Subfamily Melinae: badgers Subfamily Mellivorinae: honey badger Subfamily Taxidiinae: American badger (sometimes listed as a genus within the Melinae subfamily) Subfamily Mephitinae: skunks (since 1997, now listed as a completely separate family - http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustelidae) Subfamily Lutrinae: otters 13 otter species, listed here: http://otternet.com/species/ http://sciencebulletins.amnh.org/biobulletin/biobulletin/story832.html However, otter classification -- and even naming -- is not straightforward, and depends on whether you use mitochondrial RNA classification, or include the subgenus name instead of the genus name, or use the subspecies name instead of the species name (or both!). Generally, the following is more-or-less accepted (circa 2001). Alternative names that are in widespread use -- or which were common prior to 199x and still show up in webpages and textbooks -- are listed below each one. * Aonyx capensis (Cape Clawless otter) Paraonyx congica Paraonyx microdon Paraonyx philippsi * Aonyx congicus (Congo Clawless otter) * Aonyx cinerea (Oriental Small-Clawed otter) Amblonyx cinerea Micraonyx cinerea * Enhydra lutris (sea otter) * Lutra canadensis (North American River otter) Lontra canadensis Barangia sumatrana (later split into its own species) * Lutra felina (Marine otter, or sea cat) Lontra felina * Lutra longicaudis (Neotropical otter, Southern River otter, La Plata otter, Brasilian otter) Lontra longicaudis L. platenisis * Lutra lutra (Eurasian otter) Lutra vulgaris Lutra whitleyi * Lutra maculicallis (spotted-necked otter) Hydricits maculicallis * Lutra perspicallata (India Smooth-Coated otter or Smooth otter) Lutrogale perspicillata Lutra tarayensis * Lutra provocax (Southern River otter or Chilean otter) Lontra provocax * Lutra sumatrana (Hairy-nosed otter or Sumatran otter) Barangia sumatrana * Pteronura brasiliensis (Giant otter) Lutra Brasiliensis Other fun otter links List o' links: http://www.animalomnibus.com/weasel.htm (yes, really) Lutra.net: http://hometown.aol.com/OtterFreak/otter.html http://www.geobop.com/Mammals/Carnivora/Mustelidae/ http://www.geobop.com/Mammals/Carnivora/Mustelidae/2.htm --Chuck -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
